So now instead of your salary being a multiple of 4 beneath the poverty line it's only 3!!!!
Isn't that great???? Now all you'll need to do is find the stamina and will power to work 16 hours a day and 6 days a week to afford to live behind someone's dumpster
and hey, who knows, with a little endurance and some wild luck you might even be able to buy yourself a hoopty with gas spitting out of the radio to sleep in!!!!
that is of course, until they ban all gasoline guzzlers in favor of electric Teslas you can never afford.
so you better get cracking brah
It's a wonderful thing for fast food kiosk manufacturers :t2723:
Quote from: Oliver the Second on April 17, 2024, 09:31:29 PMIt's a wonderful thing for fast food kiosk manufacturers :t2723:
you see, what the dumb fucking morons on left don't realize is that there is an end game to all of this.
Where is AI and robotics being developed? Mostly. California
What is the one of the best business verticals to POC (proof of concept) a rollout of completely automated services? Fast food.
And where is this all happening right now? California
so yeah, right now fast food workers are marveling at the fact that they are making 5 bucks an hour more while smaller chains which cannot sustain such increases fold and larger chains reach the apex of what they can actually charge for their food. conditions ripe for the adoption of AI technology offering a 25% discount to early adopters where fast food chains will be signing up in droves. Driving these very same workers out of a job PERMANENTLY
Odd how the law didn't cover any other business verticals eh? Coincidence, I'm sure.
liberals are so fucking stupid at this point it's annoying to have to share the same fucking planet with them
I won't frequent a business that has replaced workers with AI bots.
Everyone's savings are now effectively worth that much less, confidence in the currency will take the predicted hit.
Not that I expect the average minimum wage earner to get the significance, the dumb fools.
This country is so dumb. Why even go to college. It's just a scam. :Doh2: My daughter has a 4 year college education from the UNIVERSITY of FL and having a hard time finding a job in her field. The offers she's getting are like right above that.
Quote from: Moonie on April 18, 2024, 10:15:20 AMThis country is so dumb. Why even go to college. It's just a scam. :Doh2: My daughter has a 4 year college education from the UNIVERSITY of FL and having a hard time finding a job in her field. The offers she's getting are like right above that.
Do you mind if I ask what her major was?
Quote from: Moonie on April 18, 2024, 10:15:20 AMThis country is so dumb. Why even go to college. It's just a scam. :Doh2: My daughter has a 4 year college education from the UNIVERSITY of FL and having a hard time finding a job in her field. The offers she's getting are like right above that.
Exactly - load these poor kids up with debt or drain the parents nest eggs on an education that is utterly worthless to the intended goal. A high paying job.
But see, that's not the intended goal with libtards... it's to indoctrinate younger impressionable minds with anti america and anti morality propaganda
and they make the recipient pay for it.
Quote from: DKG on April 18, 2024, 10:20:04 AMDo you mind if I ask what her major was?
Ummm well it's sociology degree as she got into law school. That is pending right now. She worked for social services. In order for that to pay she needs her masters. She got tired of the social work inner city.
Quote from: Moonie on April 18, 2024, 10:25:37 AMUmmm well it's sociology degree as she got into law school. That is pending right now. She worked for social services. In order for that to pay she needs her masters. She got tired of the social work inner city.
In Canada, that would really limit her choices to a few aid agencies or the civil service. And yes, she would need a masters to earn a livable wage.
Unbelievable
a 12 month study in cybersecurity will land you a job making 65K to start. Bare minimum
Quote from: Moonie on April 18, 2024, 10:15:20 AMThis country is so dumb. Why even go to college. It's just a scam. :Doh2: My daughter has a 4 year college education from the UNIVERSITY of FL and having a hard time finding a job in her field. The offers she's getting are like right above that.
I worked full time before,during, and after a year of university in my late teens. Then spent 18 years working in my chosen fields.
In the end, I got 4 degrees given to me for time served/experience that were paid for by my employer and only took a few weeks of evidence collection/interviews/and testimonials from bosses/coworkers.
I was literally better at my job than the assessors with degrees tasked to rate me in my job and I had a position far superior than anything they had ever possessed in their limited careers.
I had even single handedly yet accidentally passed my corporation on a PwC audit back when PwC audits still meant something.
It came down to adherence to methodology and experience from the floor up.
I will strongly insist my youngest pick a trade or tailored short courses when she becomes an adult in 6 years time.
But that may not even be necessary because she's totally unjabbed for anything and just the fact that she's not going to die suddenly and has all her wits about her means the world is her oyster, should the world not Armageddon itself in the meantime.
Quote from: DKG on April 18, 2024, 10:30:13 AMIn Canada, that would really limit her choices to a few aid agencies or the civil service. And yes, she would need a masters to earn a livable wage.
Same here. We tried telling her this. She thinking about getting her teaching certificate. She also owns her own business and does makeup for weddings on the side which she really talented doing.
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 18, 2024, 10:32:47 AMUnbelievable
a 12 month study in cybersecurity will land you a job making 65K to start. Bare minimum
It is a very lucrative field.
Quote from: Moonie on April 18, 2024, 10:37:23 AMSame here. We tried telling her this. She thinking about getting her teaching certificate. She also owns her own business and does makeup for weddings on the side which she really talented doing.
If money is a priority, do not choose social work.
Quote from: Frood on April 18, 2024, 10:33:13 AMI worked full time before,during, and after a year of university in my late teens. Then spent 18 years working in my chosen fields.
In the end, I got 4 degrees given to me for time served/experience that were paid for by my employer and only took a few weeks of evidence collection/interviews/and testimonials from bosses/coworkers.
I was literally better at my job than the assessors with degrees tasked to rate me in my job and I had a position far superior than anything they had ever possessed in their limited careers.
I had even single handedly yet accidentally passed my corporation on a PwC audit back when PwC audits still meant something.
It came down to adherence to methodology and experience from the floor up.
I will strongly insist my youngest pick a trade or tailored short courses when she becomes an adult in 6 years time.
But that may not even be necessary because she's totally unjabbed for anything and just the fact that she's not going to die suddenly and has all her wits about her means the world is her oyster, should the world not Armageddon itself in the meantime.
I agree with you. I suggested as of recent for her to think about going back and get her nursing or xray technology certification something because this world is evolving and things are changing. She's thinking about it.
Quote from: DKG on April 18, 2024, 10:39:33 AMIf money is a priority, do not choose social work.
Haha right! Especially my daughters. If they are like their momma. She's learning.
Quote from: Moonie on April 18, 2024, 10:41:54 AMI agree with you. I suggested as of recent for her to think about going back and get her nursing or xray technology certification something because this world is evolving and things are changing. She's thinking about it.
Or even take her passion for makeup/hair/whatever and work for herself.... passion is nine tenths of success, assuming you have the drive to keep getting up when you get knocked down.
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 18, 2024, 10:32:47 AMUnbelievable
a 12 month study in cybersecurity will land you a job making 65K to start. Bare minimum
Wow. That's amazing. I don't see that or my kids haven't mentioned it. Isn't that like an engineer degree. My nephews are doing that. But that's like a fort four year degree.
Quote from: DKG on April 18, 2024, 10:39:33 AMIf money is a priority, do not choose social work.
Didn't blurt the jerk work in some homeless shelter trying to convince bums not to piss on his leg for next to minimum wage?
Quote from: Moonie on April 18, 2024, 10:47:19 AMWow. That's amazing. I don't see that or my kids haven't mentioned it. Isn't that like an engineer degree. My nephews are doing that. But that's like a fort four year degree.
you don't need a 4 year degree
just a targeted program which teaches you the essentials of the field
Cloud security And Penetration testing are very hot and lend themselves very well to remote work which broadens the potential hiring probabilities
Quote from: Frood on April 18, 2024, 10:45:17 AMOr even take her passion for makeup/hair/whatever and work for herself.... passion is nine tenths of success, assuming you have the drive to keep getting up when you get knocked down.
She's doing really awesome with it. The thing is it's not consistent because wedding season is certain times a year. The tax guy said her first year she gross $78 thousand on her own. It's pretty exciting. She wants like mon-fri for benefits she is gonna be off mine she turns 26 this year.
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 18, 2024, 10:48:25 AMDidn't blurt the jerk work in some homeless shelter trying to convince bums not to piss on his leg for next to minimum wage?
Blurt is okay. What he says online is no real indication of his life or motives offline.
He does have a preoccupation with doing his part for humanity and while I think it's mostly misguided, his heart is in it.
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 18, 2024, 10:50:07 AMyou don't need a 4 year degree
just a targeted program which teaches you the essentials of the field
Cloud security And Penetration testing are very hot and lend themselves very well to remote work which broadens the potential hiring probabilities
. Thank you will look into this.
Quote from: Moonie on April 18, 2024, 10:43:25 AMHaha right! Especially my daughters. If they are like their momma. She's learning.
:good:
Quote from: Moonie on April 18, 2024, 10:51:07 AMShe's doing really awesome with it. The thing is it's not consistent because wedding season is certain times a year. The tax guy said her first year she gross $78 thousand on her own. It's pretty exciting. She wants like mon-fri for benefits she is gonna be off mine she turns 26 this year.
She needs a side hustle to tide her over until everything is go go go...
I've tried explaining what a side hustle would deliver for some millennials I know but they mostly roll their eyes at me as if to say I'm just an old guy who doesn't know shit.
Quote from: Frood on April 18, 2024, 10:54:57 AMShe needs a side hustle to tide her over until everything is go go go...
I've tried explaining what a side hustle would deliver for some millennials I know but they mostly roll their eyes at me as if to say I'm just an old guy who doesn't know shit.
One thing I tried to teach my girls is to not depend on a man for anything you know. Just to make sure they can take care of themselves in case anything happens. She isn't dating right now either.
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 18, 2024, 10:48:25 AMDidn't blurt the jerk work in some homeless shelter trying to convince bums not to piss on his leg for next to minimum wage?
He did or still does do outreach work.....I'm not sure what his role is.
Quote from: Moonie on April 18, 2024, 10:41:54 AMI agree with you. I suggested as of recent for her to think about going back and get her nursing or xray technology certification something because this world is evolving and things are changing. She's thinking about it.
My daughter is graduating from something related to health care......she has a good paying position to go to.
Quote from: formosan on April 18, 2024, 11:57:29 AMMy daughter is graduating from something related to health care......she has a good paying position to go to.
I begged her lol before going to school you know they do the opposite of what you tell them. Haha
Quote from: Moonie on April 18, 2024, 12:13:16 PMI begged her lol before going to school you know they do the opposite of what you tell them. Haha
We paid for all of our daughter's university expenses, but it came with strings attached......it had to be a majot that would have a very good chance of well paid employment..
With our son, it was easy.....he likes working with his hands like his father......he is in an apprenceticeship program at my husband's company.
Just another reminder, with the dollar not tied to the Gold/Silver standard anymore, its value is subjected to a multitude of factors. One of the biggest influences is how many are printed.....and that is a mega ultrazord shit ton. Is $20/hr minimum wage a lot? I dont think so. My opinion is based off how many dollars I can see that have been printed in 20 years.
I asked myself this:
Whats the value of a dollar today compared to 1983 when I made $3.25/hr minimum wage? You can also ask yourself how much more money has been printed since then. If there's 6X or more dollars in circulation since 1983, $20/hr aint shit.
Lots of things in our markets are manipulated. the price of gas is artificially low, so is milk, eggs, and a shit ton of other commodities. Eventually the jig will be up and everyone will have to face reality....We're living in Weimer. If everyone gets red pilled at once? You best be prepared!!!!
https://youtu.be/Z0GFRcFm-aY
Quote from: formosan on April 18, 2024, 12:20:22 PMWe paid for all of our daughter's university expenses, but it came with strings attached......it had to be a majot that would have a very good chance of well paid employment..
With our son, it was easy.....he likes working with his hands like his father......he is in an apprenceticeship program at my husband's company.
Well the 2 oldest they do really well. One a finance major who was president of his fraternity which opened up doors for many different areas. He's now a freelancer for startup business but I do not really understand what he does. :Doh2:
The other is a finance adviser.
This one is the one who wants to help and make people feel good and wants to give everything away for free :facepalm:. She was a tree hugger she came to her senses thank the heavens.
Quote from: Moonie on April 18, 2024, 01:25:10 PMWell the 2 oldest they do really well. One a finance major who was president of his fraternity which opened up doors for many different areas. He's now a freelancer for startup business but I do not really understand what he does. :Doh2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8op0_1equSQ
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 18, 2024, 01:31:52 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8op0_1equSQ
Oh shit poor kid gonna get so many calls today :crampe:
Quote from: Oliver the Second on April 17, 2024, 09:31:29 PMIt's a wonderful thing for fast food kiosk manufacturers :t2723:
In theory I support higher wages. And a few years ago, I would have been leading the choir in chanting raise the minimum wage. But, then COVID hit and prices went through the roof. Now, I just don't know.
Quote from: Brent on April 18, 2024, 03:03:23 PMIn theory I support higher wages. And a few years ago, I would have been leading the choir in chanting raise the minimum wage. But, then COVID hit and prices went through the roof. Now, I just don't know.
Higher wages isn't going to solve the problem tho
let me ask you this, would you care if you were paid 5 dollar a day if those 5 dollars allowed you to live comfortably in a nice home, drive a nice car and support a family on your single income with money to spare?
People in the 40s and 50s and even 60s did just that. Things were affordable
but nowadays, especially in democrat run shitholes like california EVERYTHING is overinflated to the point where you need to make 5,000.00 a week just to live a barely decent existence.
So what difference does it make if they raise the minimum wage for fast food workers to 20.00 bucks an hour when you need to be making 100.00 bucks an hour just to be considered slightly less than poor?
This is showboating and lib service to a constituency that is too god awfully stupid to see what the real problems are and what should be done to solve them
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 18, 2024, 03:09:33 PMHigher wages isn't going to solve the problem tho
let me ask you this, would you care if you were paid 5 dollar a day if those 5 dollars allowed you to live comfortably in a nice home, drive a nice car and support a family on your single income with money to spare?
People in the 40s and 50s and even 60s did just that. Things were affordable
but nowadays, especially in democrat run shitholes like california EVERYTHING is overinflated to the point where you need to make 5,000.00 a week just to live a barely decent existence.
So what difference does it make if they raise the minimum wage for fast food workers to 20.00 bucks an hour when you need to be making 100.00 bucks an hour just to be considered slightly less than poor?
This is showboating and lib service to a constituency that is too god awfully stupid to see what the real problems are and what should be done to solve them
I know when our union negotiated new contracts that our raises could make us worse off depending on the inflation rate. And I have never seen inflation as bad as it has been since COVID.
Quote from: Brent on April 18, 2024, 03:18:56 PMI know when our union negotiated new contracts that our raises could make us worse off depending on the inflation rate. And I have never seen inflation as bad as it has been since COVID.
Not as much to do with COVID as it is to do with all the money printed since COVID and the Biden admin's disastrous energy policies
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 18, 2024, 03:20:24 PMNot as much to do with COVID as it is to do with all the money printed since COVID and the Biden admin's disastrous energy policies
I did not mean only the virus itself. I meant the response to it from governments around the world.
Quote from: Brent on April 18, 2024, 03:21:40 PMI did not mean only the virus itself. I meant the response to it from governments around the world.
A large part of that response is what Biggie mentioned. Printing vast quantities of money and handing them out to people that aren't producing anything equals inflated prices. Meaning each individual dollar is worth less. If the rate at which each dollar is being devalued is not matched or exceeded by an equal rate increase in the amount of money being provisioned in wages, the individual worker is less well off and the government simply showboating.
This also ties in to Lokmar's comment about us living in Weimar. Feel free to google photos of the paypackets of the average german citizen during the fall of the Weimar Republic; they were pushing their weekly pay about in wheelbarrows. It got to the point where you could sit down in a cafe for a coffee and the price of it would double before you had consumed it and got to the till to pay for it. Hyperinflation on a massive scale and raising wages only exacerbates it.
When wealth and poverty is being discussed, it is perhaps prudent to NOT measure it in terms of how many scheckels you have to your name but rather what you can do with them. You, my good man, are in a system where your wealth is being taxed every time the moneyprinters start going BRRRRRRR.
Do not advocate for minimum wage increase, it only makes an already bad situation worse. Rather, identify the worthless drains on the economy and advocate for their elimination. The money you DO have will then go further.