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Hell fucking yes I would.

Without a single doubt in my mind

 Nah.

 I'd have made sure he got into art school lol.

Nah, it's bad joo-joo messing with the past.

Fuck no I wouldn't and if you think for five seconds, none of you would either.

Imagine a world where Hitler had never existed. You might think the world would be better off for it, certainly in some respects it would be. But your medical wouldn't be. Fact is an appreciable amount of what doctors know today and what we take for granted without even giving a second thought owes a debt to the cruel and inhumane experiments that utter turds like Josef Mengele conducted in concentration camps. You needed a Hitler of some sort to help make those happen and Adolph was the one you got. Remove him and any analog like him and you have effectively signed the death warrants of countless millions of people that have otherwise since been treated using the medical understanding their experiments wrought. And in so doing, you would be no better than the Hitler you killed.

And that's assuming of course that you were able to make that choice and follow through on it. Cause and effect dictates you could never accomplish the task, simply because by removing Hitler, you negate all that his existence wrought including your decision to go back and kill him in the first place. As a matter of fact, you likely your own existence, ceasing to have ever existed due to the very likely possibility your moms and dads never fucked each other to produce you in the first place, but instead shacked up with some hooknose or nigger... literally any of the competition who survived to ripe old ages because of the lack of the holocaust Hitler and his merry buddies wrought.

Agreed, he did a lot of terrible things, but you would never have existed were it not for Hitler. You would not be around to enjoy whatever the world would have become in his absence, having effectively killed off the branch of events that led to your creation.

You are here however and you have a priceless treasure denied that world. You have Hitler's example to learn from... and therefore an understanding that you can use to know how NOT to behave towards others. So no... unless you were feeling particularly suicidal, or genocidal, or simply boneheadedly stupid, then none of you would kill Hitler and you know it.

I chose yes.

No. Morally, it would be wrong to kill someone who is currently innocent before they turned evil.

The failure to do something about Hitler was somewhere in the early to mid 30's. THATS when he deserved to die. Further, Hitler was just the leader of a much bigger movement that contained a shitton of evil motherfuckers. I do not believe Nazi Germany would have been completely derailed without Hitler.

Quote from: Logic Sandwich on April 26, 2024, 03:51:33 AMFuck no I wouldn't and if you think for five seconds, none of you would either.

Imagine a world where Hitler had never existed. You might think the world would be better off for it, certainly in some respects it would be. But your medical wouldn't be. Fact is an appreciable amount of what doctors know today and what we take for granted without even giving a second thought owes a debt to the cruel and inhumane experiments that utter turds like Josef Mengele conducted in concentration camps. You needed a Hitler of some sort to help make those happen and Adolph was the one you got. Remove him and any analog like him and you have effectively signed the death warrants of countless millions of people that have otherwise since been treated using the medical understanding their experiments wrought. And in so doing, you would be no better than the Hitler you killed.

And that's assuming of course that you were able to make that choice and follow through on it. Cause and effect dictates you could never accomplish the task, simply because by removing Hitler, you negate all that his existence wrought including your decision to go back and kill him in the first place. As a matter of fact, you likely your own existence, ceasing to have ever existed due to the very likely possibility your moms and dads never fucked each other to produce you in the first place, but instead shacked up with some hooknose or nigger... literally any of the competition who survived to ripe old ages because of the lack of the holocaust Hitler and his merry buddies wrought.

Agreed, he did a lot of terrible things, but you would never have existed were it not for Hitler. You would not be around to enjoy whatever the world would have become in his absence, having effectively killed off the branch of events that led to your creation.

You are here however and you have a priceless treasure denied that world. You have Hitler's example to learn from... and therefore an understanding that you can use to know how NOT to behave towards others. So no... unless you were feeling particularly suicidal, or genocidal, or simply boneheadedly stupid, then none of you would kill Hitler and you know it.

You make excellent points and based on my unclear post I can see why you thought I meant going back in time. To which I would wholeheartedly agree it's a huge mistake to make any attempt at changing the past

what I really mean, which I did not communicate clearly, is that if you were certain you were killing the baby Hitler and you were a real time resident of that era ie 1889 would you kill him?

Or likewise, a modern day comparable. It is completely understood and accepted that baby X is the next Hitler, the entire world knows it but YOU are the only person on this planet with the ability to kill this baby? Would you do it?

I would. Without a second thought.

Quote from: Lokmar on April 26, 2024, 09:41:27 AMNo. Morally, it would be wrong to kill someone who is currently innocent before they turned evil.

The failure to do something about Hitler was somewhere in the early to mid 30's. THATS when he deserved to die. Further, Hitler was just the leader of a much bigger movement that contained a shitton of evil motherfuckers. I do not believe Nazi Germany would have been completely derailed without Hitler.

Wasn't there some movie based on this? The one with Tom Cruise?

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 26, 2024, 09:47:01 AMWasn't there some movie based on this? The one with Tom Cruise?

Yea, Minority Report. The concept concerns me greatly!

Quote from: Lokmar on April 26, 2024, 09:41:27 AMNo. Morally, it would be wrong to kill someone who is currently innocent before they turned evil.

Did you just say that lol.  I agree.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 25, 2024, 10:49:57 PMHell fucking yes I would.

Without a single doubt in my mind

No, people can change.

Quote from: Moonie on April 26, 2024, 11:36:48 AMDid you just say that lol.  I agree.

Lokmar gets a lot of flak for being some right wing lunatic

at least from the libtards who claim they are from freedom he does. But I'm a good judge of character and I have found him to be a true believer in justice and morality. A principled man

this is why despite being with a black woman and having very close ties to the black community I don't become offended when he says "nigger" this or that. I know the type of people he's referring too and it's not about the color of their skin it's the content of their character.. and to me, the most unracist person you will find they are niggers too.

If you look deep enough and are observant you will find 10 out of 10 times it is the libtards who cry racism the most that are the most racist among us.

Case in Point. Hillary Cliton. You carry hot sauce around in your purse do you? You love it on fried chicken do you? You speak ghettoneese do you?

Perhaps when in Fulton County Georgia you do but I am quite certain NONE of that is the case when you are dinning in the good ole boys club at 250.00 a plate.

who you kidding? Let a black man try to marry one of your two daughters and watch how fast the truth comes on out.

and I seen the same with the self righteous rodents like lotus and Lily at BF too.

I'll take Lomkar over one of these animals any day of the week. Even if he is a racist for real... at least I Know where I stand with the fucking guy.

"RAYCIS!" is a cudgel I refuse to be heeled by. I rejected that stupid shit decades ago. I'll say nigger, wop, pollack, catlick, gaytheist, women shouldnt vote, or any other controversial thing I think applies at the time. I treat my wife like a queen and have never raised a hand or voice to her.

As my kids say, I'm an "istist". To some degree, I'm capable of hating anything and anyone. I also have the same capacity for great admiration of the same. I talk giant bullshit about the catholics in my family and my cousin who's in that Gwen Shamblin cult or my sister in law who's been with nothing but ghetto white trash all her life but I dont have a problem with my other sister in law whos husband is black/white mixed. Why? He's a good person and is good to her as far as I know. If I heard he dogged her around, I'd call him a nigger.

I do have a moral code that I measure everything including myself against. Its based on God's Law, not me. Thats why when a faggit says "Yea, you're going to hell for this that and the other thing" I can confidently reply "yep and that has NOTHING to do with the FACT that you should be shoved off a hotel building". Me and my behavior doesnt matter jack or shit, whats right is right, whats wrong is wrong.

Again, just to be clear, I wouldn't go back in time to kill a baby hilter as this would have drastic consequences to the present. if the present becomes a reality at all in such a circumstance

and the more I ask myself how I am any different than the creators of the system referenced in Minority report the more I am unable to reconcile this position with positions I've held since a young adult. It certainly seemed they had very credible data to support their assertions too. Lots of cases where it worked flawlessly. Until it didn't

and therein lies the conundrum.

Benjamin Franklin once said "it is better a hundred guilty persons should escape than one innocent person should suffer."

and I have always believed in that principle. To this day. Which is why I am so throughly disgusted with what I am seeing being done to Trump. Not because I like the guy. I'd be equally disgusted were it happening to Obama all circumstances being equal. It's not for the individual but the process.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 26, 2024, 12:05:03 PMLokmar gets a lot of flak for being some right wing lunatic

at least from the libtards who claim they are from freedom he does. But I'm a good judge of character and I have found him to be a true believer in justice and morality. A principled man

this is why despite being with a black woman and having very close ties to the black community I don't become offended when he says "nigger" this or that. I know the type of people he's referring too and it's not about the color of their skin it's the content of their character.. and to me, the most unracist person you will find they are niggers too.

If you look deep enough and are observant you will find 10 out of 10 times it is the libtards who cry racism the most that are the most racist among us.

Case in Point. Hillary Cliton. You carry hot sauce around in your purse do you? You love it on fried chicken do you? You speak ghettoneese do you?

Perhaps when in Fulton County Georgia you do but I am quite certain NONE of that is the case when you are dinning in the good ole boys club at 250.00 a plate.

who you kidding? Let a black man try to marry one of your two daughters and watch how fast the truth comes on out.

and I seen the same with the self righteous rodents like lotus and Lily at BF too.

I'll take Lomkar over one of these animals any day of the week. Even if he is a racist for real... at least I Know where I stand with the fucking guy.

I think he's funny as shit.  I laugh my ass off. And I don't care he says what he says I'm sorry if that's what you or anyone thought. I agree with what you say for the most part.

I was referring to something else really. 

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 26, 2024, 06:24:12 PMAgain, just to be clear, I wouldn't go back in time to kill a baby hilter as this would have drastic consequences to the present. if the present becomes a reality at all in such a circumstance

and the more I ask myself how I am any different than the creators of the system referenced in Minority report the more I am unable to reconcile this position with positions I've held since a young adult. It certainly seemed they had very credible data to support their assertions too. Lots of cases where it worked flawlessly. Until it didn't

and therein lies the conundrum.

Benjamin Franklin once said "it is better a hundred guilty persons should escape than one innocent person should suffer."

and I have always believed in that principle. To this day. Which is why I am so throughly disgusted with what I am seeing being done to Trump. Not because I like the guy. I'd be equally disgusted were it happening to Obama all circumstances being equal. It's not for the individual but the process.

My dad was born in 45. His father was a POW in the Phillipines.

Killing baby Hitler would be killing myself.

Quote from: DKG on April 26, 2024, 11:39:36 AMNo, people can change.

I am not going to sit around waiting for a monster who killed millions to change.

They are going to die.

Quote from: Moonie on April 26, 2024, 06:36:01 PMI think he's funny as shit.  I laugh my ass off. And I don't care he says what he says I'm sorry if that's what you or anyone thought. I agree with what you say for the most part.

I was referring to something else really. 

I know that. I just used it as an opportunity to demonstrate how hypocritical those vermin shitbags on the left are

I'll take Lokmar over rodents like Murdock, lily, lotusbud and Admong any day of the week.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 26, 2024, 12:05:03 PMwho you kidding? Let a black man try to marry one of your two daughters and watch how fast the truth comes on out.

i agree with most all of your post except this part.... liberals don't give a fuck about kids.... yours or theirs.... they will full-on kill em, vaccinate em, fuck em and/or mutilate em.... and they will certainly marry them to a black man for social credit.... look at how many groom their own children to be trans.... if you want to expose their hypocrisy, you gotta affect them personally.... like filling their "gated community" with illegals....

Quote from: caskur on April 26, 2024, 04:47:49 AMI chose yes.

I did too.

https://youtu.be/dBVYteTxR9g?si=B5K9Gh5VKSufV14a

i know this is a hypothetical question and just for kicks or whatever.... but i should remind yall that you're allegedly the "same brand of conservatives" who stand against red flag laws and fight against the system thats trying to prosecute "thought crimes".... most of you claim to have christian values as well.... so this same group of ppl are willing to overlook "thou shall not kill" and "judge not lest ye be judged" and go back in time to kill a baby over what it might potentially do? thats ironic as fuck....  :crampe:

Quote from: deadskinmask on April 26, 2024, 10:03:15 PMi know this is a hypothetical question and just for kicks or whatever.... but i should remind yall that you're allegedly the "same brand of conservatives" who stand against red flag laws and fight against the system thats trying to prosecute "thought crimes".... most of you claim to have christian values as well.... so this same group of ppl are willing to overlook "thou shall not kill" and "judge not lest ye be judged" and go back in time to kill a baby over what it might potentially do? thats ironic as fuck....  :crampe:

I aint a religious guy myself. But, a question was asked. We all know we aint ever going to know the future, so the original question is a moot point.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 26, 2024, 09:44:28 AMYou make excellent points and based on my unclear post I can see why you thought I meant going back in time. To which I would wholeheartedly agree it's a huge mistake to make any attempt at changing the past

what I really mean, which I did not communicate clearly, is that if you were certain you were killing the baby Hitler and you were a real time resident of that era ie 1889 would you kill him?

Or likewise, a modern day comparable. It is completely understood and accepted that baby X is the next Hitler, the entire world knows it but YOU are the only person on this planet with the ability to kill this baby? Would you do it?

I would. Without a second thought.

Ah.

I still wouldn't. Not without understanding the full consequences first at any rate. I may be setting the stage for far worse otherwise and I'm not prepared to have that weight on my shoulders. As I indicated on the previous page, the emergence of a Hitler had its positive effects as well as its negatives and without the superpower of omniscience I cannot in all good conscience make that decision for the rest of you.

I also cannot hold this hypothetical Baby Hitler responsible for whatever it is that happens to him/her while leaving those that did it to Baby Hitler to go unpunished. Consider; Adolph Hitler would never have become who he was without the unrestrained expansionalism and imperialism that was being practiced for centuries before he put brush to canvas. The US's decision to enter WW1 was responsible in part too... and that had certainly needed to happen in order for the continued decline of Great Britain to continue, that the US might assume its ultimate place as a superpower. I cannot begin to imagine the killing spree I'd have to embark upon if I were to mete out the death penalty for every last person responsible for making Adolph Hitler who he was and the hypocrisy of killing one person and not the rest would never sit well with me.

So understanding all this and more, my answer must remain in the negative. That's not a hard and fast negative mind you, but it's going to take a lot more than simply the mere knowledge that I held Baby Hitler's life in my hands.

Feel free to watch the Epix / Studio Canal series "The War Of The Worlds" in it's entirety if you need to understand what I mean by that. I won't spoiler it, but keep a close eye on Gabriel Byrne's character, how he develops throughout the two seasons in reaction to the events unfolding about him and what it ultimately causes him to do.

You just might rethink your own certainty on how ready you are to dispose of the Next Great Evil.

Quote from: deadskinmask on April 26, 2024, 10:03:15 PMi know this is a hypothetical question and just for kicks or whatever.... but i should remind yall that you're allegedly the "same brand of conservatives" who stand against red flag laws and fight against the system thats trying to prosecute "thought crimes".... most of you claim to have christian values as well.... so this same group of ppl are willing to overlook "thou shall not kill" and "judge not lest ye be judged" and go back in time to kill a baby over what it might potentially do? thats ironic as fuck....  :crampe:

Quote from: Herman on April 26, 2024, 10:11:46 PMI aint a religious guy myself. But, a question was asked. We all know we aint ever going to know the future, so the original question is a moot point.

Moot or not, it comes down to a question of consistency. I have to side with DSM on this; I see a glaring example of "rules for thee but not for me" in the proposition that any of us should get to play God over the life of another before it had even been lived. Some of you might argue the right to murder one to save many is justified, but it is in fact the exact same logic that is being continually propositioned to disarm and therefore subjugate you to a tyranical government.

I would just as soon not set that precedent myself without intimate and comprehensive knowledge that there really were no other option.

We are all a slice of stardust on the 3rd rock...

Quote from: Herman on April 26, 2024, 09:17:50 PMI did too.

I would rather not let 100 guilty go to save an innocent either...

If it's about numbers, the numbers are going to win every time. If I can prevent death I am going to do it.


These people in this thread have no problem sending young innocent men and women off to war to stand between death and their own families.

All you supposed Christians  fear death...  this means 1. you have no idea about what bestows you after death. And 2. Read 1.

Quote from: deadskinmask on April 26, 2024, 10:03:15 PMi know this is a hypothetical question and just for kicks or whatever.... but i should remind yall that you're allegedly the "same brand of conservatives" who stand against red flag laws and fight against the system thats trying to prosecute "thought crimes".... most of you claim to have christian values as well.... so this same group of ppl are willing to overlook "thou shall not kill" and "judge not lest ye be judged" and go back in time to kill a baby over what it might potentially do? thats ironic as fuck....  :crampe:

As you said, it is a hypothetical question so can't be done.

And what did Christian America do to stop WWII? Why it dropped 2 nuclear bombs on Japan killing millions of women, children and old people.


The Bible also says there is a time for war and a time for peace...

Quote from: caskur on April 27, 2024, 08:22:06 AMAs you said, it is a hypothetical question so can't be done.

And what did Christian America do to stop WWII? Why it dropped 2 nuclear bombs on Japan killing millions of women, children and old people.


The Bible also says there is a time for war and a time for peace...

But Japan in war at that point was virtually defeated. They dropped the A bombs to test out the tech and for that reason alone.

It was genocide.

The flood of Noah was technically a genocide too

Sometimes the whole clan gotta go

My enemy is my enemy and his kids are nothing more than future enemies more often than not

My heart doesn't bleed for any of them.  There is no such thing as a civilian in war time.  Everyone contributed to the advancement of the war effort in one way or another

The bombs stopped the war and as far as I am concerned that was a win.

The Japanese in those days were pure savages.

They murdered 200 nurses in Darwin Australia.. who the fuck murders 200 nurses? If I could go back in time and prevent WW2 I am going to do that in a flash.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 27, 2024, 10:15:28 AMThe flood of Noah was technically a genocide too

Sometimes the whole clan gotta go

My enemy is my enemy and his kids are nothing more than future enemies more often than not

My heart doesn't bleed for any of them.  There is no such thing as a civilian in war time.  Everyone contributed to the advancement of the war effort in one way or another

Ecclesiastes 3:7-8 American Standard Version (ASV)
a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; a time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace.


Also going back to the subject on aborting baby Adolf... there is no such thing as an innocent baby although we like to think there is.... all babies are born sinners.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 27, 2024, 10:15:28 AMThe flood of Noah was technically a genocide too

Sometimes the whole clan gotta go

My enemy is my enemy and his kids are nothing more than future enemies more often than not

My heart doesn't bleed for any of them.  There is no such thing as a civilian in war time.  Everyone contributed to the advancement of the war effort in one way or another

Would you slaughter the newborn bubs of your enemies?

Quote from: Frood on April 27, 2024, 10:31:35 AMWould you slaughter the newborn bubs of your enemies?

Depends

Anyone old enough to have been indoctrinated with hate towards me or mine would be going tho.

Loose ends bro.  I ain't leaving an opportunity for someone to get back at me decades from now

Now this is the context. I wouldn't ever start such a feud requiring this level of barbarism but I have no problems seeing it to completion. If brought to me unprovoked. No matter how ugly it gets

Quote from: caskur on April 27, 2024, 01:27:34 AMI would rather not let 100 guilty go to save an innocent either...

If it's about numbers, the numbers are going to win every time. If I can prevent death I am going to do it.

People are going to die no matter what. You might very well save a hundred in your murder of one; at the same time you are possibly setting in motion the events that kill thousands or millions that otherwise might have otherwise been long and fruitful lives. You simply do not know the unintended consequences any more than I or anyone else here does.

Ironically, there is one innocent death you assuredly can prevent - namely the little baby Hitler you have sworn to end. Remembering that the events you seek to judge the baby for have yet to be performed and therefore the baby is not guilty of them.

Quote from: caskur on April 27, 2024, 01:27:34 AMThese people in this thread have no problem sending young innocent men and women off to war to stand between death and their own families.

Now I know you're not talking about me. My grandfather and his brothers were all military (Army and Air Force); they made their choice to accept their commissions in the armed forces in an era where it was considered noble to defend the homeland's interests against foreign incursions. After the war had ended, in my grandfather's case this included a stint in Malaya where among his many duties he was responsible for ordering and in some cases piloting patrols to observe and report on maritime vessels in the region and ensuring non Australian vessels were not going to be roaming about Australia's waters with impunity, stealing your father's fish before he could drag them out of the water.

You'll be happy to know that he lived to a ripe old age, buried with full honours for his service to the country. I cannot say that I agreed with all of his choices, but those were his choices to make. I would not make the choice to cede my moral compass to the whims of some government official or I might surely have followed his example and been fanging about the trophosphere in 100 million dollars worth of hardware and creating carbon footprints to really get your greenies screeching.

I decided I had better dreams to chase and I acted accordingly. None of which included demanding others follow my grandfather's example where I would not. I can make great case for an armed force protecting myself and my fellow countrymen; I cannot and will not sign off on an agreement that makes me party to using that same army to go Hulk-Smash in somebody else's backyard.

No, not even for the corpse of the British Empire.

Quote from: caskur on April 27, 2024, 10:27:15 AMEcclesiastes 3:7-8 American Standard Version (ASV)
a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; a time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace.


Also going back to the subject on aborting baby Adolf... there is no such thing as an innocent baby although we like to think there is.... all babies are born sinners.

Pretty harsh judgement there. Exactly what act have any of them committed that they need to be judged and by you of all people?

You do know you were a baby once too, do you not? Just checking.

This is one of the areas where the church and I fall out. A nine month old entity, coccooned in the confines of its mother's belly and with no resources other than those provided it via its mother's placenta is not, in my opinion, in a position to do very much at all. That includes sinning. Unless you're gearing up to tell me that in the absence of anything to keep it otherwise occupied so it spends its days masturbating like a champion (I know the church takes a dim view of those practices) but even then, what options are you giving it exactly? It's not like I see mother stuffing Fischer & Paykel playsets up their spadges for Junior to get a head start or anything.

You can cite Ecclesiastes all you like, that infant's "time" is to develop and be nurtured to... what exactly? Get squeezed out of the birth canal, helpless, terrified and crying into a cold and uncaring world to be told "YOU'RE GUILTY" from the moment the hospital lights blind its eyeballs.

That doesn't sound like the doings of a caring and benevolent God to me.... it sounds more like the actions of a raving lunatic.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 27, 2024, 10:56:02 AMDepends

Anyone old enough to have been indoctrinated with hate towards me or mine would be going tho.

Loose ends bro.  I ain't leaving an opportunity for someone to get back at me decades from now

Now this is the context. I wouldn't ever start such a feud requiring this level of barbarism but I have no problems seeing it to completion. If brought to me unprovoked. No matter how ugly it gets

But would you kill newborn babies and toddlers?

Quote from: Frood on April 27, 2024, 11:53:37 AMBut would you kill newborn babies and toddlers?

Only if I was certain that baby or toddler would one day come back to harm me or mine.

Quote from: caskur on April 27, 2024, 01:27:34 AMI would rather not let 100 guilty go to save an innocent either...

If it's about numbers, the numbers are going to win every time. If I can prevent death I am going to do it.


These people in this thread have no problem sending young innocent men and women off to war to stand between death and their own families.

It don't matter because we will never have such knowlewdge about a person when they are babies. We can say any crazy thing we want.

Quote from: Logic Sandwich on April 27, 2024, 11:23:25 AMPretty harsh judgement there. Exactly what act have any of them committed that they need to be judged and by you of all people?

Every Christian knows every baby is a sinner... they know this from their Bibles if they read them.

I didn't invent the concept it was known 1000s of year before I was born.

If you have an issue with that, see God, not me.

Quote from: Herman on April 27, 2024, 09:46:17 PMIt don't matter because we will never have such knowlewdge about a person when they are babies. We can say any crazy thing we want.

The Bible says that God thinks more of a person who dies in old age because of their good journey than the young.

I'll go look for the exact scripture and post it later.

Oh dear... just look at what I have to plough through just to show you what God thinks of the elderly...


How does God view the elderly?

Old age is God's reward for godliness (Ex 20:12 [Eph 6:2-3]; Deut 30:19-20). Being buried at "a good old age and full of years" is a sign of divine favor (Gen 15:13-15; cf. Job 42:16; 1 Chron 29:28; Ps 128:5-6).5 Dec 2020

Quote from: caskur on April 28, 2024, 02:09:48 AMEvery Christian knows every baby is a sinner... they know this from their Bibles if they read them.

I didn't invent the concept it was known 1000s of year before I was born.

If you have an issue with that, see God, not me.

I think the bigger issue here is the notion of differential enforcement. If you are prepared to kill baby Hitler for his sin and every baby is sinful from birth, then why not the wholesale slaughter of all newborns? The mighty Caskur, long having forsaken her handwringing over middle eastern massacres and scourging sin in maternity wards across the globe.

You know the biblical excuse of "well all babies are sinful" is worthless in this context, as do I. That's why you aren't cooling your heels in a cell as a Hitler yourself.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 27, 2024, 10:15:28 AMThe flood of Noah was technically a genocide too

Sometimes the whole clan gotta go

My enemy is my enemy and his kids are nothing more than future enemies more often than not

My heart doesn't bleed for any of them.  There is no such thing as a civilian in war time.  Everyone contributed to the advancement of the war effort in one way or another

And Sodom and Gomorrah...

10 righteous could not be found...if they could, Sodom and Gomorrah would not have been destroyed.

Quote from: Logic Sandwich on April 28, 2024, 02:25:48 AMI think the bigger issue here is the notion of differential enforcement. If you are prepared to kill baby Hitler for his sin and every baby is sinful from birth, then why not the wholesale slaughter of all newborns? The mighty Caskur, long having forsaken her handwringing over middle eastern massacres and scourging sin in maternity wards across the globe.

You know the biblical excuse of "well all babies are sinful" is worthless in this context, as do I. That's why you aren't cooling your heels in a cell as a Hitler yourself.

Excuse me Sir Imbecile, I answered the hypothetical first post and explained why I did and do not budge or need to answer anymore, "what ifs". God is perfectly able to resurrect any person who dies unjustly and promises that he will.

John 5:28-30

28  Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice+ 29  and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.+ 30  I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous+ because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.+

Would you kill baby Hitler if you were certain it was baby Hitler?

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 25, 2024, 10:49:57 PMHell fucking yes I would.

Without a single doubt in my mind

This was the question put to the forum.... a very very simple question about without a single doubt.

5 people here have said they wouldn't prevent the death of millions over one demon baby...

Either they are dumber than dirt or did not comprehend what they read. I suggest they re-read the first post again.

Quote from: caskur on April 28, 2024, 05:21:29 AMWould you kill baby Hitler if you were certain it was baby Hitler?


This was the question put to the forum.... a very very simple question about without a single doubt.

5 people here have said they wouldn't prevent the death of millions over one demon baby...

Either they are dumber than dirt or did not comprehend what they read. I suggest they re-read the first post again.

Yes, and six people said they'd kill the baby in spite of the potential millions of other deaths that it would cause.

Six people would happily slaughter a person yet to be guilty of any crime whatsoever and hang whatever negative consequences that might entail. Consequences which, once I enumerated the indisputable and tangible POSITIVE benefits (ie: medical knowledge) that flowed from the real Adolph Hitler's existence, the world would otherwise be bereft of.

In that light, your willingness to act as you claim you would, in spite of knowing the damage you might cause, casts you not as some righteous saviour, but as someone that does NOT give a fuck for the damage you to the world around you, as long as your warped view on a "fair thing" is met.


And you know what, that's fine. Be it known that Adolph Hitler felt the same way. That is why he did what he did and if his is the example you choose to follow, good for you. I don't need to respect you or your base and amoral stance to know I am above aborting the existence of people who in the future will bring grave consequence to the planet, because I also understand that such can also bring great good.


Whereas you would deny us both. Of the two, I know which I would pick.


A final point of order - I haven't logged in to cast my vote, otherwise you'd be running in a dead heat as far as the popular vote is concerned. Even if it were not the case, it still does not matter: popular opinion of today also insists we hand our children to state sponsored actors for drag queen intimidation and sexual mutilation.

An analog for the same sort of fascistic garbage that was getting practiced in places like Dachau, Buchenwald and Auschitz, to name but a few.

And I don't see any Caskurs riding in to save the day rectifying THAT injustice before the fact.


But like I say, "you do you". Of one thing you can be utterly certain of, if it were me standing over your infant self, replete with the knowledge of all the damage you were going to do in society, all the lives you would cost this planet and all the ignorance we would be blessed with for it.... and calling you a "Baby Hitler" for it all....


I still would not kill you. I do not believe anyone should get to play God with another person's life.

I've already explained the benefit to medical knowledge that was gained by the wholesale experimentation on prisoners in World War 2 and why it would otherwise result in the deaths of so many patients since. Were you to have killed Hitler before he had the chance to become a figurehead of that entire apparatus, the blood of those deaths would be on your hands. Guaranteed the number woulf eclipse the six million jews that lost their lives, but you are incapable of thinking that far ahead and would rather focus on the current outcome and focus purely on that than admit the alternative could and likely would have been way worse.

What gets me though is the rank hypocrisy. You would do away with the medical benefits for potentially billions of "sinfully innocent" lives since because Baby Hitler Bad, yet in the most recent wholesale mass experimentation that ended up involving practically the entire population of the planet, you were (and are) championing it as a Good Thing.

Heads up: that's exactly what the Nazis did.

Now we are at the stage where the clot-shotted are dying in droves daily. No explanation either, they're just folding their tents and kicking their widdle heels up in the air. Enbalmers pulling shit they've never seen before out of their veins just so they can get the enbalming fluid into the cadavers, while the snake oil salesmen on your idiot box set the stage for the next enforced innoculation which just like the last you will champion as "necessary". Mind offering up a logically sound argument as to why your pompom waving is in any way different to the cheerleaders pushing for the properness of their jackbooted masters in Nazi Germany? I thought not.

And here's the kicker. That recent global experiment is continuing unabated and is indeed leading to deeper medical understanding in the medical community. It may well save lives in the future... at the cost of millions if not billions in the present. You want to talk of killing the Baby Hitler that brought this state of affairs about? Again, "I thought not". You talk a big game, but what it really boils down to is you are easily led and will kill only what you have been brainwashed into hating. Without ever understanding that you are merely a tool being used to further someone else's agenda.

Wake up. It's not too late.

I just thought of something. My great grandfather was a calvary medic in WW1.

MY aforemtioned grandfather was a POW, but the other one was a bomber pilot in training near the same time.

There would be no me, no father, no mother if ANYTHING was different in that time period.

EVERYTHING FALLS ON IT'S HEAD ONCE YOU START MESSING WITH CHRONOLOGY.

Stop this retarded discussion.

i find it ridiculous that you would kill hitler to prevent "the holocaust".... especially since "the holocaust" itself is mathematically impossible.... the "6 million dead" appeared in the 60's.... jewish historian Jacob Markus in the 1950 edition of Encyclopaedia Brittanica wrote it was "thousands of jews" not millions killed.... the World Almanac from 1933 says there was a total of 15,315,350 jews in the world.... and in 1948 there were a total of 15,753,638 jews in the world.... but if you look for these stats today, they direct you to the "holocaust museum" instead.... when you look at "jewish holocaust survivors" serial number tatoos, theres always 6 digits.... if millions were killed, why is there NEVER seven digits??? be careful about "killing hitler".... maybe you should investigate first....  :crampe:

If you go back in time to kill Hitler then all those cool movies with Nazis like raiders of the lost ark won't exist.

And then Flynn's uncles couldn't have feasted on chilled monkey brains (which is cannibalism in a way)...  :dontknow:

Quote from: deadskinmask on April 26, 2024, 10:03:15 PMi know this is a hypothetical question and just for kicks or whatever.... but i should remind yall that you're allegedly the "same brand of conservatives" who stand against red flag laws and fight against the system thats trying to prosecute "thought crimes".... most of you claim to have christian values as well.... so this same group of ppl are willing to overlook "thou shall not kill" and "judge not lest ye be judged" and go back in time to kill a baby over what it might potentially do? thats ironic as fuck....  :crampe:

Its thou shall not murder, not thou shall not kill. Killing is perfectly fine and in fact commanded by God. Killing baby Hitler would be murder because baby Hitler was innocent.

And I judge all the time. Why? Because I understand what Jesus was saying. There is absolutely nothing wrong with passing judgment on whats already been condemned.

Quote from: Frood on April 27, 2024, 08:33:27 AMBut Japan in war at that point was virtually defeated. They dropped the A bombs to test out the tech and for that reason alone.

It was genocide.

No. Thats a fairy tale. Them japs didnt surrender: KABOOM!

Atilla The Hun was all about genocide. If you didnt surrender, he killed EVERYONE in the town. You dont know WTF genocide is, dumbass.

Besides, we build the japs back up 10X better than they were BEFORE the war.

Quote from: Frood on April 27, 2024, 10:31:35 AMWould you slaughter the newborn bubs of your enemies?

If God told me to, yes. I'd cut them from the wombs of their mothers and dash them on the rocks. I'd kill all the livestock. All the non livestock. All the women, children, grandmas, fathers, etc.

But Biggie didnt ask if God said kill baby Hitler.

Quote from: Lokmar on April 28, 2024, 01:00:16 PMIts thou shall not murder, not thou shall not kill. Killing is perfectly fine and in fact commanded by God. Killing baby Hitler would be murder because baby Hitler was innocent.

And I judge all the time. Why? Because I understand what Jesus was saying. There is absolutely nothing wrong with passing judgment on whats already been condemned.

full-grown hitler wasn't guilty of that much either.... he just wanted to clean up europe.... they always say he burned "religious texts and medical journals".... but they never mention that the "religious texts" were the talmud and the "medical journals" were about transexual surgery/psychology and sexualizing children.... the jews themselves perpetuated the "holocaust" myth to give the word "anti-semitism" more bite.... jews are parasites and they're responsible for most all of our real world problems.... the smart thing to do is get them AND the muslims out of your country and your politics.... otherwise you'll never "know peace".... 

Killing Hitler when he was little wouldnt have stopped what happened IMO.

Better the world own up to its failure to stop Nazi Germany early on. Thats why we have NATO and the UN, to prevent this type of shit. But of course mankind excels at FAIL so even those institutions either dont stop the shit or cause a new kind of corruption and war.

The Treaty of Versailles created Nazi Germany...

Quote from: deadskinmask on April 28, 2024, 01:13:17 PMfull-grown hitler wasn't guilty of that much either.... he just wanted to clean up europe.... they always say he burned "religious texts and medical journals".... but they never mention that the "religious texts" were the talmud and the "medical journals" were about transexual surgery/psychology and sexualizing children.... the jews themselves perpetuated the "holocaust" myth to give the word "anti-semitism" more bite.... jews are parasites and they're responsible for most all of our real world problems.... the smart thing to do is get them AND the muslims out of your country and your politics.... otherwise you'll never "know peace"....

Hitler was a supreme dumb ass. Had he let his generals run the show, he would have won WW2 and kept America out of it.

Hitlers mistakes have been rehashed billions of time before.

fuck "killing hitler".... we should have helped him....

Quote from: Frood on April 28, 2024, 01:21:44 PMThe Treaty of Versailles created Nazi Germany...

It certainly had a lot to do with it. When people are suffering economically, any charismatic person with what seem to be a sensible plan will get them to follow.

I keep saying America is in a Weimar State. We're fucked when everyone accepts that $20/hr minimum wage isnt jack shit.

Quote from: Lokmar on April 28, 2024, 01:24:04 PMHitler was a supreme dumb ass. Had he let his generals run the show, he would have won WW2 and kept America out of it.

Hitlers mistakes have been rehashed billions of time before.

hindsight is always 20/20 and everyone is an armchair expert.... things happen because things happen and you can't live life in reverse....

Quote from: deadskinmask on April 28, 2024, 01:27:31 PMhindsight is always 20/20 and everyone is an armchair expert.... things happen because things happen and you can't live life in reverse....

I would hope that everyone who's read about Hitler attacking the USSR realizes that was a fatal error where hindsight wasnt needed.

Quote from: Lokmar on April 28, 2024, 01:38:25 PMI would hope that everyone who's read about Hitler attacking the USSR realizes that was a fatal error where hindsight wasnt needed.

i'm certain he expected more support from anti-stalin russians than he received.... like the canadian trucker convoy that was mostly-american protesting for canadian rights and were villainized....

Quote from: Lokmar on April 28, 2024, 01:09:06 PMIf God told me to, yes. I'd cut them from the wombs of their mothers and dash them on the rocks. I'd kill all the livestock. All the non livestock. All the women, children, grandmas, fathers, etc.

But Biggie didnt ask if God said kill baby Hitler.

But God did tell Abraham to kill his only son Isaac and also God allowed Jesus to be sacrificed for our sins.

How many women died in WW2 with fetus in their wombs?... you let the ultimate abortionist Hitler   live.

Quote from: caskur on April 28, 2024, 03:37:23 PMBut God did tell Abraham to kill his only son Isaac and also God allowed Jesus to be sacrificed for our sins.

How many women died in WW2 with fetus in their wombs?... you let the ultimate abortionist Hitler   live.

Baby Hitler dying during an air raid is completely different than baby Hitler dying at the hands of an act by someone looking to play God.

The two scenarios are not alike.

Quote from: Lokmar on April 28, 2024, 04:44:50 PMBaby Hitler dying during an air raid is completely different than baby Hitler dying at the hands of an act by someone looking to play God.

The two scenarios are not alike.

what about viewing it as a tool of God like the angels were God's tools when they passed over Egypt killing all the first born sons including first born animals?

Quote from: caskur on April 28, 2024, 05:31:57 PMwhat about viewing it as a tool of God like the angels were God's tools when they passed over Egypt killing all the first born sons including first born animals?

As I said previously, if God ordered it, that would be different altogether. Who the hell am I to oppose God?

i doubt Gods gonna make you carry out a hitjob on a baby.... thats why we have S.I.D.S....  :crampe:

Quote from: Lokmar on April 28, 2024, 06:16:50 PMAs I said previously, if God ordered it, that would be different altogether. Who the hell am I to oppose God?

Well actually you should always question whatever you learn about God and testing your own faith. There are a few scriptures that encourage God's servants to  test God if you will but there are also scriptures that say you must not put God to the test and just obey. I would say whatever your approach is if it has the spirit of getting to deal with a matter and not justifying a sin say then your questioning is righteous for want of a better phrase.

People tend to only obey stuff they agree with but find it difficult to forgive trespasses. I will not forgive people who physically molest children and if God expects me to then that would be more than I am prepared to do.

The Bible says the only unforgiven sin is working against the holy spirit like Judas did. Judas isn't forgiven and he won't be resurrected. It's a deep issue.

Quote from: deadskinmask on April 28, 2024, 06:24:19 PMi doubt Gods gonna make you carry out a hitjob on a baby.... thats why we have S.I.D.S....  :crampe:

Plus God could have dispensed with Hilter himself if ya going to be honest.

My sister went out with an Israeli Jew and I asked him why did Hitler go after Jews and he absolutely shocked me with his answer. He said, Jews were doing bad things at that time so they were punished by God. And he is the only person to have ever said that... this was before the net.

And because I have a Bible based education I understood him. Throughout the Bible when the Jews were obeying God laws they thrived and were rewarded by God but when they were going off track, he punished them.

I never got to question my sisters boyfriend further because I don't know what the Jews were doing that was bad pre WWII because I would have liked to know his thoughts on it.

It's all very interesting but a lifetime ago.

Quote from: caskur on April 28, 2024, 02:13:08 AMThe Bible says that God thinks more of a person who dies in old age because of their good journey than the young.

I'll go look for the exact scripture and post it later.

Don't bother on my account. I don't believe in fairy tales.

Quote from: Herman on April 28, 2024, 09:53:11 PMDon't bother on my account. I don't believe in fairy tales.

In America, if you dont believe in the "fairy tale" you dont have any inalienable rights.

Quote from: Lokmar on April 28, 2024, 10:40:33 PMIn America, if you dont believe in the "fairy tale" you dont have any inalienable rights.

I have nothing against the bible or any folklore.

Quote from: Herman on April 28, 2024, 10:44:50 PMI have nothing against the bible or any folklore.

I have a big problem with people who hide under the skirt of the folklore only when it suits them.

But it IS folklore though..

Simple things for simple minds.  :popcorn:

Quote from: Lokmar on April 28, 2024, 10:50:44 PMI have a big problem with people who hide under the skirt of the folklore only when it suits them.

Me too. Some Progs and some anti progs do that.

No, I would not kill baby Hitler because one of the people who died in a concentration camp would have been the father of the man who developed the virus that killed every human on earth.

First rule of time travel - DON'T fuck up the timeline!

I see Dumm Sums sock accounts are artificially tampering with the poll.

Quote from: Frood on April 28, 2024, 10:53:46 PMBut it IS folklore though..

Simple things for simple minds.  :popcorn:

And you're free to believe that all the way into the hell you dont believe in.

God is the entire basis for our government and rights. When unbelievers go on the attack, they're fucking it up for everyone else.

Quote from: Lokmar on April 29, 2024, 09:40:44 AMGod is the entire basis for our government and rights. When unbelievers go on the attack, they're fucking it up for everyone else.

so true....

Quote from: deadskinmask on April 28, 2024, 09:53:17 AMi find it ridiculous that you would kill hitler to prevent "the holocaust".... especially since "the holocaust" itself is mathematically impossible.... the "6 million dead" appeared in the 60's.... jewish historian Jacob Markus in the 1950 edition of Encyclopaedia Brittanica wrote it was "thousands of jews" not millions killed.... the World Almanac from 1933 says there was a total of 15,315,350 jews in the world.... and in 1948 there were a total of 15,753,638 jews in the world.... but if you look for these stats today, they direct you to the "holocaust museum" instead.... when you look at "jewish holocaust survivors" serial number tatoos, theres always 6 digits.... if millions were killed, why is there NEVER seven digits??? be careful about "killing hitler".... maybe you should investigate first....  :crampe:

It could have been any number. I get that the likes of Caskur would argue that whatever the number was, that number of people might be saved.

My contention is that in saving those people, other lives would be lost as a consequence. Very likely a larger amount than those that would be saved, effectively making the Caskur's of this world a greater evil than Hitler. That is the thrust of my argument.

Maybe that's what she is aiming for. Insanely jellie of the angry mustache model's kill to wound ratio (inflated as it assuredly is since he actually did very little killing himself), she yearns to trump him in the genocide stakes. That would actually make a lot of sense.

When she hears the totals attributed to Stalin and Chaiman Mao, I've no doubt she will squirt.

Quote from: Frood on April 28, 2024, 01:21:44 PMThe Treaty of Versailles created Nazi Germany...

Actually it goes back a lot further... as far as King Henry II in fact. The Treaty of Versailles was merely the precursor to Nazi Germany, England was on a course to fuck with Germany long before that.


https://lotuseaters.com/what-happened-to-the-british-empire-or-with-apostolic-majesty-28-02-24


I was listening to the above discussion between Carl Benjamin and Apostolic Majesty regarding the fall of British Empire, the reasons why it happened (including the US's part in the affair et al). I'm going to give it another couple of listens as there is a lot to unpack, but they do pick apart the empire's policies and discuss how one event paved the way for the next. The Treaty of Versailles was one step of many in the chain that led to Nazi Germany, indicating that there was plenty of Brits hands bloodied in the affair.

Most people here won't have the stomach for it (it's nearly two hours long for one thing) but you might. As I indicated, I think it's worth taking another crack at it for my own understanding and not just for the whys and wherefores of WW2. I also plan on checking out Apostlic Majesty's channel, fucker has done his homework and I figure I could do a lot worse than to dive in to his research to expand my own horizons.

Quote from: caskur on April 29, 2024, 08:48:32 AMI see Dumm Sums sock accounts are artificially tampering with the poll.

I have but one account at this forum. Not sure if it has the perms to screw with poll numbers and I'm not about to login to find out due to the reasons I have stated before.

Besides, as I explained to you previously, the number of people who agree or disagree with the question is immaterial. Ending a life, even one that is destined to end other lives and especially one that is of no threat to you is morally wrong and ought be repudiated. The only pass you get is self defense and even then it should be exercised only as the last resort.

@Biggie Smiles - you are more than welcome to confirm to Chuckles here that I indeed only have one account. I don't particularly feel like her working herself into a tizzy from seeing me in every shadow serves any purpose, particularly not if she ends up having a heart attack over it. She is "vaccinated" you know, a little compassion for the old biddie would not go astray.

Thanks.

Quote from: Lokmar on April 29, 2024, 09:40:44 AMAnd you're free to believe that all the way into the hell you dont believe in.

God is the entire basis for our government and rights. When unbelievers go on the attack, they're fucking it up for everyone else.

I'm agnostic, not atheist. With so many competing variants of the fairytales, I've settled on my ignorance as a baseline.