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Posted by cc
 - December 02, 2021, 09:03:36 PM
We do not disagree on this much:

I'm of the opinion this likely will never go away, just as flu despite many vaccinations has not gone away



I think the best we can do is reduce the possibility of catching it and decreasing symptoms, just as for flu



My biggest fear is more viruses by accident or as a weapon by design (thinking mainly of China here)





I also agree that we cannot know exact  % of infections (vaxxed vs unvaxxed) as some weak cases likely do not report (Note. That applies to all)



- However, Hospitalizations we already have the data (that's easy stuff) thus do know ... and ratio is very large .

Same for ICUs where ratio is even double that  .. and similarly we have the data

(Am I disgusted with those who fill hospitals so that others cannot get potentially life-saving operations because the selfish unwashed are filling beds in both areas of Hospitals - You bet I am!!

and you cannot take away my right to be beyond discussed with those selfish twatwhaffles causing this)

Oh, I know, "principles" make that OK





We will never agree on my right to decrease my risk substantially by going to bars & restaurants etc. free from the unwashed.

I see you never allowing me to do that if the decision was yours .. rather you would take away that right from me (and most others - approx. 92% of the people in my area .. all the time feeling all justified in doing so)



However, your opinion on that is of no matter. Decision is not yours.

I can, .... do ....  and will continue to do so

Do I feel a bit sad for the unwashed who cannot? No .. not one bit .... perhaps if they stopped preventing many important operations, I'd feel a tad sad for them .. maybe ..  so long as they stay the fk out of my bar / restaurant  :wink:
Posted by Bricktop
 - December 02, 2021, 06:56:02 PM
We are not in disagreement. Vaccinated people are less likely to transmit the disease, primarily because the period during which they are infectious is shorter than for the unvaccinated.



Nonetheless, they can carry and transmit the disease.



Now, in the overall context of where you and I differ, nothing in any data indicates that the disease will be eradicated. As we know, new variants are appearing and will continue to do so. And they will ALL possess different characterisitics and traits. Vaccination is not a cure, and there may never be one.



Thus, our disagreement is on the social cost of heavy handed and ineffective government mandates that breach our basic human rights. Compulsory vaccinations. Domestic passports. We will, in a very real sense, have to be registered and innoculated like dogs.



People are going to die, especially those that have made a choice about being vaccinated. Just like those who use narcotics. The same as those who choose to smoke. Just like those who engage in sports where death is possible.



We make choices because that is our RIGHT. Taking that away from us increases government power and control that may well never be lifted.



And they do NOT have that right.
Posted by cc
 - December 02, 2021, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=429050 time=1638417236 user_id=1560
I'm not knocking the principle of being vaccinated. Do it. But the premise that being vaccinated stops the spread is not established by the data at hand.

You keep using the word "stops" which I find disingenuous in its application. For the umpteenth time the premise was never to "stop", rather it was to "reduce" .. obviously better than doing nothing



I won't go into "improving one's odds" yet again as that keeps getting ignored .. or something  :confused1:
Posted by Anonymous
 - December 02, 2021, 02:15:25 PM
Just a crazy conspirator passing through. Dont bother reading if you're a vaxhole.......





A long lost of concidences....



1) 33-year-old professional dancer Santo Giuliano suffers a heart attack.



2) Soccer player Jalen Leavey dies.



3) Soccer player Tirrell Williams dies.



4) Soccer player Okafor Kelechi dies.



5) Soccer player Lee Moisés dies.



6) Footballer Stephen Sylvester dies.



7) Footballer Emmanual Antwi dies.



8) Soccer player Cayetano Nsofor dies.



9) Footballer Moira Claire Arney dies.



10) Baseball pitcher Andrew Roseman dies.



11) Footballer Nickolas Lawrinas dies.



12) Soccer player Miquel Lugo dies.



13) Soccer player Devon DuHart dies.



14) Footballer Ivan Hicks dies.



15) Footballer Joe Bradshaw dies.



16) Footballer Drake Geiger dies.



17) Soccer player Joshua Ivory dies.



18) Footballer Quandarius Wilbur dies.



19) Footballer Dimitri McKee dies.



20) Rugby player Dave Hyde dies.



21) Baseball player Yusuke Kinoshita dies.



22) Olympic cyclist Olivia Podmore dies.



23) Sprinter Cameron Burell dies.



24) Gilbert Kwemoi's Chinese Olympic champion dies.



25) Former footballer Franck Berrier dies.



26) Belgian footballer Jente Van Genechten suffers from cardiac arrest.



27) The Venezuelan marathon champion Alexaida Guedez dies.



28) José dos Reis, 29 years old, collapses in the field and has to be resurrected.



29) Diego Ferchaud suffers a cardiac arrest.



30) ASV Baden's Austrian player collapses on the field and has to be revived.



31) 16-year-old soccer player in Bergamo suffers cardiac arrest.



32) 27-year-old Belgian footballer Jens De Smet dies.



33) 13-year-old soccer player suffers a heart attack on the field.



34) Soccer player Dylan Rich dies.



35) Birati Club Münster player suffers cardiac arrest.



36) Abou Ali collapses with cardiac arrest.



37) Ice hockey player Sebastiaan Bos dies.



38) Former NFL pro Parys Haralson dies.



39) Soccer player Francis Perron dies.



40) 19-year-old FC Nantes soccer player suffers cardiac arrest.



41) Germany volleyball coach Traktor Divitz dies.



42) Shrewsbury forward Ryan Bowman treated with defibrillator during the game.



43) Goalkeeper Lukas Bommer dies.



44) Professional footballer Fellipe de Jesus Moreira suffers a double heart attack.



45) Cycling champion Gianni dies.



46) English Helen Byrne with heart problems has to be removed from the field at the World Cup.



47) Germany's team leader Dietmar Gladow dies.



48) German goalkeeper Bruno Stein dies at the age of 15.



49) USA 14-year-old soccer player Ava Azzopardi collapses into a coma.



50) 12-year-old Jayson Kidd dies after collapsing during basketball practice in the US.



51) Robert Lima dies of a heart attack in Uruguay and a few hours later his wife dies.



52) Bodybuilder George Peterson dies.



53) The former champion of Kick Boxing Acero Cali dies.



54) Mr. Olympia Shawn Rhoden dies.



55) Italian footballer Giuseppe Perrino dies on the field
Posted by Anonymous
 - December 02, 2021, 06:14:23 AM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=429050 time=1638417236 user_id=1560
But the operative word there is "reported" cases.



This is a biased sample.



To obtain a more empirical sample you must test a population that has no bias.



I'm not knocking the principle of being vaccinated. Do it. But the premise that being vaccinated stops the spread is not established by the data at hand.

It slows the spread among the vaccinated..



Most people in my province have been tested at least once..



The results indicate that those that test positive are much less likely to be vaccinated.
Posted by cc
 - December 02, 2021, 01:36:49 AM
y'ok
Posted by Bricktop
 - December 01, 2021, 10:53:56 PM
But the operative word there is "reported" cases.



This is a biased sample.



To obtain a more empirical sample you must test a population that has no bias.



I'm not knocking the principle of being vaccinated. Do it. But the premise that being vaccinated stops the spread is not established by the data at hand.
Posted by cc
 - December 01, 2021, 10:49:45 PM
It's the total of all known new reported  BC cases over 1 week for cases & over 2 weeks for all hospitalized  



Sample is from entire population over those time periods



But Fash is right - Only memes count.
Posted by Anonymous
 - December 01, 2021, 10:07:14 PM
This one is for the vaxholes.....





Posted by Anonymous
 - December 01, 2021, 10:02:12 PM
Quote from: Herman post_id=429039 time=1638413532 user_id=1689
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=429033 time=1638413152 user_id=3254
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=429026 time=1638411788 user_id=1560
But what does that mean! That is the important question. Citing numbers is just quoting mathematics. The real trick in using statistics is putting meaning to the numbers.

It means that vaccines offer protection from the worst of COVID.

And Ceec's stats show some proof they protect people from getting the virus too.

Only memes count.

 :laugh:
Posted by Anonymous
 - December 01, 2021, 09:59:58 PM
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=429002 time=1638408242 user_id=3254
Quote from: "Dont be a Vaxhole" post_id=428963 time=1638384000
Quote from: cc post_id=428440 time=1638050054 user_id=88
That's good



Here conspiracists have a free reign ... but never as it is now with their covid imaginations running wild


You're the biggest vaxhole on this site. Here, have some treats.....





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I've been thinking about you..



It's nice to see to see you again.

 ac_smile


That obvious huh? lol
Posted by Bricktop
 - December 01, 2021, 09:59:39 PM
I don't disagree.



But those stats are completely dependent on the sample population they were taken from, and it's pretty clear they're only collected from positive test data.



That is a biased sample, which means that conclusions drawn from it are reduced in reliability and certainty.
Posted by Anonymous
 - December 01, 2021, 09:56:45 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=429026 time=1638411788 user_id=1560
But what does that mean! That is the important question. Citing numbers is just quoting mathematics. The real trick in using statistics is putting meaning to the numbers.


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Posted by Anonymous
 - December 01, 2021, 09:55:41 PM
Quote from: cc post_id=429006 time=1638409223 user_id=88
Cheap Memes  :roll:



Today's BC Update



Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Nov. 23-29)    

Not vaccinated: 180.6

Fully vaccinated: 22.6

~8/1



Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Nov. 16-29)

Not vaccinated: 36.4

Fully vaccinated: 1.9

~20/1



Better dig deeper into those conspiracy sites for more scientific info ... err . . I mean Hokey Memes  



I'll get you a shovel


So you have 80 some percent vaxxed, how come the "not vaxxed" stat is so high, if so many of y'all vaxxed, hmmmm?



Cause unless you've seen this happening, you're just spouting numbers you read on a screen.
Posted by Anonymous
 - December 01, 2021, 09:52:12 PM
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=429033 time=1638413152 user_id=3254
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=429026 time=1638411788 user_id=1560
But what does that mean! That is the important question. Citing numbers is just quoting mathematics. The real trick in using statistics is putting meaning to the numbers.

It means that vaccines offer protection from the worst of COVID.

And Ceec's stats show some proof they protect people from getting the virus too.