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Posted by DKG
- Today at 10:10:03 AMAlberta's frustration with a decade of Liberal-NDP policies that have cost the province over half a trillion dollars in investment and countless jobs by blocking pipelines, imposing production caps, and driving away global investment.
All of this while that province sends $20 billion to other provinces that bite the hand that feeds them.
An American state would have voted to leave long ago if Washington strangled them the way Ottawa has Alberta.
All of this while that province sends $20 billion to other provinces that bite the hand that feeds them.
An American state would have voted to leave long ago if Washington strangled them the way Ottawa has Alberta.
Posted by DKG
- Today at 09:55:12 AMQuote from: Shen Li on Today at 01:32:47 AMGawd help the US if they admit anything East of Manitoba.Canada will collapse without Alberta. That province has an oversized contribution to confederation. For Canada to continue another province will have to pick up the slack. BC would become the richest province, but their resource base is not enough to support buying seats in Quebec.
Canada would ask to be admitted to the US out of necessity. Most of Canada's economy is a basket case and they would be of no benefit to the US.
Politically, it would be good for the Dems and the admission of all of Canada would make that party a permanent governing one like the Grits are in Canada.
Quebec would almost certainly become an independent state out of cultural survival.
Posted by JOE
- Today at 06:56:24 AMQuote from: Shen Li on Today at 01:32:47 AMGawd help the US if they admit anything East of Manitoba.
Saskatchewan has a Great Economy with plenty of job openings.
Trouble is, nobody wants to move there Shen Li
Shen.Saskatchewan is about the only place global warming seems to have forgotten. Its actually getting colder there.
Posted by Shen Li
- Today at 01:32:47 AMQuote from: Herman on May 09, 2025, 03:22:53 PMIf both prarie provinces exit, Canada will be begging the US to admit them. And if the democRATs control the White House and congress, they will make that happen.Gawd help the US if they admit anything East of Manitoba.
Posted by Herman
- May 10, 2025, 06:46:30 PMOur premier, Scott Moe would make a good Republican governor of the new great state of Albertchewan.
Posted by Herman
- May 09, 2025, 03:41:36 PMAlberta's NDP are frickin sleazebags.
Posted by Herman
- May 09, 2025, 03:22:53 PMQuote from: Shen Li on May 08, 2025, 08:20:58 PMAlberta could be the richest jurisdiction in the world if they leave Canada.If both prarie provinces exit, Canada will be begging the US to admit them. And if the democRATs control the White House and congress, they will make that happen.
It doesn't matter if they became a US state or independent. Either option makes Albertans a lot richer and freer. Canada on the other hand would be desperately poor.
Posted by .
- May 09, 2025, 06:15:42 AMQuote from: DKG on May 07, 2025, 09:53:17 AMThe NDP collapsed across Canada. Their seven seats do not even give them official party status. The Green Party vote was down too.The NDP were going after the middle class lefty vote in 2015, having abandoned their friendlier stance towards the welfare basket cases, so yes - they were dividing the boat then, And yes, it would appear they lost their quest to win over the middle class and lost their traditional base in the process. Aesop's "Dog With Two Bones" and all that.
That is terrible news for the Conservatives if Canada becomes a two party state with all the leftists under the Liberal tent. In a centre-left country like Canada, the corrupt Liberals are a permanent governing party.
The Greens... yeah... I'm not surprised they are losing ground. The tree hugging hippie movement of the 1960s has aged out and is getting down to the business of pushing up daisies at this point. Explains why they are shifting their focus towards neutering the human population in so many jurisdictions.
However, there is an upside to this you might have missed. Take a look at the US democrat party; they've already become the rallying point for an innumerable count of disparate activist movements, so much so that the level of internal bickering about policies to suit the various movements that at the last election there was only one thing they could all agree on; namely "orangeman bad". Anything else they might have shoehorned in as genuine policy ran the risk of offending enough of their voter base and they couldn't risk that. The Liberal Party in Canada will likely fall prey to similar political ennui if they subsume any more "fringe interests" and you will doubtless find more of the Canadian electorate voting conservative as a result.
You have to ask yourself if you want those people voting alongside you for your ridings. Knowing a good number of them are activistic crybabies, I'd suggest you wouldn't want them dragging the conservative party any further left than it is already, because the average conservative has demonstrated a willingness to "go along to get along" to the left. You need to get as loud as the left I suspect... louder even. Yeah, it's not something you want to do, but then neither is being forced to live as some filthy leftie commie animal either.
Posted by Shen Li
- May 08, 2025, 08:20:58 PMQuote from: Herman on May 08, 2025, 03:55:44 PMChatGPT estimates Albertans pay about $20 BILLION / year more to Ottawa than we get from Ottawa. If Ottawa gave back that $20 Billion they take from us every year instead of transfers to Quebec, etc., then Alberta could cut personal tax rates to ZERO, with billions to spare! This is like 9 US states (Texas, South Dakota, Wyoming, etc.) who do not have to subsidize the rest of a country.Alberta could be the richest jurisdiction in the world if they leave Canada.
It doesn't matter if they became a US state or independent. Either option makes Albertans a lot richer and freer. Canada on the other hand would be desperately poor.
Posted by JOE
- May 08, 2025, 04:15:20 PMThe NDP fell on it's own sword because of mismanagement & faulty party procedures. Its self evident that certain groups stacked the membership which allowed an unpopular leader to get elected.
They need massive reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again. Even their interim leader Don Davies would have been a better choice than Jagmeet Singh.
The NDP went from over 100 seats to less than 10 over the years. That's a 10 fold decrease in parliamentary representation.
They need massive reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again. Even their interim leader Don Davies would have been a better choice than Jagmeet Singh.
The NDP went from over 100 seats to less than 10 over the years. That's a 10 fold decrease in parliamentary representation.
Posted by Herman
- May 08, 2025, 03:56:50 PM
Posted by Herman
- May 08, 2025, 03:55:44 PMChatGPT estimates Albertans pay about $20 BILLION / year more to Ottawa than we get from Ottawa. If Ottawa gave back that $20 Billion they take from us every year instead of transfers to Quebec, etc., then Alberta could cut personal tax rates to ZERO, with billions to spare! This is like 9 US states (Texas, South Dakota, Wyoming, etc.) who do not have to subsidize the rest of a country.
Posted by Herman
- May 08, 2025, 03:42:29 PMSmith laid out exactly what Ottawa has done and why it can't continue.
✘ Pipelines blocked and major energy projects cancelled by Ottawa
✘ Carbon taxes and production caps driving investment out of Alberta
✘ Net-zero power mandates putting Alberta's grid at risk
✘ New federal rules and taxes punishing farmers and ranchers
✘ Interference in healthcare, child care, and other provincial services
✘ Courts ignored and the Constitution pushed aside
Premier Smith made one thing clear — Alberta didn't pick this fight, but we will finish it and come out of it stronger and more prosperous than ever.
✘ Pipelines blocked and major energy projects cancelled by Ottawa
✘ Carbon taxes and production caps driving investment out of Alberta
✘ Net-zero power mandates putting Alberta's grid at risk
✘ New federal rules and taxes punishing farmers and ranchers
✘ Interference in healthcare, child care, and other provincial services
✘ Courts ignored and the Constitution pushed aside
Premier Smith made one thing clear — Alberta didn't pick this fight, but we will finish it and come out of it stronger and more prosperous than ever.
Posted by DKG
- May 07, 2025, 09:53:17 AMQuote from: . on May 07, 2025, 04:37:38 AMThe NDP did lose a fair bit of support in the last election though. I assumed it was partly a function of NDP voters recognizing their party couldn't make the nut at the federal level and that they anticipated the liberals were about to be handed their asses too. That was certainly the sentiment in Ottawa around 2015, I know a few NDP supporters that dropped Angry Tommy to throw cast their vote for Trudeaup.The NDP collapsed across Canada. Their seven seats do not even give them official party status. The Green Party vote was down too.
I'd be interested to see if buyers remorse shifts MB sentiment towards secession, particularly after Carnage's recent White House meeting with Trump. Guaranteed access to international waters would be teriffic, especially when it comes to oil exports, so having Manitoba on board would be ideal. But it's not a dealbreaker if you don't get it. I should think even in the absence of formal inclusion into the union you'd still be able to get some decent trade deals going with the US, far superior than the ones you currently enjoy with Canada at any rate... and being included in the US improves matters immeasurably.
That is terrible news for the Conservatives if Canada becomes a two party state with all the leftists under the Liberal tent. In a centre-left country like Canada, the corrupt Liberals are a permanent governing party.
Posted by .
- May 07, 2025, 04:37:38 AMQuote from: Herman on May 05, 2025, 07:07:19 PMThe Southern suburbs of Winnipeg down to the US border are prairie conservatives. There is widespread support for leaving Canada.The NDP did lose a fair bit of support in the last election though. I assumed it was partly a function of NDP voters recognizing their party couldn't make the nut at the federal level and that they anticipated the liberals were about to be handed their asses too. That was certainly the sentiment in Ottawa around 2015, I know a few NDP supporters that dropped Angry Tommy to throw cast their vote for Trudeaup.
The rest of the province is NDP/Liberal. It's too bad because all of Manitoba would give us access to international waters.
I'd be interested to see if buyers remorse shifts MB sentiment towards secession, particularly after Carnage's recent White House meeting with Trump. Guaranteed access to international waters would be teriffic, especially when it comes to oil exports, so having Manitoba on board would be ideal. But it's not a dealbreaker if you don't get it. I should think even in the absence of formal inclusion into the union you'd still be able to get some decent trade deals going with the US, far superior than the ones you currently enjoy with Canada at any rate... and being included in the US improves matters immeasurably.