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Posted by Shen Li
- May 12, 2025, 10:34:26 PMA Nanos Research poll points to a generational divide. Younger Albertans are less likely than their parents or grandparents to believe being part of Canada would be better for Alberta's economy. Alberta is a young province, the youngest in Canada
Posted by Shen Li
- May 12, 2025, 10:13:35 PMQuote from: Herman on May 12, 2025, 07:12:05 PMEzra Levant said it well on X today:There is so much fucking hypocrisy in Canada. Your federal election did a lot more harm to Canadian prosperity than tariffs on aluminum and dairy products ffs.
I've been in Toronto for a while, but I'm still Albertan enough to think I understand what's going on. Let me translate for my fellow Easterners.
Remember how you felt when Donald Trump put tariffs on your prestige industries in a manner that seemed unfair and irrational? And rational or not, it hurt your economy and cost you jobs? And how do you feel, knowing that Trump is still vowing to move Canada's car and steel industries to the U.S.?
Remember how you felt that your own political autonomy and sovereignty was being challenged by the proposal to become a 51st state? That it felt like an "indecent proposal"? And even if it was just an empty taunt, it showed disrespect -- like if a stranger made a marriage proposal to someone who was already married?
Well, Ottawa has been doing that to Alberta for generations. And it's been rewarded election after election by Ontario and Quebec voters. If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on the support of Paul.
Donald Trump has an excuse: his job is America First. Nothing else matters. What's Mark Carney's excuse? What's Canada's excuse?
Trump imposed tariffs on us, typically 10% or 25%. Ottawa blocked Alberta and Saskatchewan pipelines, banned tankers, required a "gender analysis" on new industrial projects, imposed a production cap and threatened to "transition" the industry (i.e., shut it down).
That's like a 100% tariff -- it's a veto.
Alberta and Saskatchewan voted for a grand total of three Liberal MPs. But Alberta and Saskatchewan are not the deciders. They're just the people who keep paying the bills for the whole country.
You're about to see something very interesting. In the last Quebec referendum, the entire Canadian establishment sent a message: we love you, please come back, we'll work it out within Canada. Quebec received countless political, economic and constitutional favours -- plus a lot of cash.
You might even say that Quebec separatism has been a sham for decades: it's just a good cop/bad cop way of fleecing Alberta. It's not serious. It's the permanent revolution. It's theatrical. What is more revealing than Bloc Québécois MPs collecting their Parliamentary pensions?
But watch for the opposite towards Alberta. There's a genuine hatred towards Alberta, and Alberta-ness. The only Albertans respected by the CBC are underminers, like Naheed Nenshi and Rachel Notley, who promised to destroy the industry from the inside. Albertans with Alberta-ness are shunned, demonized, mocked, attacked. Look at how the CBC has tried to destroy Danielle Smith. She was the only female premier in Canada for years; normally she'd be a CBC favourite on DEI grounds alone. But she's the "wrong" kind of woman, she's too Albertan, so they hate her and lie about her daily.
But buckle up now. Every national media company, every national corporation, every bank, every NGO, every "community activist" will be deployed to denigrate and smear Albertans who are just tired of Ottawa's war on the west.
Again, if you're from Toronto or Montreal and need help imagining things, picture Trump-style taxes, tariffs, and other economic warfare for 40 years -- going back to the National Energy Program of the 1980s, and even earlier.
All from your own country.
Albertan's aren't even angry. They're just done.
Friendly tip: if you're a politician or journalist using the same language you did with the trucker convoy ("you're racist"; "you're a fringe minority with unacceptable views"; "you're a crackpot"), you're not trying to persuade, you're demonstrating that you hate Alberta, or at least Alberta-ness, too.
It's an interesting Venn diagram: the people who called for a "Team Canada" approach and who promised to end internal trade barriers are the same ones denigrating Albertans who are asking for an end to Ottawa's sanctions. (And what is a pipeline ban, other than a non-tariff barrier?)
The Canadian establishment demonized Trump as a bully, an economic illiterate and an unreliable friend and ally. They are all of those things and worse towards Albertans. At least Trump kept telling Canada he "cherished" us, as he shook us down. Carney, Trudeau, Guilbeault -- they genuinely hate Alberta, and it shows.
Posted by Herman
- May 12, 2025, 08:48:17 PMThe former leader of the opposition said it. Conman Carney will be the last prime minister of Canada.
Preston Manning made it clear that the biggest threat to Canada is not President Trump, it's Western dissatisfaction with Canada.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUpfmcliD3g
Preston Manning made it clear that the biggest threat to Canada is not President Trump, it's Western dissatisfaction with Canada.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUpfmcliD3g
Posted by Herman
- May 12, 2025, 07:12:05 PMEzra Levant said it well on X today:
I've been in Toronto for a while, but I'm still Albertan enough to think I understand what's going on. Let me translate for my fellow Easterners.
Remember how you felt when Donald Trump put tariffs on your prestige industries in a manner that seemed unfair and irrational? And rational or not, it hurt your economy and cost you jobs? And how do you feel, knowing that Trump is still vowing to move Canada's car and steel industries to the U.S.?
Remember how you felt that your own political autonomy and sovereignty was being challenged by the proposal to become a 51st state? That it felt like an "indecent proposal"? And even if it was just an empty taunt, it showed disrespect -- like if a stranger made a marriage proposal to someone who was already married?
Well, Ottawa has been doing that to Alberta for generations. And it's been rewarded election after election by Ontario and Quebec voters. If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on the support of Paul.
Donald Trump has an excuse: his job is America First. Nothing else matters. What's Mark Carney's excuse? What's Canada's excuse?
Trump imposed tariffs on us, typically 10% or 25%. Ottawa blocked Alberta and Saskatchewan pipelines, banned tankers, required a "gender analysis" on new industrial projects, imposed a production cap and threatened to "transition" the industry (i.e., shut it down).
That's like a 100% tariff -- it's a veto.
Alberta and Saskatchewan voted for a grand total of three Liberal MPs. But Alberta and Saskatchewan are not the deciders. They're just the people who keep paying the bills for the whole country.
You're about to see something very interesting. In the last Quebec referendum, the entire Canadian establishment sent a message: we love you, please come back, we'll work it out within Canada. Quebec received countless political, economic and constitutional favours -- plus a lot of cash.
You might even say that Quebec separatism has been a sham for decades: it's just a good cop/bad cop way of fleecing Alberta. It's not serious. It's the permanent revolution. It's theatrical. What is more revealing than Bloc Québécois MPs collecting their Parliamentary pensions?
But watch for the opposite towards Alberta. There's a genuine hatred towards Alberta, and Alberta-ness. The only Albertans respected by the CBC are underminers, like Naheed Nenshi and Rachel Notley, who promised to destroy the industry from the inside. Albertans with Alberta-ness are shunned, demonized, mocked, attacked. Look at how the CBC has tried to destroy Danielle Smith. She was the only female premier in Canada for years; normally she'd be a CBC favourite on DEI grounds alone. But she's the "wrong" kind of woman, she's too Albertan, so they hate her and lie about her daily.
But buckle up now. Every national media company, every national corporation, every bank, every NGO, every "community activist" will be deployed to denigrate and smear Albertans who are just tired of Ottawa's war on the west.
Again, if you're from Toronto or Montreal and need help imagining things, picture Trump-style taxes, tariffs, and other economic warfare for 40 years -- going back to the National Energy Program of the 1980s, and even earlier.
All from your own country.
Albertan's aren't even angry. They're just done.
Friendly tip: if you're a politician or journalist using the same language you did with the trucker convoy ("you're racist"; "you're a fringe minority with unacceptable views"; "you're a crackpot"), you're not trying to persuade, you're demonstrating that you hate Alberta, or at least Alberta-ness, too.
It's an interesting Venn diagram: the people who called for a "Team Canada" approach and who promised to end internal trade barriers are the same ones denigrating Albertans who are asking for an end to Ottawa's sanctions. (And what is a pipeline ban, other than a non-tariff barrier?)
The Canadian establishment demonized Trump as a bully, an economic illiterate and an unreliable friend and ally. They are all of those things and worse towards Albertans. At least Trump kept telling Canada he "cherished" us, as he shook us down. Carney, Trudeau, Guilbeault -- they genuinely hate Alberta, and it shows.
I've been in Toronto for a while, but I'm still Albertan enough to think I understand what's going on. Let me translate for my fellow Easterners.
Remember how you felt when Donald Trump put tariffs on your prestige industries in a manner that seemed unfair and irrational? And rational or not, it hurt your economy and cost you jobs? And how do you feel, knowing that Trump is still vowing to move Canada's car and steel industries to the U.S.?
Remember how you felt that your own political autonomy and sovereignty was being challenged by the proposal to become a 51st state? That it felt like an "indecent proposal"? And even if it was just an empty taunt, it showed disrespect -- like if a stranger made a marriage proposal to someone who was already married?
Well, Ottawa has been doing that to Alberta for generations. And it's been rewarded election after election by Ontario and Quebec voters. If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on the support of Paul.
Donald Trump has an excuse: his job is America First. Nothing else matters. What's Mark Carney's excuse? What's Canada's excuse?
Trump imposed tariffs on us, typically 10% or 25%. Ottawa blocked Alberta and Saskatchewan pipelines, banned tankers, required a "gender analysis" on new industrial projects, imposed a production cap and threatened to "transition" the industry (i.e., shut it down).
That's like a 100% tariff -- it's a veto.
Alberta and Saskatchewan voted for a grand total of three Liberal MPs. But Alberta and Saskatchewan are not the deciders. They're just the people who keep paying the bills for the whole country.
You're about to see something very interesting. In the last Quebec referendum, the entire Canadian establishment sent a message: we love you, please come back, we'll work it out within Canada. Quebec received countless political, economic and constitutional favours -- plus a lot of cash.
You might even say that Quebec separatism has been a sham for decades: it's just a good cop/bad cop way of fleecing Alberta. It's not serious. It's the permanent revolution. It's theatrical. What is more revealing than Bloc Québécois MPs collecting their Parliamentary pensions?
But watch for the opposite towards Alberta. There's a genuine hatred towards Alberta, and Alberta-ness. The only Albertans respected by the CBC are underminers, like Naheed Nenshi and Rachel Notley, who promised to destroy the industry from the inside. Albertans with Alberta-ness are shunned, demonized, mocked, attacked. Look at how the CBC has tried to destroy Danielle Smith. She was the only female premier in Canada for years; normally she'd be a CBC favourite on DEI grounds alone. But she's the "wrong" kind of woman, she's too Albertan, so they hate her and lie about her daily.
But buckle up now. Every national media company, every national corporation, every bank, every NGO, every "community activist" will be deployed to denigrate and smear Albertans who are just tired of Ottawa's war on the west.
Again, if you're from Toronto or Montreal and need help imagining things, picture Trump-style taxes, tariffs, and other economic warfare for 40 years -- going back to the National Energy Program of the 1980s, and even earlier.
All from your own country.
Albertan's aren't even angry. They're just done.
Friendly tip: if you're a politician or journalist using the same language you did with the trucker convoy ("you're racist"; "you're a fringe minority with unacceptable views"; "you're a crackpot"), you're not trying to persuade, you're demonstrating that you hate Alberta, or at least Alberta-ness, too.
It's an interesting Venn diagram: the people who called for a "Team Canada" approach and who promised to end internal trade barriers are the same ones denigrating Albertans who are asking for an end to Ottawa's sanctions. (And what is a pipeline ban, other than a non-tariff barrier?)
The Canadian establishment demonized Trump as a bully, an economic illiterate and an unreliable friend and ally. They are all of those things and worse towards Albertans. At least Trump kept telling Canada he "cherished" us, as he shook us down. Carney, Trudeau, Guilbeault -- they genuinely hate Alberta, and it shows.
Posted by Herman
- May 12, 2025, 07:00:07 PMFirst Scott Moe and now Danielle Smith.
Posted by JOE
- May 12, 2025, 11:07:20 AMQuote from: Herman on May 11, 2025, 10:51:00 PMLet's talk about Justine's impact on Alberta's economy:
• He praised the cancellation of Keystone XL.
Trudeau may have been incompetent on many issues, but he didn't praise the cancellation of Keystone XL hey Herman
Herm.That was entirely Biden's doing:
https://youtu.be/IXZ6ml0j5gY?si=en8xMvZ1wcv4JCWq
Trudeau wanted it but the left leaning Democrats in the US told Biden to cancel it.
Posted by DKG
- May 12, 2025, 09:25:10 AMQuote from: Shen Li on May 12, 2025, 12:00:00 AMThe US doesn't rob from Peter to buy Paul's votes like Canada does. You don't see resource rich states getting fucked in the ass like Alberta and Saskatchewan do even when the Democrats are in power.Equalization didn't change even when Harper was in power. To end it would be political suicide.
In the US, it doesn't matter which party is in the White House or congress. They do not throw smaller states under the bus wheels to secure votes in bigger ones as blatantly as Canada does.
It is insanity and a recipe for breaking up a country.
Posted by Shen Li
- May 12, 2025, 12:00:00 AMQuote from: DKG on May 11, 2025, 10:10:03 AMAlberta's frustration with a decade of Liberal-NDP policies that have cost the province over half a trillion dollars in investment and countless jobs by blocking pipelines, imposing production caps, and driving away global investment.The US doesn't rob from Peter to buy Paul's votes like Canada does. You don't see resource rich states getting fucked in the ass like Alberta and Saskatchewan do even when the Democrats are in power.
All of this while that province sends $20 billion to other provinces that bite the hand that feeds them.
An American state would have voted to leave long ago if Washington strangled them the way Ottawa has Alberta.
Posted by Herman
- May 11, 2025, 10:53:23 PMAlberta and Saskatchewan's land is not just resource rich. It is freedom rich. That is what scares Eastern progs.
Posted by Herman
- May 11, 2025, 10:51:00 PMLet's talk about Justine's impact on Alberta's economy:
• He forced the carbon tax on us.
• He passed Bill C-69 — the "no pipelines bill" that scares off investment.
• Bill C-48 — the tanker ban — targets Alberta oil while letting foreign oil tankers come and go in Eastern Canada.
• He backed Bill C-59, another step in restricting resource development.
• He killed Northern Gateway.
• He praised the cancellation of Keystone XL.
• He handed Quebec $10 billion for green hydrogen while blocking Alberta energy projects.
• He pays Quebec equalization from Alberta's pocket — then calls us greedy.
Shall I go on? Because your buddy Trudeau has been sabotaging Alberta's economy for years — and pretending it's all in the name of progress.
The frickin ignorance of Eastern Canadians. Give me Americans anyday than those assholes.
• He forced the carbon tax on us.
• He passed Bill C-69 — the "no pipelines bill" that scares off investment.
• Bill C-48 — the tanker ban — targets Alberta oil while letting foreign oil tankers come and go in Eastern Canada.
• He backed Bill C-59, another step in restricting resource development.
• He killed Northern Gateway.
• He praised the cancellation of Keystone XL.
• He handed Quebec $10 billion for green hydrogen while blocking Alberta energy projects.
• He pays Quebec equalization from Alberta's pocket — then calls us greedy.
Shall I go on? Because your buddy Trudeau has been sabotaging Alberta's economy for years — and pretending it's all in the name of progress.
The frickin ignorance of Eastern Canadians. Give me Americans anyday than those assholes.
Posted by DKG
- May 11, 2025, 10:10:03 AMAlberta's frustration with a decade of Liberal-NDP policies that have cost the province over half a trillion dollars in investment and countless jobs by blocking pipelines, imposing production caps, and driving away global investment.
All of this while that province sends $20 billion to other provinces that bite the hand that feeds them.
An American state would have voted to leave long ago if Washington strangled them the way Ottawa has Alberta.
All of this while that province sends $20 billion to other provinces that bite the hand that feeds them.
An American state would have voted to leave long ago if Washington strangled them the way Ottawa has Alberta.
Posted by DKG
- May 11, 2025, 09:55:12 AMQuote from: Shen Li on May 11, 2025, 01:32:47 AMGawd help the US if they admit anything East of Manitoba.Canada will collapse without Alberta. That province has an oversized contribution to confederation. For Canada to continue another province will have to pick up the slack. BC would become the richest province, but their resource base is not enough to support buying seats in Quebec.
Canada would ask to be admitted to the US out of necessity. Most of Canada's economy is a basket case and they would be of no benefit to the US.
Politically, it would be good for the Dems and the admission of all of Canada would make that party a permanent governing one like the Grits are in Canada.
Quebec would almost certainly become an independent state out of cultural survival.
Posted by JOE
- May 11, 2025, 06:56:24 AMQuote from: Shen Li on May 11, 2025, 01:32:47 AMGawd help the US if they admit anything East of Manitoba.
Saskatchewan has a Great Economy with plenty of job openings.
Trouble is, nobody wants to move there Shen Li
Shen.Saskatchewan is about the only place global warming seems to have forgotten. Its actually getting colder there.
Posted by Shen Li
- May 11, 2025, 01:32:47 AMQuote from: Herman on May 09, 2025, 03:22:53 PMIf both prarie provinces exit, Canada will be begging the US to admit them. And if the democRATs control the White House and congress, they will make that happen.Gawd help the US if they admit anything East of Manitoba.
Posted by Herman
- May 10, 2025, 06:46:30 PMOur premier, Scott Moe would make a good Republican governor of the new great state of Albertchewan.
