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Quote from: Frood on Today at 07:56:31 PMDid the scum attorney smuggle them into the US against their will and physically prevent them from trying to return to their home nations?No of course not. But in many instances he did assure them if they bankrupted themselves putting his kids through college they would become US citizens... that has happened more times than anyone is willing to admit to
If so... perhaps some leniency might apply.
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 05:56:21 PMI'm all for the punishment bro -- fines.. community service etc.
Especially if they can demonstrate they did try the legal route and were swindled by some scum attorney -- in that circumstance not even the fines would be a fare form of justice as they themselves are the biggest victim.
Quote from: Reggie Essent on Today at 07:19:41 PMI touched on this point before. If you have an illegal that has been here for 15-20+ years, you have to ask yourself WHY they have been here that long and taken no steps to naturalize.Not always my friend. I've personally seen illegals get fleeched by scumbag attorneys looking to prey upon the uninformed and vulnerable
I understand your point about the optics of removing people that have been here for decades and woven themselves in to the fabric of our local communities ... but again, you have to ask yourselves why they have been here so long and remained illegal.
Clearly there is some kind of incentive structure that drives this phenomenon that has to be unravelled and corrected. Whether it's scamming from our social safety net programs, free health care at the nearest emergency room, free education for their kids or simply dodging taxation, there is obviously some benefit that long term illegals are taking advantage of by remaining illegal.
These incentives must be identified and removed. In the meantime, yes the optics will look bad when Juan the friendly gardener gets swept up in an ICE raid or the Tamale Lady who has sold tamales on the same street corner for 20 years gets deported, but by now I'm quite sure these kinds of people have all heard that if they self-deport they can get on the list to return legally - and even get a few grand to help them through.
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 12:39:59 PMSo when we see a guy here for 15 years who has NEVER broken a law. NEVER availed himself of public assistance. Contributed positively to our economy in the form of hard labor, and in some instances even contributed to a social safety net he can never benefit from we cannot provision for him an expedited path to legal citizenship while holding him accountable for his past infraction in the form of a fine? that's not possible for a few thousand people at most?
Quote from: . on Today at 05:10:32 PMPeople... people... slow your flow for a moment.
What was the hot news this time last week, anyone remember? I seem to recall something about a ten trillion dollar fraud that the state governor of Minnesota was implicated in. Quite damaging for leftist aspirations of a solid turnout of dem voters in the midterms I imagine.
This is what is known as never letting a good crisis go to waste. Tampon Tim was on the ropes, his political aspirations of a third term of governor well and truly in the toilet. No redemption arc. You cannot tell me with a straight face that the democrat elites aren't jubilant that 'Nae Good's carcass breathed its last when it did, it's a heaven sent excuse to moralfag all over the place. Screaming "nazis" at the tops of their voices to drown out any reports of their money laundering operations with the Somalis.
I noticed something else; this happened five years and a day after Ashli Babbitt, a war veteran, was shot in the head by a capitol police officer as she was pushed through a door up in DC. More than one leftist twat has been heard to remark what an idiot she was for finding herself in such a position, even as recently as the day before 'Nae took it into her head to commit multiple felonies and attempt to evade arrest in Minnesota. A little consistency wouldn't go astray here, don't you think?
Donald Trump was elected precisely because the lion's share of the electorate wanted an end to the rampant corruption and mismanagement of the Democrat criminal class. Drawing down of the opportunities for electoral fraud and the ongoing destruction of the average American citizen's prosperity by expiditing the removal of illegal aliens is part and parcel of that mandate.
I don't care if a muff-gobbling mother of three (two of whom which were not in her care) decides to matyr herself for their cause. She could have exited the car when told to and still be alive today. In fact she could have simply not shown up and had more or less the same result.
She didn't, she's dead. Good shit. Let her example shine on for any other cretin who decides to FAFO in front of designated officers carrying out the will of the American people.
Especially anyone that seeks to profit to the tune of ten trillion dollars of US taxpayer money.
Quote from: Dove on Today at 02:26:03 PMI voted for democrats up until Obama.
When I vote I pay attention. I regretted my Obama vote in 2008 within his first term.
And when I rightfully criticized the terrible shit he was doing, and his gross smugness....other Obama voters would dog pile me.
At first it shocked me, I wasnt prepared for that. I was niave and believed people actually cared. I learned fast it was about power and control.
And ive been a right wing extremist ever since.
Im used to not having the popular opinion in the room and ill stand on my convictions even at the threat of harm. Im not someone to be bullied. Especially when it comes to the welfare and prosperity and dignity of the USA.
All this marxist garbage started a long time ago and its really come into itself now. It's a horrifying shame.
Quote from: . on Today at 05:10:32 PMPeople... people... slow your flow for a moment.
What was the hot news this time last week, anyone remember? I seem to recall something about a ten trillion dollar fraud that the state governor of Minnesota was implicated in. Quite damaging for leftist aspirations of a solid turnout of dem voters in the midterms I imagine.
This is what is known as never letting a good crisis go to waste. Tampon Tim was on the ropes, his political aspirations of a third term of governor well and truly in the toilet. No redemption arc. You cannot tell me with a straight face that the democrat elites aren't jubilant that 'Nae Good's carcass breathed its last when it did, it's a heaven sent excuse to moralfag all over the place. Screaming "nazis" at the tops of their voices to drown out any reports of their money laundering operations with the Somalis.
I noticed something else; this happened five years and a day after Ashli Babbitt, a war veteran, was shot in the head by a capitol police officer as she was pushed through a door up in DC. More than one leftist twat has been heard to remark what an idiot she was for finding herself in such a position, even as recently as the day before 'Nae took it into her head to commit multiple felonies and attempt to evade arrest in Minnesota. A little consistency wouldn't go astray here, don't you think?
Donald Trump was elected precisely because the lion's share of the electorate wanted an end to the rampant corruption and mismanagement of the Democrat criminal class. Drawing down of the opportunities for electoral fraud and the ongoing destruction of the average American citizen's prosperity by expiditing the removal of illegal aliens is part and parcel of that mandate.
I don't care if a muff-gobbling mother of three (two of whom which were not in her care) decides to matyr herself for their cause. She could have exited the car when told to and still be alive today. In fact she could have simply not shown up and had more or less the same result.
She didn't, she's dead. Good shit. Let her example shine on for any other cretin who decides to FAFO in front of designated officers carrying out the will of the American people.
Especially anyone that seeks to profit to the tune of ten trillion dollars of US taxpayer money.
Quote from: Lokmar on Today at 04:17:27 PMI have no doubt we could agree on a specific case by case basis on allowing certain people to stay.
Quote from: Frood on Today at 04:27:22 PMI agree with your empathy, but they did break laws. They illegally immigrated. Criminal acts require punishment.
Would you sign over the deed to a property because squatters squatted there for 15 years but made some improvements to the property and neighborhood? Of course not. They can never be rewarded for squatting on your property.
However, if you're so inclined... after evicting the squatters, you can put the home on the market and offer them a 5-10% discount.
They can't stay there though...
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 12:39:59 PMthat I can support as 72 hours is a whole lot different a dynamic that 7 or 15 years. 72 hours affords the opportunity for re-assimilation into the country of origin. A 15 year hiatus from the country of origin is tantamount to a death sentence -- or at a minimum, the HOV lane to a life of poverty and despair. We all know that, so let's at least be honest about what it is.
it's essentially our gov fault this migrant was allowed in. our gov fault he stayed so long and our gov fault the court system and parasitical leeches that orbit it a.k.a attorneys are so utterly broken and corrupt. As American citizens WE cannot, more often than not, navigate this nebulous den of thievery and we're expecting someone who does not know our ways, the nuances of our culture and our language to do it? C'mon.
So when we see a guy here for 15 years who has NEVER broken a law. NEVER availed himself of public assistance. Contributed positively to our economy in the form of hard labor, and in some instances even contributed to a social safety net he can never benefit from we cannot provision for him an expedited path to legal citizenship while holding him accountable for his past infraction in the form of a fine? that's not possible for a few thousand people at most?
Seriously? when we allow presidents to lie to us about weapons of mass destruction, yoke our bravest with unreasonable rules of engagement which get them killed in lands they couldn't find on a map, divide us along racial lines, rob the treasury, enrich our enemies and a litany of other high crimes too lengthy to list out here?
you're telling me, that when the possibility exists, that some scumbag attorney fleeced them for their last dime selling them dreams, the court system wore them down with bloated bureaucracy and the process led nowhere every time they tried you still cannot find it within yourself to show a little compassion ? You're just going to destroy a human being? Because they crossed an imaginary line on a map 20 years ago and happened to visit the wrong attorney? Got stuck with some bullshit judge or could no longer sustain the financial drainage this entire conglomerate of parasites is famous for repeating time after time after fucking time?
again, I am advocating for a very small cross section of this population who's continuance in this country wouldn't harm a soul. A cross section that is probably more morally fluent and better suited to the American than 80% of the slobs that were born here.
This I cannot stand with and will never stand with it. I don't care what that makes me in the eyes of anyone.
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 01:08:59 PMtaking your example and focusing on it I will tell you that upon arrival MANY Venezuelans had considerable financial resource at their disposable as many of them were wealthy to middle class citizens in their homeland prior to the dictatorship decided to oust them.
so what does this mean? This means that many of the Venezuelans you see today who have followed the legal route in it's entirety had the financial resource to sustain a long and cumbersome process that literally bankrupts those who do not. But how many decent people tried that but simply lacked the financial resource to sustain the process?
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 01:08:59 PMthese are the people my mercy extends to as I know from personal experience how disgustingly corrupt, inefficient and outright evil our judicial system is. And if the possibility exists that they tried this route and failed, through no fault of their own, I am perfectly willing to open my mind and heart to a provision which allows them to expedite a path to citizenship devoid of all the slug and refuse normally resident in our court system
Quote from: Dove on Today at 02:01:32 PMScott LoBaio (or however his spelled) is awesome.I know who he is. I follow him on instagram
Do you know who he is? He is a sort of activists who was painting flags all over.
I would LOVE to have one of his US Flag paintings. Seriously. I would hang that right above the mantel of the fireplace. I have LARGE cobblestone fireplace and one of his flag paintings would be awesome to have there.
I dont know why but everytime I see a video of his, I feel better lol.
You would like him. He is Sicilian and a New Yorker lol
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