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Quote from: Biggie Smiles on January 13, 2026, 09:35:42 AMyou have to wonder how those scumbags got a law like that to pass in the first place.Did the banks not protest?
Forcing a bank to lend to people who are in the act of committing a crime is absurd and is part of the risk profile a bank NEEDS to evaluate when determining if the candidate is loan worthy
these people truly were on a mission to destroy this country
Quote from: Shen Li on January 13, 2026, 11:37:44 PMI have never had so much hope in a new president and been more disappointed than I was in Barack Obama.
Quote from: Dove on January 13, 2026, 03:01:28 AMI was spitting on Obama by 2012. That was the only election I didnt vote in at all since I became a voting citizen.I have never had so much hope in a new president and been more disappointed than I was in Barack Obama.
It hurt too. Obama ushered in racailized politics.
I hadnt quite yet entered into republican politics quite yet at that time but if I could do it over, id have voted McCain. Not that he moved me or that im only board with everything he would have done....but getting Obama out would have been worth it.
I was eyeballing Ted Cruise in 2016 until I saw Trump mailing the press, calling out Republican donors, telling Hillary she would be in jail. Talking about defeating Isis. How he campaigns is incredible. Trump will go to blue districts on his own dime just to talk to the people.
So I was all in for Trump early on lol.
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on January 13, 2026, 08:03:16 PMI understand that. But self deporting for a person who has been here for 20 years is not as easy in the real world as you are making it seem here.
What does this person do on day two upon arrival in what is now a completely foreign land after he self deports? What does his family do if he is the bread winner and they happen to be US citizens?
it is not as easy in practice as it is in theory.
QuoteNow if you said to me that a provision exists where people could show up at a predetermined facility close to their areas of residence where their case can be evaluated fairly without any intervention from this broken extortion ring we attempt to pass off as a justice system - and that decades of faithful adherence to our laws and values would afford them a high probability of continuation then I'd happily jump on board.
but we both know that is NOT what is being presented as a genuine and feasible option here.
QuoteWhat is being presented is tantamount to asking someone to play Russian roulette with at least two bullets in the chamber and assuring them the odds are in their favor. No one in their right mind is taking that up.
Likewise, a person who has actually built something here with the sweat of their own hands is going to have a hell of a lot of hesitation walking away from that under the promise that coming back through the front door will reunite them with all that they have lost... with our broken system? In what, 10 to 15 years after they are thoroughly bankrupted? no one in their right mind under those circumstances is doing that and it would be unreasonable to use that as the basis to pigeon hole their character profile.
Quote from: Reggie Essent on January 13, 2026, 05:30:44 PMBigs,I understand that. But self deporting for a person who has been here for 20 years is not as easy in the real world as you are making it seem here.
The "case-by-case" vetting you are outlining is already provisioned by the DHS directives. All illegals, without regard to how long they have been here, must self-deport. Doing so puts them on the list to return legally. Failure to self deport and being swept up by ICE precludes any chance to legally return.
I'm all for some kind of Commission for expediting the process of vetting long-term illegal aliens for return to their communities. This is something that should be proposed and discussed to recognize that there are probably many thousands of long-term illegals that might deserve to be given break.
But as I said, this type of recognition is already provisioned in the DHS directive that all illegals MUST self deport to be eligible for legal return.
The line jumpers gotta jump through the hoops, man.
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on January 13, 2026, 05:02:53 PMSounds reasonable enough.
Provided the following as a caveat. If they can prove either of two things then I would be looking to go after the true culprit to make the American tax payer whole.
1. If they can prove they went through the immigration process with an attorney and were assured citizenship but it turns out they were lied to. In such a case they too are a victim and the real predator is the attorney.. whom we should go after.
2. They can prove previous employers withheld taxes. In a situation where the government was never actually paid we should then go after employer and carve a provision for them to start accruing said benefits as they are not culpable for the actions of that dishonest employer. Unless they were somehow in on the arraignment. then all bets are off.
Other than that? They lived free and clear of taxes for 20 years and had to know something was wasn't quite right with that but continued down that pathway anyway. Under such a circumstance options you stipulate are a fair penance to atone for their sins.
Quote from: Frood on January 13, 2026, 04:47:17 PMIf they don't get caught for 20 years and draw no benefits plus committed no other crimes except being a illegal squatter motherfucking fuckhead but worked and cared for themselves, ok... they can stay but no Social Security, Medicare, other welfares ever... no tax refunds. No voting rights.
Deal?
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on January 13, 2026, 12:24:50 PMHard to say. We could have someone here for 20 years and 18 of them were spent living off the taxpayer, still doesn't speak English and has made next to no position contributions to our society
that would NOT be someone I advocate for
but on the flip side, you may have someone who's here 10 years and has an amazing track record to reflect their character. I would advocate for that person.
He/she would need to go through the official process to make their presence legal but I would ensure their ability to remain were not tethered to their financial ability to support the greed of an utterly broken system
Quote from: Lokmar on January 13, 2026, 03:31:08 PMIllegals on the dole need deported. End of.100% no questions asked.
Quote from: Dove on January 13, 2026, 12:43:49 PMI would support this.
Its time to check on our immigration laws imo.
To be fair its supposed to be hard to immigrate and they SHOULD be assimilating. The US used to only allow hard working and exceptional immigrants.
Quote from: . on January 13, 2026, 01:37:54 PMNot the least nowadays because they are ripe for exploitation. Much is made about the dems loving their illegals because of the voting bump they often represent; know too that on the right that illegals are cherished in certain circles because they will work for dirt cheap and can be kicked to the kerb with little (read "no") recourse whatsoever.
Get enough of them, you keep the wages low and conditions shitty for the actual citizens. This is more or less why Vivek needed to be kicked out on his ass over the whole H1B visa thing; his policies were geared towards flooding the market with what was effectively cheap indentured servants while the average American struggles to scratch out a living.
I'd have tied the curry munching fuckwit by his cock to the front of one of Prowler's muscle cars myself. Disingenuous traitor, he can fuck right back to Streetshitterville any time he likes.
Quote from: Dove on January 13, 2026, 12:43:49 PMI would support this.Not the least nowadays because they are ripe for exploitation. Much is made about the dems loving their illegals because of the voting bump they often represent; know too that on the right that illegals are cherished in certain circles because they will work for dirt cheap and can be kicked to the kerb with little (read "no") recourse whatsoever.
Its time to check on our immigration laws imo.
To be fair its supposed to be hard to immigrate and they SHOULD be assimilating. The US used to only allow hard working and exceptional immigrants.
Quote from: Brent on January 13, 2026, 11:56:30 AMI don't think they make that distinction in Poland between long term illegal and recent. Maybe they do.
All I know is that I like their asylum and immmigration laws and especially their enforcement. Which is why Poland is one of the safest countries in Europe.
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