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Posted by Anonymous
 - October 11, 2020, 10:19:22 PM
:shock:
Posted by Renee
 - October 11, 2020, 03:46:11 PM
It's not just the red tape that is the problem. The FDA extorts millions upon millions out of companies and individuals trying to get new products to market. Like the FCC it is basically a criminal organization that until this pandemic, answered to no one and we can chalk that up to Trumps leadership. Had there been a democrat or some other professional politician in the Whitehouse when this COVID shit hit, we would be waiting years for effective treatments.
Posted by cc
 - October 11, 2020, 01:05:59 PM
And getting them the money to do it faster. The country invested to help speed up the process. Points!!



Governments are riddled with meaningless red tape that simply slow processes, not make them better.

T is a red tape breaker .. More Points



I hope our govt fast tracks approvals, although the idiot in charge cannot be counted on to do anything right for the people
Posted by Anonymous
 - October 11, 2020, 06:28:02 AM
Quote from: cc post_id=386303 time=1602399590 user_id=88
Moderna is basically ready to go. They gave it to 30,000 in July, so expect something very soon now



And it just said officially other companies can produce it with patent rights not enforced = many times more shots produced around the world ASAP



Pfizer also started final testing in July and is expected very soon - It's only downside is that it needs to be transported at -94 degrees Fahrenheit - but with all everyone has achieved so rapidly to date, I'm guessin that will have a fast solution



The Oxford Oxford/AstraZeneca one is a month behind the above  schedule  and I'm guessin they will be shamed into dropping patent rights for the duration of pandemic by Moderna  .. as in fact, all candidates will be placed in the same ethical position



As for Regeneron treatment compound, it's already being shipped out across the US and if other countries get their butts in gear it could be the same for them



Sorry to bubble-burst the negative folk, but it is what it is

I don't understand how people can be disappointed about treatments and removing regulatory red tape to get a vaccine..



This is how we tackle COVID-19, not with lock downs, and to this credit, the president of the USA has been a leader in getting effective treatments and vaccines approved.
Posted by cc
 - October 11, 2020, 02:59:50 AM
Moderna is basically ready to go. They gave it to 30,000 in July, so expect something very soon now



And it just said officially other companies can produce it with patent rights not enforced = many times more shots produced around the world ASAP



Pfizer also started final testing in July and is expected very soon - It's only downside is that it needs to be transported at -94 degrees Fahrenheit - but with all everyone has achieved so rapidly to date, I'm guessin that will have a fast solution



The Oxford Oxford/AstraZeneca one is a month behind the above  schedule  and I'm guessin they will be shamed into dropping patent rights for the duration of pandemic by Moderna  .. as in fact, all candidates will be placed in the same ethical position



As for Regeneron treatment compound, it's already being shipped out across the US and if other countries get their butts in gear it could be the same for them



Sorry to bubble-burst the negative folk, but it is what it is
Posted by Anonymous
 - October 10, 2020, 11:44:25 PM
Quote from: caskur post_id=386193 time=1602309590 user_id=2156
Trump volunteered to be a guinea pig. He said so. He didn't use the term guinea pig, that is my term for what he did.



It took 12 years to approve of flu vaccine... It probably won't take that long for one for Covid but it won't be as soon as you hope.



The reason is, if people die of complications from Regeneron antibody cocktail, there will be massive lawsuits. No companies want massive lawsuits.


You're wrong.


QuoteA senior executive for pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca has confirmed that his company cannot face legal action for any potential side effects caused by its Covid vaccine. Those affected will have no legal recourse.



AstraZeneca is one of 25 pharmaceutical companies worldwide already testing their Covid vaccines on humans, in preparation for injecting hundreds of millions of people. These are flush times for Britain's largest pharmaceutical company, worth something in the order of £70 million. They have just reported bumper profits of $12.6 billion in the last six months alone.



But despite its healthy balance sheet, AstraZeneca is unwilling to be held responsible for any potential side effects of its 'hopeful' vaccine candidate. In other words, the company is completely protected, or indemnified, against lawsuits from people who are injected with their vaccine and experience negative effects, regardless of how severe or long-lasting they are.


(hot sauce : https://www.rt.com/news/496801-pharma-not-accountable-vaccine-effect/">https://www.rt.com/news/496801-pharma-n ... ne-effect/">https://www.rt.com/news/496801-pharma-not-accountable-vaccine-effect/ 31st July 2020)





tl;dr - There will be no massive lawsuits, the drug companies are indemnified against any legal action and are at liberty to release any crony virus treatment they like. Sorry about your penis.
Posted by Anonymous
 - October 10, 2020, 09:24:18 PM
Trump Says He Will Donate Own Blood Plasma, Is No Longer on Medication for COVID-19



President Donald Trump said that he has stopped taking medication for the CCP virus and will donate his own blood plasma if needed.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-says-he-is-no-longer-on-medications-for-covid-19-will-donate-own-blood-plasma_3533563.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking">https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-say ... n=breaking">https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-says-he-is-no-longer-on-medications-for-covid-19-will-donate-own-blood-plasma_3533563.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking
Posted by cc
 - October 10, 2020, 02:08:15 PM
Quote from: "Eddie's Mom" post_id=386204 time=1602333270
Eddie you know you're not smart enough to discuss things like this. Come home and play doctor with your dolls like a good boy and stop bothering the grown ups.
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=386216 time=1602340839 user_id=2015
Eddie, listen to your mother like Norman Bates did.

That explains why he has sliced up all his dolls, so spends time on the net.
Posted by caskur
 - October 10, 2020, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: Edward post_id=386029 time=1602199680
Covid drug given to Trump developed using cells derived from aborted fetus



One of the drugs taken by Donald Trump that he has touted as a potential "cure" for coronavirus was developed using human cells originally obtained from an elective abortion, a practice repeatedly denounced by the president and many of his supporters.




The man is a hypocrite but entertaining to point and laugh at.  ac_biggrin



Experts in Australia are gobsmacked on his recent irresponsible behaviour.



Many workers in the White House are sick now because of him. I expect the Long Covid to really hurt many BUT, they chose it. So tough luck I say. Personally, I wouldn't let a person like Trump within 2000 miles of me.



I've been beating this billionaire bore on twitter over the last month or two....lol. He thinks he is Trump and tried to smuggle that other drug Donald duck took  into my state :001_rolleyes: . Hydroxychloroquine. He thinks he is channeling Donald...  :roll:
Posted by caskur
 - October 10, 2020, 01:56:09 PM
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=386197 time=1602330158 user_id=3254
Quote from: caskur post_id=386193 time=1602309590 user_id=2156
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=386161 time=1602290926 user_id=114
Quote from: caskur post_id=386115 time=1602260769 user_id=2156
Quote from: Edward post_id=386029 time=1602199680
Covid drug given to Trump developed using cells derived from aborted fetus



One of the drugs taken by Donald Trump that he has touted as a potential "cure" for coronavirus was developed using human cells originally obtained from an elective abortion, a practice repeatedly denounced by the president and many of his supporters.


Australians invented a use for penicillin but before they got the doses right, people/or a person died.



Trump has volunteered to be a guinea pig experimenting which is actually quite brave of him but everyone in the white house in his circle has got the virus now.

caskur, for the umpteenth time, there have been clinical trials of the Regeneron antibody cocktail. Just because it hasn't been approved by the FDA YET, does not mean Trump was a guinea pig.


Trump volunteered to be a guinea pig. He said so. He didn't use the term guinea pig, that is my term for what he did.



It took 12 years to approve of flu vaccine... It probably won't take that long for one for Covid but it won't be as soon as you hope.



The reason is, if people die of complications from Regeneron antibody cocktail, there will be massive lawsuits. No companies want massive lawsuits.

It doesn't matter if the president called himself a guinea pig or not there have been clinical trials going on with the Regeneron antibody cocktail before he took it and still are..



Yes, normally we take years of slow and small trials for vaccines, but this time we don't have the luxury of time, hence wider and larger samples of stage two and three trials..



None of the vaccines and or treatments are made from things that have not been used before and already approved, sometimes for decades..



The USA will have a vaccine ready for roll-out by mid spring covering enough people by mid summer to reach herd immunity.


Our Premier said Western Australian hard border lockdown was going to be tight until perhaps the 1st of April 2021. We are also getting a $600 discount for electricity.



Next year is going to be very, very interesting.
Posted by Anonymous
 - October 10, 2020, 10:40:39 AM
Eddie, listen to your mother like Norman Bates did.
Posted by Anonymous
 - October 10, 2020, 08:34:30 AM
Quote from: Edward post_id=386029 time=1602199680
Covid drug given to Trump developed using cells derived from aborted fetus



One of the drugs taken by Donald Trump that he has touted as a potential "cure" for coronavirus was developed using human cells originally obtained from an elective abortion, a practice repeatedly denounced by the president and many of his supporters.


Eddie you know you're not smart enough to discuss things like this. Come home and play doctor with your dolls like a good boy and stop bothering the grown ups.
Posted by Anonymous
 - October 10, 2020, 08:24:02 AM
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=386197 time=1602330158 user_id=3254
Quote from: caskur post_id=386193 time=1602309590 user_id=2156
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=386161 time=1602290926 user_id=114
Quote from: caskur post_id=386115 time=1602260769 user_id=2156
Quote from: Edward post_id=386029 time=1602199680
Covid drug given to Trump developed using cells derived from aborted fetus



One of the drugs taken by Donald Trump that he has touted as a potential "cure" for coronavirus was developed using human cells originally obtained from an elective abortion, a practice repeatedly denounced by the president and many of his supporters.


Australians invented a use for penicillin but before they got the doses right, people/or a person died.



Trump has volunteered to be a guinea pig experimenting which is actually quite brave of him but everyone in the white house in his circle has got the virus now.

caskur, for the umpteenth time, there have been clinical trials of the Regeneron antibody cocktail. Just because it hasn't been approved by the FDA YET, does not mean Trump was a guinea pig.


Trump volunteered to be a guinea pig. He said so. He didn't use the term guinea pig, that is my term for what he did.



It took 12 years to approve of flu vaccine... It probably won't take that long for one for Covid but it won't be as soon as you hope.



The reason is, if people die of complications from Regeneron antibody cocktail, there will be massive lawsuits. No companies want massive lawsuits.

It doesn't matter if the president called himself a guinea pig or not there have been clinical trials going on with the Regeneron antibody cocktail before he took it and still are..



Yes, normally we take years of slow and small trials for vaccines, but this time we don't have the luxury of time, hence wider and larger samples of stage two and three trials..



None of the vaccines and or treatments are made from things that have not been used before and already approved, sometimes for decades..



The USA will have a vaccine ready for roll-out by mid spring covering enough people by mid summer to reach herd immunity.


That ignorant cow is too stupid to understand what you're saying. Don't waste your time.
Posted by Anonymous
 - October 10, 2020, 08:02:54 AM
This is true leadership on COVID, not stumbling from one set of restrictions to another. This is how the COVID tiger becomes toothless.



Trump Admin Does 'Phenomenal' Job Expediting Approvals for CCP Virus Drugs, Vaccine: Rep. Andy Harris



Trump administration's efforts to speed up the regulatory review process of therapeutic drugs and vaccines for COVID-19 is unprecedented, according to Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.), who has spent three decades practicing medicine.



Harris, a former physician at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, praised the White House's "Operation Warp Speed" initiative for "cutting through all the unnecessary red tape" with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Launched in May, the initiative aims to deliver 300 hundred million doses of COVID-19 vaccines by the end of 2020.



Harris told The Epoch Times's Jan Jekielek that therapeutics, such Regeneron's "antibody cocktail" designed to imitate and boost the immune response to the CCP virus, could take three to five years to proceed from initial authorization of clinical trials to FDA approval. The lengthy process is now expected to be reduced to eight or nine months while still maintaining existing quality standards.



"A drug like this could take three, four, or five years to get approved and we're talking now, eight months, nine months," Harris said. "It's phenomenal. And all we've done is we've cut the red tape. We haven't shortchanged on safety, we haven't shortchanged on efficacy, we've just cut through the red tape and encouraged production and in some cases pay for production."



When asked how exactly the red tape reduction works, Harris said the key is that protocols for trials are now being overseen by the federal government, as opposed to traditional public-private partnerships, in which pharmaceutical companies develop their own protocols.



When you're developing a drug and you're developing a trial, there's usually back and forth with the FDA: What is the FDA going to require? Do they agree with your protocol?" Harris explained. "If the FDA works hand in hand up front with the company, then that back and forth is eliminated."



The coordinated government support also allows companies to focus on research rather than finance. "When when you're doing a study, for instance, when some of these vaccine studies with 30 to 40,000 patients in them, that requires a lot of capital," Harris said. "The government's Operation Warp Speed is saying, 'No, we're going to give you the capital, don't worry about the capital, just design the study, recruit the patients, get the results. Don't worry about things like that.'"



"And then again, we're going to pay for production while you are in the approval process," he continued. "And that and all these things just cut literally cut years off the time, it is so unprecedented, that we are probably going to have a vaccine within 10 to 11 months of the Chinese releasing the genotype of COVID."



Harris also expressed confidence that the antibody cocktail, which was taken by President Donald Trump during his brief hospitalization, will be distributed to the American public for free once it becomes available.



"The government has invested tens of billions of dollars in developing these therapeutics and producing the therapeutics," he said. "We've paid to help with the research and development, we've paid to produce it. So for a while, it could be available at no cost. I think that'd be perfectly reasonable."



Trump recently revealed that Regeneron's antibody cocktail played an important role in his rapid recovery after contracting the CCP virus, likening it to a "cure" rather than a therapeutic treatment.



"We have hundreds of thousands of doses that are just about ready," Trump said Wednesday. "I have emergency use authorization all set and we got to get it signed now. And you're going to get better, you're going to get better really fast."

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-admin-does-phenomenal-job-expediting-approvals-for-ccp-virus-drugs-vaccine-rep-andy-harris_3532876.html?ref=brief_News&utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb">https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-adm ... ampaign=mb">https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-admin-does-phenomenal-job-expediting-approvals-for-ccp-virus-drugs-vaccine-rep-andy-harris_3532876.html?ref=brief_News&utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb
Posted by Anonymous
 - October 10, 2020, 07:42:38 AM
Quote from: caskur post_id=386193 time=1602309590 user_id=2156
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=386161 time=1602290926 user_id=114
Quote from: caskur post_id=386115 time=1602260769 user_id=2156
Quote from: Edward post_id=386029 time=1602199680
Covid drug given to Trump developed using cells derived from aborted fetus



One of the drugs taken by Donald Trump that he has touted as a potential "cure" for coronavirus was developed using human cells originally obtained from an elective abortion, a practice repeatedly denounced by the president and many of his supporters.


Australians invented a use for penicillin but before they got the doses right, people/or a person died.



Trump has volunteered to be a guinea pig experimenting which is actually quite brave of him but everyone in the white house in his circle has got the virus now.

caskur, for the umpteenth time, there have been clinical trials of the Regeneron antibody cocktail. Just because it hasn't been approved by the FDA YET, does not mean Trump was a guinea pig.


Trump volunteered to be a guinea pig. He said so. He didn't use the term guinea pig, that is my term for what he did.



It took 12 years to approve of flu vaccine... It probably won't take that long for one for Covid but it won't be as soon as you hope.



The reason is, if people die of complications from Regeneron antibody cocktail, there will be massive lawsuits. No companies want massive lawsuits.

It doesn't matter if the president called himself a guinea pig or not there have been clinical trials going on with the Regeneron antibody cocktail before he took it and still are..



Yes, normally we take years of slow and small trials for vaccines, but this time we don't have the luxury of time, hence wider and larger samples of stage two and three trials..



None of the vaccines and or treatments are made from things that have not been used before and already approved, sometimes for decades..



The USA will have a vaccine ready for roll-out by mid spring covering enough people by mid summer to reach herd immunity.