Quote from: caskur on May 23, 2024, 03:43:46 AMI would just take them outback and give their brain a bullet.... problem with UN solved.

There are alien sightings in our desert... the aliens must have got them.

Get the UN to go look for them.

Plenty of tinpot regimes have got their start by ridding themselves of their undesirables in such fashion. They make a great playground for organisations like the CIA to send in the assassins to take out the heads of state for the purposes of installing their own puppet governments. For the purposes of denuding the nations of their mineral wealth you know. And knowing how much you love it when your minerals are stolen from under your feet to enrich the pockets on the other side of your country, I imagine you'll be overjoyed when those profits are going straight into the pockets of foreign multinationals, bypassing those select few robber barons in the eastern states that you love so very very much.

You see, being the leader of a country doesn't give you the power you seem to think it does. Sure, if you are talking in terms of those beneath your feet, you get to stomp all over them all you like, quickly becoming the most hated person to every lay claim to Kirribilli as your address. You will quickly find yourself very lonely too, because you are a prideful and opinionated woman who is not given to sucking foreign cock and will dig her heels in against the demands made of her on the world stage.

And Australia, much as you like to speak of it in the same kinds of glowing rhetoric I hear from the governments like the DPRK, is nevertheless a small country, both economically and politically. King Chuck the Turd is not going to ride in to save the day for you any more that his mumsy did when Gough Whitlam shook his fist at that high ranking CIA official and told him he was open to the idea of ending Australia's arrangement with the US re: Pine Gap and the Northwest Cape because of the clandestine activities the CIA hand convinced ASIO to run in Cambodia using Australian soldiers. King Chuck the Turd probably won't even know about your bullet riddled corpse until long after rigor has set in and if history is any guide, he will likely walk away from the affair, his sausage fingers as squeaky clean as his his mothers were.

I'm just telling you how the world works. You and I have butted heads over many issues before and I know you are loath to take my understanding of many topics on faith even though I have consistently proven a knack for reducing situations to their component causes and applying those same rules to other situations. This situation of the immigration problem will not be fixed by your methods because it is not designed to be fixed. Your method, of the violent disposal of anything you deem a problem will only paint a target on your back. The fact you intend to do it in a clandestine fashion and lie about it afterwards shows me that you know it will.

I don't see any value in what you propose. You are doomed to fail if you are silly enough to try it.

Quote from: horse sense on May 22, 2024, 02:33:40 PMKind of like the promise of getting Mexico to pay for the wall, your proposal on how citizenship works owes much to its Pie In The Sky origins. Your country does not get to tell Lebanon that your troublemakers are now their problem simply because Australia says so, any more than any country dictates which of their refuse gets dumped on your shores. I know you see authoritarian overreach as your golden ticket to ridding your country of anyone you personally deem as undesirable, but the second you run up against a nation that says they do not recognise jus sanguinis and certainly not when it's being ordered by a foreign state actor who calls herself Caskur the Mighty, you will in fact be creating stateless persons with your policies and, as a consequence, be in breach of the UNHCR charter your country signed back in 1954. That same charter by the way includes provisions that require it's signatories accept stateless people into their borders, meaning you will be obligated to offer sanctuary to the very people you just rendered stateless or be in breach of that charter all over again.

It's not all bad news mind you; there are member states that walked away from the UNHCR charter in question after originally signing it (Madagascar) as well as nations which refused to sign it in the first place (China, various "muhzzie" nations et al). There are also nations (like Israel) who have signed it and then proceeded to bomb entire populations into flight with neighbouring states closing their borders against those effectively rendered stateless. While nations such as yours cry "think of the children" and what bastards a particular nation is, based on whatever is politically expedient at the time. But I would remind you not only of your country's effective vassal status at the UN, as well as what happens to those whose political rhetoric runs counter to the UN's decree. As Pauline Hanson found out, open your mouth too wide and there will be those only too happy to sacrifice you to appease their masters in Turtle Bay using any pretext that fits the narrative.

You too could have your very own set of striped pajamas and with three square meals a day to go with. All bought and paid for on the Australian taxpayer's dime. How's that for welfare?

I would just take them outback and give their brain a bullet.... problem with UN solved.

There are alien sightings in our desert... the aliens must have got them.

Get the UN to go look for them.

Quote from: caskur on May 21, 2024, 08:13:21 AMI don't know who he is but since he is an Aries... I know he's bad noos.

Fixed.


You know DKG Hitler was an Aries and you might think it rubbish but amongst despots I see a pattern..

Beware of Aries. 

Quote from: caskur on May 21, 2024, 01:03:27 AMNo, they become the citizens of their parents origins so if their parents are Lebonese then the unruly brat loses their Australian citizenship and the mutt becomes Labonese.

Your head would spin at how I would fix this country... in 2 seconds flat,

Kind of like the promise of getting Mexico to pay for the wall, your proposal on how citizenship works owes much to its Pie In The Sky origins. Your country does not get to tell Lebanon that your troublemakers are now their problem simply because Australia says so, any more than any country dictates which of their refuse gets dumped on your shores. I know you see authoritarian overreach as your golden ticket to ridding your country of anyone you personally deem as undesirable, but the second you run up against a nation that says they do not recognise jus sanguinis and certainly not when it's being ordered by a foreign state actor who calls herself Caskur the Mighty, you will in fact be creating stateless persons with your policies and, as a consequence, be in breach of the UNHCR charter your country signed back in 1954. That same charter by the way includes provisions that require it's signatories accept stateless people into their borders, meaning you will be obligated to offer sanctuary to the very people you just rendered stateless or be in breach of that charter all over again.

It's not all bad news mind you; there are member states that walked away from the UNHCR charter in question after originally signing it (Madagascar) as well as nations which refused to sign it in the first place (China, various "muhzzie" nations et al). There are also nations (like Israel) who have signed it and then proceeded to bomb entire populations into flight with neighbouring states closing their borders against those effectively rendered stateless. While nations such as yours cry "think of the children" and what bastards a particular nation is, based on whatever is politically expedient at the time. But I would remind you not only of your country's effective vassal status at the UN, as well as what happens to those whose political rhetoric runs counter to the UN's decree. As Pauline Hanson found out, open your mouth too wide and there will be those only too happy to sacrifice you to appease their masters in Turtle Bay using any pretext that fits the narrative.

You too could have your very own set of striped pajamas and with three square meals a day to go with. All bought and paid for on the Australian taxpayer's dime. How's that for welfare?

Quote from: caskur on May 21, 2024, 08:13:21 AMI don't who he is but since he is an Aries... I know he's bad noos.

Quote from: DKG on May 21, 2024, 05:42:15 AMHe should never have been stripped of his citizenship. He was not Ivan the Terrible.

I don't who he is but since he is an Aries... I know he's bad noos.

Quote from: caskur on May 21, 2024, 01:12:38 AMHa... that guy was an Aries... and a Slav...omg... triple whammy...  Hitler was an Aries. Oswald was an Aries... all the shit  people on the planet are Aries.

Ivan Mykolaiovych Demjanjuk
3 April 1920
Dubovi Makharyntsi, Berdychiv, Kiev Governorate

He should never have been stripped of his citizenship. He was not Ivan the Terrible.

 

Quote from: Frood on May 21, 2024, 01:04:16 AMAnd the guy in question had an American dad. Same same.

Well we won't talk about your unfortunate son....

Quote from: caskur on May 21, 2024, 01:09:05 AMYou didn't remarry your wife. You daughter is an Aussie.

Moot point. Daughter born here to Aussie mother and Seppo dad. She is both nationalities by law (if she applies for US citizenship or I do on her behalf).

The law is quite clear.

Quote from: DKG on May 20, 2024, 01:16:14 PMWhat Canada did to John Demjanjuk was a crime against humanity.

Ha... that guy was an Aries... and a Slav...omg... triple whammy...  Hitler was an Aries. Oswald was an Aries... all the shit  people on the planet are Aries.

Ivan Mykolaiovych Demjanjuk
3 April 1920
Dubovi Makharyntsi, Berdychiv, Kiev Governorate

Quote from: Frood on May 21, 2024, 01:04:16 AMAnd the guy in question had an American dad. Same same.

You didn't remarry your wife. You daughter is an Aussie.

Quote from: caskur on May 21, 2024, 12:57:19 AMYour children are of an Australian mother who was  born in Australia... your children are 100% Australian.

And the guy in question had an American dad. Same same.

Quote from: revolted on May 20, 2024, 12:41:30 PMCaskur may poo-poo the idea if she likes to, but such a scenario as kicking anyone deemed a troublemaker out and with no place for them to go opens a whole new can of worms that even she couldn't stomach the consequences of.

No, they become the citizens of their parents origins so if their parents are Lebonese then the unruly brat loses their Australian citizenship and the mutt becomes Labonese.

Your head would spin at how I would fix this country... in 2 seconds flat,

Quote from: Frood on May 18, 2024, 02:36:39 AMSo, my oldest is naturalized and my youngest is not. Both are permitted to be dual nationals. I did it for the first but not the second (at least not yet). Both however were born in Australia to at least one Australian parent.

So which kid could or shoukd be deported and stripped of AU citizenship if they, heaven forbid, said or did the wrong thing?

Citizenship stripping only works here if a person has two citizenships..

How far would you take it?

Perhaps consider if you and hubby had kids, he registered them as dual nationals for his European nation, and they said or did something off.

Your children are of an Australian mother who was  born in Australia... your children are 100% Australian.