Quote from: Garraty_47 on March 07, 2025, 02:24:34 PMThey also never mention that the original peace accords only stipulated that Ukraine cease hostilities in the Donbass region (which they'd been attacking since 2014) and honor those territories' political neutrality... Ukraine didn't have to cede that part of their country at all.

Only when Ukraine/NATO pissed on those terms did Russia do what it had to do in order to protect the ethnic Russians living in the Donbass and now it's too late to put that back on the table. Ukraine will never get that territory back nor should they.

If Voldemort knows what's good for him he'll "retire" to a Mediterranean villa before either the Banderites in his own country lynch him or the west decides to 'neutralize' an inconvenient pawn no longer of any use.

Kadafi / sadamm-- part II

They also never mention that the original peace accords only stipulated that Ukraine cease hostilities in the Donbass region (which they'd been attacking since 2014) and honor those territories' political neutrality... Ukraine didn't have to cede that part of their country at all.

Only when Ukraine/NATO pissed on those terms did Russia do what it had to do in order to protect the ethnic Russians living in the Donbass and now it's too late to put that back on the table. Ukraine will never get that territory back nor should they.

If Voldemort knows what's good for him he'll "retire" to a Mediterranean villa before either the Banderites in his own country lynch him or the west decides to 'neutralize' an inconvenient pawn no longer of any use.

Quote from: Garraty_47 on March 06, 2025, 02:34:33 PMThe media exists to manufacture consent.
They can't do that by telling the truth complete with relevant contexts.

They do it with obfuscation, misdirection, strategic withholding of information, and outright lies.

It never ceases to amaze me how dreadfully stupid the average person is to actually buy into that absurd narrative the media puppets are trying to promote

Putin's initial response was a conditional one. ie: Join NATO (which ultimately results in rockets 7 minutes from Moscow) and I will be forced to invade Ukraine to prevent that outcome. A concern not all that different from one espoused by JFK when Russia opted to place nuclear warheads 90 miles off American shores.

But.....

and here's were a modicum of intelligence is required.. DONT join NATO and things remain the way they are.

Easy peasy. A simple if then logic any day one programmer should be able to understand.

The fact that he ultimately followed through on a conditional threat simply because the trigging condition was met hardly proves that the man had the intent to invade all along.

In fact, someone of my mental majesty would argue the point in reverse and say it is NATO who had nefarious intent all along and prodded Ukraine to be the sacrificial lamb in a broader scheme to line their own pockets. ie: Goad Putin into an invasion which he would have preferred to avoid

And I substantiate my argument with this simple irrefutable fact. 

The war has been going on for nearly four years now. Millions have died with the precursors being a pact designed to deter the very fucking thing that has happened and continues to happen and to this fucking day the sacrificial lamb remains a NATO outcast.

Quote from: Garraty_47 on March 06, 2025, 01:37:27 PMThat was never Russia's objective.
Russia even said, from the beginning, that wasn't its objective.

Anyone saying that it is/was Russia's objective is not telling you the truth.

I believe that.

Quote from: Thiel on March 06, 2025, 01:42:09 PMThis is the truth, but the media says conquering all of Ukraine was the objective.

The media exists to manufacture consent.
They can't do that by telling the truth complete with relevant contexts.

They do it with obfuscation, misdirection, strategic withholding of information, and outright lies.

Quote from: Garraty_47 on March 06, 2025, 01:37:27 PMThat was never Russia's objective.
Russia even said, from the beginning, that wasn't its objective.

Anyone saying that it is/was Russia's objective is not telling you the truth.

This is the truth, but the media says conquering all of Ukraine was the objective.

Quote from: Brent on March 06, 2025, 12:22:20 PMRussia failed to achieve its primary objective — taking full control of Ukraine.

That was never Russia's objective.
Russia even said, from the beginning, that wasn't its objective.

Anyone saying that it is/was Russia's objective is not telling you the truth.

Those who wish to continue the endless war want you to believe that Ukraine must join NATO to ensure its ongoing security in a ceasefire deal. The opposite is true. Russia lost, and it did so without NATO involvement. Russia failed to achieve its primary objective — taking full control of Ukraine. The notion that Russia is poised to invade Poland or other NATO countries is unfounded. Without NATO involvement, Moscow has already demonstrated its limitations.

Heh, Bawwstrayya's Prime Mincer has just said he'll commit to sending Australian troops into Ukraine. I guess he figures virtue signaling to a brokeassed EU is more important than say... addressing the impending humanitarian crisis about to unfold on the Queensland border.

Cyclone Albert (so named because the name on their list... Anthony... was deemed to be too damaging to the prime mincer's reelection chances, I wish I were making this up)... Cyclone Albert is due to smash into Brisbane sometime within the next 24 hours, its effects will be felt over 500 miles of coastal region. its associated flood surge even further, impacting millions of Aussies who shall struggle like any other third world nation to claw their lives back together.

And this clown is wanking on about sending resources to Ukraine instead. Americans will have seen this exact play before... as recently as last year in fact. They at least had the sense to elect someone with a semblance of a spine.

Aint this interesting. Zelenskyy met with Democrats before supposed signing meeting with Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s01Xa1LmCOQ

Quote from: Herman on March 03, 2025, 08:56:50 PMIt is not. It is dead in the water. That is a quote from Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent's mouth.

For now.

Quote from: Frood on March 04, 2025, 07:33:40 AMHow much 10 years before?

Forgive him; his understanding of the war was bequeathed to him by outlets like the Toronto Sun.

Quote from: DKG on March 04, 2025, 07:15:30 AMThe US paused military aid to Ukraine.

Since the war began in 2022, the US has sent at least $175 billion in aid, including cash and military equipment, to support Ukrainian defense efforts.

How much 10 years before?

Quote from: DKG on March 04, 2025, 07:15:30 AMThe US paused military aid to Ukraine.

So I hear. "Good". No point in pussyfooting about, I heard the exchange between Trump and Zelenskyy, complete with interjections from Vance and I wholeheartedly agree with the result thus far.

If any one of you treated me like that in my house, I'd kick you the fuck out too. And I would expect no less from any of you if I were stupid enough to reverse the roles.

Quote from: Herman on March 03, 2025, 08:56:50 PMIt is not. It is dead in the water. That is a quote from Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent's mouth.

I've seen this play before. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that a deal involving mineral rights might still be struck, but it's likely going to require a lot of groveling on Zelenskyy's part. Possibly a few EU actors as well.

I imagine the next "Big Ask" is going to be bigger than the last. It's in the US interest that this be so. Otherwise it's guaran-fucking-teed that Zelenskyy won't be the last asshole wandering into the White House expecting Trump to play Lando Calrissian to their Darth Vader.

But with Trump you just never know. It may be that he settles for a smaller portion of the mineral rights in return for a commensurate reduction in support - a generous face saver for Zelenskyy and his leftist twats who can claim a win over the Wicked Orangeman Villain while he gets to balance the books on what Ukraine's minerals provide. A third of their mineral wealth is better than none at all. This line of thinking is right up his alley.

I gotta admire Trump for that.