Quote from: DKG on June 01, 2025, 09:54:22 AMI am as cheap as a person can get with taxpayer money but due to the mass hysteria at the time I believed they could produce a good vaccine without following the normal channels.

You weren't alone, plenty thought that. The 24/7 news cycle were brainwashing it into everyone who would pay attention to it on a 20 minute repeat for month after month.

What you weren't aware of was that of the minimal tests that were done (eight laboratory rats) ALL specimens died from the treatment. This fact was suppressed under the auspices of it being "medical misinformation", finally admitted to openly by a representative from Pfizer in a European symposium and immediately memory-holed by the media.

What you were clearly also not aware of was there were medicines that had already been appropriately tested and found to be relatively benign for human use that were in use for other infections which were repurposed and showing promise in clinical trials for China Virus infectees as early as March 2020. Indeed, one of those treatments (Ivermectin) had garnered its developing scientists a Nobel Prize in 2015 after decades of use on humans as an anti-parasitic. Yes, there was a variant for equine use; that was not the one that was being used. Again, the media were employed to deceive you.

You likely were also unaware of the Obama connection. The gain of function research into Covid was being conducted on US soil up until the mid 20-teens when blowback from some scientists resulted in Barry assuring all that such research would be terminated. Whereupon it was shifted to the Wuhan Virology lab in full.

The rest? Well you could have figured out for yourself that fuckery was afoot.. if you cared to. My guess is that you didn't care; that it was easier to take the word of "the authorities" over the rest of us who were paying attention and all be screaming "no, don't take it" as athletes started dropping dead within days of being injected. While the media assured us all this was perfectly normal and nothing to do with the jab. Also where you could get a free pack of fries and a joint for rolling up your sleeve, as if such incentives might be needed for a product that was as safe and efficacious as they purported it to be.

Now you know better. Hindsight, as they say, is a 20/20 science. Which is a bit of a kicker when you consider that pharmaceutical companies have done this sort of shit before, introducing new and improperly tested product to market. Thalidomide, the MMR... shit, theyre still at it with thing like Ozempic.

I'm not a doctor, but I have heard enough to know there is no such thing as a "one size fits all" when it comes to medicine. People are being hit from an early age with the most mind-buggering array of chemicals and the cowboys in the pharmaceutical industry are constantly coming up with new compounds to throw at us. It's a wonder some of us have any immune systems left at all, especially now that genetically modified organisms have been expanded to include humans. I'm reminded of the Harkonnen from Dune, infected with all manner of diseases and kept subservient and in check to the Baron who can, at a whim, refuse them their medicine. Assuming he doesn't simply rip your heart plug out for the sexual gratification of watching you bleed out in front of him.




I've known since I was eight years old that a cure for the common cold is not possible due to its ability to mutate faster than our testing can compete with. I know because I asked. The Coronavirus and Rhinovirus pathogens constitute the vast preponderance of "common colds" that we all have experienced across our lives and down through the generations. They mutate to get around the body's immune system, they mutate to get around any therapy we might administer. Occasionally (and only after a great deal of study and testing) someone will discover something to treat a pathogen so effectively that the disease is all but eradicated.

Clearly that is not what happened here. Variant after variant has been named until they'd burned through the Greek alphabet and were contemplating naming them after Antarctic islands, yet the same experimental compounds the FDA granted "emergency use authorization" for after effectively banning everything else on the market that was proving useful is still being employed to this day. The compounds that were set to target the initial outbreak and presumably already worthless now the virus has adapted itself to. The ones the democrats said they would never use "because we'd never trust a Donald Trump medicine" only to flipflop the moment they got to power.

The ones taxpayer dollars the world over paid for.

I'll tell you this much for nothing; the next time one of these mass-hysteria campaigns are being waged it's going to be fucking hard for me not to flip the bird out of pure instinct. Anyone want to let the orchestrators of such an event leash them by virtue of the mortal terror of what might happen if they don't comply? That's on you if you want to go that route, but that IS a case of those ratbags owning you. Calling the spade a spade here... as Joaquin Phoenix was once heard to remark...

Quote from: . on June 01, 2025, 07:33:51 AMAhh, then Operation Warp Speed was just him handing a ton of taxpayer money to the pharmaceutical companies "out of the goodness of his heart". Yeah, that must be it. Nothing to see here, the party faithful have declared it thusly, move along, move along.

Jeesh, if it had have been Biden who'd authored that deal, y'all would be tearing strips off him.

I am as cheap as a person can get with taxpayer money but due to the mass hysteria at the time I believed they could produce a good vaccine without following the normal channels.

Ahh, then Operation Warp Speed was just him handing a ton of taxpayer money to the pharmaceutical companies "out of the goodness of his heart". Yeah, that must be it. Nothing to see here, the party faithful have declared it thusly, move along, move along.

Jeesh, if it had have been Biden who'd authored that deal, y'all would be tearing strips off him.

I don't think Trump was owned by anyone either despite what the Democrats say.

Quote from: Lokmar on June 01, 2025, 01:38:11 AMJust like incest, ad hominem IS THE BEST!!!!

Yeah, I would have been happy with a civil and rational discussion on the topic. Still am. I'm not so far gone that I'm incapable of it, especially given I understand it's the preferred lingua franca of DKG.

I'm content to take my cue from Brent's response as to which, if any, direction this discussion takes.

Quote from: . on May 31, 2025, 08:54:19 PMAhh, we've at the ad hominem part of the discussion I see.

I've had a few beers, I don't mind admitting it. And whatever level my inebriation may or may not be, I can still recognise the excuse of "well he didn't know when he came to office" does sweet fuck nothing to change the fact that various interests played him like a fiddle. They owned him.

Now, before you go completely apeshit and start screaming epithets and protests that this is assuredly not the case, take a moment to save yourself a little face. Step away from the computer, go to the bedroom, open the closet and regard the clothes within.

You think any of that knows you own it? I put it to you that it doesn't know very much at all. All of it... the computer, the closet, that fluffy pink banana hammock you like to strangle your brain with... all inanimate and therefore quite oblivious to even the dimmest realization of the concept of ownership. Does the absence of it's understanding change the fact that you own it? No, it doesn't, does it? And it all does exactly what you want it to do because you own it. Well, at least until one of your hairy micronuts breaks out of the gusset when you're cracking a fat.

Same holds true for an elected official who finds himself pushed in the direction of facilitating the payment for an experimental treatment for a case of the sniffles that ends up killing less people than the road toll... an experimental sauce that Big Pharma had already planned to offer up so they might fatten their piggy banks. In Trump's case we know he was wanting to throw his weight behind Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine. Instead we get Operation Warp Speed, a taxpayer funded cashcow handed over however willingly or grudgingly to the people pulling his and everyone else's strings.

They owned him, they made him do exactly what they wanted from him. Just like you and your fruity little banana hammock. Don't come prancing about here like a cheap asian knockoff of a Richard Simmonds bobblehead doll, singing songs about he's the only POTUS not to have been owned by those pigfucking ratbags in Pharma and not expect me to garotte your hairless asian buttocks with a short, sharp yank to your backstraps, boy.

If you want to argue he is getting out from underneath that... that's an entirely different discussion we can have. But while I can think of a lot of things I admire about the guy, dangling at the end of Big Pharma's strings and doing their bidding isn't one of them.

You get it now? Do you need a fresh packet of crayons to chew on while you contemplate the logic of the argument and perhaps the inadvisability of engaging in ad-hominem with someone that can run rings around you with both?

Just like incest, ad hominem IS THE BEST!!!!

Quote from: Brent on May 31, 2025, 11:42:51 AMAre you drunk or just plain stupid?

Ahh, we've at the ad hominem part of the discussion I see.

I've had a few beers, I don't mind admitting it. And whatever level my inebriation may or may not be, I can still recognise the excuse of "well he didn't know when he came to office" does sweet fuck nothing to change the fact that various interests played him like a fiddle. They owned him.

Now, before you go completely apeshit and start screaming epithets and protests that this is assuredly not the case, take a moment to save yourself a little face. Step away from the computer, go to the bedroom, open the closet and regard the clothes within.

You think any of that knows you own it? I put it to you that it doesn't know very much at all. All of it... the computer, the closet, that fluffy pink banana hammock you like to strangle your brain with... all inanimate and therefore quite oblivious to even the dimmest realization of the concept of ownership. Does the absence of it's understanding change the fact that you own it? No, it doesn't, does it? And it all does exactly what you want it to do because you own it. Well, at least until one of your hairy micronuts breaks out of the gusset when you're cracking a fat.

Same holds true for an elected official who finds himself pushed in the direction of facilitating the payment for an experimental treatment for a case of the sniffles that ends up killing less people than the road toll... an experimental sauce that Big Pharma had already planned to offer up so they might fatten their piggy banks. In Trump's case we know he was wanting to throw his weight behind Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine. Instead we get Operation Warp Speed, a taxpayer funded cashcow handed over however willingly or grudgingly to the people pulling his and everyone else's strings.

They owned him, they made him do exactly what they wanted from him. Just like you and your fruity little banana hammock. Don't come prancing about here like a cheap asian knockoff of a Richard Simmonds bobblehead doll, singing songs about he's the only POTUS not to have been owned by those pigfucking ratbags in Pharma and not expect me to garotte your hairless asian buttocks with a short, sharp yank to your backstraps, boy.

If you want to argue he is getting out from underneath that... that's an entirely different discussion we can have. But while I can think of a lot of things I admire about the guy, dangling at the end of Big Pharma's strings and doing their bidding isn't one of them.

You get it now? Do you need a fresh packet of crayons to chew on while you contemplate the logic of the argument and perhaps the inadvisability of engaging in ad-hominem with someone that can run rings around you with both?

Quote from: . on May 30, 2025, 12:50:41 PMSo... your contention is that because he didn't know, he wasn't owned by them? Yeah... that makes a lot of sense...

Are you drunk or just plain stupid?

Quote from: Brent on May 30, 2025, 12:00:33 PMPresident Trump did not know how deep the rot in Washington was during his first term.

So... your contention is that because he didn't know, he wasn't owned by them? Yeah... that makes a lot of sense...

Quote from: . on May 30, 2025, 09:19:25 AMWant to tell me about Operation Warp Speed again?

* . snickers

President Trump did not know how deep the rot in Washington was during his first term.

Quote from: Lokmar on May 29, 2025, 01:16:29 PMI've no doubt there's corporate bottom line ambivalence to reformulating vaccines to be safer. My guess is they look at deaths as "spillage", just like a grocery store does with some food products.

With the covid jab, the government gave them a get out of lawsuits free card. It was the government, and Trump that pushed for a fast development. Of course the drug companies were like "Fuk that unless I get immunity" because any moron knows there will be problems with anything this new. I dont blame them a bit for this move, I'd have done the same.

What DOES bother me is the coverup which I believe came at the orders of democRATs, bidenco, and fraudchi. As usual, the culprit here is government.

All I know is that Kennedy is not fast tracking Moderna's bird flu vaccine.

Quote from: Brent on May 28, 2025, 12:21:31 PMBig pharmaceutical companies have owned every president no matter their party affiliation. That is until Trump and Health Secretary RFK held offices.

Want to tell me about Operation Warp Speed again?

Quote from: DKG on May 28, 2025, 10:56:27 AMWisconsin Senator Ron Johnson (R) dropped a bombshell report about the Biden administration's knowledge of the COVID-19 vaccine side effects.

"The subpoena records I'm releasing today, which are discussed in the interim report, do not contain FOIA redactions and will finally provide the public a more complete understanding of the Biden administration's awareness of the risks of myocarditis following COVID-19 injection," he continued.

According to his records, Israeli health officials notified the CDC on February 28, 2021, of "large reports of myocarditis particularly in young people following the administration of the Pfizer vaccine."

The response from the government was to do nothing.

"By the end of April 2021, just four months into COVID injection, Vaers was already reporting 2,926 deaths worldwide within 30 days of injection, with 46% of those deaths occurring on day zero, one, or two following injection," Johnson explained.

Johnson went on to explain that he was being censored when he attempted to talk about it, and when he finally had a meeting with the head of the NIH, Dr. Francis Collins, he asked about the deaths.

It's not just the US. Australian politicians knew about it too. At a time when the media were parroting the "100% safe and effective" mantra, Coalition prime minister Scott Morrison declared on national television that anyone suffering adverse reactions to the jab should bear the responsibility for the side effects since they knew the treatment was experimental when they got it and should not reasonably expect payouts from the government for the results of their choice. A week later he backpedalled, offering "no fault" payouts to the vaccine damaged, effectively indemnifying the medical community from financial loss with the Australian taxpayer ultimately footing the bill. Such is the face of conservatism in Australia.

Meanwhile you have the opposition leader (now the current prime minister) Anthony Albanese telegraphing his own party's authoritarian leanings by chastising the then prime minister's Covid jab rollout and saying that the Labour party was prepared to go harder on the vaccine rollouts and passports issue. Just how that would have looked considering that you already had the military out patrolling the streets in some areas, breaking into peoples homes and disappearing them off into Covid detention facilities and psych wards (not to mention the beatings, tear gas and rubber bullets being fired indiscriminately in to protesters and media alike) is anybody's guess.

And all to push a new technology which, if the Brisbane University studies of February/March 2020 into the efficacy of hydroxychoriquine are to be believed showed there were already theraputics on the market whose efficacy negated the need for any emergency use authorization notice whatsoever. Against a "pandemic" whose lethality could be expressed in fractions of a percent, certainly far lesser than the damage the MRNA jabs were visiting on the willfully ignorant.

The whole affair stank to high heaven, and yet I know a number of you trusted to what you were told and rolled up your sleeves anyway. Some that did are no longer with us and all of you have reduced life expectancy for it; certainly you now have an elevated risk of secondary infection from pathogens that have long laid dormant in your bodies (just ask Looney/Cookie Monster about his unexplained herpes outbreak). And too many were content to call for government intervention and the suspension of civil rights of those of us that said "no thanks".

"100% safe and effective" was always a lie. No medicine can make that claim, certainly not some experimental treatment that has not yet had time to be fully tested before its release into the public sphere. "It's your choice" was always a lie, when after the carrot of bribery and propaganda has been rolled out and you resort to persecution and basher gangs  to convince the holdouts to "make the right choice". "Trust the science" was always a lie, all dissenting voices being ridiculed and/or memory-holed, including those to be found within the scientific community.

And any surprise you might express that your government knew all along? That too is a lie. You knew, or at least had good reason to suspect deception, especially in the face of the NDAs inked by the pharmaceutical companies and signed off on by your leaders on a pretend preventative that your tax dollars paid for, yet you apparently enjoy no ownership of...

You knew... and so did they. To claim otherwise is to claim a level of ignorance and stupidity that would make Seamajor blush. No, this is a contemporary case of Wild West snake oil salesmen, but one on a grand scale and one that continues to turn a staggeringly large quick buck for your would-be wardens in the government and pharmaceutical industries.

Just not at the cost of my health. But please... you continue to do you.

Quote from: Lokmar on May 28, 2025, 02:20:52 PMI think its just a matter of the vax being developed ASAP because everyone was shitting their pants about the virus. I'm sure they intended to do no harm but it was rolled out too soon without testing and shit happened. The lies tho, those are easily pinned down to the behavior of bidenco, fauchi, etc. They all deserve the death penalty. I'm not as upset about the people who were unintentionally hurt as I am of the ones who were coerced to get the jab.

I faked my jab card and would do it again.

I did as well.

Quote from: Brent on May 29, 2025, 12:11:02 PMI don't think big pharma cares if vaccines cause a lot of harm. They will create something they say will save you from their vaccines and then get their bought and paid for politicians to say you must have this cure for our vaccines.

Big pharma is a racket. They have too much power over national governments and the WHO.

I've no doubt there's corporate bottom line ambivalence to reformulating vaccines to be safer. My guess is they look at deaths as "spillage", just like a grocery store does with some food products.

With the covid jab, the government gave them a get out of lawsuits free card. It was the government, and Trump that pushed for a fast development. Of course the drug companies were like "Fuk that unless I get immunity" because any moron knows there will be problems with anything this new. I dont blame them a bit for this move, I'd have done the same.

What DOES bother me is the coverup which I believe came at the orders of democRATs, bidenco, and fraudchi. As usual, the culprit here is government.