Quote from: DKG on Today at 10:37:32 AMI could be wrong but I believe the figure was twice as high.

I've heard a few figures tossed about, all of them significant non-zero amounts. For the purposes of the argument, the actual figure is (I think) purely academic, the real issue being that the government ought not be allowed to continue the egregious practice of separating children from their parents and "forgetting" what happened to them.

"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's". The rearing of a child is the responsibility of its parents, it is not the responsibility of the state, certainly not the responsibility of a state that has demonstrated periods of inefficiency and gross incompetence. We already pay taxes for that expression of inefficiency, sacrificing sections of the next generation to its incompetence is criminal. "Of the people, for the people" remember; the government is mandated not to own us, but to serve us.

So when Lokmar says "hand [the kids] over to a friend or relative" I am in agreement with him. When he options the government as an acceptable surrogate, then I disagree. My argument is really that simple, I've no guarantee of the government acting in the best interests of kids it did not produce; it might very well do so and doubtless at great expense to the taxpayer, it might also treat them as cattle, future democrat voters if you will. And my taxes are not paying for that, not without a fight.

Quote from: JOE on October 12, 2025, 04:49:47 PMYa better, Bud.

I knowz ya had a few bouts of covid so that musta shortened yer life by at least a year or 2 ...Lokmar.

I never caught it so that should extend my life by at least 10 years or more, eh.

Long life runs in my family

Minimum 90.

I might live ta be 100 eh.

Sweetie, sitting is the new smoking.

As I told you after we had sex last night you have shortened your life by at least ten years by sitting down and posting on forums all day.

And you are over seventy. So, at your age and with your sedentary lifestyle you should be thankful for each day above ground.

Quote from: JOE on October 12, 2025, 03:13:05 PMBut then who'd rein ya in if ya stepped over the line...Lokmar?!

You would like Lokmar to "reign" over you wouldn't you honeybunch.

Quote from: . on October 12, 2025, 04:36:06 PMNah, don't codify handing them to the government into law, the whole idea of a relative taking charge of them is to keep them OFF the public dime. And you just know that should the democrats ever get back into office they'll be disappearing kids off into underaged sexual slavery, medical experiments and organ harvesting programs like the 30,000 kids that went missing under Joe Biden's watch.

Otherwise you're bang on the money. Anchor babies fortunate enough to have a US citizen for a parent who is prepared to care and nurture them get to stay. Those that don't.... "fuck off, we're full". And make it constitutionally clear bu amendment that the actual "anchor" in the arrangement needs to be a US citizen so you don't end up with a line of mexcrement tith their feet in the Rio Grande mud and their twats fanny farting potential fifth columnists into the fray. Fuck that noise, fuck them and fuck anyone that disagrees; the whole "give me your huddled masses" should not be used to undermine the 330 million stakeholders in the US that are here legally.

I could be wrong but I believe the figure was twice as high.

Quote from: JOE on October 12, 2025, 04:49:47 PMYa better, Bud.

I knowz ya had a few bouts of covid so that musta shortened yer life by at least a year or 2 ...Lokmar.

I never caught it so that should extend my life by at least 10 years or more, eh.

Long life runs in my family

Minimum 90.

I might live ta be 100 eh.

COVID did nothing to me because I didnt get the jab like you. The jab cut 15 years off your life.

Quote from: Lokmar on October 12, 2025, 04:43:28 PMI'll die before it runs out. My family doesnt see old age so thats why I'm taking my money soon.

Ya better, Bud.

I knowz ya had a few bouts of covid so that musta shortened yer life by at least a year or 2 ...Lokmar.

I never caught it so that should extend my life by at least 10 years or more, eh.

Long life runs in my family

Minimum 90.

I might live ta be 100 eh.

Quote from: JOE on October 12, 2025, 04:39:55 PMWhatcha gonna do in retirement if tharz no pension...Lokmar?!?

I hate ta see ya without a pension...Bud!

I'll die before it runs out. My family doesnt see old age so thats why I'm taking my money soon.

Quote from: Lokmar on October 12, 2025, 04:26:50 PMFuk SSI. Its a rip off and ponzi scheme thats already bankrupted because libtards gave all the money away to undesirables. 

Whatcha gonna do in retirement if tharz no pension...Lokmar?!?

I hate ta see ya without a pension...Bud!

Quote from: Lokmar on October 12, 2025, 01:35:07 PMIDGAF about the kids that were born here. We dont need to deal with that whatsoever.

Are you here illegally? GTFO. Got kids THAT WERE BORN HERE? Either take em with you or hand em over to a relative, friend, or the government.

Nah, don't codify handing them to the government into law, the whole idea of a relative taking charge of them is to keep them OFF the public dime. And you just know that should the democrats ever get back into office they'll be disappearing kids off into underaged sexual slavery, medical experiments and organ harvesting programs like the 30,000 kids that went missing under Joe Biden's watch.

Otherwise you're bang on the money. Anchor babies fortunate enough to have a US citizen for a parent who is prepared to care and nurture them get to stay. Those that don't.... "fuck off, we're full". And make it constitutionally clear bu amendment that the actual "anchor" in the arrangement needs to be a US citizen so you don't end up with a line of mexcrement tith their feet in the Rio Grande mud and their twats fanny farting potential fifth columnists into the fray. Fuck that noise, fuck them and fuck anyone that disagrees; the whole "give me your huddled masses" should not be used to undermine the 330 million stakeholders in the US that are here legally.

Quote from: JOE on October 12, 2025, 04:02:51 PMI keep hearing that Social Security in the US is nearly bankrupt Biggie Smiles Bigly.

So if that's correct, there may not be any pensions waitin' fer future retirees in America eh? That's why it may be advisable for folks like my good friend Lokmar ta,retire soon eh. So he can get at least some a that pension money in yer country.

I don't have that problem myself since I've already started gettin my pension. Truth be known I don't think I put in as much as I'll be gettin out eh. Personally I plan ta live a long time. By then I'll have received far more pension money than I contributed.

Actually I'm kind of a lazy bugger but heck if the guv wants ta give it to me, I'm all for it. Free healthcare. Free this, free that.

Socialism works, eh.

Fuk SSI. Its a rip off and ponzi scheme thats already bankrupted because libtards gave all the money away to undesirables. 

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on October 10, 2025, 04:54:16 PMThis problem is very similar in nature to Social Security.

At what point do we change a broken system and how do we handle the problem fairly for all of those who have paid into it for decades

Myself for instance. For me social security has capped out at the maximum for the last 30 years. So at a rate of approximately 18,000.00 per year multiplied by 30, adjusted for inflation and factoring in earned interest I'd accept a pay out of 750K right now in lieu of the 5424.00 a month they are set to owe me upon retirement.

Provided a few conditions exist of course. they cannot tax that 750K payout and all payments into social security must end immediately.

Under such an arraignment I would happily take my money and go

otherwise, fuck that, I'm expecting my monthly payouts when I retire.

I think the dilemma surrounding birthright is similar. From today forward it must end but how do we properly handle previous cases justly?

I don't have an answer for that one.

I keep hearing that Social Security in the US is nearly bankrupt Biggie Smiles Bigly.


So if that's correct, there may not be any pensions waitin' fer future retirees in America eh? That's why it may be advisable for folks like my good friend Lokmar ta,retire soon eh. So he can get at least some a that pension money in yer country.

I don't have that problem myself since I've already started gettin my pension. Truth be known I don't think I put in as much as I'll be gettin out eh. Personally I plan ta live a long time. By then I'll have received far more pension money than I contributed.

Actually I'm kind of a lazy bugger but heck if the guv wants ta give it to me, I'm all for it. Free healthcare. Free this, free that.

Socialism works, eh.

Quote from: Lokmar on October 12, 2025, 01:26:58 PMKill all liberals, problem solved!

But then who'd rein ya in if ya stepped over the line...Lokmar?!

IDGAF about the kids that were born here. We dont need to deal with that whatsoever.

Are you here illegally? GTFO. Got kids THAT WERE BORN HERE? Either take em with you or hand em over to a relative, friend, or the government. Kids not born here? GTFO!

Born citizenship is an issue for SCOTUS to revisit. We'll be deporting illegals for the rest of my life before we need to worry about next steps.

Quote from: JOE on October 11, 2025, 10:43:41 AMThis the result of overpopulation which the Republican Party is promoting or pushing.

50 years ago before some of ya like Shen Li Shen were born, the world population was less than half of what it is today.

Surprise Surprise...the world was in much better shape.

Fast forward 50 years....the population has doubled to over 8 billion. Illegal migration is just another symptom of overpopulation which should have been addressed 50 years ago when the Club of Rome was warning us about it.

I remembered that back in 1973 or 74 and nobody was listening. They just wanted to make fucking babies.

We've added more people in half a century to this planet than existed for all the prior millennia. No wonder there isn't enough to go around.

50 years ago organizations like UNICEF were pushing feed the hungry children in Africa when they should have been feeding them a cocktail of birth control instead.

Kill all liberals, problem solved!