Quote from: wizer on November 01, 2025, 12:11:25 PMYou missed the part where Microsoft publishes the expected lifecycle of each Windows version and perhaps more importantly that the newest operating system is a free upgrade.

Yeah, see this is where I get suspicious. In my experience, anything that is offered to you "free" usually is because YOU are the product. Microsoft isn't doing this out of the goodness of their heart because *ahem* they haven't got one. It's a business just like any other, they are expecting to leverage payment out of the user at some level. O one-time licensing fee is not going to cover what they do, so they sell your behaviour over and over again to third parties who will exploit it in ways you never agreed to in the first place.

Again, "fine if that arrangement works for you" but I reckon I'm worth substantially more than that. I'm also not down with the increasing amount of CPU cycles of my machine being devoted to the whims or our corporate overlords. I paid for this hardware, I get to decide how it is used. Not Bill Gates, not his henchmen, not his business associates who would lock me out of my own system for doing shit they might deem "problematic" at the drop of a hat.

Windows 11 is not a free upgrade, it is a tightening of the collar around your neck and mine. Prove me wrong.

Quote from: wizer on November 01, 2025, 06:22:22 AMNot understanding why you would go to the trouble of installing a newer version of Windows 10 when Windows 11 is more secure and will be supported by Microsoft for many years to come, while Windows 10 is going to be vulnerable to all sorts of hacks very soon?

Did I mention Windows 11 is a) free and b) backwards compatible with almost any computer running Windows 10 today and if it isn't then you've got a pc that really should be used as nothing more than a doorstop,

I actually think you know why some people wouldn't. Microsoft's flex over who actually owns the hardware and it's increasing overreach in terms of how it is used is a well documented cause for concern among industry professionals and casual users alike. And you might argue that they have a right to do that; I might argue that me paying for the privilege of them curating the contents of my hard drives and monitoring my every move online is a deal-breaker for me.

I have options. They aren't easy, granted, but I defy anyone to show me anything worthwhile that was. I've got LTSC support to October of next year, more than enough time for me to familiarize myself with something like Mint or Ubuntu and (eventually) Arch. Will it come at a cost in terms of some graphical bells and whistles? Probably, but it will be my choice to forsake those in favour of faster performance, less bloat and most importantly, privacy. Much of what I do on my computers will be largely unaffected.

Bill Gates can be someone else's jailer, I'm leaving the reservation and frankly... I reckon good riddance to bad rubbish. But you do you.

Oliver the Second

Disregard my prior comment in regard to the cost of Windows 11.

You can pick up a Product Key on Ebay for under $20. For about double that you can get it in a self installing version on a USB drive that takes a few steps out of the process but you're still going to have to apply a few hacks to get it to install on an older machine. And there's still a slim chance it won't install on your computer even with the hacks applied.

But running Windows 7 and loading unknown websites is foolish to say the least.

Quote from: Oliver the Second on November 01, 2025, 12:47:42 PMYou really are Joe aren't you 

Damn you got me fast I figured it would take someone at least a week.

Have a cookie. But just one!

Quote from: wizer on November 01, 2025, 12:45:47 PMA Microsoft account is free... Cost is about $140

You really are Joe aren't you 

Quote from: Oliver the Second on November 01, 2025, 12:36:08 PMI'm still using Windows 7, do I get a free upgrade? No? Well it doesn't matter because my computer doesn't have a 'special chip' in it and wouldn't run Windows 11 anyway. So I would have to buy a new computer with registration which forces you to have a Microsoft account whether I want one or not just for the privilege of allowing all of my data to be sent back for "quality assurance". 

Windows 11 can be installed on most pc's with some workarounds. A Microsoft account is free and has many benefits including a way to securely access your data from anywhere you've got internet access.

Cost is about $140

Quote from: wizer on November 01, 2025, 12:11:25 PMYou missed the part where Microsoft publishes the expected lifecycle of each Windows version and perhaps more importantly that the newest operating system is a free upgrade.

Microsoft as well as many third party analysts have explained that it's more efficient to build a new OS rather than try to patch the old one as they battle security issues which are constantly being developed by users with malicious intent.

I'm still using Windows 7, do I get a free upgrade? No? Well it doesn't matter because my computer doesn't have a 'special chip' in it and wouldn't run Windows 11 anyway. So I would have to buy a new computer with registration which forces you to have a Microsoft account whether I want one or not just for the privilege of allowing all of my data to be sent back for "quality assurance".

But to be fair I do agree it's more efficient to build a new OS - as long as it isn't Windows.

Quote from: Oliver the Second on November 01, 2025, 12:08:50 PMWhich only proves what a lousy product Windows is. It should be invulnerable to hacks when it's released but instead we get buggy messes that only get fixed when hackers discover the exploits that Microsoft was too stupid or lazy to find themselves.

You know what you're going to be hearing next year? "You really need to upgrade to Windows 12 because Windows 11 will be vulnerable very soon..."

It's nothing more than a collusion between Microsoft and hardware manufactures to force people to shell out cash year after year after year in exchange for a product that tracks your every move and sends everything on your hard drive back to Microsoft which then sells your data to anyone with enough cash.

Fuck Microsoft. Use Linux instead and stay free.

You missed the part where Microsoft publishes the expected lifecycle of each Windows version and perhaps more importantly that the newest operating system is a free upgrade.

Microsoft as well as many third party analysts have explained that it's more efficient to build a new OS rather than try to patch the old one as they battle security issues which are constantly being developed by users with malicious intent.

Quote from: wizer on November 01, 2025, 06:22:22 AM...while Windows 10 is going to be vulnerable to all sorts of hacks very soon?

Which only proves what a lousy product Windows is. It should be invulnerable to hacks when it's released but instead we get buggy messes that only get fixed when hackers discover the exploits that Microsoft was too stupid or lazy to find themselves.

You know what you're going to be hearing next year? "You really need to upgrade to Windows 12 because Windows 11 will be vulnerable very soon..."

It's nothing more than a collusion between Microsoft and hardware manufactures to force people to shell out cash year after year after year in exchange for a product that tracks your every move and sends everything on your hard drive back to Microsoft which then sells your data to anyone with enough cash.

Fuck Microsoft. Use Linux instead and stay free.

Not understanding why you would go to the trouble of installing a newer version of Windows 10 when Windows 11 is more secure and will be supported by Microsoft for many years to come, while Windows 10 is going to be vulnerable to all sorts of hacks very soon?

Did I mention Windows 11 is a) free and b) backwards compatible with almost any computer running Windows 10 today and if it isn't then you've got a pc that really should be used as nothing more than a doorstop,

Quote from: Oliver the Second on October 14, 2025, 10:04:21 AMI wonder if Microsoft is going to pitch in to help recycle the millions of perfectly functional computers that are about to hit the landfill.


I ain't betting on it.

The Tech Savvy don't recommend upgrading to Windows 11 Oliver the Second llie!

I wonder if Microsoft is going to pitch in to help recycle the millions of perfectly functional computers that are about to hit the landfill.


I ain't betting on it.

It was a lengthy complicated process but I got it done.

Not like a Mac that's fer sure.

I got Windows Mac OSx & Linux installed on the same computer eh.

I jes use whichever one works when needed.

They're all kludgy n quirky.