Quote from: Reggie Essent on Today at 07:19:41 PMI touched on this point before. If you have an illegal that has been here for 15-20+ years, you have to ask yourself WHY they have been here that long and taken no steps to naturalize.

I understand your point about the optics of removing people that have been here for decades and woven themselves in to the fabric of our local communities ... but again, you have to ask yourselves why they have been here so long and remained illegal.

Clearly there is some kind of incentive structure that drives this phenomenon that has to be unravelled and corrected. Whether it's scamming from our social safety net programs, free health care at the nearest emergency room, free education for their kids or simply dodging taxation, there is obviously some benefit that long term illegals are taking advantage of by remaining illegal.

These incentives must be identified and removed.  In the meantime, yes the optics will look bad when Juan the friendly gardener gets swept up in an ICE raid or the Tamale Lady who has sold tamales on the same street corner for 20 years gets deported, but by now I'm quite sure these kinds of people have all heard that if they self-deport they can get on the list to return legally - and even get a few grand to help them through.

Not always my friend. I've personally seen illegals get fleeched by scumbag attorneys looking to prey upon the uninformed and vulnerable

and again, if it is determined that they have lived off the public dime for any amount of time lasting longer than a your average unemployment timespan they're out.

As Lokmar pointed out and I am in full agreement with, this would be done on a case by case basis as I believe every case is unique and has it's own physiology to investigate

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 12:39:59 PMSo when we see a guy here for 15 years who has NEVER broken a law. NEVER availed himself of public assistance. Contributed positively to our economy in the form of hard labor, and in some instances even contributed to a social safety net he can never benefit from we cannot provision for him an expedited path to legal citizenship while holding him accountable for his past infraction in the form of a fine?  that's not possible for a few thousand people at most?

I touched on this point before. If you have an illegal that has been here for 15-20+ years, you have to ask yourself WHY they have been here that long and taken no steps to naturalize.

I understand your point about the optics of removing people that have been here for decades and woven themselves in to the fabric of our local communities ... but again, you have to ask yourselves why they have been here so long and remained illegal.

Clearly there is some kind of incentive structure that drives this phenomenon that has to be unravelled and corrected. Whether it's scamming from our social safety net programs, free health care at the nearest emergency room, free education for their kids or simply dodging taxation, there is obviously some benefit that long term illegals are taking advantage of by remaining illegal.

These incentives must be identified and removed.  In the meantime, yes the optics will look bad when Juan the friendly gardener gets swept up in an ICE raid or the Tamale Lady who has sold tamales on the same street corner for 20 years gets deported, but by now I'm quite sure these kinds of people have all heard that if they self-deport they can get on the list to return legally - and even get a few grand to help them through.

Westboro Baptist needs to protest this stupid whores funeral with "GOD HATES FAGS" signs!

Quote from: . on Today at 05:10:32 PMPeople... people... slow your flow for a moment.

What was the hot news this time last week, anyone remember? I seem to recall something about a ten trillion dollar fraud that the state governor of Minnesota was implicated in. Quite damaging for leftist aspirations of a solid turnout of dem voters in the midterms I imagine.


This is what is known as never letting a good crisis go to waste. Tampon Tim was on the ropes, his political aspirations of a third term of governor well and truly in the toilet. No redemption arc. You cannot tell me with a straight face that the democrat elites aren't jubilant that 'Nae Good's carcass breathed its last when it did, it's a heaven sent excuse to moralfag all over the place. Screaming "nazis" at the tops of their voices to drown out any reports of their money laundering operations with the Somalis.

I noticed something else; this happened five years and a day after Ashli Babbitt, a war veteran, was shot in the head by a capitol police officer as she was pushed through a door up in DC. More than one leftist twat has been heard to remark what an idiot she was for finding herself in such a position, even as recently as the day before 'Nae took it into her head to commit multiple felonies and attempt to evade arrest in Minnesota. A little consistency wouldn't go astray here, don't you think?

Donald Trump was elected precisely because the lion's share of the electorate wanted an end to the rampant corruption and mismanagement of the Democrat criminal class. Drawing down of the opportunities for electoral fraud and the ongoing destruction of the average American citizen's prosperity by expiditing the removal of illegal aliens is part and parcel of that mandate.

I don't care if a muff-gobbling mother of three (two of whom which were not in her care) decides to matyr herself for their cause. She could have exited the car when told to and still be alive today. In fact she could have simply not shown up and had more or less the same result.

She didn't, she's dead. Good shit. Let her example shine on for any other cretin who decides to FAFO in front of designated officers carrying out the will of the American people.

Especially anyone that seeks to profit to the tune of ten trillion dollars of US taxpayer money.

I'd shit in her casket!

Quote from: Dove on Today at 02:26:03 PMI voted for democrats up until Obama.

 When I vote I pay attention. I regretted my Obama vote in 2008 within his first term.

 And when I rightfully criticized the terrible shit he was doing, and his gross smugness....other Obama voters would dog pile me.

 At first it shocked me, I wasnt prepared for that. I was niave and believed people actually cared. I learned fast it was about power and control.

 And ive been a right wing extremist ever since.

 Im used to not having the popular opinion in the room and ill stand on my convictions even at the threat of harm. Im not someone to be bullied. Especially when it comes to the welfare and prosperity and dignity of the USA.

 All this marxist garbage started a long time ago and its really come into itself now. It's a horrifying shame.

I'm liberal minded Dove.

And yet, I sent my condolences to Charlie Kirk's Widow Erika Franze & family when he was killed.

When misfortune/death befalls a family I don't mock them.

Actually it's appalling that people on the LEFT & the RIGHT are mocking or attack Charlie's Widow.

ie - Candace Owens and scores of American Liberals.

My my reaction to them - is leave 'er alone.

I'm sure she is suffering a great deal of grief and has to deal with children who now have no father.

So a lotta you people on the Right think that liberals or people on the Left are all cheering that Kirk died.

But a lot of them aren't. And they share their sadness.

Both Biden and Obama did send their condolences to Erika and her children.

There seems to be a lack of compassion either way people can't drop the party line chit.

I just wish people on the Rght would show just as much empathy for those who have fallen on the Left as well as their side.

Quote from: . on Today at 05:10:32 PMPeople... people... slow your flow for a moment.

What was the hot news this time last week, anyone remember? I seem to recall something about a ten trillion dollar fraud that the state governor of Minnesota was implicated in. Quite damaging for leftist aspirations of a solid turnout of dem voters in the midterms I imagine.


This is what is known as never letting a good crisis go to waste. Tampon Tim was on the ropes, his political aspirations of a third term of governor well and truly in the toilet. No redemption arc. You cannot tell me with a straight face that the democrat elites aren't jubilant that 'Nae Good's carcass breathed its last when it did, it's a heaven sent excuse to moralfag all over the place. Screaming "nazis" at the tops of their voices to drown out any reports of their money laundering operations with the Somalis.

I noticed something else; this happened five years and a day after Ashli Babbitt, a war veteran, was shot in the head by a capitol police officer as she was pushed through a door up in DC. More than one leftist twat has been heard to remark what an idiot she was for finding herself in such a position, even as recently as the day before 'Nae took it into her head to commit multiple felonies and attempt to evade arrest in Minnesota. A little consistency wouldn't go astray here, don't you think?

Donald Trump was elected precisely because the lion's share of the electorate wanted an end to the rampant corruption and mismanagement of the Democrat criminal class. Drawing down of the opportunities for electoral fraud and the ongoing destruction of the average American citizen's prosperity by expiditing the removal of illegal aliens is part and parcel of that mandate.

I don't care if a muff-gobbling mother of three (two of whom which were not in her care) decides to matyr herself for their cause. She could have exited the car when told to and still be alive today. In fact she could have simply not shown up and had more or less the same result.

She didn't, she's dead. Good shit. Let her example shine on for any other cretin who decides to FAFO in front of designated officers carrying out the will of the American people.

Especially anyone that seeks to profit to the tune of ten trillion dollars of US taxpayer money.

absolutely. the scum on the left.. in particular those in the line of fire in Minnesota are beside themselves with jubilee that one of their foot soldiers was indeed stupid enough to take them at their words and make this type of contact with law enforcement.

Notice how there are no Somalis at any of these protests? You have to give them credit on one thing. They don't give the slightest fuck about Renee Goon and at least they are honest about it.

And this is why these animals are now on a national tour trying to turn up the rhetoric as doing so does a couple of things. Primes the dumb public for a potential victory in the house, and, God forbid, the senate too

AND takes the focus away from their crimes. 

Quote from: Lokmar on Today at 04:17:27 PMI have no doubt we could agree on a specific case by case basis on allowing certain people to stay.

And see that is all I am advocating for my bro. Very specific cases and circumstances whereby the only mistake made was one years ago in a state of desperation. I can forgive an infraction committed in desperation provided it has some very specific criteria attached to it and the perpetrator has sought to do no harm to another.

Quote from: Frood on Today at 04:27:22 PMI agree with your empathy, but they did break laws. They illegally immigrated. Criminal acts require punishment.

Would you sign over the deed to a property because squatters squatted there for 15 years but made some improvements to the property and neighborhood? Of course not. They can never be rewarded for squatting on your property.

However, if you're so inclined... after evicting the squatters, you can put the home on the market and offer them a 5-10% discount.

They can't stay there though...

I'm all for the punishment bro -- fines.. community service etc.

Especially if they can demonstrate they did try the legal route and were swindled by some scum attorney -- in that circumstance not even the fines would be a fare form of justice as they themselves are the biggest victim.

People... people... slow your flow for a moment.

What was the hot news this time last week, anyone remember? I seem to recall something about a ten trillion dollar fraud that the state governor of Minnesota was implicated in. Quite damaging for leftist aspirations of a solid turnout of dem voters in the midterms I imagine.


This is what is known as never letting a good crisis go to waste. Tampon Tim was on the ropes, his political aspirations of a third term of governor well and truly in the toilet. No redemption arc. You cannot tell me with a straight face that the democrat elites aren't jubilant that 'Nae Good's carcass breathed its last when it did, it's a heaven sent excuse to moralfag all over the place. Screaming "nazis" at the tops of their voices to drown out any reports of their money laundering operations with the Somalis.

I noticed something else; this happened five years and a day after Ashli Babbitt, a war veteran, was shot in the head by a capitol police officer as she was pushed through a door up in DC. More than one leftist twat has been heard to remark what an idiot she was for finding herself in such a position, even as recently as the day before 'Nae took it into her head to commit multiple felonies and attempt to evade arrest in Minnesota. A little consistency wouldn't go astray here, don't you think?

Donald Trump was elected precisely because the lion's share of the electorate wanted an end to the rampant corruption and mismanagement of the Democrat criminal class. Drawing down of the opportunities for electoral fraud and the ongoing destruction of the average American citizen's prosperity by expiditing the removal of illegal aliens is part and parcel of that mandate.

I don't care if a muff-gobbling mother of three (two of whom which were not in her care) decides to matyr herself for their cause. She could have exited the car when told to and still be alive today. In fact she could have simply not shown up and had more or less the same result.

She didn't, she's dead. Good shit. Let her example shine on for any other cretin who decides to FAFO in front of designated officers carrying out the will of the American people.

Especially anyone that seeks to profit to the tune of ten trillion dollars of US taxpayer money.

*** unless they go through the proper channels and pay for the home.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 12:39:59 PMthat I can support as 72 hours is a whole lot different a dynamic that 7 or 15 years. 72 hours affords the opportunity for re-assimilation into the country of origin. A 15 year hiatus from the country of origin is tantamount to a death sentence -- or at a minimum, the HOV lane to a life of poverty and despair. We all know that, so let's at least be honest about what it is.

it's essentially our gov fault this migrant was allowed in. our gov fault he stayed so long and our gov fault the court system and parasitical leeches that orbit it a.k.a attorneys are so utterly broken and corrupt. As American citizens WE cannot, more often than not, navigate this nebulous den of thievery and we're expecting someone who does not know our ways, the nuances of our culture and our language to do it? C'mon. 

So when we see a guy here for 15 years who has NEVER broken a law. NEVER availed himself of public assistance. Contributed positively to our economy in the form of hard labor, and in some instances even contributed to a social safety net he can never benefit from we cannot provision for him an expedited path to legal citizenship while holding him accountable for his past infraction in the form of a fine?  that's not possible for a few thousand people at most?

Seriously? when we allow presidents to lie to us about weapons of mass destruction, yoke our bravest with unreasonable rules of engagement which get them killed in lands they couldn't find on a map, divide us along racial lines, rob the treasury, enrich our enemies and a litany of other high crimes too lengthy to list out here?

you're telling me, that when the possibility exists, that some scumbag attorney fleeced them for their last dime selling them dreams, the court system wore them down with bloated bureaucracy  and the process led nowhere every time they tried you still cannot find it within yourself to show a little compassion ?  You're just going to destroy a human being? Because they crossed an imaginary line on a map 20 years ago and happened to visit the wrong attorney? Got stuck with some bullshit judge or could no longer sustain the financial drainage this entire conglomerate of parasites is famous for repeating time after time after fucking time?

again, I am advocating for a very small cross section of this population who's continuance in this country wouldn't harm a soul. A cross section that is probably more morally fluent and better suited to the American than 80% of the slobs that were born here.

This I cannot stand with and will never stand with it. I don't care what that makes me in the eyes of anyone.

I agree with your empathy, but they did break laws. They illegally immigrated. Criminal acts require punishment.

Would you sign over the deed to a property because squatters squatted there for 15 years but made some improvements to the property and neighborhood? Of course not. They can never be rewarded for squatting on your property.

However, if you're so inclined... after evicting the squatters, you can put the home on the market and offer them a 5-10% discount.

They can't stay there though...

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 01:08:59 PMtaking your example and focusing on it I will tell you that upon arrival MANY Venezuelans had considerable financial resource at their disposable as many of them were wealthy to middle class citizens in their homeland prior to the dictatorship decided to oust them.

so what does this mean? This means that many of the Venezuelans you see today who have followed the legal route in it's entirety had the financial resource to sustain a long and cumbersome process that literally bankrupts those who do not. But how many decent people tried that but simply lacked the financial resource to sustain the process?

I can agree that you are mostly correct as the ones my family knows had a support system that had financial stability. They themselves had NOTHING because the regime took all their shit and they only had the clothes on their back. They two I know of specifically had a well established work ethic in Venezuela and the people in the states sponsored them when they first came here and now they are productive members of society and I welcome them to stay.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 01:08:59 PMthese are the people my mercy extends to as I know from personal experience how disgustingly corrupt, inefficient and outright evil our judicial system is. And if the possibility exists that they tried this route and failed, through no fault of their own, I am perfectly willing to open my mind and heart to a provision which allows them to expedite a path to citizenship devoid of all the slug and refuse normally resident in our court system

I have no doubt we could agree on a specific case by case basis on allowing certain people to stay. We all have our own pools of experience to draw from and mine is from the person who works as a case worker in Illinois. My go to is always the illegal who runs a construction business and he employs illegals. This case worker has personally known about this since the late 90's and tried repeatedly to report it until, just like the fraud in Minneapolis, they were told to STFU or they would be written up and possibly terminated.

The illegal construction company owner and his family had a file and received aid, all his illegal workers and their wives and kids received aid including free medical. The entire time, the State of Illinois knew exactly what their status and physical addresses were. The State aided and enabled their fraud. My taxes went to all that and they got it all without paying into the system. Most people have a general idea how fucked up Illinois is now because of all this bullshit. We're basically in a bottomless pit of a hole we will never dig out of.

I bet this crew of people are 40 plus and some even retired or dead by now. While I've no doubt that all these people work/ed hard, fuck em! I'm salty AF against them and want them gone. Just as much, I'd like to see the politicians executed for their part. Its a total betrayal of their duty.

My family lived in a shithole house and drove POS used cars so we could send our 4 kids to a private school because the public schools that I also support via taxation are complete shit. That was my choice and we "suffered" the consequences of our choice.

Quote from: Dove on Today at 02:01:32 PMScott LoBaio (or however his spelled) is awesome.

 Do you know who he is? He is a sort of activists who was painting flags all over.

 I would LOVE to have one of his US Flag paintings. Seriously. I would hang that right above the mantel of the fireplace. I have LARGE cobblestone fireplace and one of his flag paintings would be awesome to have there.

 I dont know why but everytime I see a video of his, I feel better lol.

 You would like him. He is Sicilian and a New Yorker lol 

I know who he is. I follow him on instagram

Quote from: Shen Li on January 11, 2026, 09:54:59 PMThey can't think for themselves. They follow the herd. Even Dove acknowledges they are followers. Actually it's most whites of West European descent.

 I voted for democrats up until Obama.

 When I vote I pay attention. I regretted my Obama vote in 2008 within his first term.

 And when I rightfully criticized the terrible shit he was doing, and his gross smugness....other Obama voters would dog pile me.

 At first it shocked me, I wasnt prepared for that. I was niave and believed people actually cared. I learned fast it was about power and control.

 And ive been a right wing extremist ever since.

 Im used to not having the popular opinion in the room and ill stand on my convictions even at the threat of harm. Im not someone to be bullied. Especially when it comes to the welfare and prosperity and dignity of the USA.

 All this marxist garbage started a long time ago and its really come into itself now. It's a horrifying shame.

 I notice all the programming now. All the movies that painted the USA as the bad guys. Dances with Wolves. Full Metal jackasset. The list is long. American History X where they took very normal republican stances on immigration and made it into nazi beliefs blatantly. Have you seen that film? Omg.

 Shows. News. Universities. People have been indoctrinated into hating their own country.


 I saw a video on Iran, and in the comments there were American woman saying "You guys don't want the US authoritarian government "helping" you" and openly stating that "we are just as oppressed". They took a comment section on a video talking about Iranians fighting for basic freedoms...and made it about themselves and how oppressed they are here in the USA.

 And Iranians who came here were telling them "you dont know how great you have it. You have everything here. Youre ungrateful. This is the best country in the world" and these brainwashed bitches doubled down.

 It was so embarrassing, and rage inducing. I had to put my phone down. How fucking spoiled, self absorbed and narcissistic can someone be...to shameless claim that here in the US we are "just as oppressed" and the people fighting in Iran? The Persian people.

 It made me almost vomit. That's how stupid and spoiled they are. No empathy. No shame. No humility. No gratitude. They'll drive us all off a cliff before they realize how destructive and stupid they are.

 Its embarrassing to me, as an American woman. I knew it was bad but lately its even worse than I thought it was.

 I have tried for many years to have civil discourse with them but they dont want civil discourse. They dont care. They just hate us. They'd rather see us dead than have any sort of peace.

 You'd think middle aged women would want a safer and more prosperous country for their children to raise their grandchildren in. Thats what I want. I want my daughters to be able to have all the opportunities being American gives them and to be able to raise their own families in a safe and prosperous country that preserves their liberties and constitutional rights.

 That shouldnt be some wild extremist desire to have but alas.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 12:59:49 PMThat might as well be me right there this guy is so perfectly aligned with my philosophy

and I will go a step further and I'm certain he would agree. My conservative brethren need to realize that their current reaction, while understandable, is EXACTLY the reaction the leftist scum want. They want us to be the types of heartless fanatics, unmovable by compassion,  that could see a human being ripped from his/her way of life despite having assimilated and are American for all intents and purposes. Hell, more of an American than that scum Walz or that hyena that lost the election. 

And wouldn't it be a beautiful thing if we stripped them of that ability? If we showed them up to be the liars they truly are?

 Scott LoBaio (or however his spelled) is awesome.

 Do you know who he is? He is a sort of activists who was painting flags all over.

 I would LOVE to have one of his US Flag paintings. Seriously. I would hang that right above the mantel of the fireplace. I have LARGE cobblestone fireplace and one of his flag paintings would be awesome to have there.

 I dont know why but everytime I see a video of his, I feel better lol.

 You would like him. He is Sicilian and a New Yorker lol