Essentially Renee Goof gave her life to run cover for this type of shit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oZRBxt6e_s

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 08:02:19 PMNo of course not. But in many instances he did assure them if they bankrupted themselves putting his kids through college they would become US citizens... that has happened more times than anyone is willing to admit to

it's all a racket -- the judges, the attorneys, the politicians that benefit -- they are all eating off the same plate of misery and despair that continue to foster and fuel their greed.

and what I am advocating for is to strip ALL OF THEM of such rich rewards at the expense of others.

Because the real victims in this travesty of justice? The decent morally upright migrants who happen to be illegal and the average US citizen

No one just "happens" to be an illegal alien, especially when talking about folks you are talking about. People that have been here for years and years and have built their lives here and contributed to their communities ... except that pesky immigration status thingie.

For the life of me, I cannot grasp why such a basically good person would remain as an illegal for decades sometimes unless there is some benefit for them.  You don't "just happen" to build a life in a community and remain an illegal foreign national for decades.

I'll take the bad optics for a few years until we get this all straightened out.

Quote from: Frood on Today at 07:56:31 PMDid the scum attorney smuggle them into the US against their will and physically prevent them from trying to return to their home nations?

If so... perhaps some leniency might apply.

No of course not. But in many instances he did assure them if they bankrupted themselves putting his kids through college they would become US citizens... that has happened more times than anyone is willing to admit to

it's all a racket -- the judges, the attorneys, the politicians that benefit -- they are all eating off the same plate of misery and despair that continue to foster and fuel their greed.

and what I am advocating for is to strip ALL OF THEM of such rich rewards at the expense of others.

Because the real victims in this travesty of justice? The decent morally upright migrants who happen to be illegal and the average US citizen

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 05:56:21 PMI'm all for the punishment bro -- fines.. community service etc.

Especially if they can demonstrate they did try the legal route and were swindled by some scum attorney -- in that circumstance not even the fines would be a fare form of justice as they themselves are the biggest victim.

Did the scum attorney smuggle them into the US against their will and physically prevent them from trying to return to their home nations?

If so... perhaps some leniency might apply.

Quote from: Reggie Essent on Today at 07:19:41 PMI touched on this point before. If you have an illegal that has been here for 15-20+ years, you have to ask yourself WHY they have been here that long and taken no steps to naturalize.

I understand your point about the optics of removing people that have been here for decades and woven themselves in to the fabric of our local communities ... but again, you have to ask yourselves why they have been here so long and remained illegal.

Clearly there is some kind of incentive structure that drives this phenomenon that has to be unravelled and corrected. Whether it's scamming from our social safety net programs, free health care at the nearest emergency room, free education for their kids or simply dodging taxation, there is obviously some benefit that long term illegals are taking advantage of by remaining illegal.

These incentives must be identified and removed.  In the meantime, yes the optics will look bad when Juan the friendly gardener gets swept up in an ICE raid or the Tamale Lady who has sold tamales on the same street corner for 20 years gets deported, but by now I'm quite sure these kinds of people have all heard that if they self-deport they can get on the list to return legally - and even get a few grand to help them through.

Not always my friend. I've personally seen illegals get fleeched by scumbag attorneys looking to prey upon the uninformed and vulnerable

and again, if it is determined that they have lived off the public dime for any amount of time lasting longer than a your average unemployment timespan they're out.

As Lokmar pointed out and I am in full agreement with, this would be done on a case by case basis as I believe every case is unique and has it's own physiology to investigate

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 12:39:59 PMSo when we see a guy here for 15 years who has NEVER broken a law. NEVER availed himself of public assistance. Contributed positively to our economy in the form of hard labor, and in some instances even contributed to a social safety net he can never benefit from we cannot provision for him an expedited path to legal citizenship while holding him accountable for his past infraction in the form of a fine?  that's not possible for a few thousand people at most?

I touched on this point before. If you have an illegal that has been here for 15-20+ years, you have to ask yourself WHY they have been here that long and taken no steps to naturalize.

I understand your point about the optics of removing people that have been here for decades and woven themselves in to the fabric of our local communities ... but again, you have to ask yourselves why they have been here so long and remained illegal.

Clearly there is some kind of incentive structure that drives this phenomenon that has to be unravelled and corrected. Whether it's scamming from our social safety net programs, free health care at the nearest emergency room, free education for their kids or simply dodging taxation, there is obviously some benefit that long term illegals are taking advantage of by remaining illegal.

These incentives must be identified and removed.  In the meantime, yes the optics will look bad when Juan the friendly gardener gets swept up in an ICE raid or the Tamale Lady who has sold tamales on the same street corner for 20 years gets deported, but by now I'm quite sure these kinds of people have all heard that if they self-deport they can get on the list to return legally - and even get a few grand to help them through.

Westboro Baptist needs to protest this stupid whores funeral with "GOD HATES FAGS" signs!

Quote from: . on Today at 05:10:32 PMPeople... people... slow your flow for a moment.

What was the hot news this time last week, anyone remember? I seem to recall something about a ten trillion dollar fraud that the state governor of Minnesota was implicated in. Quite damaging for leftist aspirations of a solid turnout of dem voters in the midterms I imagine.


This is what is known as never letting a good crisis go to waste. Tampon Tim was on the ropes, his political aspirations of a third term of governor well and truly in the toilet. No redemption arc. You cannot tell me with a straight face that the democrat elites aren't jubilant that 'Nae Good's carcass breathed its last when it did, it's a heaven sent excuse to moralfag all over the place. Screaming "nazis" at the tops of their voices to drown out any reports of their money laundering operations with the Somalis.

I noticed something else; this happened five years and a day after Ashli Babbitt, a war veteran, was shot in the head by a capitol police officer as she was pushed through a door up in DC. More than one leftist twat has been heard to remark what an idiot she was for finding herself in such a position, even as recently as the day before 'Nae took it into her head to commit multiple felonies and attempt to evade arrest in Minnesota. A little consistency wouldn't go astray here, don't you think?

Donald Trump was elected precisely because the lion's share of the electorate wanted an end to the rampant corruption and mismanagement of the Democrat criminal class. Drawing down of the opportunities for electoral fraud and the ongoing destruction of the average American citizen's prosperity by expiditing the removal of illegal aliens is part and parcel of that mandate.

I don't care if a muff-gobbling mother of three (two of whom which were not in her care) decides to matyr herself for their cause. She could have exited the car when told to and still be alive today. In fact she could have simply not shown up and had more or less the same result.

She didn't, she's dead. Good shit. Let her example shine on for any other cretin who decides to FAFO in front of designated officers carrying out the will of the American people.

Especially anyone that seeks to profit to the tune of ten trillion dollars of US taxpayer money.

I'd shit in her casket!

Quote from: Dove on Today at 02:26:03 PMI voted for democrats up until Obama.

 When I vote I pay attention. I regretted my Obama vote in 2008 within his first term.

 And when I rightfully criticized the terrible shit he was doing, and his gross smugness....other Obama voters would dog pile me.

 At first it shocked me, I wasnt prepared for that. I was niave and believed people actually cared. I learned fast it was about power and control.

 And ive been a right wing extremist ever since.

 Im used to not having the popular opinion in the room and ill stand on my convictions even at the threat of harm. Im not someone to be bullied. Especially when it comes to the welfare and prosperity and dignity of the USA.

 All this marxist garbage started a long time ago and its really come into itself now. It's a horrifying shame.

I'm liberal minded Dove.

And yet, I sent my condolences to Charlie Kirk's Widow Erika Franze & family when he was killed.

When misfortune/death befalls a family I don't mock them.

Actually it's appalling that people on the LEFT & the RIGHT are mocking or attack Charlie's Widow.

ie - Candace Owens and scores of American Liberals.

My my reaction to them - is leave 'er alone.

I'm sure she is suffering a great deal of grief and has to deal with children who now have no father.

So a lotta you people on the Right think that liberals or people on the Left are all cheering that Kirk died.

But a lot of them aren't. And they share their sadness.

Both Biden and Obama did send their condolences to Erika and her children.

There seems to be a lack of compassion either way people can't drop the party line chit.

I just wish people on the Rght would show just as much empathy for those who have fallen on the Left as well as their side.

Quote from: . on Today at 05:10:32 PMPeople... people... slow your flow for a moment.

What was the hot news this time last week, anyone remember? I seem to recall something about a ten trillion dollar fraud that the state governor of Minnesota was implicated in. Quite damaging for leftist aspirations of a solid turnout of dem voters in the midterms I imagine.


This is what is known as never letting a good crisis go to waste. Tampon Tim was on the ropes, his political aspirations of a third term of governor well and truly in the toilet. No redemption arc. You cannot tell me with a straight face that the democrat elites aren't jubilant that 'Nae Good's carcass breathed its last when it did, it's a heaven sent excuse to moralfag all over the place. Screaming "nazis" at the tops of their voices to drown out any reports of their money laundering operations with the Somalis.

I noticed something else; this happened five years and a day after Ashli Babbitt, a war veteran, was shot in the head by a capitol police officer as she was pushed through a door up in DC. More than one leftist twat has been heard to remark what an idiot she was for finding herself in such a position, even as recently as the day before 'Nae took it into her head to commit multiple felonies and attempt to evade arrest in Minnesota. A little consistency wouldn't go astray here, don't you think?

Donald Trump was elected precisely because the lion's share of the electorate wanted an end to the rampant corruption and mismanagement of the Democrat criminal class. Drawing down of the opportunities for electoral fraud and the ongoing destruction of the average American citizen's prosperity by expiditing the removal of illegal aliens is part and parcel of that mandate.

I don't care if a muff-gobbling mother of three (two of whom which were not in her care) decides to matyr herself for their cause. She could have exited the car when told to and still be alive today. In fact she could have simply not shown up and had more or less the same result.

She didn't, she's dead. Good shit. Let her example shine on for any other cretin who decides to FAFO in front of designated officers carrying out the will of the American people.

Especially anyone that seeks to profit to the tune of ten trillion dollars of US taxpayer money.

absolutely. the scum on the left.. in particular those in the line of fire in Minnesota are beside themselves with jubilee that one of their foot soldiers was indeed stupid enough to take them at their words and make this type of contact with law enforcement.

Notice how there are no Somalis at any of these protests? You have to give them credit on one thing. They don't give the slightest fuck about Renee Goon and at least they are honest about it.

And this is why these animals are now on a national tour trying to turn up the rhetoric as doing so does a couple of things. Primes the dumb public for a potential victory in the house, and, God forbid, the senate too

AND takes the focus away from their crimes. 

Quote from: Lokmar on Today at 04:17:27 PMI have no doubt we could agree on a specific case by case basis on allowing certain people to stay.

And see that is all I am advocating for my bro. Very specific cases and circumstances whereby the only mistake made was one years ago in a state of desperation. I can forgive an infraction committed in desperation provided it has some very specific criteria attached to it and the perpetrator has sought to do no harm to another.

Quote from: Frood on Today at 04:27:22 PMI agree with your empathy, but they did break laws. They illegally immigrated. Criminal acts require punishment.

Would you sign over the deed to a property because squatters squatted there for 15 years but made some improvements to the property and neighborhood? Of course not. They can never be rewarded for squatting on your property.

However, if you're so inclined... after evicting the squatters, you can put the home on the market and offer them a 5-10% discount.

They can't stay there though...

I'm all for the punishment bro -- fines.. community service etc.

Especially if they can demonstrate they did try the legal route and were swindled by some scum attorney -- in that circumstance not even the fines would be a fare form of justice as they themselves are the biggest victim.

People... people... slow your flow for a moment.

What was the hot news this time last week, anyone remember? I seem to recall something about a ten trillion dollar fraud that the state governor of Minnesota was implicated in. Quite damaging for leftist aspirations of a solid turnout of dem voters in the midterms I imagine.


This is what is known as never letting a good crisis go to waste. Tampon Tim was on the ropes, his political aspirations of a third term of governor well and truly in the toilet. No redemption arc. You cannot tell me with a straight face that the democrat elites aren't jubilant that 'Nae Good's carcass breathed its last when it did, it's a heaven sent excuse to moralfag all over the place. Screaming "nazis" at the tops of their voices to drown out any reports of their money laundering operations with the Somalis.

I noticed something else; this happened five years and a day after Ashli Babbitt, a war veteran, was shot in the head by a capitol police officer as she was pushed through a door up in DC. More than one leftist twat has been heard to remark what an idiot she was for finding herself in such a position, even as recently as the day before 'Nae took it into her head to commit multiple felonies and attempt to evade arrest in Minnesota. A little consistency wouldn't go astray here, don't you think?

Donald Trump was elected precisely because the lion's share of the electorate wanted an end to the rampant corruption and mismanagement of the Democrat criminal class. Drawing down of the opportunities for electoral fraud and the ongoing destruction of the average American citizen's prosperity by expiditing the removal of illegal aliens is part and parcel of that mandate.

I don't care if a muff-gobbling mother of three (two of whom which were not in her care) decides to matyr herself for their cause. She could have exited the car when told to and still be alive today. In fact she could have simply not shown up and had more or less the same result.

She didn't, she's dead. Good shit. Let her example shine on for any other cretin who decides to FAFO in front of designated officers carrying out the will of the American people.

Especially anyone that seeks to profit to the tune of ten trillion dollars of US taxpayer money.

*** unless they go through the proper channels and pay for the home.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 12:39:59 PMthat I can support as 72 hours is a whole lot different a dynamic that 7 or 15 years. 72 hours affords the opportunity for re-assimilation into the country of origin. A 15 year hiatus from the country of origin is tantamount to a death sentence -- or at a minimum, the HOV lane to a life of poverty and despair. We all know that, so let's at least be honest about what it is.

it's essentially our gov fault this migrant was allowed in. our gov fault he stayed so long and our gov fault the court system and parasitical leeches that orbit it a.k.a attorneys are so utterly broken and corrupt. As American citizens WE cannot, more often than not, navigate this nebulous den of thievery and we're expecting someone who does not know our ways, the nuances of our culture and our language to do it? C'mon. 

So when we see a guy here for 15 years who has NEVER broken a law. NEVER availed himself of public assistance. Contributed positively to our economy in the form of hard labor, and in some instances even contributed to a social safety net he can never benefit from we cannot provision for him an expedited path to legal citizenship while holding him accountable for his past infraction in the form of a fine?  that's not possible for a few thousand people at most?

Seriously? when we allow presidents to lie to us about weapons of mass destruction, yoke our bravest with unreasonable rules of engagement which get them killed in lands they couldn't find on a map, divide us along racial lines, rob the treasury, enrich our enemies and a litany of other high crimes too lengthy to list out here?

you're telling me, that when the possibility exists, that some scumbag attorney fleeced them for their last dime selling them dreams, the court system wore them down with bloated bureaucracy  and the process led nowhere every time they tried you still cannot find it within yourself to show a little compassion ?  You're just going to destroy a human being? Because they crossed an imaginary line on a map 20 years ago and happened to visit the wrong attorney? Got stuck with some bullshit judge or could no longer sustain the financial drainage this entire conglomerate of parasites is famous for repeating time after time after fucking time?

again, I am advocating for a very small cross section of this population who's continuance in this country wouldn't harm a soul. A cross section that is probably more morally fluent and better suited to the American than 80% of the slobs that were born here.

This I cannot stand with and will never stand with it. I don't care what that makes me in the eyes of anyone.

I agree with your empathy, but they did break laws. They illegally immigrated. Criminal acts require punishment.

Would you sign over the deed to a property because squatters squatted there for 15 years but made some improvements to the property and neighborhood? Of course not. They can never be rewarded for squatting on your property.

However, if you're so inclined... after evicting the squatters, you can put the home on the market and offer them a 5-10% discount.

They can't stay there though...