Quote from: Frood on Today at 04:47:17 PMIf they don't get caught for 20 years and draw no benefits plus committed no other crimes except being a illegal squatter motherfucking fuckhead but worked and cared for themselves, ok... they can stay but no Social Security, Medicare, other welfares ever... no tax refunds. No voting rights.

Deal?

Sounds reasonable enough.

Provided the following as a caveat. If they can prove either of two things then I would be looking to go after the true culprit to make the American tax payer whole.

1. If they can prove they went through the immigration process with an attorney and were assured citizenship but it turns out they were lied to. In such a case they too are a victim and the real predator is the attorney.. whom we should go after.

2. They can prove previous employers withheld taxes. In a situation where the government was never actually paid we should then go after employer and carve a provision for them to start accruing  said benefits as they are not culpable for the actions of that dishonest employer. Unless they were somehow in on the arraignment. then all bets are off.

Other than that? They lived free and clear of taxes for 20 years and had to know something was wasn't quite right  with that but continued down that pathway anyway. Under such a circumstance options you stipulate are a fair penance to atone for their sins.

 

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 12:24:50 PMHard to say. We could have someone here for 20 years and 18 of them were spent living off the taxpayer, still doesn't speak English and has made next to no position contributions to our society

that would NOT be someone I advocate for

but on the flip side, you may have someone who's here 10 years and has an amazing track record to reflect their character. I would advocate for that person.

He/she would need to go through the official process to make their presence legal but I would ensure their ability to remain were not tethered to their financial ability to support the greed of an utterly broken system

If they don't get caught for 20 years and draw no benefits plus committed no other crimes except being a illegal squatter motherfucking fuckhead but worked and cared for themselves, ok... they can stay but no Social Security, Medicare, other welfares ever... no tax refunds. No voting rights.

Deal?

Quote from: Lokmar on Today at 03:31:08 PMIllegals on the dole need deported. End of.

100% no questions asked.

Illegals on the dole need deported. End of.

Quote from: Dove on Today at 12:43:49 PMI would support this.

 Its time to check on our immigration laws imo.


 To be fair its supposed to be hard to immigrate and they SHOULD be assimilating. The US used to only allow hard working and exceptional immigrants.

I am 100% behind a tough immigration policy. Ie seal the border shut. Not a single one comes in.

But at the same time. The front door should NOT be riddled with inefficiencies that make it ripe with opportunities for the blood sucking attorneys to fleece people looking to enjoy the American dream

in fact, take the entire process out of the court system entirely and give it to an agency that lawyers have zero influence on or affinity to

it's a simple equation if one has standards and an official policy to govern the process. Either a migrant meets the qualifications or they don't -- why an attorney or a judge has to be a part of that process is an enigma to me as all they are capable of doing is to muddy the waters.

Quote from: . on Today at 01:37:54 PMNot the least nowadays because they are ripe for exploitation. Much is made about the dems loving their illegals because of the voting bump they often represent; know too that on the right that illegals are cherished in certain circles because they will work for dirt cheap and can be kicked to the kerb with little (read "no") recourse whatsoever.

Get enough of them, you keep the wages low and conditions shitty for the actual citizens. This is more or less why Vivek needed to be kicked out on his ass over the whole H1B visa thing; his policies were geared towards flooding the market with what was effectively cheap indentured servants while the average American struggles to scratch out a living.

I'd have tied the curry munching fuckwit by his cock to the front of one of Prowler's muscle cars myself. Disingenuous traitor, he can fuck right back to Streetshitterville any time he likes.

yet another example of shit I do not support. Taking food out of the American worker's plate is not America first.

Quote from: Dove on Today at 12:43:49 PMI would support this.

 Its time to check on our immigration laws imo.


 To be fair its supposed to be hard to immigrate and they SHOULD be assimilating. The US used to only allow hard working and exceptional immigrants.

Not the least nowadays because they are ripe for exploitation. Much is made about the dems loving their illegals because of the voting bump they often represent; know too that on the right that illegals are cherished in certain circles because they will work for dirt cheap and can be kicked to the kerb with little (read "no") recourse whatsoever.

Get enough of them, you keep the wages low and conditions shitty for the actual citizens. This is more or less why Vivek needed to be kicked out on his ass over the whole H1B visa thing; his policies were geared towards flooding the market with what was effectively cheap indentured servants while the average American struggles to scratch out a living.

I'd have tied the curry munching fuckwit by his cock to the front of one of Prowler's muscle cars myself. Disingenuous traitor, he can fuck right back to Streetshitterville any time he likes.

Quote from: Brent on Today at 11:56:30 AMI don't think they make that distinction in Poland between long term illegal and recent. Maybe they do.

All I know is that I like their asylum and immmigration laws and especially their enforcement. Which is why Poland is one of the safest countries in Europe.

 The only one with no terror attacks.

 My daughter and her girlfriend recently spent a few weeks in Poland. They really enjoyed it.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 12:24:50 PMHard to say. We could have someone here for 20 years and 18 of them were spent living off the taxpayer, still doesn't speak English and has made next to no position contributions to our society

that would NOT be someone I advocate for

but on the flip side, you may have someone who's here 10 years and has an amazing track record to reflect their character. I would advocate for that person.

He/she would need to go through the official process to make their presence legal but I would ensure their ability to remain were not tethered to their financial ability to support the greed of an utterly broken system

 I would support this.

 Its time to check on our immigration laws imo.


 To be fair its supposed to be hard to immigrate and they SHOULD be assimilating. The US used to only allow hard working and exceptional immigrants.

Quote from: Brent on Today at 11:54:14 AMI just did a search. He is different from most artists.

 He is a good guy.

Quote from: Frood on Today at 12:13:03 PMSo a statute of limitations then? 20 years ?

Hard to say. We could have someone here for 20 years and 18 of them were spent living off the taxpayer, still doesn't speak English and has made next to no position contributions to our society

that would NOT be someone I advocate for

but on the flip side, you may have someone who's here 10 years and has an amazing track record to reflect their character. I would advocate for that person.

He/she would need to go through the official process to make their presence legal but I would ensure their ability to remain were not tethered to their financial ability to support the greed of an utterly broken system

Quote from: Brent on Today at 11:56:30 AMI don't think they make that distinction in Poland between long term illegal and recent. Maybe they do.

All I know is that I like their asylum and immmigration laws and especially their enforcement. Which is why Poland is one of the safest countries in Europe.

If they adopted this policy as a longstanding measure and applied it consistently then logically they would not be deporting people who fall into the cross section I advocate for. And THAT I can support.

What I cannot support is some scum bag leftist administration encouraging desperate people to come here and allowing them to stay just to siphon their vote or contribution to the census count and then YEARS later, after they have built a life and have demonstrated they are honest, hardworking and morally upright members of the community telling them they now have to go back to a land they do not know because they violated some imaginary line on a map.

So their sacrifices mean nothing? The sweat of their hands which many of us have leveraged at one point or another in our lives to our own financial gain are worthless? They are simply expendable objects?

I can never support that. Ever. No matter how many apples to oranges scenarios you place before me. I applaud Poland and support their policies but I'm sure to date, Poland has handled this situation a lot better than we have and therefor have far less nuance. these are human lives we are talking about and that alone calls for some level of reverence when evaluating the unique physiology of each situation.  This is a case by case situation and needs to be evaluated as such 

Now that's not to say I don't support strong immigration policy. I do. Better to have a solid immigration prevention policy in place which allows NONE of them in to begin with.and A solid plan to deport the human waste that has infiltrated in the past.

But to say that every last one of them must go no matter how positive a contribution to this nation they have made, no matter how many sacrifices they have made .. at the end of it all they are nothing more than a criminal deserving of what amounts to a death sentence demonstrates we accept NO responsibility for our own shortcomings and the role WE PLAYED in this human tragedy and THAT is something I will never get behind. I'd rather sit out an election and encourage others to do the same and watch as leftists burn this country to the ground than support that.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 09:52:02 AMthat is exactly the ones I am referring to and the ONLY ones I am referring to.

The people I am advocating for make up 1% of the illegal population. If that.

They are hardworking, law abiding (aside from the initial crime), morally upright, community building people of faith and moral compass. A very small contingent worthy of mercy due to a demonstrated history of being a better human beings than 99% of the current left.

Why this is so difficult for my side to understand I'll just never know. We cannot get out of our own way it seems and with these hardline attitudes we are destined to lose this war...

I completely understand the frustration with the current state of affairs and I counter with "part of the reason the scum on the left created this problem in the first place IS so that you have this reaction" this is the left trolling us on the right and we are taking the bait hook line and sinker.. as you will never get a reasonably minded person who sits on the fence to vote in favor of throwing away good people like they were garbage .People can get on board when you are bouncing some societal leech, scam artist, violent criminal or pedophile.

but to grab a person who's been a hardworking person of moral character for decades and exile them to what pretty much amounts to a death sentence? Nah, no decent human being is going to get on board with that.. and to be frank here, if this is what my party has become I might just sit out the next election as I want no part of that. And I am about as right wing as you can possibly get .... so just imagine the mind of the independent fence sitter.

So a statute of limitations then? 20 years ?

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on January 12, 2026, 12:39:59 PMthat I can support as 72 hours is a whole lot different a dynamic that 7 or 15 years. 72 hours affords the opportunity for re-assimilation into the country of origin. A 15 year hiatus from the country of origin is tantamount to a death sentence -- or at a minimum, the HOV lane to a life of poverty and despair. We all know that, so let's at least be honest about what it is.

it's essentially our gov fault this migrant was allowed in. our gov fault he stayed so long and our gov fault the court system and parasitical leeches that orbit it a.k.a attorneys are so utterly broken and corrupt. As American citizens WE cannot, more often than not, navigate this nebulous den of thievery and we're expecting someone who does not know our ways, the nuances of our culture and our language to do it? C'mon. 

So when we see a guy here for 15 years who has NEVER broken a law. NEVER availed himself of public assistance. Contributed positively to our economy in the form of hard labor, and in some instances even contributed to a social safety net he can never benefit from we cannot provision for him an expedited path to legal citizenship while holding him accountable for his past infraction in the form of a fine?  that's not possible for a few thousand people at most?

Seriously? when we allow presidents to lie to us about weapons of mass destruction, yoke our bravest with unreasonable rules of engagement which get them killed in lands they couldn't find on a map, divide us along racial lines, rob the treasury, enrich our enemies and a litany of other high crimes too lengthy to list out here?

you're telling me, that when the possibility exists, that some scumbag attorney fleeced them for their last dime selling them dreams, the court system wore them down with bloated bureaucracy  and the process led nowhere every time they tried you still cannot find it within yourself to show a little compassion ?  You're just going to destroy a human being? Because they crossed an imaginary line on a map 20 years ago and happened to visit the wrong attorney? Got stuck with some bullshit judge or could no longer sustain the financial drainage this entire conglomerate of parasites is famous for repeating time after time after fucking time?

again, I am advocating for a very small cross section of this population who's continuance in this country wouldn't harm a soul. A cross section that is probably more morally fluent and better suited to the American than 80% of the slobs that were born here.

This I cannot stand with and will never stand with it. I don't care what that makes me in the eyes of anyone.

I don't think they make that distinction in Poland between long term illegal and recent. Maybe they do.

All I know is that I like their asylum and immmigration laws and especially their enforcement. Which is why Poland is one of the safest countries in Europe.

Quote from: Dove on January 12, 2026, 02:01:32 PMScott LoBaio (or however his spelled) is awesome.

 Do you know who he is? He is a sort of activists who was painting flags all over.

 I would LOVE to have one of his US Flag paintings. Seriously. I would hang that right above the mantel of the fireplace. I have LARGE cobblestone fireplace and one of his flag paintings would be awesome to have there.

 I dont know why but everytime I see a video of his, I feel better lol.

 You would like him. He is Sicilian and a New Yorker lol 

I just did a search. He is different from most artists.