Quote from: Lokmar on Today at 12:50:07 PMdemocRATs are terrorists and should be gassed like jews.

The left is practically begging for a civil war.

Quote from: Brent on Today at 12:21:48 PMIt happened again. Watch this from 1:52. And as has been noted already the mob is entirely made up of misguided White people.

This cannot be allowed to continue. Shoot all of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp0m9AEN9Zs

democRATs are terrorists and should be gassed like jews.

It is about time. The working class in Minnesota is getting sick of these social justice warriors breaking the law.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3yJiivi8C4

It happened again. Watch this from 1:52. And as has been noted already the mob is entirely made up of misguided White people.

This cannot be allowed to continue. Shoot all of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp0m9AEN9Zs

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on January 13, 2026, 08:03:16 PMI understand that. But self deporting for a person who has been here for 20 years is not as easy in the real world as you are making it seem here.

What does this person do on day two upon arrival in what is now a completely foreign land after he self deports? What does his family do if he is the bread winner and they happen to be US citizens?

it is not as easy in practice as it is in theory.

Now if you said to me that a provision exists where people could show up at a predetermined facility close to their areas of residence where their case can be evaluated fairly without any intervention from this broken extortion ring we attempt to pass off as a justice system -  and that decades of faithful adherence to our laws and values would afford them a high probability of continuation then I'd happily jump on board.

but we both know that is NOT what is being presented as a genuine and feasible option here.

What is being presented is tantamount to asking someone to play Russian roulette with at least two bullets in the chamber and assuring them the odds are in their favor. No one in their right mind is taking that up.

Likewise, a person who has actually built something here with the sweat of their own hands is going to have a hell of a lot of hesitation walking away from that under the promise that coming back through the front door will reunite them with all that they have lost... with our broken system? In what, 10 to 15 years after they are thoroughly bankrupted? no one in their right mind under those circumstances is doing that and it would be unreasonable to use that as the basis to pigeon hole their character profile.

Think about it realistically for a second. By their own admissions the DHS say they are seeking out people with Court Orders to Deport. How would there be a court order in the first place had this person not attempted, at one point or another, to go the judicial route. Cause I can tell you right now, I know lots of people that have been here for years and never seen the inside of a court house, let alone have their cases presented before a judge.

So let's devise a system where we incentivize them to come to us with assurances that there is a reasonably attainable end goal. Make it clear that all bets are off if we have to come get you. Show compassion. Show reasonableness and the good ones will come to you.

Again, I am advocating for a very small population here. I'd be outright stunned if 50,000 people currently in this country fit the profile I am referring to. The bar is as it should be. High. And I am certainly not referring to animals who commit crimes or jerkoffs like the one we saw on tiktok mocking Americans and teaching his kind how to squad in other peoples houses. they can get fucked and starve to death for all I care.

But I can definitely find it within myself to show mercy to the guy who's worked his ass off for the last 20 years in construction 6 or 7 days a week and can probably say that he's in one way or another built 50% of the houses in the town he lives him. He's stayed out of trouble, contributed positively to society and is a man of high moral character.  Or the mother equally moral to the man I just described who gave birth to a son here 20 plus years ago that went on to become a Marine and fight in one of our many pointless wars -- and God forbid did not make it home.

Are you prepared to tell her thanks for your sacrifice now get the fuck out ? I'm not.

Good point.

Get rid of the anchor laws and grandfather in from that date for the offspring of illegals.

Quote from: Frood on January 13, 2026, 12:13:03 PMSo a statute of limitations then? 20 years ?

I don't care how long they have been in the country. All that means is that they have been breaking the law longer.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on January 13, 2026, 09:35:42 AMyou have to wonder how those scumbags got a law like that to pass in the first place.

Forcing a bank to lend to people who are in the act of committing a crime is absurd and is part of the risk profile a bank NEEDS to evaluate when determining if the candidate is loan worthy

these people truly were on a mission to destroy this country

Did the banks not protest?

Quote from: Shen Li on January 13, 2026, 11:37:44 PMI have never had so much hope in a new president and been more disappointed than I was in Barack Obama.

 You know I went back and watched all those speeches that made me want to vote for him to find out what I missed and learn from it right?

 Boy did i feel stupid when I realize what he was actually saying. It was a whole lot of well worded nothing and promises to "fundamentally change" the country

 I noticed with democrats they get happy words and repeat them. Like Obamas "hope and change". They tried "joy" with Kamala lol. They always have slogans.

 I felt so duped falling for it. I was really niave about politics and government at 28 though.

 We had hope in Obama by design....not on our own, imo.

Quote from: Dove on January 13, 2026, 03:01:28 AMI was spitting on Obama by 2012. That was the only election I didnt vote in at all since I became a voting citizen.

 It hurt too. Obama ushered in racailized politics.

 I hadnt quite yet entered into republican politics quite yet at that time but if I could do it over, id have voted McCain. Not that he moved me or that im only board with everything he would have done....but getting Obama out would have been worth it.

 I was eyeballing Ted Cruise in 2016 until I saw Trump mailing the press, calling out Republican donors, telling Hillary she would be in jail. Talking about defeating Isis. How he campaigns is incredible. Trump will go to blue districts on his own dime just to talk to the people.

 So I was all in for Trump early on lol.

I have never had so much hope in a new president and been more disappointed than I was in Barack Obama.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on January 13, 2026, 08:03:16 PMI understand that. But self deporting for a person who has been here for 20 years is not as easy in the real world as you are making it seem here.

What does this person do on day two upon arrival in what is now a completely foreign land after he self deports? What does his family do if he is the bread winner and they happen to be US citizens?

it is not as easy in practice as it is in theory.

So? Let it be a Life Lesson in FAFO.  It's been clearly communicated to every single person in this country that every single illegal alien - without regard to how long they have been here - must self deport and register if they want any hope of returning legally.  No special, squeegie exceptions for this DACA dreamer or that. This all gets straightened out by everyone standing in line to enter legally. Period.

QuoteNow if you said to me that a provision exists where people could show up at a predetermined facility close to their areas of residence where their case can be evaluated fairly without any intervention from this broken extortion ring we attempt to pass off as a justice system -  and that decades of faithful adherence to our laws and values would afford them a high probability of continuation then I'd happily jump on board.

but we both know that is NOT what is being presented as a genuine and feasible option here.

True. The last thing we need is a new Federally Funded program. It's best that everyone illegal self deport and come back through an existing and already funded portal.

QuoteWhat is being presented is tantamount to asking someone to play Russian roulette with at least two bullets in the chamber and assuring them the odds are in their favor. No one in their right mind is taking that up.

Likewise, a person who has actually built something here with the sweat of their own hands is going to have a hell of a lot of hesitation walking away from that under the promise that coming back through the front door will reunite them with all that they have lost... with our broken system? In what, 10 to 15 years after they are thoroughly bankrupted? no one in their right mind under those circumstances is doing that and it would be unreasonable to use that as the basis to pigeon hole their character profile.

Yeah? So? Fuck them. Not my problem. We've got to get this mess cleared up and we don't need to muddy everything up with "well, if this is such and that is this" when the answer is clear as crystal and simple.  If you are in this country illegally, you must self deport and register to return legally.

Can't get more simple and uncomplicated than that.

Quote from: Reggie Essent on January 13, 2026, 05:30:44 PMBigs,

The "case-by-case" vetting you are outlining is already provisioned by the DHS directives.  All illegals, without regard to how long they have been here, must self-deport. Doing so puts them on the list to return legally. Failure to self deport and being swept up by ICE precludes any chance to legally return.

I'm all for some kind of Commission for expediting the process of vetting long-term illegal aliens for return to their communities.  This is something that should be proposed and discussed to recognize that there are probably many thousands of long-term illegals that might deserve to be given break.

But as I said, this type of recognition is already provisioned in the DHS directive that all illegals MUST self deport to be eligible for legal return.

The line jumpers gotta jump through the hoops, man.

I understand that. But self deporting for a person who has been here for 20 years is not as easy in the real world as you are making it seem here.

What does this person do on day two upon arrival in what is now a completely foreign land after he self deports? What does his family do if he is the bread winner and they happen to be US citizens?

it is not as easy in practice as it is in theory.

Now if you said to me that a provision exists where people could show up at a predetermined facility close to their areas of residence where their case can be evaluated fairly without any intervention from this broken extortion ring we attempt to pass off as a justice system -  and that decades of faithful adherence to our laws and values would afford them a high probability of continuation then I'd happily jump on board.

but we both know that is NOT what is being presented as a genuine and feasible option here.

What is being presented is tantamount to asking someone to play Russian roulette with at least two bullets in the chamber and assuring them the odds are in their favor. No one in their right mind is taking that up.

Likewise, a person who has actually built something here with the sweat of their own hands is going to have a hell of a lot of hesitation walking away from that under the promise that coming back through the front door will reunite them with all that they have lost... with our broken system? In what, 10 to 15 years after they are thoroughly bankrupted? no one in their right mind under those circumstances is doing that and it would be unreasonable to use that as the basis to pigeon hole their character profile.

Think about it realistically for a second. By their own admissions the DHS say they are seeking out people with Court Orders to Deport. How would there be a court order in the first place had this person not attempted, at one point or another, to go the judicial route. Cause I can tell you right now, I know lots of people that have been here for years and never seen the inside of a court house, let alone have their cases presented before a judge.

So let's devise a system where we incentivize them to come to us with assurances that there is a reasonably attainable end goal. Make it clear that all bets are off if we have to come get you. Show compassion. Show reasonableness and the good ones will come to you.

Again, I am advocating for a very small population here. I'd be outright stunned if 50,000 people currently in this country fit the profile I am referring to. The bar is as it should be. High. And I am certainly not referring to animals who commit crimes or jerkoffs like the one we saw on tiktok mocking Americans and teaching his kind how to squad in other peoples houses. they can get fucked and starve to death for all I care.

But I can definitely find it within myself to show mercy to the guy who's worked his ass off for the last 20 years in construction 6 or 7 days a week and can probably say that he's in one way or another built 50% of the houses in the town he lives him. He's stayed out of trouble, contributed positively to society and is a man of high moral character.  Or the mother equally moral to the man I just described who gave birth to a son here 20 plus years ago that went on to become a Marine and fight in one of our many pointless wars -- and God forbid did not make it home.

Are you prepared to tell her thanks for your sacrifice now get the fuck out ? I'm not.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on January 13, 2026, 05:02:53 PMSounds reasonable enough.

Provided the following as a caveat. If they can prove either of two things then I would be looking to go after the true culprit to make the American tax payer whole.

1. If they can prove they went through the immigration process with an attorney and were assured citizenship but it turns out they were lied to. In such a case they too are a victim and the real predator is the attorney.. whom we should go after.

2. They can prove previous employers withheld taxes. In a situation where the government was never actually paid we should then go after employer and carve a provision for them to start accruing  said benefits as they are not culpable for the actions of that dishonest employer. Unless they were somehow in on the arraignment. then all bets are off.

Other than that? They lived free and clear of taxes for 20 years and had to know something was wasn't quite right  with that but continued down that pathway anyway. Under such a circumstance options you stipulate are a fair penance to atone for their sins.

 

Bigs,

The "case-by-case" vetting you are outlining is already provisioned by the DHS directives.  All illegals, without regard to how long they have been here, must self-deport. Doing so puts them on the list to return legally. Failure to self deport and being swept up by ICE precludes any chance to legally return.

I'm all for some kind of Commission for expediting the process of vetting long-term illegal aliens for return to their communities.  This is something that should be proposed and discussed to recognize that there are probably many thousands of long-term illegals that might deserve to be given break.

But as I said, this type of recognition is already provisioned in the DHS directive that all illegals MUST self deport to be eligible for legal return.

The line jumpers gotta jump through the hoops, man.

Quote from: Frood on January 13, 2026, 04:47:17 PMIf they don't get caught for 20 years and draw no benefits plus committed no other crimes except being a illegal squatter motherfucking fuckhead but worked and cared for themselves, ok... they can stay but no Social Security, Medicare, other welfares ever... no tax refunds. No voting rights.

Deal?

Sounds reasonable enough.

Provided the following as a caveat. If they can prove either of two things then I would be looking to go after the true culprit to make the American tax payer whole.

1. If they can prove they went through the immigration process with an attorney and were assured citizenship but it turns out they were lied to. In such a case they too are a victim and the real predator is the attorney.. whom we should go after.

2. They can prove previous employers withheld taxes. In a situation where the government was never actually paid we should then go after employer and carve a provision for them to start accruing  said benefits as they are not culpable for the actions of that dishonest employer. Unless they were somehow in on the arraignment. then all bets are off.

Other than that? They lived free and clear of taxes for 20 years and had to know something was wasn't quite right  with that but continued down that pathway anyway. Under such a circumstance options you stipulate are a fair penance to atone for their sins.

 

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on January 13, 2026, 12:24:50 PMHard to say. We could have someone here for 20 years and 18 of them were spent living off the taxpayer, still doesn't speak English and has made next to no position contributions to our society

that would NOT be someone I advocate for

but on the flip side, you may have someone who's here 10 years and has an amazing track record to reflect their character. I would advocate for that person.

He/she would need to go through the official process to make their presence legal but I would ensure their ability to remain were not tethered to their financial ability to support the greed of an utterly broken system

If they don't get caught for 20 years and draw no benefits plus committed no other crimes except being a illegal squatter motherfucking fuckhead but worked and cared for themselves, ok... they can stay but no Social Security, Medicare, other welfares ever... no tax refunds. No voting rights.

Deal?