Quote from: Dove on Today at 08:34:24 PMI didnt do that. I knew when Charlie Kirk was murdered the left would celebrate it. Im well aware the liberal left are savages who want violence and bloodshed of people they disagree with 

 I never once expected, or called for ANY sympathy. For the same reasons I dont expect my dog Eddie to do algebra.  I dont ask for or expect anything from anyone that I know they are incapable of giving.

 I stopped believing a long time ago that liberal leftists were even capable of empathy. I have watched these people destroy US communities, beat and kill innocent people...even children. Drive into parades and mock children killed in floods.

 I never "cried out in outrage" over Kirk, nor did I ask tyrannical sociopaths for sympathy.

 I observe and I point out. Thats it.

 I expect gas lighting attempts like this one you just did.

 Shooting a man for no reason who is doing nothing more than hosting a legal event isnt the same thing as a law enforcement officers shooting a person who got involved in them carrying out lawful duties while having a gun on him.

 But I dont know how capable any of you are in understanding why those two situations are fundamentally different. And that is terrifying and I hope that we never end up at the mercy of people who are this in capable of empathy and who cannot grasp nuance, context or discern information.

 I appreciate your severe limitations here and I understand that in your head this is only about "sides".  That your grasp of this is not much deeper than "they were upset when we shot one of theirs....now they are mocking us because they shot one of ours!" Like i GET this is the mentality here. And its fucking SCARY.

 There is right and wrong. We have laws and processes. NO ONE on the liberal left understands any of it....and if any do? They are gaslighting and lying than for the sake of this cold civil war.

 Never at any point in any state can anyone...me included...get involved myself in a police confrontation with a gun without being tased or shot.

 The rules we ALL have to follow dont magically change to accommodate angry liberals who hate democracy.

 What law was Charlie Kirk breaking?

 I swear to God we have a massive intelligence gap in the world because if you cant see the different between Charlie Kirk being murdered over speech the tyrants didnt like and a guy committing felonies and resisting arrest with a gun?

 We can't discuss this. You are not equipped to discuss this. You cant understand any of it.

 If Charlie Kirk was out there obstructing law enforcement and had a gun on him and resisted arrest? He would have been shot there as well. And it would still be justified.

 With the way so many of you think in this one dimensional, no nuance way.....like Kirks murder was the same as Pretti....thats a terrifying world you are hoping for. 

 A lot of you are disconnected from reality. Or pretending to be. Either way....its ridiculous, Joe. And dishonest. 

 Be better than this.

Why do you bother attempting to reason with imbeciles? you really think you are going to get somewhere productive with this mong?

Weird how ICE is operating perfectly fine in every other state, but the one with $19 billion in fraud has riots

Something else I found that white marxists won't reveal.

Under Obama, the ACLU and Migration Policy Institute documented a complete shift toward "non-judicial removals" what they called "speed over fairness."

By 2012, 75% of all deportations bypassed judges entirely**, handled instead by DHS officers acting as both judge and jury. That's not due process that's administrative removal.

> "Only one quarter of all people facing expulsion get to present their case before an immigration judge... Nonjudicial removals are fast-track proceedings wholly controlled by DHS, sometimes involving only a single border agent who acts as both judge and jury."
> — Joanne Lin, *ACLU*, "Speed Over Fairness: Deportation Under the Obama Administration" (May 1, 2014)

And while we're on facts the Los Angeles Times investigation confirmed that at least 1,480 U.S. citizens were detained by ICE between 2012 and 2018 and later released after proving citizenship.
Many were held for weeks or months before ICE admitted its mistake.
That's not conjecture that's ICE's own data.
It's inconsistent, pretending that abuses only count when your preferred party isn't in power.

Isn't this interesting.

Data analyst Kevin Bass (@kevinnbass) just exposed the pattern nobody in the media wants to admit. After analyzing public databases and media reports on violent confrontations with ICE over the past year, Bass found that just nine counties—each a sanctuary jurisdiction run by Democrat politicians—accounted for 63% of all violent ICE confrontations nationwide.

These nine counties produced twice as many violent incidents as the remaining 3,134 counties combined, and a violent confrontation in one of these jurisdictions was 590 times more likely than in any of the other counties.

The top offenders were plotted on the map and included:
 • Los Angeles County: 25 incidents
 • Chicago (Cook County): 28
 • Minneapolis (Hennepin County): 21
 • New York City: 12
 • San Francisco: 6
 • Portland: 6
 • Seattle: 4
 • Denver: 4
 • Newark: 4

All nine are sanctuary jurisdictions where local officials actively resist federal immigration enforcement.

Bass's conclusion is stark: "These violent confrontations are rare in states and cities where local officials cooperate with law enforcement." In non-sanctuary areas, cooperation leads to calm enforcement. In these nine Democrat-run sanctuary strongholds, resistance breeds violence—against agents, bystanders, protesters, and the public.

This isn't coincidence. It's policy. Sanctuary rules create havens for escalation, doxxing, blockades, and attacks—while the rest of America sees almost none.

Of 170 US citizens detained by ICE, about 130 were arrested for interfering with or assaulting officers, according to the left-leaning ProPublica.

Trump error rate = 0.0067%.

Obama's error rate = 0.0225%.  I.e. THREE TIMES THE TRUMP ERROR RATE.
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Under Trump, there's been one death for every 18,594 detainees.

Under Obama there was one death for every 14,314 detainees.

Under Trump, the number of American citizens accidentally deported: ZERO.

Under Obama, the number of American citizens accidentally deported: FOUR.
https://x.com/AnnCoulter/status/2015123907330683100?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2015127988426219777%7Ctwgr%5Ef7cbe5f4be82b47f636f044746971384407b7ed4%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fheadlineusa.com%2Fobama-ice-error-rate-3x-trump%2F

End sanctuary cities now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kxPanJVL58

Quote from: Shen Li on January 26, 2026, 10:55:51 PMDon't be lectured by people who cheer political violence and then claim the moral high ground.

- They laughed and celebrated when Charlie Kirk was murdered.
- They praised and lionized Luigi Mangione.
- They mocked the attempted assassination of President Trump and said the shooter should've been better.
- They never mourned Ashley Babbitt.
- They never mourned Laken Riley.
- They never mourned Jocelyn Nungary.
- They never mourned Iryna Zarutska.

And none of those folks assaulted law enforcement and resisted arrest.
That Mangione guy is a different case.

The owner of BF is the worst forum admin. But, charging a fee to post is a good idea for forum cancers like Seamoron. I think it's time Joe paid a fee to post his prehistoric trolling here.

Sorry to interrupt the thread. Carry on.

Quote from: JOE on Today at 08:06:07 PMIm disappointed by your responses Dove.

You cried out of outrage & asked for public sympathy when Charlie Kirk was shot dead. And many liberals and those on the Left actually offered their condolences and sympathies  to he and his surviving family Dove. And Yet you offer no sympathy for the Minnesota shooting victims.

I offered my sympathies to Charlie Kirk and his widow.

So why cant you the same for 'the other side' Dove.

 I didnt do that. I knew when Charlie Kirk was murdered the left would celebrate it. Im well aware the liberal left are savages who want violence and bloodshed of people they disagree with 

 I never once expected, or called for ANY sympathy. For the same reasons I dont expect my dog Eddie to do algebra.  I dont ask for or expect anything from anyone that I know they are incapable of giving.

 I stopped believing a long time ago that liberal leftists were even capable of empathy. I have watched these people destroy US communities, beat and kill innocent people...even children. Drive into parades and mock children killed in floods.

 I never "cried out in outrage" over Kirk, nor did I ask tyrannical sociopaths for sympathy.

 I observe and I point out. Thats it.

 I expect gas lighting attempts like this one you just did.

 Shooting a man for no reason who is doing nothing more than hosting a legal event isnt the same thing as a law enforcement officers shooting a person who got involved in them carrying out lawful duties while having a gun on him.

 But I dont know how capable any of you are in understanding why those two situations are fundamentally different. And that is terrifying and I hope that we never end up at the mercy of people who are this in capable of empathy and who cannot grasp nuance, context or discern information.

 I appreciate your severe limitations here and I understand that in your head this is only about "sides".  That your grasp of this is not much deeper than "they were upset when we shot one of theirs....now they are mocking us because they shot one of ours!" Like i GET this is the mentality here. And its fucking SCARY.

 There is right and wrong. We have laws and processes. NO ONE on the liberal left understands any of it....and if any do? They are gaslighting and lying than for the sake of this cold civil war.

 Never at any point in any state can anyone...me included...get involved myself in a police confrontation with a gun without being tased or shot.

 The rules we ALL have to follow dont magically change to accommodate angry liberals who hate democracy.

 What law was Charlie Kirk breaking?

 I swear to God we have a massive intelligence gap in the world because if you cant see the different between Charlie Kirk being murdered over speech the tyrants didnt like and a guy committing felonies and resisting arrest with a gun?

 We can't discuss this. You are not equipped to discuss this. You cant understand any of it.

 If Charlie Kirk was out there obstructing law enforcement and had a gun on him and resisted arrest? He would have been shot there as well. And it would still be justified.

 With the way so many of you think in this one dimensional, no nuance way.....like Kirks murder was the same as Pretti....thats a terrifying world you are hoping for. 

 A lot of you are disconnected from reality. Or pretending to be. Either way....its ridiculous, Joe. And dishonest. 

 Be better than this.

Quote from: JOE on Today at 08:06:07 PMIm disappointed by your responses Dove.

You cried out of outrage & asked for public sympathy when Charlie Kirk was shot dead. And many liberals and those on the Left actually offered their to he and his surviving family. condolences and sympathies Dove. And Yet you offer no sympathy for the Minnesota shooting victims.

I offered my sympathies to Charlie Kirk and his widow.

So why cant you the same for 'the other side' Dove.

because the other side are lowlife cock sucking scum who deserve what they get

now fuck off and take your fake sympathies with you

 Id never get my ass whooped by police anyway because I will never fight or challange them in the streets.

 If they grab me im going limp and letting them do whatever they are gonna do.

 And if they abuse me or violate my rights in anyway, im going to calmly allow it and as soon as im safe im asking for medical attention and an attorney.

 I've had a bad run in with police once before. It was mistaken identify and they treated me to a felony stop. It was fucking terrifying. But I cooperated and it got cleared up. I was crying a lot and they felt really bad and apologized profusely but...it is what it is and shit happens.  They mistook me for someone who just committed an armed robbery and they treated me exactly like that until they realized it wasnt me. I cooperated to best of my ability with yelling cop with his gun drawn...it was NOT pleasant. At all. 

 It was a mistake on their behalf. They were not monsters because of it. They truly felt awful and said "we really try to not mistakes like this because we understand this is very frightening experince". 

 I could have made it a lot worse than it already was but...I like staying alive lol.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 07:17:53 PMI gave that .003 seconds and here's my answer

I want you to stay as far away as you can for your own safety NOT making any hostile moves and continuing to record the event so that it can be used to vindicate me later.

but this is because I care for you and your welfare as a friend and a fellow human being.

 Good because if you want me to suicide run into the officers, im gonna have to rethink our relationship lol.

 If police were whooping MY ass....just film it. Don't go running up and involving yourself. Jesus Christ.  Im SURE I'll live and they will get an ambulance for you after they fuck you up. No need for anyone to die over it. If its brutality FILM IT.

 So the woman this guy went to help is perfectly fine. Not even injured at all. He is swiss cheese. Im fact shes probably traumatized now because dumb ass got shot right in front of her. So he did MORE damage in every way.

 So....who did he help? Right NO ONE. He made a dangerous and high stress situation vastly WORSE and he is dead for nothing.

Quote from: Dove on Today at 07:15:19 PMSo hey Big, lemme ask you a question

 Let's say for some reason you are getting your ass whooped by police. Or ICE. Or any law enforcement.

 Right? You were in the wrong place at the wrong time...did nothing...but they started curb stomping your ass and pepper spraying you. And I happen to be there and I have my 9mil glock..nothing fancy. Just ole faithful.

 Would like me to

 A. Stand off at a safe distance and film everything while keeping my hands and fire arm visable at all times

 Or

 B. Should I run up to HELP you with my fire arm concealed?

 What course of action here would help you in this situation the most? Me being able to provide you with evidence of police brutality or me getting 11 rounds unloaded into my dainty white girl body because I was so emotionally sad about them being rough with you?

 Think about it as long as you need to lol

I gave that .003 seconds and here's my answer

I want you to stay as far away as you can for your own safety NOT making any hostile moves and continuing to record the event so that it can be used to vindicate me later.

but this is because I care for you and your welfare as a friend and a fellow human being.