Quote from: Dove on January 19, 2026, 01:40:10 PMDuring covid my stance has been pretty consistent. I like little government intervention in the lives of the people.

 The government exists for one purpose, preserve and protect our constitutional rights.

Oh.

Say, were you aware that there is another purpose it exists for.... and that this other purpose often supercedes the one you propose? I think you might be; you only have to look north of your own border and see how Canada's government is ordering the affairs of its people, should you need a quick reminder. Sometimes it does help to take a quick Goosey Gander of a system you are not personally subject to to get a perspective on what is possible... what might even be happening to you, unnoticed and unremarked because you are in it. I do that all the time myself. Most instructive.

Where do we derive the word "government" from? English is largely a "borrowed language", entymology can help us to understand the nature of the concepts of the words you might encounter within it. "Government" is a good example, borrowed as it is from the french word "gouvernement"; strictly "the act of steering or directing a vessel" when it was first coined. Not the management or administration of a state as it was later euphemistically applied. But the word is older than that even. The French had themselves borrowed the word from the ancient Latin "gubernare", meaning "to steer or pilot". And that in turn came from the ancient Greek "kybernan" which additionally the root word for "cybernetics". Fascinating shit, I'm sure you'll agree.

It's not really saying a lot regarding the minutia of protecting rights though, I notice. The word "government" seems more centered on the concept of someone directing the movement of a vessel of some description. We might call that vessel "the state" for our purposes (plenty do) and the Machiavelli in me might find any number of motivations of where that vessel might be pointed, few of them expressed in the welfare of its constituents. Or to put it another way, if government were amoral enough, it could direct the entire ship over the waterfall into the abyss for any purpose it liked and fuck any social contract its peoples claimed it was bound to.

Government exists because a bunch of "haves" decided to order the affairs of the "have nots". No other reason. And the "haves" very much like "having" and aren't in the business of relinquishing their gains out of the goodness of their hearts because in their hearts they are invested first and foremost of shoring up their own position. Dangle a carrot in front of the "do-ers" (or alternatively, beat them with a stick) and make sure you never let them get too much lest they become competing entities for the guy with his hand on the tiller.

I think you will find that is the crux of the matter. "Onward and upward" as cw_ used to say.

Quote from: Dove on January 19, 2026, 01:40:10 PMDuring covid, we as a people DESERVED and were entitled to CORRECT information. We should have been given correct information, OFFERED resources, and left the fuck alone to make our own individual decisions.

I have that same stance about any medical intervention.

And you and I are in agreement on that score. Too bad that isn't what we got and that any legitimate inquiry was getting steamrollered flat under the Libel-wagon at the time.

St Patricks Day 2020. That's when I knew the China virus was a scam. Overnight my job ground to a standstill (thank you Justin Truedeaup) when social distancing meant that all entertainment venues were shuttered, yet public transport in the city of Ottawa was inexplicably free all of the sudden. It was clear to me from that day that the government was operating not with my interests in mind, but their own.

They and many other governments the world over sold it though. They sold it on a 24/7 curated news cycle where no inquiry let alone consent would be brooked; like the MMR debacle, only on steroids. Cajoling and outright bullying us all to comply, up to and including the ostracizing and summary punishment of those who (like Freud and myself) who did our own due dilligence and refused to.

I maintained throughout all of it that every one of you enjoyed the right to choose. Unlike the government, I actually meant it. I had the same discussion with my father, I gave him all that I knew and understood regarding the whole affiar. He elected to listen to the government and media instead and subsequently succumbed to the most meteoric dive into dementia that I'd ever witnessed. I did not need the confirmation of two studies (one Korean, one Japanese) two years after the fact to tell me what I already knew; that the experimental MRNA jabs presented a very real hazard to the health of those that took them. When I was finally allowed to visit him after two years, the man I knew was gone - there was a ghost in his all but vacant eyes, staring out from the place where emotion and intelligence resided. And I was angrier than I can ever remember being as to him being misled to this, but it was his choice.

Quote from: Dove on January 19, 2026, 01:40:10 PMI will say that gets different when we are talking about public institutions like public schools...and individual practices owned and ran by pediatricians. Just like we have the right to make decisions for ourselves and our businesses, so do they.

 I have no problem with public schools requiring basic childhood vaccinations and offering medical exemptions. Its a public facility....it is what it is. People have the option.

It's not about the basic vaccinations. My taxes have allegedly paid for that facility, I'm told by a pack of ratbags that my kids need to attend it or they will be taken from me by the said ratbags' goons. Fuck that noise. The vaccination schedule nowadays is insane and the shit being shoveled into the kiddies heads is worse.

Quote from: Dove on January 19, 2026, 01:40:10 PMAnytime I have seen Wakefeild brought up to me its been by wacko crunchy anti modern medicine moms.

Yeah, I don't fit that mould now, do I? Maybe the temptation to dismiss me as such is there, but you know deep down that I am a world apart from such.

I'm not the only one.

As an infant in Australia I was subjected to the Triple Antigen (DTP) shot, aimed at providing immunity against diptheria, tetanus and whooping cough. My corresponding measles, mumps and rubella injections on the other hand were administered seperately over a period of time just as Andrew Wakefield was to propose four decades later, at least until such time as the wrinkles of injecting multiple immunisations into infants at once could be studied properly. For which he was labelled an anti-vaxxer. Someone clearly didn't pass their critical thinking units at school. Neither Wakefield or I were saying "don't immunize"; rather it was more a case of "immunize over time". A baby is an incredibly vulnerable organism which you rightly shouldn't be pumping full of vast quantities of shit and not excpect there to be some kind of blowback. "Moderation" would be a good keyword here, particularly when places like the CDC are reportedly dragging their heels on presenting studies as they attempt to order the results in such a way not to affect Merck's bottom line. And I suspect a case can be made for my being overly generous regarding the motive here, since not only were Merck the providers of the MMR, but also of the individual measles, mumps and rubella vaccinations themselves which could have been administered over time where the MMR could not. Ones which were withdrawn from sale barely one month after concerns were raised regarding the MMR.

Because in my case the DTP shot did affect me in an analogous way as the MMR was reported to be affecting British infants. Namely, foaming green shit in the diapers, seizures and behavioural changes. Hey, its better than tetanus, right? Except there were individual vaccinations that might have been administered in that case as well, ones whose efficacy had long been "proven" through study and observation. You have to wonder why pharmaceutical companies would be so keen to invent a better mousetrap when they already have these diseases dead to rights in the first place. I wonder if if might not have something to do with engineering natural immunity out of the human race and making it wholly dependent on the graces of government and Big Pharma.


"Your diseases lovingly cared for for all eternity". Yes, I think I can make a case for that; do forgive me my mistrust in those two institutions. You see, I have a degree of "lived experience" that I can employ in the logical deconstruction of such matters. And it occurs to me that the medical community is aware that Happy Meal injection boxes carry certain risks; when it came time for my younger brother's DTP shot, the paediatrician looked at my case and decided it was more appropriate to gove him seperate injections.

Not all doctors are cunts it seems. Shit tends to float to the top though.

Quote from: Dove on January 19, 2026, 01:40:10 PMI saw a mother sitting doing an interview right in front of her autistic son, saying how he was "destroyed". How he "used to be" a beautiful baby boy. How he will never live a "normal" and it made me absolutely sick seeing her say those things RIGHT IN FRONT of him. Imagine how that would feel to hear your mother telling someone you've been "destroyed".

So? To her mind he couldn't. And a crying mother trotted out to tug at everyone's hearstrings... well that happens every other day of the week. "Ohh shit, a woman is crying, we have to DO something!"

Mothers... decent mothers... want the best for their children. And if you get to investing your time and soul into something as precious as your own flesh and blood, you're naturally gonna get upset when someone fucks with your Grand Vision. You know yourself, if Squish got fundamentally changed by someone or something tomorrow and if you felt you could categorically point your finger at it, you too would be devestated.

My own mother spent her lifetime regretting decisions she had made and playing "what if". We are all of us dealt a hand, I sure had fun with mine. And I made sure to let her know this, because I don't think she ever truly let go of her baby boy enough to take joy in his achievements. I'm happy in my skin, I'm not a mass murderer or even some hate fuelled olive botherer swooning to John Farnham dirges... that's got to count for something.

I don't think it negates the sum and substance of the documentary to include the testimony of a mother you disagree with.

Quote from: Dove on January 19, 2026, 01:40:10 PMI'll go ahead and explore all things Wakefeild. I listen to a lot topics while I clean and work out so I'll just go ahead and focus on just him and what happened there and we will talk about it because I honestly dont know enough about HIM to have any intelligent discussion on it.

 But I absolutely understand where you are coming from with it. I get it. I stand that people are entitled to their freedoms and any load of bullshit presented to us with some agenda designed to influence or force our decisions for ourselves is a violation of our autonomy. I agree with you on that.

I'm not dismissing your take on it - he could simply be a quack, I'm just not seeing it. I'm very much of be understanding that all of us do what we do because there is some kind of "reward" or "earn" in it for us. Not always money or power either, it could be the dopamine ruch of seeing a wrong righted... or a right wronged. Much of my understanding of the guy is derived from watching that documentary, paying close attention to what it said and fitting the jigsaw puzzle pieces together for myself based on how I understand the world works. Pattern recognition if you will.

I can see a motive for establishment figures to cast him off. Research doesnt come cheap and Merck must have spent a fair bit to get the MMR to market. Money they would be out of pocket for, shareholders jumping up and down like Lancelot Link Hour extras... that sort of thing. Cheap solution? Vilify the messenger and anyone that listens to him is "low information" blah. I saw it there and I saw it during the Scamdemic.

Quote from: Dove on January 19, 2026, 01:40:10 PMI support vaccines themselves for a plethora of reasons. I know what can happen without them. I know infants die choking to death and drowning in mucus. I know children die or end up permanently disabled and have brain swelling. The diseases we vaccinate against shouldn't be underestimated and my frustrations with people (or at least other moms) who oppose vaccines is how they belittle the dangers of the diseases.

Neither should the preventatives. I know what can han happen with them.



...and now you do too. Baby Alexander, one month old and in dire need of a blood transfusion. His parents wanted blood untainted by MRNA treatment which the hospital said they could not provide, so the parents sourced it themselves and the hospital.... promptly lost it and substituted MRNA blood anyway. Without the parents knowledge or consent, if I recall correctly.

Dead at one month old.

Now, it doesnt happen to all kids, but it sure as fuck appears to have happened to this one. Somewhere about there is a photo of the enormous amout of white fibrous clots extracted from the cadaver which boggled my mind when I saw it. And this was from an injection someone else had taken, prior to having their blood drawn and packaged before being given to this child. A sudden influx of spike protein producing plasma into the bloodstream of a one month old baby. I don't imagine it was a particularly pleasant exit for the little tyke.

I've been knocking about on this rock now for over half a century. I've heard a lot of tales during that time and out of necessity I've have to adopt a sense of perspective. The global population is at this point upwards of 8 billion, yet we only get to hear a few tragic horror tales such as the one above. Same goes for the genuinely non-vaccinated. Of the others they generally fall into two camps; some get terminally sick, even more do not. And the logician inside my head says that no matter which way you jump, there is going to be a risk involved.

A good friend of mine has a 13 year old daughter who has never received a single injection. That girl is as fit and healthy as any of the girls I knew in high school and a beacon of hope for Purebloods everywhere. The media doesn't want to tell that story.

Quote from: Dove on January 19, 2026, 01:40:10 PMIts a hard discussion to have ..
As a mother who had to make these decisions for my own babies...keeping my own emotions and biases in check. And when we went rounds with this very topic almost 10 years ago, I had just given birth to Squish and I was being pelted with anti vaccine hysterics from other moms who have ZERO education in any medical science.

And I'm sure you did what you thought was right. Regardless, if it transpires you were wrong, it's far too late to reverse it now, there is no do-over. For what it's worth, apart from first aid training I have no formal medical schooling either, though I can have propositions explained to me and weigh them for myself. I can usually catch someone out if they are being deceptive or just plain flat out lying on something. We were being lied to from day dot of this little excursion and I've developed a healthy skepticism towards that crowd since.

And yeah, Wakefield could very well be an asshole for all I know, I just know the tale he presented has the ring of truth to it. I also have a parallel of my own I can draw upon. Several in fact when I consider all the learned people who were memoryholed for daring to question the cult we call "The Science". That's really why I asked you; I wanted to see if you had had your"hang about" moment yet. Because I could swear I was given the truth not in what words were expressed, but in the actions of the people parrotting it.

Quote from: Dove on January 19, 2026, 01:40:10 PMAnd I can be a real obnoxious cunt, so i apologize for that.
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Meh, no need. I wasn't offended; you expressed your position at the time just as you are doing it now. A few choice words doesn't offend.

white chix behaving badly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyxLZ_K31rE

Fuck white chix are idiots.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sdRUqvZkrCs

Quote from: Lokmar on February 04, 2026, 11:55:43 PMBitches need blacked eyes!

Men need to keep their pimp hands ready at all times.

Quote from: Shen Li on February 04, 2026, 11:03:33 PMWhite women don't know when to pick their fights. It doesn't matter because when the shit hits the fan they run to law enforcement who they feign opposing.

Bitches need blacked eyes!

Quote from: Herman on February 04, 2026, 09:40:31 PM

White women don't know when to pick their fights. It doesn't matter because when the shit hits the fan they run to law enforcement who they feign opposing.

Quote from: Shen Li on February 02, 2026, 11:03:37 PMThis under 40 white prog twat genius says ICE carrying out their duties feels like Nazi Germany all over again.

FUCK WHITE WOMEN AND THEIR MARXIST STUPIDITY!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UqEYVCrOfl4

Stupid fucking whore doesnt realize how close her indoctrinated ass is to a fukin nazi! What a dumpy fukin doofus!

This under 40 white prog twat genius says ICE carrying out their duties feels like Nazi Germany all over again.

FUCK WHITE WOMEN AND THEIR MARXIST STUPIDITY!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UqEYVCrOfl4

Quote from: Herman on January 25, 2026, 06:12:41 PMWhat the hell is this?

I wouldnt rape her, but I'd shit on her!

White prog gals are a big influence on leftist Coloured folks.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YILELg_PQ7g

What the hell is this?