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Quote from: "Gaon"The peace process has three false basic assumptions; that Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the main cause of instability in the Middle East, that the conflict is territorial and not ideological, and that the establishment of a Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders will end the conflict.

Quote from: "Bricktop"And so what needs to be done to procure peace in the middle east...excluding the nuclear option?

Quote from: "Odinson"Whats the point in negotiating..





The muslims want something and the israelis say that they arent giving up shit...





End of discussion..

Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "Odinson"Whats the point in negotiating..





The muslims want something and the israelis say that they arent giving up shit...





End of discussion..

I see you've never heard of the Lieberman Plan.

Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "Odinson"Whats the point in negotiating..





The muslims want something and the israelis say that they arent giving up shit...





End of discussion..

I see you've never heard of the Lieberman Plan.

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "Odinson"Whats the point in negotiating..





The muslims want something and the israelis say that they arent giving up shit...





End of discussion..

I see you've never heard of the Lieberman Plan.

Of course he hasn't. He's never been anywhere or done anything with his life. He's a bullshitter just like old Joe. The major difference between the two, is that this little finnish faggot is on every single forum on the internet 24/7/365. The lazy sack of shit is on welfare.

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "Odinson"Whats the point in negotiating..





The muslims want something and the israelis say that they arent giving up shit...





End of discussion..

I see you've never heard of the Lieberman Plan.

Of course he hasn't. He's never been anywhere or done anything with his life. He's a bullshitter just like old Joe. The major difference between the two, is that this little finnish faggot is on every single forum on the internet 24/7/365. The lazy sack of shit is on welfare.

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Quote from: "Bricktop"And so what needs to be done to procure peace in the middle east...excluding the nuclear option?

It won't happen when we eventually trade Israeli Arab lands for settlements in the West bank. That's an answer to a lot of Israel's problems, but it won't help the problems the Middle East exports to the rest of the world.

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Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "Bricktop"And so what needs to be done to procure peace in the middle east...excluding the nuclear option?

It won't happen when we eventually trade Israeli Arab lands for settlements in the West bank. That's an answer to a lot of Israel's problems, but it won't help the problems the Middle East exports to the rest of the world.

Israel is building settlements on Arab land in contravention of UN resolutions.



How does this affect "negotiations"??



And Israel will soon have bigger problems, when Russia arms Syria to the teeth in return for a permanent naval base.

Quotets just that it seems that the muslims dont think israelis have a right to exist in the middle-east..

Quoten 2011, Putin said: "Israel is, in fact, a special state to us. It is practically a Russian-speaking country. Israel is one of the few foreign countries that can be called Russian-speaking. It's apparent that more than half of the population speaks Russian". Putin additionally claimed that Israel could be considered part of the Russian cultural world, and contended that "songs which are considered to be national Israeli songs in Israel are in fact Russian national songs". He further stated that he regarded Russian-speaking Israeli citizens as his compatriots and part of the 'Russian world'.



During Operation Protective Edge in 2014, Putin stated that "I support Israel's battle that is intended to keep its citizens protected".



In August 2014, Russia began increasing fruit imports from Israel, after banning food imports from the EU, Norway, United States, Canada and Australia.



In October 2014, India and Israel started to export meat to Russia.



Relations between Israel and Russia improved after the Russian military intervention in Syria in September 2015. From then until July 2018, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Putin met a total of 9 times.



In October 2015, Israel and Russia held meetings to coordinate over Syria, and avoid accidentally clashing or scrambling each other's communications while operating over the country.



In March 2016, Putin said the relations with Israel were special and based "on friendship, mutual understanding and the long common history". Putin stated: "Russia and Israel have developed a special relationship. 1.5 million Israeli citizens come from the former Soviet Union, they speak the Russian language, are the bearers of Russian culture, Russian mentality. They maintain relations with their relatives and friends in Russia, and this make the interstate relations very special".

Quote from: "Gaon"
The settlements are a bargaining chip when the Lieberman Plan is implemented.

Quote from: "Gaon"Israel has very good relations with Moscow.

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Quote from: "Gaon"
The settlements are a bargaining chip when the Lieberman Plan is implemented.

Of course.



Thousands of Israeli families are going to surrender their homes for the Arabs.



 :001_rolleyes:

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Quote from: "Gaon"Israel has very good relations with Moscow.

So did the Ukraine.

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"Muslims will never be happy sharing their part of the world with anyone other than muslims.

Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"Muslims will never be happy sharing their part of the world with anyone other than muslims.

And how's that working out for them so far???

Quote from: "cc"This getting off the OP but not surprising

Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"Muslims will never be happy sharing their part of the world with anyone other than muslims.

And how's that working out for them so far???

Purity is maintained



Scouse should take notes on how they do it

Quote from: "cc"This getting off the OP but not surprising

Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"Muslims will never be happy sharing their part of the world with anyone other than muslims.

And how's that working out for them so far???

Purity is maintained



Scouse should take notes on how they do it

Quote from: "Bricktop"Interesting.



Yet what claim did the Jews have on ANY of British Palestine?

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Quote from: "Bricktop"Interesting.



Yet what claim did the Jews have on ANY of British Palestine?

The Balfour Declaration of 1917, promising British support for a Jewish "national home" in Palestine.



In fact, before local Jews began calling themselves Israelis in 1948 (when the name "Israel" was chosen for the newly-established Jewish State), the term "Palestine" applied almost exclusively to Jews and the institutions founded by new Jewish immigrants in the first half of the 20th century, before the state's independence.



Some examples include:



The Jerusalem Post, founded in 1932, was called The Palestine Post until 1948.



Bank Leumi L'Israel, incorporated in 1902, was called the "Anglo-Palestine Company" until 1948.



The Jewish Agency – an arm of the Zionist movement engaged in Jewish settlement since 1929 – was initially called the Jewish Agency for Palestine.



Today's Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, founded in 1936 by German Jewish refugees who fled Nazi Germany, was originally called the "Palestine Symphony Orchestra," composed of some 70 Palestinian Jews

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Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "Bricktop"Interesting.



Yet what claim did the Jews have on ANY of British Palestine?

The Balfour Declaration of 1917, promising British support for a Jewish "national home" in Palestine.



In fact, before local Jews began calling themselves Israelis in 1948 (when the name "Israel" was chosen for the newly-established Jewish State), the term "Palestine" applied almost exclusively to Jews and the institutions founded by new Jewish immigrants in the first half of the 20th century, before the state's independence.



Some examples include:



The Jerusalem Post, founded in 1932, was called The Palestine Post until 1948.



Bank Leumi L'Israel, incorporated in 1902, was called the "Anglo-Palestine Company" until 1948.



The Jewish Agency – an arm of the Zionist movement engaged in Jewish settlement since 1929 – was initially called the Jewish Agency for Palestine.



Today's Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, founded in 1936 by German Jewish refugees who fled Nazi Germany, was originally called the "Palestine Symphony Orchestra," composed of some 70 Palestinian Jews

Very interesting indeed Gaon..



You're educating us about your country.

Quote from: "Gaon"The peace process has three false basic assumptions; that Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the main cause of instability in the Middle East, that the conflict is territorial and not ideological, and that the establishment of a Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders will end the conflict.

Quote from: "Herman"Hey Gaon, ignore this discussion derailing attention whore. Besides being a pathological liar, he is sixty and never been laid.

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Quote from: "Herman"Hey Gaon, ignore this discussion derailing attention whore. Besides being a pathological liar, he is sixty and never been laid.

Let's not scare Gaon away Herman..



I enjoy reading his posts about Israel just like I enjoy reading Odi's posts about Finland and Brick's posts about Australia..



You and JOE can have it out in RR.

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Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Herman"Hey Gaon, ignore this discussion derailing attention whore. Besides being a pathological liar, he is sixty and never been laid.

Let's not scare Gaon away Herman..



I enjoy reading his posts about Israel just like I enjoy reading Odi's posts about Finland and Brick's posts about Australia..



You and JOE can have it out in RR.

Well I just say what I think Fashionista.



That I don't want Canadian born citizens feeling entitled that they can take up arms for a foreign nation or entity like iSIS or the Palestinians. The fear being that our country can get sucked into these conflicts and become a target for terrorists like the USA and many countries in Europe have.



In other words remain neutral in these conflicts and discourage Canadians from getting involved in them.



Incidentally I dont take a side for Israel or Palestine because I think there is plenty if blame on both sides

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Quote from: "JOE"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Herman"Hey Gaon, ignore this discussion derailing attention whore. Besides being a pathological liar, he is sixty and never been laid.

Let's not scare Gaon away Herman..



I enjoy reading his posts about Israel just like I enjoy reading Odi's posts about Finland and Brick's posts about Australia..



You and JOE can have it out in RR.

Well I just say what I think Fashionista.



That I don't want Canadian born citizens feeling entitled that they can take up arms for a foreign nation or entity like iSIS or the Palestinians. The fear being that our country can get sucked into these conflicts and become a target for terrorists like the USA and many countries in Europe have.



In other words remain neutral in these conflicts and discourage Canadians from getting involved in them.



Incidentally I dont take a side for Israel or Palestine because I think there is plenty if blame on both sides

I was talking to Herman..



As I said, I really enjoy reading posts about foreign countries that posters live in or have lived in..



And I want posters like Gaon to continue doing that..



Perhaps some people may even want to read about Taiwan.

Quote from: "Herman"Hey Gaon, ignore this discussion derailing attention whore. Besides being a pathological liar, he is sixty and never been laid.

Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "Bricktop"Interesting.



Yet what claim did the Jews have on ANY of British Palestine?

The Balfour Declaration of 1917, promising British support for a Jewish "national home" in Palestine.



In fact, before local Jews began calling themselves Israelis in 1948 (when the name "Israel" was chosen for the newly-established Jewish State), the term "Palestine" applied almost exclusively to Jews and the institutions founded by new Jewish immigrants in the first half of the 20th century, before the state's independence.



Some examples include:



The Jerusalem Post, founded in 1932, was called The Palestine Post until 1948.



Bank Leumi L'Israel, incorporated in 1902, was called the "Anglo-Palestine Company" until 1948.



The Jewish Agency – an arm of the Zionist movement engaged in Jewish settlement since 1929 – was initially called the Jewish Agency for Palestine.



Today's Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, founded in 1936 by German Jewish refugees who fled Nazi Germany, was originally called the "Palestine Symphony Orchestra," composed of some 70 Palestinian Jews

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Quote from: "Herman"Hey Gaon, ignore this discussion derailing attention whore. Besides being a pathological liar, he is sixty and never been laid.

He does not read posts and his posts are not about the thread discussion. I had enough and he is ignored.

Quote from: "Gaon"it must be admitted that in creating the artificial states of Iraq, Syria and to some extent, Jordan,

Quote from: "JOE"

Quote from: "seoulbro"

Quote from: "Herman"Hey Gaon, ignore this discussion derailing attention whore. Besides being a pathological liar, he is sixty and never been laid.

He does not read posts and his posts are not about the thread discussion. I had enough and he is ignored.

For someone who describes himself as a 'progressive ', you're sure not very open minded seoulbro.



Your 'koreanness' often shines through as you can be very stubborn and set in your ways, Seoul.



I gets the impression after reading your posts that besides being very Conservative, Korean men are  stubborn, quick to anger & hardheaded. I once dated a Korean girl & she said her Dad and family were very conservative and set in their ways. So I guess yer a product of that culture eh

Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "Gaon"it must be admitted that in creating the artificial states of Iraq, Syria and to some extent, Jordan,

Israel is equally artificial.



That said, so are many nations. Israel is no different to America, Australia, Canada, and other nations transplanted by colonialism.



The entire middle east is a trainwreck, ruined by greedy colonial powers that based their foreign relations on white superiority.



There will be no peace, because there will be no peace between arab and muslim States.



The only thing that will settle things is World War 3.

Quote from: "Bricktop"There was never an intent by the colonial powers to create a Jewish state.



Jews saw the opportunity and exploited it. The fact that a handful of Jews had lived there for centuries did not justify the creation of a State on that basis alone.



Jews seized the moment, and enacted a strategic plan to build Zion, on the presumption that the indigenous people, like the Australian and Canadian aborigines, the indigenous American natives, the African natives, Irish catholics and other colonised people would be easily quelled.



Israel is colonised territory, just as we are. The difference is that you built your colony in the belly of the beast. Our tribulations with the original occupants are minor by comparison to Israel's.



The point is that Israel had no more right to existence than Australia, Canada, the US and our counterparts all over the world. Our forebears simply took land that in their view was not being utilised by the inhabitants.

Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "Bricktop"There was never an intent by the colonial powers to create a Jewish state.



Jews saw the opportunity and exploited it. The fact that a handful of Jews had lived there for centuries did not justify the creation of a State on that basis alone.



Jews seized the moment, and enacted a strategic plan to build Zion, on the presumption that the indigenous people, like the Australian and Canadian aborigines, the indigenous American natives, the African natives, Irish catholics and other colonised people would be easily quelled.



Israel is colonised territory, just as we are. The difference is that you built your colony in the belly of the beast. Our tribulations with the original occupants are minor by comparison to Israel's.



The point is that Israel had no more right to existence than Australia, Canada, the US and our counterparts all over the world. Our forebears simply took land that in their view was not being utilised by the inhabitants.

The Balfour Declaration was an endorsement by the British government of a Jewish protectorate. An endorsement they abandoned upon taking control of the land. They then began doing everything they could to prevent the establishment of a Jewish State.



And Jews are the original Palestinians.

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"

Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "Bricktop"There was never an intent by the colonial powers to create a Jewish state.



Jews saw the opportunity and exploited it. The fact that a handful of Jews had lived there for centuries did not justify the creation of a State on that basis alone.



Jews seized the moment, and enacted a strategic plan to build Zion, on the presumption that the indigenous people, like the Australian and Canadian aborigines, the indigenous American natives, the African natives, Irish catholics and other colonised people would be easily quelled.



Israel is colonised territory, just as we are. The difference is that you built your colony in the belly of the beast. Our tribulations with the original occupants are minor by comparison to Israel's.



The point is that Israel had no more right to existence than Australia, Canada, the US and our counterparts all over the world. Our forebears simply took land that in their view was not being utilised by the inhabitants.

The Balfour Declaration was an endorsement by the British government of a Jewish protectorate. An endorsement they abandoned upon taking control of the land. They then began doing everything they could to prevent the establishment of a Jewish State.



And Jews are the original Palestinians.

I blame mohammad for the muddle east shunning modernity.

Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"

Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "Bricktop"There was never an intent by the colonial powers to create a Jewish state.



Jews saw the opportunity and exploited it. The fact that a handful of Jews had lived there for centuries did not justify the creation of a State on that basis alone.



Jews seized the moment, and enacted a strategic plan to build Zion, on the presumption that the indigenous people, like the Australian and Canadian aborigines, the indigenous American natives, the African natives, Irish catholics and other colonised people would be easily quelled.



Israel is colonised territory, just as we are. The difference is that you built your colony in the belly of the beast. Our tribulations with the original occupants are minor by comparison to Israel's.



The point is that Israel had no more right to existence than Australia, Canada, the US and our counterparts all over the world. Our forebears simply took land that in their view was not being utilised by the inhabitants.

The Balfour Declaration was an endorsement by the British government of a Jewish protectorate. An endorsement they abandoned upon taking control of the land. They then began doing everything they could to prevent the establishment of a Jewish State.



And Jews are the original Palestinians.

I blame mohammad for the muddle east shunning modernity.

That's part of it. But, the reason that Islam became a powerful force is because of French and British stupidity.

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"

Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "Bricktop"There was never an intent by the colonial powers to create a Jewish state.



Jews saw the opportunity and exploited it. The fact that a handful of Jews had lived there for centuries did not justify the creation of a State on that basis alone.



Jews seized the moment, and enacted a strategic plan to build Zion, on the presumption that the indigenous people, like the Australian and Canadian aborigines, the indigenous American natives, the African natives, Irish catholics and other colonised people would be easily quelled.



Israel is colonised territory, just as we are. The difference is that you built your colony in the belly of the beast. Our tribulations with the original occupants are minor by comparison to Israel's.



The point is that Israel had no more right to existence than Australia, Canada, the US and our counterparts all over the world. Our forebears simply took land that in their view was not being utilised by the inhabitants.

The Balfour Declaration was an endorsement by the British government of a Jewish protectorate. An endorsement they abandoned upon taking control of the land. They then began doing everything they could to prevent the establishment of a Jewish State.



And Jews are the original Palestinians.

I blame mohammad for the muddle east shunning modernity.

That's part of it. But, the reason that Islam became a powerful force is because of French and British stupidity.

Does Turkey bear any responsibility Gaon?

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"

Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "Bricktop"There was never an intent by the colonial powers to create a Jewish state.



Jews saw the opportunity and exploited it. The fact that a handful of Jews had lived there for centuries did not justify the creation of a State on that basis alone.



Jews seized the moment, and enacted a strategic plan to build Zion, on the presumption that the indigenous people, like the Australian and Canadian aborigines, the indigenous American natives, the African natives, Irish catholics and other colonised people would be easily quelled.



Israel is colonised territory, just as we are. The difference is that you built your colony in the belly of the beast. Our tribulations with the original occupants are minor by comparison to Israel's.



The point is that Israel had no more right to existence than Australia, Canada, the US and our counterparts all over the world. Our forebears simply took land that in their view was not being utilised by the inhabitants.

The Balfour Declaration was an endorsement by the British government of a Jewish protectorate. An endorsement they abandoned upon taking control of the land. They then began doing everything they could to prevent the establishment of a Jewish State.



And Jews are the original Palestinians.

I blame mohammad for the muddle east shunning modernity.

That's part of it. But, the reason that Islam became a powerful force is because of French and British stupidity.

Does Turkey bear any responsibility Gaon?

Quote from: "Bricktop"Well, we won't be moving house any time soon.



There will never be a two State solution. Arabs are incapable of managing even a single State.

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "Bricktop"Well, we won't be moving house any time soon.



There will never be a two State solution. Arabs are incapable of managing even a single State.

They don't even want their own country. Israel would stop paying for all their critical infrastructure. Their rich Gulf state allies won't pick up the tab either.

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "Bricktop"Well, we won't be moving house any time soon.



There will never be a two State solution. Arabs are incapable of managing even a single State.

They don't even want their own country. Israel would stop paying for all their critical infrastructure. Their rich Gulf state allies won't pick up the tab either.

I wonder if a new Palestinian state would receive any aid from the oil rich Gulf states.

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