Title: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 12:01:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 12:01:04 PM
The Oshawa plant, where GM Canada has its headquarters, produces the Chevrolet Impala and the Cadillac XTS cars, the majority of which are shipped south of the border, along with the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickup trucks.
The complex is one of three GM manufacturing facilities in Ontario, along with St. Catharines and Ingersoll.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 12:29:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 12:29:04 PM
Along with two other complexes in Detroit and Warren, Ohio. Nearly twenty six hundred good jobs with full benefits lost. This is devastating to Oshawa's economy.Quote from: "seoulbro"Oshawa assembly plant
The Oshawa plant, where GM Canada has its headquarters, produces the Chevrolet Impala and the Cadillac XTS cars, the majority of which are shipped south of the border, along with the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickup trucks.
The complex is one of three GM manufacturing facilities in Ontario, along with St. Catharines and Ingersoll.https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/general-motors-closure-oshawa-assembly-plant-1.4920438
I feel terrible for the people of Oshawa Ontario..
We can empathize in Alberta, because of Rachel Notley and Justin Trudeau thousands of good jobs have left Alberta for the USA.....perhaps my husband's job too.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: JOE on November 26, 2018, 01:18:09 PM
Post by: JOE on November 26, 2018, 01:18:09 PM
Along with two other complexes in Detroit and Warren, Ohio. Nearly twenty six hundred good jobs with full benefits lost. This is devastating to Oshawa's economy.Quote from: "seoulbro"Oshawa assembly plant
The Oshawa plant, where GM Canada has its headquarters, produces the Chevrolet Impala and the Cadillac XTS cars, the majority of which are shipped south of the border, along with the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickup trucks.
The complex is one of three GM manufacturing facilities in Ontario, along with St. Catharines and Ingersoll.https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/general-motors-closure-oshawa-assembly-plant-1.4920438
Wha? After a change of government?!
What happened seoulbro?
I thought Ford would be Ontario's savior, eh.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 01:21:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 01:21:18 PM
Along with two other complexes in Detroit and Warren, Ohio. Nearly twenty six hundred good jobs with full benefits lost. This is devastating to Oshawa's economy.Quote from: "seoulbro"Oshawa assembly plant
The Oshawa plant, where GM Canada has its headquarters, produces the Chevrolet Impala and the Cadillac XTS cars, the majority of which are shipped south of the border, along with the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickup trucks.
The complex is one of three GM manufacturing facilities in Ontario, along with St. Catharines and Ingersoll.https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/general-motors-closure-oshawa-assembly-plant-1.4920438
Wha? After a change of government?!
What happened seoulbro?
I thought Ford would be Ontario's savior, eh.
He scrapped the carbon tax and made electricity more affordable, so Ford did his part..
In the end, robotics are taking over a lot of manufacturing.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: JOE on November 26, 2018, 01:29:01 PM
Post by: JOE on November 26, 2018, 01:29:01 PM
Along with two other complexes in Detroit and Warren, Ohio. Nearly twenty six hundred good jobs with full benefits lost. This is devastating to Oshawa's economy.Quote from: "seoulbro"Oshawa assembly plant
The Oshawa plant, where GM Canada has its headquarters, produces the Chevrolet Impala and the Cadillac XTS cars, the majority of which are shipped south of the border, along with the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickup trucks.
The complex is one of three GM manufacturing facilities in Ontario, along with St. Catharines and Ingersoll.https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/general-motors-closure-oshawa-assembly-plant-1.4920438
Wha? After a change of government?!
What happened seoulbro?
I thought Ford would be Ontario's savior, eh.
He scrapped the carbon tax and made electricity more affordable, so Ford did his part..
In the end, robotics are taking over a lot of manufacturing.
:sad:
Will there be any jobs left for our children?
I think I'll be fine, but I worry about tge next generation
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 01:33:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 01:33:21 PM
Along with two other complexes in Detroit and Warren, Ohio. Nearly twenty six hundred good jobs with full benefits lost. This is devastating to Oshawa's economy.Quote from: "seoulbro"Oshawa assembly plant
The Oshawa plant, where GM Canada has its headquarters, produces the Chevrolet Impala and the Cadillac XTS cars, the majority of which are shipped south of the border, along with the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickup trucks.
The complex is one of three GM manufacturing facilities in Ontario, along with St. Catharines and Ingersoll.https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/general-motors-closure-oshawa-assembly-plant-1.4920438
Wha? After a change of government?!
What happened seoulbro?
I thought Ford would be Ontario's savior, eh.
He scrapped the carbon tax and made electricity more affordable, so Ford did his part..
In the end, robotics are taking over a lot of manufacturing.
:sad:
Precisely. How many jobs have been saved because of Ford reversing the job killing policies of the previous government.
Meanwhile Toyota is investing $1.4 billion in Ontario plants.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 04:03:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 04:03:43 PM
Along with two other complexes in Detroit and Warren, Ohio. Nearly twenty six hundred good jobs with full benefits lost. This is devastating to Oshawa's economy.Quote from: "seoulbro"Oshawa assembly plant
The Oshawa plant, where GM Canada has its headquarters, produces the Chevrolet Impala and the Cadillac XTS cars, the majority of which are shipped south of the border, along with the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickup trucks.
The complex is one of three GM manufacturing facilities in Ontario, along with St. Catharines and Ingersoll.https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/general-motors-closure-oshawa-assembly-plant-1.4920438
They are shuttering 4 plants in the USA. I don't why GM can't make it work while other car companies are adding jobs.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2018, 05:31:24 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2018, 05:31:24 PM
I believe some Ford dealers have done likewise.
The lesson here is do NOT build a manufacturing sector around foreign companies. They will move manufacturing where they can get the cheapest labour, and that will NEVER be in western countries.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 05:35:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 05:35:31 PM
Because if Australia is anything to go by, GM cannot give their pieces of crap away. Since GM shut down manufacturing here, nearly 20% of their dealers have either switched brands, or just closed their doors.Quote from: "Bricktop"
I believe some Ford dealers have done likewise.
The lesson here is do NOT build a manufacturing sector around foreign companies. They will move manufacturing where they can get the cheapest labour, and that will NEVER be in western countries.
Not true. Toyota and Honda have been expanding manufacturing in Canada.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2018, 05:37:37 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2018, 05:37:37 PM
When the Korean cars start squeezing them out of market share, what do you think they will do? Close Japanese plants?
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 06:03:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 06:03:46 PM
Because the dollars add up to build in Canada and supply the US market.Quote from: "Bricktop"
When the Korean cars start squeezing them out of market share, what do you think they will do? Close Japanese plants?
Actually, Hyundai is expanding it's manufacturing in the USA. It's cheaper for Korean and Japanese auto manufacturers to build plants in North America than export from Asia. The tariffs would make their cars cost prohibitive.
Hyundai plans $3.1B investment in U.S. plants
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2018, 06:21:03 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2018, 06:21:03 PM
However, I suspect the really vulnerable manufacturers are Ford, GM and Chrysler. Their cars are generally well below the standard of even the South Koreans now.
If it wasn't for their "truck" line, Ford in Australia would be in serious trouble. GM sales are in free fall, and they don't seem to be able to arrest it. None of their Asian made vehicles are worth the money, so they're trying some US built "trucks" here. It won't help them. European car sales are skyrocketing, and market leaders are either Japanese or Korean.
GM (branded as "Holden" here) will be gone in less then 20 years if they cannot find something to sell for our market.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 06:37:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 06:37:18 PM
So, if they build MORE cars, someone is going to sell LESS cars.Quote from: "Bricktop"
However, I suspect the really vulnerable manufacturers are Ford, GM and Chrysler. Their cars are generally well below the standard of even the South Koreans now.
If it wasn't for their "truck" line, Ford in Australia would be in serious trouble. GM sales are in free fall, and they don't seem to be able to arrest it. None of their Asian made vehicles are worth the money, so they're trying some US built "trucks" here. It won't help them. European car sales are skyrocketing, and market leaders are either Japanese or Korean.
GM (branded as "Holden" here) will be gone in less then 20 years if they cannot find something to sell for our market.
I read Ford is doing okay here, but maybe it's only trucks, I don't know.
Chrysler has had different partners and they can't seem to make it work..
They are partnered with Fiat now.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2018, 06:43:48 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2018, 06:43:48 PM
Those brands are regarded as one of the worst for build quality, reliability, support and customer service. Their sales here are dropping dramatically after a couple of years of solid growth. Most people who bought them would never buy another.
Also the parent, brand, Fiat, is regarded as high risk, as well as one of their flagship marques, Alfa Romeo. But Alfa's were always poorly built and unreliable. Their myth exceeds reality by some margin.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 07:07:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 07:07:32 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2018, 07:23:47 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2018, 07:23:47 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 08:06:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 08:06:20 PM
So, one factory opens...another closes. American automobiles are in dire straits indeed.Quote from: "Bricktop"
I drive a 2013 Nissan Altima that I'm very happy with..
Here are the best selling vehicles of 2018..
There isn't one North American car on that list.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2018, 08:18:47 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 26, 2018, 08:18:47 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Gaon on November 26, 2018, 08:20:25 PM
Post by: Gaon on November 26, 2018, 08:20:25 PM
They sure do love them trucks...Quote from: "Bricktop"
I own a fourteen year old F-150. It's reliable.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 10:51:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 10:51:28 PM
Along with two other complexes in Detroit and Warren, Ohio. Nearly twenty six hundred good jobs with full benefits lost. This is devastating to Oshawa's economy.Quote from: "seoulbro"Oshawa assembly plant
The Oshawa plant, where GM Canada has its headquarters, produces the Chevrolet Impala and the Cadillac XTS cars, the majority of which are shipped south of the border, along with the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickup trucks.
The complex is one of three GM manufacturing facilities in Ontario, along with St. Catharines and Ingersoll.https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/general-motors-closure-oshawa-assembly-plant-1.4920438
No more Impalas.That surprises me. Buick Regal not so much.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: JOE on November 26, 2018, 11:01:31 PM
Post by: JOE on November 26, 2018, 11:01:31 PM
Its a real prince of a vehicle only to be driven by experienced princely drivers, eh.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 11:06:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 11:06:34 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: JOE on November 26, 2018, 11:09:50 PM
Post by: JOE on November 26, 2018, 11:09:50 PM
Ya, sure you did you lying old wanker. You received calls in it on your non existent older Samsung 2016.Quote from: "Herman"
Lol!
.....Hoimin!
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 11:13:15 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2018, 11:13:15 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Skippy on November 27, 2018, 04:52:00 AM
Post by: Skippy on November 27, 2018, 04:52:00 AM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Skippy on November 27, 2018, 04:56:20 AM
Post by: Skippy on November 27, 2018, 04:56:20 AM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2018, 10:50:12 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2018, 10:50:12 AM
GM are concentrating on trucks andQuote from: "Skippy"self driving cars from now on
I don't know about that Skippy..
A woman was killed by a self driving car..
The auto maker is liable for death and injury in driverless cars.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2018, 10:50:50 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2018, 10:50:50 AM
Why doesn't trudeau bail out the oshawa plants like Obama did with Ford in 2008Quote from: "Skippy"
Didn't GM receive a bailout in 2008?
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Skippy on November 27, 2018, 11:07:10 AM
Post by: Skippy on November 27, 2018, 11:07:10 AM
Why doesn't trudeau bail out the oshawa plants like Obama did with Ford in 2008Quote from: "Skippy"
Didn't GM receive a bailout in 2008?
Yes they did, they are still the 2nd most popular brand in the UK Ford is first
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2018, 11:09:57 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2018, 11:09:57 AM
Why doesn't trudeau bail out the oshawa plants like Obama did with Ford in 2008Quote from: "Skippy"
Didn't GM receive a bailout in 2008?
Yes they did, they are still the 2nd most popular brand in the UK Ford is first
What are their popular brands in the UK?
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Skippy on November 27, 2018, 11:19:42 AM
Post by: Skippy on November 27, 2018, 11:19:42 AM
Why doesn't trudeau bail out the oshawa plants like Obama did with Ford in 2008Quote from: "Skippy"
Didn't GM receive a bailout in 2008?
Yes they did, they are still the 2nd most popular brand in the UK Ford is first
What are their popular brands in the UK?
The Ford fiesta and the vauxhallGM corsa both very small cars
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2018, 11:22:42 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2018, 11:22:42 AM
Why doesn't trudeau bail out the oshawa plants like Obama did with Ford in 2008Quote from: "Skippy"
Didn't GM receive a bailout in 2008?
Yes they did, they are still the 2nd most popular brand in the UK Ford is first
What are their popular brands in the UK?
The Ford fiesta and the vauxhallGM corsa both very small cars
They still make Vauxhalls?
I haven't been in Britain in a long time, but they were common when I was there.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Skippy on November 27, 2018, 11:35:11 AM
Post by: Skippy on November 27, 2018, 11:35:11 AM
Why doesn't trudeau bail out the oshawa plants like Obama did with Ford in 2008Quote from: "Skippy"
Didn't GM receive a bailout in 2008?
Yes they did, they are still the 2nd most popular brand in the UK Ford is first
What are their popular brands in the UK?
The Ford fiesta and the vauxhallGM corsa both very small cars
They still make Vauxhalls?
I haven't been in Britain in a long time, but they were common when I was there.
Yes they do and they are rebadged opels and chevrolets and holdens
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2018, 11:42:57 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2018, 11:42:57 AM
Why doesn't trudeau bail out the oshawa plants like Obama did with Ford in 2008Quote from: "Skippy"
Didn't GM receive a bailout in 2008?
Yes they did, they are still the 2nd most popular brand in the UK Ford is first
What are their popular brands in the UK?
The Ford fiesta and the vauxhallGM corsa both very small cars
They still make Vauxhalls?
I haven't been in Britain in a long time, but they were common when I was there.
Yes they do and they are rebadgedopelsand chevrolets and holdens
I remember them too.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Gaon on November 27, 2018, 12:02:16 PM
Post by: Gaon on November 27, 2018, 12:02:16 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: JOE on November 27, 2018, 03:52:08 PM
Post by: JOE on November 27, 2018, 03:52:08 PM
Ya, sure you did you lying old wanker. You received calls in it on your non existent older Samsung 2016.Quote from: "Herman"
Article says slowing demand for smaller vehicles & an increase in demand for SUV's and Trucks-led to theOshawa plant closure:
1 will be shuttered in Canada & 4 in the States.
But even Trump expresed his outrage at the closings and demanded that GM do a lot more to keep jobs at home in America:
So its even more of an American problem than a Canadian one.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: JOE on November 27, 2018, 04:48:08 PM
Post by: JOE on November 27, 2018, 04:48:08 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on November 27, 2018, 05:00:49 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 27, 2018, 05:00:49 PM
Why doesn't trudeau bail out the oshawa plants like Obama did with Ford in 2008Quote from: "Skippy"
Australia bailed out GM, based on a commitment that they would continue supporting Australian manufacturing.
They closed anyway...killing the brand here as well. There was a time when GM's "Holden" brand dominated car sales in Australia.
Not any more.
Mazda, Toyota and Hyundai are killing them.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 27, 2018, 11:36:01 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 27, 2018, 11:36:01 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on November 27, 2018, 11:44:20 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 27, 2018, 11:44:20 PM
Good for you.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2018, 11:59:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2018, 11:59:59 PM
I say drive only American cars in USA and Canada. Down with European and Japanese cars in North America. (I say this now but I drove European and Asian cars myself years ago but now I prefer American cars. My very first car was a Chevy.)Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
If one were to look at this problem with a positive outlook, these workers have a year to plan ahead. Some of us were not so fortunate. Before I finally found my happy place in the office of a Trump-appointed official, managing his office, my job at the time was impacted by a government closure of several years ago. I did not have a year to plan ahead. That was most unfortunate. If you have a year to plan ahead, you should find something within that year; if you pound the pavement until you find something. Whining about the problem does not solve anything. Unfortunately, this is how it goes sometimes. Shit happens.
Which American cars do you prefer?
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2018, 11:23:15 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2018, 11:23:15 AM
Trump has threatened to cut GM's electric car subsidies in response to the plant closures:Quote from: "JOE"https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/trump-gm-electric-cars-1.4922802
It's a good response, but it won't save the GM vehicles that they will no longer make.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 28, 2018, 12:00:35 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 28, 2018, 12:00:35 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 28, 2018, 12:01:29 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 28, 2018, 12:01:29 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Gaon on November 28, 2018, 12:01:57 PM
Post by: Gaon on November 28, 2018, 12:01:57 PM
What do I prefer? Hello.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://portiaplante.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2020-GMC-Yukon-XL-Denali-Spied-Testing-1024x549.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://portiaplante.com/wp-content/upl%20...%2024x549.jpg%22%3Ehttps://portiaplante.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2020-GMC-Yukon-XL-Denali-Spied-Testing-1024x549.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
Good taste.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 28, 2018, 12:03:05 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 28, 2018, 12:03:05 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2018, 12:11:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2018, 12:11:10 PM
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Do you own one Azhya?
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on November 28, 2018, 05:49:47 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 28, 2018, 05:49:47 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2018, 06:33:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2018, 06:33:36 PM
Ugh, what a homely and grotesque brute.Quote from: "Bricktop"
They are big, but they are sharp.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 28, 2018, 06:33:48 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 28, 2018, 06:33:48 PM
Do you own one Azhya?
Of course!
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2018, 06:35:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2018, 06:35:36 PM
Do you own one Azhya?
Of course!:thumbup: :thumbup1:
I know you have a big driveway.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on November 28, 2018, 06:39:36 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 28, 2018, 06:39:36 PM
Ugh, what a homely and grotesque brute.Quote from: "Bricktop"
They are big, but they are sharp.
Eye of the beholder, I guess.
Just looks like a truck to me.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 28, 2018, 07:19:28 PM
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 28, 2018, 07:19:28 PM
The old trade agreements essentially stated that for every US car sold here, one had to be built here. It was just that simple.
Those trade agreements have long been torn up in the race towards globalism (meaning get yer shit made cheap in China).
So, people want cheap shit, and the outcome of this is no more Canadian (or US, for that matter) manufacturing. Plants are closing all the time, every day.
It's what the people wanted.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2018, 08:45:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2018, 08:45:42 PM
One must understand why cars were built in Canada in the first place...Quote from: "Chuck Bronson"
The old trade agreements essentially stated that for every US car sold here, one had to be built here. It was jusr that simple.
Those trade agreements have long been torn up in the race towards globalism (meaning get yer shit made cheap in China).
So, people want cheap shit, and the outcome of this is no more Canadian (or US, for that matter) manufacturing. Plants are closing all the time, every day.
It's what the people wanted.
There is no Canada and USA under the old autopact. It's a unified market.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 28, 2018, 11:22:03 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 28, 2018, 11:22:03 PM
I know you have a big driveway.
Yes, though I always like Uncle Don's driveway.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on November 28, 2018, 11:48:15 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 28, 2018, 11:48:15 PM
Anyone who buys GM is propping up a deceitful, immoral and doomed brand.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2018, 11:53:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2018, 11:53:17 PM
I know you have a big driveway.
Yes, though I always like Uncle Don's driveway.(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://edc.h-cdn.co/assets/16/45/320x320/square-1478626107-white-house-driveway.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://edc.h-cdn.co/assets/16/45/320x32%20...%20iveway.jpg%22%3Ehttp://edc.h-cdn.co/assets/16/45/320x320/square-1478626107-white-house-driveway.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
Uncle Don has a nice crib.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 29, 2018, 01:09:11 AM
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 29, 2018, 01:09:11 AM
There is no Canada and USA under the old autopact. It's a unified market.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Not quite, but it was really simple... Every one that sold here meant one had to be built here, so there were clear definitions of borders, but it worked.
Canada is probably somewhere close to 10% of the North American market, and to reach that market simply meant that a few plants had to be built here to avoid tariffs and duties.
It worked quite well for both for many decades. Canadian plants have long been known for great quality control also, so it wasn't like GM or Ford was at any real loss with a system like this.
However, all these 'free trade' agreements of more recent were never designed for the US to 'recapture' their manufacturing... They are simply designed to eventually shift all production to Mexico, or another cheaper place to build.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 02:28:14 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 02:28:14 AM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on November 29, 2018, 04:52:28 AM
Post by: Bricktop on November 29, 2018, 04:52:28 AM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 11:12:20 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 11:12:20 AM
GM cars don't sell because they're not good cars. Simple.Quote from: "Bricktop"
North American car makers don't seem to care..
They'd rather focus on suv's and trucks.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 29, 2018, 11:30:45 AM
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 29, 2018, 11:30:45 AM
North American car makers don't seem to care..
They'd rather focus on suv's and trucks.
That is what seems to sell in North America though, and it's why Ford is soon ceasing North American sales of pretty much their entire car lineup, except for the Mustang.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 11:32:47 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 11:32:47 AM
North American car makers don't seem to care..
They'd rather focus on suv's and trucks.
That is what seems to sell in North America though, and it's why Ford is soon ceasing North American sales of pretty much their entire car lineup, except for the Mustang.
No more Fusions, Fiestas, and Focus?
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: JOE on November 29, 2018, 11:34:50 AM
Post by: JOE on November 29, 2018, 11:34:50 AM
One of these the Lincoln XTS was produced out of their Oshawa plant.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 11:46:15 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 11:46:15 AM
GM will stop making these models:Quote from: "JOE"https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/26/business/gm-cars-dropping-production/index.html
One of these the Lincoln XTS was produced out of their Oshawa plant.
Oshawa made the Cadillac XTS and Impalas which will both cease.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 29, 2018, 12:05:41 PM
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 29, 2018, 12:05:41 PM
No more Fusions, Fiestas, and Focus?
:ohmy:
Yup! All coming to an end for the N.A. market. Only Mustang will be continued.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 12:07:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 12:07:19 PM
No more Fusions, Fiestas, and Focus?
:ohmy:
Yup! All coming to an end for the N.A. market. Only Mustang will be continued.
I see so many, I thought they were selling very well.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 29, 2018, 12:11:30 PM
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 29, 2018, 12:11:30 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 12:35:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 12:35:59 PM
They are only a small percentage of sales compared to trucks and SUV's, which is why Ford is dropping them. Simply makes good business sense to focus on what they sell most of here...Quote from: "Chuck Bronson"
They are allowing Asian and European auto makers to have the car market.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 29, 2018, 01:21:34 PM
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 29, 2018, 01:21:34 PM
They are allowing Asian and European auto makers to have the car market.
The big three have allowed this for decades by building sub-par automobiles!
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: JOE on November 29, 2018, 02:18:38 PM
Post by: JOE on November 29, 2018, 02:18:38 PM
They are allowing Asian and European auto makers to have the car market.
The big three have allowed this for decades by building sub-par automobiles!
The Americans were generally never very good at making small or mid sized cars..
Yet they excel at making larger cars, suv, muscle cars and trucks.
Other than the escalade, didnt think the other suvs gm made were all that great.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 29, 2018, 02:52:21 PM
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 29, 2018, 02:52:21 PM
The Americans were generally never very good at making small or mid sized cars..Quote from: "JOE"
And that's exactly why The Fuhrer's Auto sold as well as it did here!
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 03:14:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 03:14:14 PM
They are only a small percentage of sales compared to trucks and SUV's, which is why Ford is dropping them. Simply makes good business sense to focus on what they sell most of here...Quote from: "Chuck Bronson"
They are allowing Asian and European auto makers to have the car market.
The big three seem happy to be smaller companiesthat specialize in one product line.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on November 29, 2018, 04:54:15 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 29, 2018, 04:54:15 PM
They are only a small percentage of sales compared to trucks and SUV's, which is why Ford is dropping them. Simply makes good business sense to focus on what they sell most of here...Quote from: "Chuck Bronson"
There is a well established principle in business.
You well never reduce your enterprise into higher profit. Shrinking your product line is the first step to oblivion.
Sooner, rather than later, the market will turn away from large "truck" like vehicles.
I remember in the 70's, station wagons were all they rage.
They don't make them any more.
All American auto manufacturers will be in a precarious position because they fail in the one area that will maintain demand; good, inexpensive but efficient and reliable sedans.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 05:09:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 05:09:19 PM
They are only a small percentage of sales compared to trucks and SUV's, which is why Ford is dropping them. Simply makes good business sense to focus on what they sell most of here...Quote from: "Chuck Bronson"
There is a well established principle in business.
You well never reduce your enterprise into higher profit. Shrinking your product line is the first step to oblivion.
Sooner, rather than later, the market will turn away from large "truck" like vehicles.
I remember in the 70's, station wagons were all they rage.
They don't make them any more.
All American auto manufacturers will be in a precarious position because they fail in the one area that will maintain demand; good, inexpensive but efficient and reliable sedans.
You are right. They assume the truck market will last 4ever.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 29, 2018, 05:16:27 PM
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 29, 2018, 05:16:27 PM
I remember in the 70's, station wagons were all they rage.
They don't make them any more.
Oh, but they do. We just call them SUV's now, and they sell quite well.
Ford knows what they're doing. They've been at this game for a long time, and were the only one that didn't need their asses bailed out.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Berry Sweet on November 29, 2018, 06:33:41 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on November 29, 2018, 06:33:41 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 09:52:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 09:52:46 PM
Canadians...complaining about the cost of gas, insurance rates, etc...but they want that large vehicle they cant afford. We have dumb government and even dumber citizens.Quote from: "Berry Sweet"
That's the way most of us are.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 29, 2018, 09:55:34 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 29, 2018, 09:55:34 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 09:57:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 09:57:07 PM
Talk about quality? I have never had more problems with an American car than with a European or Asian car. To me, not one is better than the other. They are all pretty much the same. I just prefer American cars, period. Thank you. Come again.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
No problem with that.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on November 29, 2018, 10:14:02 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 29, 2018, 10:14:02 PM
Talk about quality? I have never had more problems with an American car than with a European or Asian car. To me, not one is better than the other. They are all pretty much the same. I just prefer American cars, period. Thank you. Come again.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
You prefer American because there is no-one more patriotic or loyal than a convert.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 11:53:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2018, 11:53:05 PM
Talk about quality? I have never had more problems with an American car than with a European or Asian car. To me, not one is better than the other. They are all pretty much the same. I just prefer American cars, period. Thank you. Come again.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
You prefer American because there is no-one more patriotic or loyal than a convert.
If she prefers American, so be it.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2018, 11:45:10 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2018, 11:45:10 AM
Talk about quality? I have never had more problems with an American car than with a European or Asian car. To me,Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"not one is better than the other. They are all pretty much the same. I just prefer American cars, period. Thank you. Come again.
If you buy a brand new car, most warranties are similar..
And If you keep up regular oil changes won't most have the same durability?
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 30, 2018, 01:35:03 PM
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 30, 2018, 01:35:03 PM
And If you keep up regular oil changes won't most have the same durability?
No. Many factors are involved when it comes to reliability... From design, to assembly quality control, to the parts they actually source. Remember, the engine itself is generally the last thing to fail... It's everything else that goes!
Japanese have a reputation for quality control, but remember that Jap cars used to be huge pieces of shit also.
That said, all have had their faults, and I'm talking about more recently like in the last two decades or so.
Remember also that your Jap car is most likely now assembled in the US, and your Ford could very well come from Mexico.
Perhaps the best measure of 'quality' is how a brand treats the customer after purchase, should a problem arise.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2018, 02:12:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2018, 02:12:57 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 30, 2018, 02:54:33 PM
Post by: Chuck Bronson on November 30, 2018, 02:54:33 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2018, 04:26:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2018, 04:26:30 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2018, 05:27:45 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2018, 05:27:45 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2018, 05:32:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2018, 05:32:36 PM
I've been lucky in that I've never owned one that was bad. Some were better than others. Our Landrover is the best I've owned, with a Ford Cortina probably the "worst"...but it never let me down.Quote from: "Bricktop"
I don't know much about the Cortina. It.was built for the British market.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2018, 05:35:26 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2018, 05:35:26 PM
Sold in their millions. Hugely popular. Sold a lot in Australia too. But they simply were not up to the level of the Japanese cars and were discontinued in the 70's.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2018, 06:52:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2018, 06:52:27 PM
Yes.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Sold in their millions. Hugely popular. Sold a lot in Australia too. But they simply were not up to the level of the Japanese cars and were discontinued in the 70's.(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.historics.co.uk%2Fmedia%2F1055659%2F1968_ford_cortina_1600_super_1.jpg%3Fanchor%3Dcenter%26mode%3Dcrop%26width%3D1000&f=1%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%20...%203D1000&f=1%22%3Ehttps://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.historics.co.uk%2Fmedia%2F1055659%2F1968_ford_cortina_1600_super_1.jpg%3Fanchor%3Dcenter%26mode%3Dcrop%26width%3D1000&f=1%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
Do Japanese brands dominate the car market in Australia?
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2018, 06:57:51 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 01, 2018, 06:57:51 PM
Top sellers are Mazda and Toyota, with Hyundai in there as well.
Toyota 111,854
Mazda 59,344
Hyundai 49,943
Mitsu 43,871
Ford 36,443
Holden 32,614
Kia 31,348
Nissan 29,727
VW 29,469
Honda 29,301
Subaru 26,305
Mercedes 21,810
Isuzu Ute 13,390
BMW 12,909
Audi 10,624
SUV's outsell sedans, and if you include commercial vehicles (trucks) then sedans make up only about half the sales, and it's falling rapidly.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2018, 08:01:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2018, 08:01:24 PM
Yes.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Top sellers are Mazda and Toyota, with Hyundai in there as well.
Toyota 111,854
Mazda 59,344
Hyundai 49,943
Mitsu 43,871
Ford 36,443
Holden 32,614
Kia 31,348
Nissan 29,727
VW 29,469
Honda 29,301
Subaru 26,305
Mercedes 21,810
Isuzu Ute 13,390
BMW 12,909
Audi 10,624
SUV's outsell sedans, and if you include commercial vehicles (trucks) then sedans make up only about half the sales, and it's falling rapidly.
Australia likes SUV'S and trucks too.
Holden is GM right?
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Chuck Bronson on December 01, 2018, 09:12:47 PM
Post by: Chuck Bronson on December 01, 2018, 09:12:47 PM
Holden is GM right?Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Yes, although they don't actually build anything anymore.
They are strictly importers now (from Opel in Germany, and from GM North American plants)
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Berry Sweet on December 01, 2018, 11:48:37 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on December 01, 2018, 11:48:37 PM
Yes.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Sold in their millions. Hugely popular. Sold a lot in Australia too. But they simply were not up to the level of the Japanese cars and were discontinued in the 70's.(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.historics.co.uk%2Fmedia%2F1055659%2F1968_ford_cortina_1600_super_1.jpg%3Fanchor%3Dcenter%26mode%3Dcrop%26width%3D1000&f=1%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%20...%203D1000&f=1%22%3Ehttps://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.historics.co.uk%2Fmedia%2F1055659%2F1968_ford_cortina_1600_super_1.jpg%3Fanchor%3Dcenter%26mode%3Dcrop%26width%3D1000&f=1%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
I'd like to have a car like that. All the cars on the road today are big and bulky...ugly...they all look the same.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2018, 01:13:49 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2018, 01:13:49 AM
What's the worst car everyone has owned? Ford Taurus or tortoise for me.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
The most unreliable vehicle we've owned was a Dodge truck my husband owned when we were first married..
He was always working on it.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2018, 07:46:44 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2018, 07:46:44 AM
What's the worst car everyone has owned? Ford Taurus or tortoise for me.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
1975 Ford Granada 2 door. First wheels I ever owned, worst wheels I ever owned.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2018, 06:36:41 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 02, 2018, 06:36:41 PM
Holden is GM right?
Yes. And in times past, they sold more cars than all the others combined, as GM promoted the Holden as an Australia designed and built car...which in the main it was. However, in the late 70's, in order to reduce costs globally, GM started on their "World Car" concept that shared components and design from all of it's subsidiaries.
So the Holden became an Australianised Opel. The Opel was designed as a 2 litre European car...Holden Australian dropped bigger 6 and 8 cylinder engines in it for the Australian market.
However, Holden's major focus was on sedans and derivatives (station wagons, utilities, sports sedans) built on the identical platform, as was Ford's with their "Falcon" range.
Somewhere along the line, someone forgot to tell GM and Ford that consumers were losing interest in big engined sedans, and that smaller more fuel efficient cars were taking over the market at one end, and SUV's at the other.
But they had no interest in investing R&D in these areas, dominated by Japanese cars. Australian's would keep buying the local product, right? Even if the quality gap was widening by a substantial margin. First Ford started importing from their European factories, then Holden from Europe and SE Asia. But their cars were and are garbage. Poorly designed, cheaply built and most often a parts bin combination of engines from one model with gearboxes from another, and drive shaft from somewhere else.
This was not unique. Volkswagen builds Skodas that way. But GM and Ford are not VW. Or Toyota. Or Honda.
GM's market here is collapsing. The Holden brand will not survive, and we will more likely see other GM subsidiaries take over, or GM dealerships will offer a variety of makes. Already, Holden dealerships are disappearing, and the worst is yet to come as their brand value continues to freefall.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2018, 08:17:53 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2018, 08:17:53 AM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2018, 06:00:18 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2018, 06:00:18 PM
Skoda.
The only thing that moves through the yard now is tumbleweed.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2018, 06:12:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2018, 06:12:57 PM
We had a Ford dealership nearby...but as Ford's market share collapsed, it decided to convert to another brand.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Skoda.
The only thing that moves through the yard now is tumbleweed.
Ford was making Skodas?
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2018, 06:36:28 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2018, 06:36:28 PM
They couldn't sell Ford's any more. So they switched to Skoda, which are made by Volkswagen.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2018, 06:54:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2018, 06:54:17 PM
No.Quote from: "Bricktop"
They couldn't sell Ford's any more. So they switched to Skoda, which are made by Volkswagen.
Ford is the Australian wholesaler for Skoda?
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2018, 07:35:31 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 03, 2018, 07:35:31 PM
Their abandonment of manufacturing in Australia in lieu of cheap Asian labour did not help their cause either. But they don't make vehicles that resonate with the Australian consumer as they did when they designed and built Australian cars.
Ford and GM quality is questionable when compared to Japanese and European marques, and now even challenged by Korea. For companies that have been around far longer than most, this is quite perplexing. You'd think that they would have developed the same level of manufacturing and brand management as Japan and Germany.
But the reality is they build cars for the American consumer, and buy and rebrand other cars for the rest of the world.
This will only hasten their demise.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2019, 10:30:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2019, 10:30:18 PM
CAMBRIDGE, Ont. — Toyota will start building the Lexus NX SUV at its Cambridge, Ont., plant starting in 2022, the company announced Monday, saying the move demonstrates its commitment to staying in the province.
The plant will produce both a standard and hybrid version of the vehicle to supply the North American market.
Fred Volf, president of Toyota Motor Manufacturing Canada, said the announcement is good news for Ontario auto workers.
"It means that Toyota's Canadian manufacturing operations are here to stay," he said during a news conference at the plant held with the prime minister.
Toyota will have extra capacity at the plant after announcing in March that it would shift production of the hybrid RAV4 SUV to the U.S.
Last year, the company committed to invest $1.4 billion in its Cambridge and Woodstock plants in Ontario. The federal government committed $110 million to support the investment.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said government funding will always play a role in securing the future of the Canadian auto industry.
The new product announcement by Toyota comes after Ontario was hit by major job loss announcements recently.
General Motors Canada announced last November that it would close its Oshawa, Ont., plant by the end of 2019 at a loss of almost 3,000 jobs, while Fiat Chrysler said in March that it would cut a shift at its Windsor, Ont., plant later this year at a loss of about 1,500 jobs.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on April 30, 2019, 11:54:00 PM
Post by: Bricktop on April 30, 2019, 11:54:00 PM
It makes crap cars that can't sell.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2019, 12:03:40 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2019, 12:03:40 AM
GM is doomed.Quote from: "Bricktop"
It makes crap cars that can't sell.
Their trucks are doing very well.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 01, 2019, 12:19:34 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 01, 2019, 12:19:34 AM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2019, 09:34:11 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2019, 09:34:11 AM
No auto manufacturer can survive on just trucks. The market is almost solely the US.Quote from: "Bricktop"
But, as Seoul has said before, Ford, GM and Chrysler seem like they want to be smaller companies relying on truck sales alone..
They have given up trying to compete with Asian and European automakers for the car market.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2019, 10:18:24 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2019, 10:18:24 AM
No auto manufacturer can survive on just trucks. The market is almost solely the US.Quote from: "Bricktop"
That's exactly how the big three North American automakers plan to survive. Smaller companies with a niche product line.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 01, 2019, 06:38:58 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 01, 2019, 06:38:58 PM
The maths don't add up. If you shrink your product base, your revenue will reduce accordingly.
That means less revenue for R&D, innovation and production investment.
The larger companies will be more likely to innovate and control the market. Niche products tend to be vulnerable to changes in demand as a result of economic and consumer fluctuations.
GM is increasingly vulnerable. Ford less so because of its stronger European business.
GM is building very few vehicles outside of the US. The GM mass consumer product range is largely rebadged Asian models.
Like Chrysler, larger companies will be circling. And look what has happened to Chrysler.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2019, 10:17:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2019, 10:17:37 PM
That is a strategy for oblivion. As any student of Business Management will know, the strategy of shrinking your business to respond to competition invariably leads to a company's demise.Quote from: "Bricktop"
The maths don't add up. If you shrink your product base, your revenue will reduce accordingly.
That means less revenue for R&D, innovation and production investment.
The larger companies will be more likely to innovate and control the market. Niche products tend to be vulnerable to changes in demand as a result of economic and consumer fluctuations.
GM is increasingly vulnerable. Ford less so because of its stronger European business.
GM is building very few vehicles outside of the US. The GM mass consumer product range is largely rebadged Asian models.
Like Chrysler, larger companies will be circling. And look what has happened to Chrysler.
But, Ford is very profitable isn't it..
So too is GM, I thought.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 01, 2019, 10:22:13 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 01, 2019, 10:22:13 PM
GM only has its el cheapo Chevrolet brand and they are hard to stop on British motorways. It's biggest brand in Europe was Opel, but they have sold that to Peugeot as part of their retraction programme.
Maybe they have a long term business plan that makes them more profitable...but the only way they will make MORE money from LESS inventory is to shut down factories and reduce overheads. And that is usually a very short term gain.
And GM has not been bashful in the past to rely on Government payouts and subsidies to maintain profitability. Those days are long gone.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2019, 12:39:48 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2019, 12:39:48 AM
Ford's China blitz: 50 new vehicles by 2025
And GM too
General Motors To Continue Growth Momentum
General Motors Strengthens Core Business and Future Mobility
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 02, 2019, 02:07:37 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 02, 2019, 02:07:37 AM
That report is less than encouraging if you read between the lines.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2019, 10:50:47 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2019, 10:50:47 AM
CEO Mary Barra's tough turnaround plan at General Motors has already started paying off.
GM's fourth-quarter earnings, released Wednesday, beat Wall Street expectations on tighter cost controls and higher truck sales.
This was Q4 after solid Q3 numbers.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2019, 11:20:04 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2019, 11:20:04 AM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 02, 2019, 06:38:13 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 02, 2019, 06:38:13 PM
I saw this Bricktop.Quote from: "Fashionista"
CEO Mary Barra's tough turnaround plan at General Motors has already started paying off.
GM's fourth-quarter earnings, released Wednesday, beat Wall Street expectations on tighter cost controls and higher truck sales.
This was Q4 after solid Q3 numbers.
Cutting back costs by reducing your manufacturing capability will give your profit a kick. But it is not sustainable unless you improve productivity at the same time.
GM is closing factories all over the world. This is not the sign of a healthy and stable business.
Any manufacturer who relies on China as it's platform for growth is taking an enormous risk. Sooner rather than later, China's own vehicle manufacturers will reach the quality levels of the Koreans and Japanese, and this exceeds the quality level of both Ford and GM.
If it weren't for their truck divisions, largely focussed in the US, they would already be in dire straights. It should not be forgotten that in the not too distant past, Ford owned Jaguar and Land Rover, while GM owned Saab.
Jaguar and Land Rover survived only because an Indian car maker saw value in the brands and rebuilt them, and Saab are no more.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2019, 07:00:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2019, 07:00:14 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 02, 2019, 07:17:17 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 02, 2019, 07:17:17 PM
Long term pain.
It's rather typical of American business management. A text book example of this is when Iaccoca took over Apple. He decided to shut down development and research of new products and instead focus on a desktop PC as a core product. This is the same guy who ran Chrysler and did the same thing there, restoring profitability - for a short period.
Where is Chrysler now?
Apple almost collapsed under his direction because he failed to grasp that innovation and development is key to survival, especially in the technology industry.
Apple had to recall Jobs...and the rest is history. Innovation. Developing new products. Challenging the market with inventiveness and entrepreneurship. Shrinking away will provide improved profitability in the immediate timeframe, but will eventually lead to despair.
Who's example would you rather follow as an investor? Apple, or Chrysler?
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2019, 09:04:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2019, 09:04:25 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 02, 2019, 09:15:01 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 02, 2019, 09:15:01 PM
Their SUV's are miles away from Japanese sales. You'll be lucky to see a Ford or GM badge in the outback and desert areas.
It seems their market dominance in the commercial vehicle sector is in the US and Canada only. You won't see them in Europe.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Gaon on May 03, 2019, 12:14:19 AM
Post by: Gaon on May 03, 2019, 12:14:19 AM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 03, 2019, 01:02:39 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 03, 2019, 01:02:39 AM
Outside the US, they are as rare as a fly in Antarctica.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 03, 2019, 10:14:15 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 03, 2019, 10:14:15 AM
In the US and Canada, F150 are thicker than flies in our outback.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Outside the US, they are as rare as a fly in Antarctica.
What are the most popular pick up trucks in Australia?
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 03, 2019, 10:50:27 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 03, 2019, 10:50:27 AM
How GM went from a government bailout and bankruptcy to being one of the world's best-run car companies a decade later
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 03, 2019, 03:13:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 03, 2019, 03:13:50 PM
GM is doing alright.Quote from: "Herman"
How GM went from a government bailout and bankruptcy to being one of the world's best-run car companies a decade laterhttps://www.businessinsider.com/gm-mary-barra-management-helped-save-automaker-2018-10
GM has taken a page from the Hunter Harrison book on corporate turnarounds.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 03, 2019, 07:14:42 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 03, 2019, 07:14:42 PM
In the US and Canada, F150 are thicker than flies in our outback.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Outside the US, they are as rare as a fly in Antarctica.
What are the most popular pick up trucks in Australia?
Toyota Hilux, Mazda BT50 and Ford Ranger.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Gaon on May 04, 2019, 11:46:58 AM
Post by: Gaon on May 04, 2019, 11:46:58 AM
In the US and Canada, F150 are thicker than flies in our outback.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Outside the US, they are as rare as a fly in Antarctica.
What are the most popular pick up trucks in Australia?
Toyota Hilux, Mazda BT50 and Ford Ranger.
But, the Ford Ranger is a small pickup.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Gaon on May 04, 2019, 12:14:44 PM
Post by: Gaon on May 04, 2019, 12:14:44 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2019, 04:55:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2019, 04:55:45 PM
In the US and Canada, F150 are thicker than flies in our outback.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Outside the US, they are as rare as a fly in Antarctica.
What are the most popular pick up trucks in Australia?
Toyota Hilux, Mazda BT50 and Ford Ranger.
Mazda BT50 is essntially a Ford Ranger.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 04, 2019, 06:27:48 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 04, 2019, 06:27:48 PM
In the US and Canada, F150 are thicker than flies in our outback.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Outside the US, they are as rare as a fly in Antarctica.
What are the most popular pick up trucks in Australia?
Toyota Hilux, Mazda BT50 and Ford Ranger.
But, the Ford Ranger is a small pickup.
Ford badges different vehicles with the same name. A Ford Ranger here is a big utility...as SB says, it's just a rebadged and slightly modified Mazda BT50.
Ford tried the F150 here. It tanked. GM tried something called a Suburban. They couldn't flog that piece of junk even if they filled it with gold.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2019, 07:25:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2019, 07:25:30 PM
In the US and Canada, F150 are thicker than flies in our outback.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Outside the US, they are as rare as a fly in Antarctica.
What are the most popular pick up trucks in Australia?
Toyota Hilux, Mazda BT50 and Ford Ranger.
But, the Ford Ranger is a small pickup.
Ford badges different vehicles with the same name. A Ford Ranger here is a big utility...as SB says, it's just a rebadged and slightly modified Mazda BT50.
Ford tried the F150 here. It tanked. GM tried something called a Suburban. They couldn't flog that piece of junk even if they filled it with gold.
The Suburnan is a block and a half long
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 04, 2019, 07:32:04 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 04, 2019, 07:32:04 PM
People looked at it and wondered what the point was.
Fuel costs would be massive. Parking that monster would be problematic. Keeping it clean would waste an entire weekend.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2019, 10:20:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2019, 10:20:39 PM
Yes, it was monstrous.Quote from: "Bricktop"
People looked at it and wondered what the point was.
Fuel costs would be massive. Parking that monster would be problematic. Keeping it clean would waste an entire weekend.
Thanks, but no thanks.
And it is ugly. Just like the Yukon.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2019, 01:00:06 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2019, 01:00:06 AM
The Toyota Hilux is sold in Israel. I think in North America it is the Tacoma.Quote from: "Gaon"
That's a small truck. The Tundra is Toyota's biggest pickup here. I'd take a Silverado anyday over a Tundra.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2019, 06:39:57 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2019, 06:39:57 AM
You think Ladas are a premium vehicle.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2019, 11:48:44 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2019, 11:48:44 AM
Yeah, but you're Ukranian.Quote from: "Bricktop"
You think Ladas are a premium vehicle.
You want a premium second hand vehicle, get yourself into a Daewoo Lanos.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2019, 04:03:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2019, 04:03:50 PM
It was a very nice car to drive.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2019, 06:19:09 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2019, 06:19:09 PM
Yeah, but you're Ukranian.Quote from: "Bricktop"
You think Ladas are a premium vehicle.
You want a premium second hand vehicle, get yourself into a Daewoo Lanos.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2019, 06:26:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2019, 06:26:54 PM
Yeah, but you're Ukranian.Quote from: "Bricktop"
You think Ladas are a premium vehicle.
You want a premium second hand vehicle, get yourself into a Daewoo Lanos.
ac_lmfao
So, does that mean you'll pass Bricktop?
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2019, 06:35:28 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2019, 06:35:28 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2019, 09:14:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2019, 09:14:48 PM
I could never afford a used Lanos!!!Quote from: "Bricktop"
Are they bought by vintage car collectors.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2019, 09:16:14 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2019, 09:16:14 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2019, 12:10:40 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2019, 12:10:40 AM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 06, 2019, 01:10:46 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 06, 2019, 01:10:46 AM
But whenever you see a car broken down on the side of the road, it is usually a Hyundai.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Gaon on May 06, 2019, 01:33:47 AM
Post by: Gaon on May 06, 2019, 01:33:47 AM
Don't have them here as far as I know.Quote from: "Bricktop"
But whenever you see a car broken down on the side of the road, it is usually a Hyundai.
Hyundai vehicles sell very well in Israel.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 06, 2019, 02:25:16 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 06, 2019, 02:25:16 AM
To people who just want a cheap car.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2019, 11:35:30 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2019, 11:35:30 AM
They're selling well here too.Quote from: "Bricktop"
To people who just want a cheap car.
The Santa Fe, Tuscon and Elantra models are everywhere. They are competitive with Japanese cars and better value than German cars.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Skippy on May 06, 2019, 08:20:55 PM
Post by: Skippy on May 06, 2019, 08:20:55 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Skippy on May 06, 2019, 08:22:57 PM
Post by: Skippy on May 06, 2019, 08:22:57 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2019, 09:16:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2019, 09:16:41 PM
I like the dodge ramQuote from: "Skippy"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://autovolostorage.blob.core.windows.net/advertimages-2743752/dodge-ram-2013-326l.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://autovolostorage.blob.core.windo%20...%203-326l.jpg%22%3Ehttps://autovolostorage.blob.core.windows.net/advertimages-2743752/dodge-ram-2013-326l.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
Is it better than Ford and GMC trucks Skippy?
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Skippy on May 06, 2019, 09:32:57 PM
Post by: Skippy on May 06, 2019, 09:32:57 PM
I like the dodge ramQuote from: "Skippy"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://autovolostorage.blob.core.windows.net/advertimages-2743752/dodge-ram-2013-326l.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://autovolostorage.blob.core.windo%20...%203-326l.jpg%22%3Ehttps://autovolostorage.blob.core.windows.net/advertimages-2743752/dodge-ram-2013-326l.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
Is it better than Ford and GMC trucks Skippy?
The build quality is much better than the silverado and the F150
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Gaon on May 07, 2019, 04:51:03 PM
Post by: Gaon on May 07, 2019, 04:51:03 PM
I like the dodge ramQuote from: "Skippy"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://autovolostorage.blob.core.windows.net/advertimages-2743752/dodge-ram-2013-326l.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://autovolostorage.blob.core.windo%20...%203-326l.jpg%22%3Ehttps://autovolostorage.blob.core.windows.net/advertimages-2743752/dodge-ram-2013-326l.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
Is it better than Ford and GMC trucks Skippy?
The build quality is much better than the silverado and the F150
I own an older F-150. We don't see many Rams on our work sites.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 07, 2019, 06:15:13 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 07, 2019, 06:15:13 PM
They are being sold through Jeep dealerships, which means they won't be able to give them away.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 08, 2019, 01:25:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 08, 2019, 01:25:27 PM
ORONTO — The heads of Unifor and General Motors Canada are set to make an announcement this morning about the future of operations in Oshawa, Ont.
A statement from Unifor Local 222 says national president Jerry Dias and Travis Hester, GM Canada's president and managing director, will hold a joint news conference in Toronto at 11 a.m. ET.
The statement offers few further details, other than the announcement will concern "operations in Oshawa."
GM announced last November it would cease production at the Oshawa plant by the end of 2019, affecting about 2,600 union workers.
In March, Unifor suspended a media campaign against GM amid what the union called productive talks with the automaker on the future of the Oshawa plant.
The union said the company had been clear it wouldn't extend vehicle manufacturing at the facility beyond the end of the year, but acknowledged there is potential to transform operations to maintain some jobs.
We shall soon see what's next for GM in Ontario.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2019, 12:18:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2019, 12:18:39 PM
General Motors Canada says it will invest $170 million in its Oshawa, Ont., plant to transition the facility from manufacturing vehicles to stamping, sub-assembly and autonomous vehicle testing.
GM Canada president Travis Hester says the move will save 300 of 2,600 union jobs at the plant.
Hester made the announcement this morning in Toronto alongside Unifor national president Jerry Dias at a news conference. He said the transformed plant will have the potential to grow and attract more jobs as the facility attracts new customers.
GM announced last November it would cease production at the plant by the end of 2019, affecting about 2,600 workers.
Hester told reporters that the Oshawa site will still end vehicle production at the end of 2019, but 22 hectares of the facility will be converted into a test track for autonomous and other advanced vehicles, which Hester said will help expand the nearby Canadian Technical Centre.
Better than nothing, but not by much.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 09, 2019, 06:31:04 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 09, 2019, 06:31:04 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Gaon on May 09, 2019, 10:47:03 PM
Post by: Gaon on May 09, 2019, 10:47:03 PM
A token gesture to try and prop up the brand in Canada. A typical GM ploy. The brand will be gone from Australia in the next year or so.Quote from: "Bricktop"
That is what it looks like.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 09, 2019, 10:49:25 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 09, 2019, 10:49:25 PM
They do not give a toss about the Australian market. They are abandoning ALL right hand drive products. You guys still buy their crap, so they'll play nice to your face.
Because Ford have a strong presence in the UK, they will continue with right hand drive vehicles. But GM will be out of that market very soon.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Gaon on May 09, 2019, 11:01:30 PM
Post by: Gaon on May 09, 2019, 11:01:30 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2019, 11:08:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2019, 11:08:06 PM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 09, 2019, 11:29:19 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 09, 2019, 11:29:19 PM
GM is using Israeli talent to develop autonomous car technology.Quote from: "Gaon"
Like electric cars, that technology is a dead end.
There has already been deaths in these robot vehicles.
Drone vehicles are a dumb idea. No technology is able to predict and react to every possible contingency that occurs on the roads.
Unless and until robotic cars can do this, it will still require human intervention. So why allow technology to control a lethal machine?
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2019, 11:39:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2019, 11:39:39 PM
GM is using Israeli talent to develop autonomous car technology.Quote from: "Gaon"
Like electric cars, that technology is a dead end.
There has already been deaths in these robot vehicles.
Drone vehicles are a dumb idea. No technology is able to predict and react to every possible contingency that occurs on the roads.
Unless and until robotic cars can do this, it will still require human intervention. So why allow technology to control a lethal machine?
It cannot work. With vehicles, the driver assumes responsibility for accidents. For self driven cars, the manufacturer does. Car makers cannot afford that kind of liability.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 09, 2019, 11:49:48 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 09, 2019, 11:49:48 PM
They are denying liability for the fatal in the US a few years back.
And that will be the deal breaker...just like re-charge times for electric cars. There's a Hyundai just been released here. 450 kilometres on a single charge. They brag about its 3 hour charge time.
We have driveways that are 450km long here. Who's going to stick around waiting for 3 hours when they're half way to Melbourne.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Gaon on May 10, 2019, 01:35:12 AM
Post by: Gaon on May 10, 2019, 01:35:12 AM
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 10, 2019, 04:48:19 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 10, 2019, 04:48:19 AM
I suspect it's more about government manipulation than practicality.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2019, 09:11:23 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2019, 09:11:23 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"[b]I'm not at all certain as to what is actually driving this concept.[/b]
I suspect it's more about government manipulation than practicality.
Nobody, they drive themselves.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 11, 2019, 03:22:11 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 11, 2019, 03:22:11 AM
OK.
You get a giggle for that.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2019, 10:52:24 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2019, 10:52:24 AM
:001_rolleyes:
OK.
You get a giggle for that.
:laugh3:
Seriously, I could not feel comfortable in a self driving car..
I would not get in a plane that didn't have pilots.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 11, 2019, 08:27:17 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 11, 2019, 08:27:17 PM
The dog's job is to make sure the pilot doesn't touch any controls.
The pilot's job is to feed the dog.
Modern aircraft are already fully automated. The Airbus A380, the world's largest aircraft, lands itself.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2019, 04:34:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2019, 04:34:56 PM
Planes of the future will only have a pilot and a dog in the cockpit.Quote from: "Bricktop"
The dog's job is to make sure the pilot doesn't touch any controls.
The pilot's job is to feed the dog.
Modern aircraft are already fully automated. The Airbus A380, the world's largest aircraft, lands itself.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FODhSJucbK0
But, what if the system that lands the aircraft fails. You still need pilots to land the plane the old fashioned way.
Title: Re: GM closing all Oshawa, Ontario operations
Post by: Bricktop on May 12, 2019, 07:08:50 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 12, 2019, 07:08:50 PM
Except if its a Boeing 737 Max 3. Then there is nothing they can do.