Is the great and looming wave of social unrest that will change our world forever starting in France?
//https://www.bbc.com/news/world-46429930
Massive and constant street protests including violence and property destruction against their government.
But this time (in contrast to 1968) the movement includes people from all colours of the socio-political spectrum. Left and right, middle and working class, old and young are all moving against their government for increasing the cost of living beyond reason.
Les jiletes jaune are perhaps representative of the future of civilian uprising. And the future is now.
If things get any worse in France, it could spill over into Europe and beyond.
Buy your yellow vests, kiddies...just in case.
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//https://www.bbc.com/news/world-46429930
Massive and constant street protests including violence and property destruction against their government.
But this time (in contrast to 1968) the movement includes people from all colours of the socio-political spectrum. Left and right, middle and working class, old and young are all moving against their government for increasing the cost of living beyond reason.
Les jiletes jaune are perhaps representative of the future of civilian uprising. And the future is now.
If things get any worse in France, it could spill over into Europe and beyond.
Buy your yellow vests, kiddies...just in case.
What are the main reasons for their protest?
Rising costs...particularly fuel. Macron is trying to get France to comply with the Paris agreement by taxing the hell of of French people.
So prices are rising rapidly and irrationally. The French are volatile at best. It is no coincidence that the first revolution occurred in France.
They almost succeeded in forcing the De Gaulle government out in 1968...De Gaulle had a plane standing by to take him to the UK if the rioters breached the government building.
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So prices are rising rapidly and irrationally. The French are volatile at best. It is no coincidence that the first revolution occurred in France.
They almost succeeded in forcing the De Gaulle government out in 1968...De Gaulle had a plane standing by to take him to the UK if the rioters breached the government building.
One thing that would topple the governments of China and Singapore is the kind of carbon tax confiscation that our prime minister and our premier are imposing on us.
Well, if the French either cause their government to collapse, or change it's policies, the rest of the world will be watching.
People have had enough of this madness.
I see recently the UN is causing more panic by saying we're at crisis point, and that carbon emissions have in fact increased. If this is so, perhaps they would do well to find out WHY they are rising, and address the root cause...which will almost certainly be China, India and third world countries.
Condemning first world nations for the sins of the entire planet is like blaming white people for the plight of non-whites.
I thought the reason the French were rioting because of austerity measures Macron implemented to deal with their debt and bloated civil service.
"The "gilets jaunes" protesters, so-called because they have taken to the streets wearing the high-visibility yellow clothing that is required to be carried in every vehicle by French law, are complaining at a sharp increase in diesel taxes.
Mr Macron says his motivation for the increase is environmental, but protesters call him out of touch - particularly with non-city dwellers who rely on their cars. "
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It's a bit of both-- Its green taxes, mostly on fuel, but much of the revenue will go toward reducing their deficit.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-france-protests/frances-macron-learns-the-hard-way-green-taxes-carry-political-risks-idUSKBN1O10AQ
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Of the 34 billion euros ($38.71 billion) the French government will raise on fuel taxes in 2018, a sum of only 7.2 billion euros is earmarked for environmental measures.
This is why, as brick pointed out in the OP, Macron has everyone mad at him, left, right and all in between. No wonder his approval rating is around 25%
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Why is it always the people who have to pay for the global warming thing..
Raising the fuel prices does not take away the need for using cars.. You just have less to spend on other consumer products.
Raising taxes seems to be the solution to every problem..
Western governments have long become addicted to using the taxation system to force social change.
Apparently the yellow vests have prevailed, at least temporarily.
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1069863620253806593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1069863620253806593&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fgregp-3534%2F2018%2F12%2F04%2Fyellow-vests-1-emmanuel-macron-0-france-to-delay-global-warming-fuel-tax-increase%2F
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/12/04/yellow-vests-1-emmanuel-macron-0-france-to-delay-global-warming-fuel-tax-increase/
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1069863620253806593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1069863620253806593&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fgregp-3534%2F2018%2F12%2F04%2Fyellow-vests-1-emmanuel-macron-0-france-to-delay-global-warming-fuel-tax-increase%2F
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/12/04/yellow-vests-1-emmanuel-macron-0-france-to-delay-global-warming-fuel-tax-increase/
Hooray.
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It's a bit of both-- Its green taxes, mostly on fuel, but much of the revenue will go toward reducing their deficit.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-france-protests/frances-macron-learns-the-hard-way-green-taxes-carry-political-risks-idUSKBN1O10AQ
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Of the 34 billion euros ($38.71 billion) the French government will raise on fuel taxes in 2018, a sum of only 7.2 billion euros is earmarked for environmental measures.
This is why, as brick pointed out in the OP, Macron has everyone mad at him, left, right and all in between. No wonder his approval rating is around 25%
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Don't expect Canadians to mimic what the French are doing. It won't happen here.
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It's a bit of both-- Its green taxes, mostly on fuel, but much of the revenue will go toward reducing their deficit.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-france-protests/frances-macron-learns-the-hard-way-green-taxes-carry-political-risks-idUSKBN1O10AQ
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Of the 34 billion euros ($38.71 billion) the French government will raise on fuel taxes in 2018, a sum of only 7.2 billion euros is earmarked for environmental measures.
This is why, as brick pointed out in the OP, Macron has everyone mad at him, left, right and all in between. No wonder his approval rating is around 25%
BTW Note the last part
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Don't expect Canadians to mimic what the French are doing. It won't happen here.
I suspect you are correct. While western democracies are quite similar there are some differences. Carbon taxes in the US have never taken hold, but as Herman said our immigration system is the worst of any western democracy. There are small variations all around.'
BTW I don't support rioting. Peaceful protesting should be the norm, but I am glad the French people prevailed, at least for now.
Rioting in the streets is part of French culture and tradition dating back to the Revolution. To them, it is perfectly reasonable. To the rest of us, criminal and pointless.
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There is a happy medium. Israelis would never put up with a pm like Trudeau imposing his unpopular will on the people.
It bemuses me that such a dolt could even get elected, let alone be a PM. He is way out of his depth.
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I submitted my immigration application near the end of Stephen Harper's term as pm. I never thought Canadians would elect Justin Trudeau.
And if polls are to be believed...twice.
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It's all but certain that Justin Trudeau will be reelected..
The two main opposition parties have weak leaders.
Or weak policies.
Have these opposition parties committed to reversing any of Trudeau's follies?
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Have these opposition parties committed to reversing any of Trudeau's follies?
Andrew Scheer's Conservatives have said they will drop the national carbon tax cash grab and close the loopholes in the Third Party Agreement that allows people to walk across the border where there are no border guards and claim asylum..
I don't know what his party's plans to do about Bills C-49 and C-69 that have destroyed Canada's once prosperous energy sector.
Well, if they are unpopular policies the opposition should reverse them.
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This is why they are rather weak..
They are not offering a clear alternative.
Then it is not a leadership issue, but a policy issue.
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No, it's leadership..
The leader doesn't know what policies he wants other than repealing Justin Trudeau's carbon tax and closing the loopholes in the Safe Third Party Agreement.
In other words, the opposition is either not heeding the wish of the people...or not enough people are wanting any changes.
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The Conservative Party of Andre Scheer is not very conservative at all. This is why the man who lost the leadership race to Andrew Scheer on the twelfth ballot started a real conservative party that will split the vote and guarantee Trudeau another majority.
Is the Conservative Party of Canada conservative enough?
The party won't win the next election, or any others, if it can't connect with voters on the issues that Maxime Bernier is championing
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/np-view-is-the-conservative-party-of-canada-conservative-enough
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Have these opposition parties committed to reversing any of Trudeau's follies?
Andrew Scheer's Conservatives have said they will drop the national carbon tax cash grab and close the loopholes in the Third Party Agreement that allows people to walk across the border where there are no border guards and claim asylum..
I don't know what his party's plans to do about Bills C-49 and C-69 that have destroyed Canada's once prosperous energy sector.
That is not true. The CPC does have party positions on those bills. The problem is that Andrew Scheer is having a hard time getting any attention from the media. People in Ontario don't know who he is. Justine sucks up all the leftist media's oxygen
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So prices are rising rapidly and irrationally. The French are volatile at best. It is no coincidence that the first revolution occurred in France.
They almost succeeded in forcing the De Gaulle government out in 1968...De Gaulle had a plane standing by to take him to the UK if the rioters breached the government building.
Well when a country doesnt have abundant sources of oil, gas or hydro power like Canada, it needs to get the money from somewhere to pay for it.
The Brave New World Energy consumption hasn't entirely become a reality yet.
Otherwise the French government wouldn't be taxing the hell out of their own people
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So prices are rising rapidly and irrationally. The French are volatile at best. It is no coincidence that the first revolution occurred in France.
They almost succeeded in forcing the De Gaulle government out in 1968...De Gaulle had a plane standing by to take him to the UK if the rioters breached the government building.
Well when a country doesnt have abundant sources of oil, gas or hydro power like Canada, it needs to get the money from somewhere to pay for it.
The Brave New World Energy consumption hasn't entirely become a reality yet.
Otherwise the French government wouldn't be taxing the hell out of their own people
Make life more expensive for working people. That's what progs do best, destroy the middle class.
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The Conservative Party of Andre Scheer is not very conservative at all. This is why the man who lost the leadership race to Andrew Scheer on the twelfth ballot started a real conservative party that will split the vote and guarantee Trudeau another majority.
Is the Conservative Party of Canada conservative enough?
The party won't win the next election, or any others, if it can't connect with voters on the issues that Maxime Bernier is championing
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/np-view-is-the-conservative-party-of-canada-conservative-enough
As someone who voted Liberal in 2015, I may vote for Scheer in 2019.
I don't like how Trudeau is running up deficits.
His finance minister Bill Mourneau seems to promote neo liberal as opposed to actual Socially liberal policies all the while running up the national debt. So in reality is the worst of both. Socially regressive policies and poor fiscal management.
That someone like Scheer could apoeal to the other side says something for him.
Evidently, Maxime Bernier's poor sportsmanship folliwing his loss at the conservative leadership convention demonstrated why he would have been a bad choice for Tory party leader.
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The Conservative Party of Andre Scheer is not very conservative at all. This is why the man who lost the leadership race to Andrew Scheer on the twelfth ballot started a real conservative party that will split the vote and guarantee Trudeau another majority.
Is the Conservative Party of Canada conservative enough?
The party won't win the next election, or any others, if it can't connect with voters on the issues that Maxime Bernier is championing
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/np-view-is-the-conservative-party-of-canada-conservative-enough
As someone who voted Liberal in 2015, I may vote for Scheer in 2019.
I don't like how Trudeau is running up deficits.
His finance minister Bill Mourneau seems to promote neo liberal as opposed to actual Socially liberal policies all the while running up the national debt. So in reality is the worst of both. Socially regressive policies and poor fiscal management.
That someone like Scheer could apoeal to the other side says something for hom.
Evidently, Maxime Bernier's lack of sportsmanship folliwing his loss at the conservative leadership convention demonstrated why he would have been a bad choice for Tory party leader.
Trudeau, Scheer, and the rag head are all prog pieces of shit. We have the illusion of democracy in the country. We have no real choice.
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The Conservative Party of Andre Scheer is not very conservative at all. This is why the man who lost the leadership race to Andrew Scheer on the twelfth ballot started a real conservative party that will split the vote and guarantee Trudeau another majority.
Is the Conservative Party of Canada conservative enough?
The party won't win the next election, or any others, if it can't connect with voters on the issues that Maxime Bernier is championing
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/np-view-is-the-conservative-party-of-canada-conservative-enough
As someone who voted Liberal in 2015, I may vote for Scheer in 2019.
I don't like how Trudeau is running up deficits.
His finance minister Bill Mourneau seems to promote neo liberal as opposed to actual Socially liberal policies all the while running up the national debt. So in reality is the worst of both. Socially regressive policies and poor fiscal management.
That someone like Scheer could apoeal to the other side says something for hom.
Evidently, Maxime Bernier's lack of sportsmanship folliwing his loss at the conservative leadership convention demonstrated why he would have been a bad choice for Tory party leader.
Trudeau, Scheer, and
:001_rolleyes:
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The Conservative Party of Andre Scheer is not very conservative at all. This is why the man who lost the leadership race to Andrew Scheer on the twelfth ballot started a real conservative party that will split the vote and guarantee Trudeau another majority.
Is the Conservative Party of Canada conservative enough?
The party won't win the next election, or any others, if it can't connect with voters on the issues that Maxime Bernier is championing
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/np-view-is-the-conservative-party-of-canada-conservative-enough
As someone who voted Liberal in 2015, I may vote for Scheer in 2019.
I don't like how Trudeau is running up deficits.
His finance minister Bill Mourneau seems to promote neo liberal as opposed to actual Socially liberal policies all the while running up the national debt. So in reality is the worst of both. Socially regressive policies and poor fiscal management.
That someone like Scheer could apoeal to the other side says something for hom.
Evidently, Maxime Bernier's lack of sportsmanship folliwing his loss at the conservative leadership convention demonstrated why he would have been a bad choice for Tory party leader.
Trudeau, Scheer, and the rag head are all prog pieces of shit. We have the illusion of democracy in the country. We have no real choice.
However if Scheer is a more fiscally responsible version of what you describe, then he may still be the better choice next time.
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The Conservative Party of Andre Scheer is not very conservative at all. This is why the man who lost the leadership race to Andrew Scheer on the twelfth ballot started a real conservative party that will split the vote and guarantee Trudeau another majority.
Is the Conservative Party of Canada conservative enough?
The party won't win the next election, or any others, if it can't connect with voters on the issues that Maxime Bernier is championing
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/np-view-is-the-conservative-party-of-canada-conservative-enough
As someone who voted Liberal in 2015, I may vote for Scheer in 2019.
I don't like how Trudeau is running up deficits.
His finance minister Bill Mourneau seems to promote neo liberal as opposed to actual Socially liberal policies all the while running up the national debt. So in reality is the worst of both. Socially regressive policies and poor fiscal management.
That someone like Scheer could apoeal to the other side says something for hom.
Evidently, Maxime Bernier's lack of sportsmanship folliwing his loss at the conservative leadership convention demonstrated why he would have been a bad choice for Tory party leader.
Trudeau, Scheer, and the rag head are all prog pieces of shit. We have the illusion of democracy in the country. We have no real choice.
However if Scheer is a more fiscally version of what you describe, then he may still be the better choice next time.
I hate fiscal conservatives. They are always progressives just like SB.
[size=150]Macron Surrenders on carbon taxes[/size]
The yellow vests have won. Macron first delayed the carbon taxes for six months, now he has abandoned them completely.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/12/06/macron-waves-the-white-flag-on-carbon-taxes-in-france/
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Finally, common sense defeats ideological symbolism. It won't happen in Canada though.
And the precedent is set.
ALL governments will now very carefully consider taxing us to pay for the global warming follies.
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ALL governments will now very carefully consider taxing us to pay for the global warming follies.
Not Trudeau. Not a chance.
If you guys got off your duffs, put on yellow vests, and hit the streets he'd turn to dishwater in a minute.
After all, you did it a few years back for a hockey match.
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After all, you did it a few years back for a hockey match.
Ya, we got our priorities straight don't we.
Clearly.
Macron's latest
"Let them use carpools" ...
OK, OK, not quite the exact phraseology, but the meaning of what he said is exact
That phrase is spiraling around France .. He will never get free of it "Laissez-les utiliser le covoiturage"
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"Let them use carpools"
OK, OK, not quite the exact phraseology, but the meaning of what he said is exact
What an asshole.
That he is
That phrase is spiraling around France .. He will never get free of it "Laissez-les utiliser le covoiturage"
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That phrase is spiraling around France .. He will never get free of it "Laissez-les utiliser le covoiturage"
He is really an elitist and out of touch with the average person in France. Justin Trudeau is too, but he gets away with it.
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That phrase is spiraling around France .. He will never get free of it "Laissez-les utiliser le covoiturage"
Our premier said something similar after she forced her punitive carbon tax on us.