Title: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: JOE on December 05, 2018, 06:55:55 PM
Post by: JOE on December 05, 2018, 06:55:55 PM
Canadian authorities have arrested the chief financial officer of Chinese tech giant Huawei Technologies in Vancouver, B.C.Quote
Wanzhou Meng, who also goes by Sabrina Meng, was arrested in Vancouver on Saturday, Dec. 1, Department of Justice Canada spokesperson Ian McLeod told Global News.
He said Meng faces extradition to the U.S., and that a bail hearing has been set for Friday.
"As there is a publication ban in effect, we cannot provide any further detail at this time," McLeod said. He added that the publication ban was sought by Meng.
Huawei has not responded to Global News' request for comment.
U.S. authorities have been probing Huawei's alleged shipping of American-origin products to Iran in violation of U.S. export and sanctions laws, sources told Reuters in April.
Meng, the 46-year-old daughter of Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei, has previously been suspected of involvement in Huawei's alleged ties to Iran.
In 2013, Reuters revealed that Meng served on the board of Skycom Tech, a Hong Kong-based firm that attempted to sell embargoed computer equipment to Iran's Mobile Telecommunication Co, in violation of trade sanctions.
At least 13 pages of a proposal to sell Hewlett-Packard computer equipment to Iran were marked "Huawei confidential."
Skycom was described by Huawei as one of its "major local partners," although the Chinese company said neither it nor Skycom ultimately provided the HP equipment.
Huawei said its relationship with Skycom was "a normal business partnership," and said its business in Iran was in compliance with all applicable laws and regulations.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2018, 07:08:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2018, 07:08:47 PM
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Bricktop on December 05, 2018, 08:02:28 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 05, 2018, 08:02:28 PM
It was banned here from bidding on an important networking project for the Australian government.
Like all things connected to the Chinese government, it cannot be trusted. China is a hostile nation, and the West needs to open it's damn eyes.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2018, 08:29:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2018, 08:29:07 PM
Huawei has close ties to the Chinese government.Quote from: "Bricktop"
It was banned here from bidding on an important networking project for the Australian government.
Like all things connected to the Chinese government, it cannot be trusted.China is a hostile nation, and the West needs to open it's damn eyes.
That is true Bricktop.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2018, 09:20:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2018, 09:20:53 PM
Huawei has close ties to the Chinese government.Quote from: "Bricktop"
It was banned here from bidding on an important networking project for the Australian government.
Like all things connected to the Chinese government, it cannot be trusted. China is a hostile nation, and the West needs to open it's damn eyes.
But, Russia is the West's enemy, not China.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Bricktop on December 05, 2018, 10:56:50 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 05, 2018, 10:56:50 PM
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2018, 11:47:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2018, 11:47:09 PM
We're more likely to have to shoot at China than Russia.Quote from: "Bricktop"
We'll blame Russia for China's actions.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: realgrimm on December 06, 2018, 12:26:16 AM
Post by: realgrimm on December 06, 2018, 12:26:16 AM
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2018, 12:34:11 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2018, 12:34:11 AM
I bought this cell for 20 bucks from Public Mobile, glad the monies have been going to a good causeQuote from: "realgrimm"
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Frood on December 06, 2018, 01:54:56 AM
Post by: Frood on December 06, 2018, 01:54:56 AM
Whether the embargo is righteous or not, countries can't legislate their rules abroad to other nations who don't agree.
So this woman suffers for no damn good reason.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: JOE on December 06, 2018, 04:51:32 AM
Post by: JOE on December 06, 2018, 04:51:32 AM
We demonize Russia, but China has been stealing billions of dollars of our intellectual property and buying off our politicians. Trudeau is Beijing's stooge.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Well it might possibly have to do with Russia's blatant attempts to meddle in the internal affairs of foreign nations. Its leader Vladimir Putin has been accused of trying to alter the election results of Western nations. Not just the United States but others like France.
Plus Putin sends his henchmen off to foreign lands to assassinate or poison Russian citizens who cross him and step out of line. Putin is an evil ruthless man who dors not reflect well upon his nation.
China may be guilty of similar transgressions but they are not so obvious in their activities
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: JOE on December 06, 2018, 04:57:37 AM
Post by: JOE on December 06, 2018, 04:57:37 AM
Why should she as a Chinese national be subject to what I believe, correct me if I'm wrong here, an embargo by Western aligned nations which China is not a part of?Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Whether the embargo is righteous or not, countries can't legislate their rules abroad to other nations who don't agree.
So this woman suffers for no damn good reason.
Its probably Canada's way with the USA in the background holding a big stick telling China & this high tech giant that they're putting the brakes on their activities & that they don't want a foreign corporation to get too powerful to the point where they can't control them anymore.
Im sure the USA has a role in this latest event.
Perhaps Canada us just doing what the US authorities had asked them to
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2018, 08:47:43 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2018, 08:47:43 AM
We demonize Russia, but China has been stealing billions of dollars of our intellectual property and buying off our politicians. Trudeau is Beijing's stooge.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Well it might possibly have to do with Russia's blatant attempts to meddle in the internal affairs of foreign nations. Its leader Vladimir Putin has been accused of trying to alter the election results of Western nations. Not just the United States but others like France.
Plus Putin sends his henchmen off to foreign lands to assassinate or poison Russian citizens who cross him and step out of line. Putin is an evil ruthless man who dors not reflect well upon his nation.
China may be guilty of similar transgressions but they are not so obvious in their activities
China uses it's wealth, influence, and diaspora to interfere in the internal affairs and elections of foreign nations..
Russia doesn't have that option.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2018, 08:49:49 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2018, 08:49:49 AM
Why should she as a Chinese national be subject to what I believe, correct me if I'm wrong here, an embargo by Western aligned nations which China is not a part of?Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Whether the embargo is righteous or not, countries can't legislate their rules abroad to other nations who don't agree.
So this woman suffers for no damn good reason.
I'm not sure about that.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Gaon on December 06, 2018, 02:53:08 PM
Post by: Gaon on December 06, 2018, 02:53:08 PM
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: cc on December 06, 2018, 04:33:12 PM
Post by: cc on December 06, 2018, 04:33:12 PM
Huawei Technologies' chief financial officer Meng Wanzhou was arrested Saturday in Canada and faces extradition to the U.S. Meng was taken into custody on behalf of the U.S. while she was transferring flights in Vancouver, the tech company said.
Chinese officials on Thursday blasted Meng's arrest — but experts warn more forceful actions, including the possibility of tit-for-tat detentions of high-profile citizens, could be coming.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Bricktop on December 06, 2018, 05:41:55 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 06, 2018, 05:41:55 PM
Why should she as a Chinese national be subject to what I believe, correct me if I'm wrong here, an embargo by Western aligned nations which China is not a part of?Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Whether the embargo is righteous or not, countries can't legislate their rules abroad to other nations who don't agree.
So this woman suffers for no damn good reason.
"U.S. authorities have been probing Huawei's alleged shipping of American-origin products to Iran in violation of U.S. export and sanctions laws, sources told Reuters in April."
This would be an offence in the USA. Therefore a warrant for her arrest could be issued, and as Canada has an extradition treaty with America she can legally be detained in Canada and extradited to the US, if the Canadian judge accepts that she has a case to answer.
If the judge determines there is no case to answer, then she is released.
And while China protests and jumps up and down in indignation, it should be remembered it has quite a history of arresting foreign nationals engaging in business in China. Freud apparently has forgotten the recent arrest of Australian nationals in China.
And of course, China is a pillar of human rights recognition.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2018, 10:34:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2018, 10:34:38 PM
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: JOE on December 07, 2018, 12:14:18 PM
Post by: JOE on December 07, 2018, 12:14:18 PM
The prime minister's office has been insistent it was an independent legal decision to arrest her and they had nothing to do with it.Quote from: "Fashionista"
Unless Canada presents a clear case against the woman, she should be released.
Chinese authorities have emphasized that she has not been given due process and I think theyre right.
If Canada extradites her to the USA just because they demand it then we look like a puppet of the United States & our Prime Minister looks very weak.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 02:00:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 02:00:38 PM
OTTAWA — Canada's Department of Justice, through its International Assistance Group, helps Canadian and foreign police and prosecutors by extraditing people to face prosecution or sentencing in the country in which they are charged or convicted.
The Extradition Act provides Ottawa with the legal basis to extradite individuals located in Canada who are sought by an extradition partner. Those partners include:
Countries, such as the United States, with which Canada has an extradition agreement (a bilateral treaty or a multilateral convention);
Countries with which Canada has entered into a case-specific agreement; or
Countries or international courts whose names appear in the schedule to the Extradition Act.
In all cases, the conduct for which extradition is sought must be considered criminal in both the requesting country and in Canada.
There are three key stages to the Canadian extradition process.
First, Justice Minister Jody Wilson-raybould must determine whether to authorize the start of extradition proceedings in the Canadian courts by issuing what's known as an "Authority to Proceed."
Once an Authority to Proceed has been issued, the Canadian courts must determine whether there is sufficient evidence to justify the person's committal for extradition. When someone is committed for extradition, the justice minister must personally decide whether to order the person's surrender to the foreign state.
Someone sought for extradition may appeal their committal and seek judicial review of the minister's surrender order — a process that can play out for months or even years in the courts.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: JOE on December 07, 2018, 02:06:43 PM
Post by: JOE on December 07, 2018, 02:06:43 PM
Canada's extradition process explained
OTTAWA — Canada's Department of Justice, through its International Assistance Group, helps Canadian and foreign police and prosecutors by extraditing people to face prosecution or sentencing in the country in which they are charged or convicted.
The Extradition Act provides Ottawa with the legal basis to extradite individuals located in Canada who are sought by an extradition partner. Those partners include:
Countries, such as the United States, with which Canada has an extradition agreement (a bilateral treaty or a multilateral convention);
Countries with which Canada has entered into a case-specific agreement; or
Countries or international courts whose names appear in the schedule to the Extradition Act.
In all cases, the conduct for which extradition is sought must be considered criminal in both the requesting country and in Canada.
There are three key stages to the Canadian extradition process.
First, Justice Minister Jody Wilson-raybould must determine whether to authorize the start of extradition proceedings in the Canadian courts by issuing what's known as an "Authority to Proceed."
Once an Authority to Proceed has been issued, the Canadian courts must determine whether there is sufficient evidence to justify the person's committal for extradition. When someone is committed for extradition, the justice minister must personally decide whether to order the person's surrender to the foreign state.
Someone sought for extradition may appeal their committal and seek judicial review of the minister's surrender order — a process that can play out for months or even years in the courts.
Yeah but what precisely are the charges against this woman?
Did she break any Canadian laws?
If not, then she should be released and allowed to return to China
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Bricktop on December 07, 2018, 05:17:48 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 07, 2018, 05:17:48 PM
Yeah but what precisely are the charges against this woman?
Did she break any Canadian laws?
If not, then she should be released and allowed to return to China
She is alleged to have made false statements to the US in regards to the bona fides of one of their subsidiaries. This is an offence.
She does not have to break Canadian laws to be arrested, where the US has an extradition treaty in place with Canada and an arrest warrant has been issued.
A Canadian judge hears the argument from Canadian attorneys briefed by the US as to the nature of the offences alleged and that the person in custody is the person that is accused of committing the crimes. He or she then orders extradition to the US.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 06:34:15 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 06:34:15 PM
Yeah but what precisely are the charges against this woman?
Did she break any Canadian laws?
If not, then she should be released and allowed to return to China//https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46490053
She is alleged to have made false statements to the US in regards to the bona fides of one of their subsidiaries. This is an offence.
She does not have to break Canadian laws to be arrested, where the US has an extradition treaty in place with Canada and an arrest warrant has been issued.
A Canadian judge hears the argument from Canadian attorneys briefed by the US as to the nature of the offences alleged and that the person in custody is the person that is accused of committing the crimes. He or she then orders extradition to the US.
She is wanted by the USA on Iran fraud charges..
I remember China once not that long ago, Peking asked Canada to do the same for a business person they wanted arrested.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: cc on December 07, 2018, 08:07:27 PM
Post by: cc on December 07, 2018, 08:07:27 PM
Did she break any Canadian laws?Quote
Goof troll material, but Totally MOOT in the real world!!
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: cc on December 07, 2018, 09:19:19 PM
Post by: cc on December 07, 2018, 09:19:19 PM
"I obviously note that the United States is encouraging western allies to essentially push Huawei out of the emerging 5G network and my personal view is that that is something western countries should be doing in terms of our own long-term security issues," Harper said in an interview.
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Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: JOE on December 07, 2018, 09:56:55 PM
Post by: JOE on December 07, 2018, 09:56:55 PM
Did she break any Canadian laws?Quote
Goof troll material, but Totally MOOT in the real world!!
Canada should not be required to do America 's bidding/dirty work.
If America has a problem with China they should arrest, chase after & detain her themselves.
Lately the USA had treated Canadian citizens like shit - ie the Guy who received a lifetime ban from entering the USA for merely trading pot stocks.
America shakes a big stick & rails against supposed lawbreakers and then turns around & does whatever it wants.
This is America 's problem not ours.
They should fuck off.
The Huawei ceo should be released & allowed to go home.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 11:23:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 11:23:00 PM
Did she break any Canadian laws?Quote
Goof troll material, but Totally MOOT in the real world!!
I ignore Joe, so I only see his attention whoring nonsense if someone quotes it. Thanks for not doing that.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: JOE on December 08, 2018, 01:11:51 AM
Post by: JOE on December 08, 2018, 01:11:51 AM
Did she break any Canadian laws?Quote
Goof troll material, but Totally MOOT in the real world!!
I ignore Joe, so I only see his attention whoring nonsense if someone quotes it. Thanks for not doing that.:laugh3:
You put people on ignore because youre a typically closeminded narrowminded korean numbskull.
This situation was blown out of proportion and the approach by the USA revealed their ineptitude & that of the Trump administration.
Thats why we have world trade bodies, trade agreements & international courts if law, so nations dont have to resort to kidnapping/detaining other nations ceos.
This is taking a step back, the USA didnt handle this situation very well at all.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Bricktop on December 08, 2018, 01:19:40 AM
Post by: Bricktop on December 08, 2018, 01:19:40 AM
Did she break any Canadian laws?Quote
Goof troll material, but Totally MOOT in the real world!!
Canada should not be required to do America 's bidding/dirty work.
If America has a problem with China they should arrest, chase after & detain her themselves.
Lately the USA had treated Canadian citizens like shit - ie the Guy who received a lifetime ban from entering the USA for merely trading pot stocks.
America shakes a big stick & rails against supposed lawbreakers and then turns around & does whatever it wants.
This is America 's problem not ours.
They should fuck off.
The Huawei ceo should be released & allowed to go home.
Your idiocy never fails to raise a smile.
Without extradition treaties, criminals would be free to commit a crime in Canada, and then take a single step over the American border and be beyond Canada's reach.
By the way, Joe...extradition treaties also allow nations to seek extradition of other nation's citizens. If an American committed a crime in Canada and legs it back across the border, the existence of an extradition treaty means that Canada can ask the US to transport him to Canada for judicial process.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2018, 01:29:13 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2018, 01:29:13 AM
Did she break any Canadian laws?Quote
Goof troll material, but Totally MOOT in the real world!!
Canada should not be required to do America 's bidding/dirty work.
If America has a problem with China they should arrest, chase after & detain her themselves.
Lately the USA had treated Canadian citizens like shit - ie the Guy who received a lifetime ban from entering the USA for merely trading pot stocks.
America shakes a big stick & rails against supposed lawbreakers and then turns around & does whatever it wants.
This is America 's problem not ours.
They should fuck off.
The Huawei ceo should be released & allowed to go home.
Your idiocy never fails to raise a smile.
Without extradition treaties, criminals would be free to commit a crime in Canada, and then take a single step over the American border and be beyond Canada's reach.
By the way, Joe...extradition treaties also allow nations to seek extradition of other nation's citizens. If an American committed a crime in Canada and legs it back across the border, the existence of an extradition treaty means that Canada can ask the US to transport him to Canada for judicial process.
In these discussions, JOE doesn't read what people write.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Bricktop on December 08, 2018, 01:33:04 AM
Post by: Bricktop on December 08, 2018, 01:33:04 AM
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: JOE on December 08, 2018, 01:46:22 AM
Post by: JOE on December 08, 2018, 01:46:22 AM
Did she break any Canadian laws?Quote
Goof troll material, but Totally MOOT in the real world!!
Canada should not be required to do America 's bidding/dirty work.
If America has a problem with China they should arrest, chase after & detain her themselves.
Lately the USA had treated Canadian citizens like shit - ie the Guy who received a lifetime ban from entering the USA for merely trading pot stocks.
America shakes a big stick & rails against supposed lawbreakers and then turns around & does whatever it wants.
This is America 's problem not ours.
They should fuck off.
The Huawei ceo should be released & allowed to go home.
Your idiocy never fails to raise a smile.
Without extradition treaties, criminals would be free to commit a crime in Canada, and then take a single step over the American border and be beyond Canada's reach.
By the way, Joe...extradition treaties also allow nations to seek extradition of other nation's citizens. If an American committed a crime in Canada and legs it back across the border, the existence of an extradition treaty means that Canada can ask the US to transport him to Canada for judicial process.
But what is the 'crime' here? Even after the hearing in a Vancouver court room, the allegations seem quite nebulous
Even American newspapers have stated that this incident has more to do with a trade war & icy Chinese American relations than an actual crime.
This matter should go into an International court and the charges against Huawei made public. And if it happens to be multiple plaintiffs then they should come forward too.
Does anyone honestly think for one minute that this woman would receive a fair trial in the United States?
Or is fairness and due process something the Americans dont care about?
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Bricktop on December 08, 2018, 04:40:16 AM
Post by: Bricktop on December 08, 2018, 04:40:16 AM
She has been accused in the US. Canadian judges will determine if the accusations warrant extradition, and then the matter is out of your hands.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2018, 01:18:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2018, 01:18:54 PM
In an interview with Fox News, former Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper said that he supports American efforts to persuade its western allies, including Canada, to ban Huawei from emerging 5G networks.
"I obviously note that the United States is encouraging western allies to essentially push Huawei out of the emerging 5G network and my personal view is that that is something western countries should be doing in terms of our own long-term security issues," Harper said in an interview.
The former prime minister wouldn't comment on Canada's Dec. 1 arrest of Huawei chief financial officer Meng Wanzhou at the request of American law-enforcement officials, though he did say that Chinese tech giants Huawei and ZTE are tightly tied to the Chinese security apparatus, "and we think there are some real serious issues there."
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Thursday he knew in advance of the pending arrest in Canada, but that there was no political involvement in the decision to detain Meng.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Bricktop on December 08, 2018, 05:37:47 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 08, 2018, 05:37:47 PM
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Zetsu on December 08, 2018, 06:48:12 PM
Post by: Zetsu on December 08, 2018, 06:48:12 PM
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Vancouver on December 09, 2018, 01:28:30 AM
Post by: Vancouver on December 09, 2018, 01:28:30 AM
China has warned Canada there would be severe consequences if it did not immediately release Huawei's chief financial officer, calling the case "extremely nasty".
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Chuck Bronson on December 09, 2018, 01:34:22 AM
Post by: Chuck Bronson on December 09, 2018, 01:34:22 AM
Ain't 'globalization' a beautiful thing?
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: cc on December 09, 2018, 11:19:07 AM
Post by: cc on December 09, 2018, 11:19:07 AM
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: cc on December 09, 2018, 01:58:42 PM
Post by: cc on December 09, 2018, 01:58:42 PM
Did she break any Canadian laws?Quote
Goof troll material, but Totally MOOT in the real world!!
I ignore Joe, so I only see his attention whoring nonsense if someone quotes it. Thanks for not doing that.:laugh3:
I keep him on ignore also and found it the very same way
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Gaon on December 09, 2018, 02:01:12 PM
Post by: Gaon on December 09, 2018, 02:01:12 PM
China threatens Canada with 'grave consequences'Quote from: "TheVancouverGuy"
China has warned Canada there would be severe consequences if it did not immediately release Huawei's chief financial officer, calling the case "extremely nasty".https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/2018/dec/09/china-threatens-canada-with-grave-consequences-if-huawei-cfo-not-freed?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Ftechnology%2F2018%2Fdec%2F09%2Fchina-threatens-canada-with-grave-consequences-if-huawei-cfo-not-freed
Hopefully, it's an empty threat.
Title: Re: Huwawei's CEO arrested in Vancouver
Post by: Bricktop on December 09, 2018, 05:25:12 PM
Post by: Bricktop on December 09, 2018, 05:25:12 PM
We have a tendency in the West to overrate our adversaries...our politicians find it convenient to heighten our fears.