2 already come to mind - Islam & Judaism.
These aren't really faiths, but political ideologies which promote a specific agenda to enhance their financial and territorial interests.
The others are American Evangelical Christian movements, whoch are essentially fronts for US Military expansionism.
Sorry if this view offends anyone here.
Feel free to disagree, its just a POV thats all
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These aren't really faiths, but political ideologies which promote a specific agenda to enhance their financial and territorial interests.
The others are American Evangelical Christian movements, whoch are essentially fronts for US Military expansionism.
Sorry if this view offends anyone here.
Feel free to disagree, its just a POV thats all
I am an ethnic Jew, but I don't believe in God. I hate the Haredim. They are lazy, and have too much power in Israel. They are also breed like rats.
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These aren't really faiths, but political ideologies which promote a specific agenda to enhance their financial and territorial interests.
The
Sorry if this view offends anyone here.
Feel free to disagree, its just a POV thats all
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These aren't really faiths, but political ideologies which promote a specific agenda to enhance their financial and territorial interests.
The
Sorry if this view offends anyone here.
Feel free to disagree, its just a POV thats all
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Joe's sorry he didn't offend you. He tries so hard. Oh well, he gets an E for effort. :laugh3:
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These aren't really faiths, but political ideologies which promote a specific agenda to enhance their financial and territorial interests.
The
Sorry if this view offends anyone here.
Feel free to disagree, its just a POV thats all
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Well laugh if you might Fashionista.
But I went to see Franklin Graham speak when he was in Vancouver.
He is the son of the late Billy Graham.
While his father advocated military non intervention and peace, Franklin Graham supported George W Bush's invasion of Iraq. And his organization's missions To the Middle East reeked of US military imperialism.
Needless to say I was not impressed with Billy Graham 's son.
I don't believe that Billy Graham himself supported the invasion if Iraq or for that matter any war.
So I've come to the conclusion that Franklin Graham's organization is not really a religious one, but political.
That has strayed dramatically from the principles which Billy Graham advocated
SB is right, this is just a joe troll thread trying to get at fash. Joe fails miserably again.
But just so the record is set straight--
1. Islam is a religion with specific goals of miliary like conquest, expansion and control, not Christianity nor Judaism.
2. Imperialism is conquest with the goal of permanent control of other countries, not ousting regimes and then giving autonomy back.
3. Naming one christian and expanding that person to represent all is cherry picking and broad overgeneralization.
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But just so the record is set straight--
Islam is a religion with specific goals of miliary like conquest, expansion and control, not Christianity nor Judaism.
Actually I've come to a consenus with you and others here that Islam is essentially a political movement.
What we don't appear to agree on is they are not the only one.
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But just so the record is set straight--
Islam is a religion with specific goals of military like conquest, expansion and control, not Christianity nor Judaism.
I view religion as man made..
Christianity is a relationship with God through Jesus Christ....things like the judiciary and certainly international affairs are for man made ideologies..
We take guidance from a higher power than Generals, presidents, or popes.
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What else is new?
Problem is that attention whoring troll gets reactions, thus encouraging him further
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What else is new?
Problem is that attention whoring troll gets reactions, thus encouraging him further
Do you think so? These kind of threads, either here on VF do not seem to get much attention.
True in that they are generally not very active.
I'm referring to his trolling in general including posts in good threads
And they do get some reactions
The Chinese being held for possible extradition being classic joeshit
He's like mel, rw and scouse .. Continues until others go to sleep with boredom
or figure out what they are up to > "Last post wins"!!
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I'm referring to his trolling in general including posts in good threads
And they do get some reactions
The Chinese being held for possible extradition being classic joeshit
He's like mel, rw and scouse .. Continues until others go to sleep with boredom
or figure out what he's up to >
Yes, seems that way.
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These aren't really faiths, but political ideologies which promote a specific agenda to enhance their financial and territorial interests.
The
Sorry if this view offends anyone here.
Feel free to disagree, its just a POV thats all
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Joe's sorry he didn't offend you. He tries so hard. Oh well, he gets an E for effort. :laugh3:
Attention whoring seems to be a common trait among guys who aint getting any tail.
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I am an ethnic Jew.
Interesting.
That implies that judaism is a race, not a religion.
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I am an ethnic Jew.
Interesting.
That implies that judaism is a race, not a religion.
Isn't Askenazi an ethnicity.
The implication of Gaon's comment is that if you are born an Askenazi, you intrinsically follow the Jewish faith.
An interesting perspective. Born with a belief system built in.
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An interesting perspective. Born with a belief system built in.
I got the exact opposite from what he posted.
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These aren't really faiths, but political ideologies which promote a specific agenda to enhance their financial and territorial interests.
The others are American Evangelical Christian movements, whoch are essentially fronts for US Military expansionism.
Sorry if this view offends anyone here.
Feel free to disagree, its just a POV thats all
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A clueless dork, ain't he?
WASP - White Anglo-Saxon Protestants have nothing to worry about.
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JOE wants attention.
I dont even go to church now..
Not living a very christian life.
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Not living a very christian life.
Most people in Western nations are not go to church.
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Not living a very christian life.
Most people in Western nations are not go to church.
This area wasnt that religious even a hundred years ago.
We were more into the pagan sami/nordic religions.
There were husbands and wives but they werent married in the eyes of the god.
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Not living a very christian life.
Most people in Western nations are not go to church.
This area wasnt that religious even a hundred years ago.
We were more into the pagan sami/nordic religions.
There were husbands and wives but they werent married in the eyes of the god.
Real Christianity has been a small minority in Europe for a long time.
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Not living a very christian life.
Most people in Western nations are not go to church.
This area wasnt that religious even a hundred years ago.
We were more into the pagan sami/nordic religions.
There were husbands and wives but they werent married in the eyes of the god.
Real Christianity has been a small minority in Europe for a long time.
What is real christianity?
Catholicism?
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Not living a very christian life.
Most people in Western nations are not go to church.
This area wasnt that religious even a hundred years ago.
We were more into the pagan sami/nordic religions.
There were husbands and wives but they werent married in the eyes of the god.
Real Christianity has been a small minority in Europe for a long time.
What is real christianity?
Catholicism?
Not even close..
Mainline protestant churches and the church of Rome are Christian in name only.
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Not living a very christian life.
Most people in Western nations are not go to church.
This area wasnt that religious even a hundred years ago.
We were more into the pagan sami/nordic religions.
There were husbands and wives but they werent married in the eyes of the god.
Real Christianity has been a small minority in Europe for a long time.
What is real christianity?
Catholicism?
Not even close..
Mainline protestant churches and the church of Rome are Christian in name only.
But what it is your church does that is so different from your regular protestant church?
No visible church or denomination is the true church, because the bride of Christ is not an institution, but is instead a spiritual entity made up of those who have by grace through faith been brought into a close, intimate relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8–9)..
Those people, no matter which building, denomination, or country they happen to be in, constitute the true church.
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Those people, no matter which building, denomination, or country they happen to be in, constitute the true church.
But you do have a building where you all gather for sermons?
And a guy who does all the talking in a sermon?
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Those people, no matter which building, denomination, or country they happen to be in, constitute the true church.
But you do have a building where you all gather for sermons?
And a guy who does all the talking in a sermon?
I think you misunderstand Odinson..
I mean the true body of Christ is not the building or the name of the denomination outside..
We rent rent a building where we fellowship, but that structure is not what makes us believers.
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Those people, no matter which building, denomination, or country they happen to be in, constitute the true church.
But you do have a building where you all gather for sermons?
And a guy who does all the talking in a sermon?
I think you misunderstand Odinson..
I mean the true body of Christ is not the building or the name of the denomination outside..
We rent rent a building where we fellowship, but that structure is not what makes us believers.
I was implying that many protestants dont think of the church as anything but a place to go to pray.
Catholicism has always been about "gods voices on earth", trinkets and buildings.
They worship the pope.
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Those people, no matter which building, denomination, or country they happen to be in, constitute the true church.
But you do have a building where you all gather for sermons?
And a guy who does all the talking in a sermon?
I think you misunderstand Odinson..
I mean the true body of Christ is not the building or the name of the denomination outside..
We rent rent a building where we fellowship, but that structure is not what makes us believers.
I was implying that many protestants dont think of the church as anything but a place to go to pray.
Catholicism has always been about "gods voices on earth", trinkets and buildings.
They worship the pope.
That's because neither mainline protestantism or catholicism are in the body of Christ..
Both are man made social organizations.
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I am an ethnic Jew.
Interesting.
That implies that judaism is a race, not a religion.
In my case it is. I consider myself a Russian Israeli. I am a nationalist, but I hate the special treatment the haredim get. They don't work, they don't serve in the army and the lazy bastards pull the strings on the knesset. On top of this, they have huge families.
Israel, should drop the outdated Law of Return and the fake conversions that go along with it just so people in places like Colombia and Sudan can get Israeli citizenship. If we get rid of the Law of Return and the religious aspects around it, we can become a secular nation with immigration policies that meet the interests of the nation. And if the chief rabbinate don't like it, they can go get real jobs like real Israelis.
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I am an ethnic Jew.
Interesting.
That implies that judaism is a race, not a religion.
In my case it is. I consider myself a Russian Israeli. I am a nationalist, but I hate the special treatment the haredim get. They don't work, they don't serve in the army and the lazy bastards pull the strings on the knesset. On top of this, they have huge families.
Israel, should drop the outdated Law of Return and the fake conversions that go along with it just so people in places like
What do you mean Gaon?
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I am an ethnic Jew.
Interesting.
That implies that judaism is a race, not a religion.
In my case it is. I consider myself a Russian Israeli. I am a nationalist, but I hate the special treatment the haredim get. They don't work, they don't serve in the army and the lazy bastards pull the strings on the knesset. On top of this, they have huge families.
Israel, should drop the outdated Law of Return and the fake conversions that go along with it just so people in places like
What do you mean Gaon?
For example, in my city we had a sizable Spanish speaking community. They buy fake conversion certificates or ketubahs to make aliyah and then they are eligible for all the services Israel provides to new immigrants. What kind of a country offers financial incentives to liars and cheats.
The Law of Return is not sustainable.
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In my case it is. I consider myself a Russian Israeli.
But are you a jew?
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In my case it is. I consider myself a Russian Israeli.
But are you a jew?
I get your point.
I was able to immigrate to Israel because of the Law of Return, but I want it scrapped. It encourages abuse and I gave the example with South Americans.
Yes.
But the question is "are you a jew"?
I ask not through any anti semitic silliness...but as a genuine enquiry. Is being Jewish a matter of birthright, nationality, or freedom of choice?
I would never convert to Joeism.
The dogma is silly, the rituals boring, and the gold-and-purple silk pantaloons clash with my complexion.
And who the hell has Playboy magazine and DC Comics as their Holy Scriptures?
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The dogma is silly, the rituals boring, and the gold-and-purple silk pantaloons clash with my complexion.
And who the hell has Playboy magazine and DC Comics as their Holy Scriptures?
Saint JOE does.
:laugh:
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But the question is "are you a jew"?
I ask not through any anti semitic silliness...but as a genuine enquiry. Is being Jewish a matter of birthright, nationality, or freedom of choice?
According to the Law of Return, most of the of the above.
I consider myself a Russian Israeli. Jewish has very little meaning. And I really detest the haredim.
So you keep saying. I do not know what the haredim are.
Nonetheless, you seem disinclined to answer, and that's fine. It's a private issue after all.
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Nonetheless, you seem disinclined to answer, and that's fine. It's a private issue after all.
He answered it....he's not religiously Jewish anymore than you are Christian.
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Nonetheless, you seem disinclined to answer, and that's fine. It's a private issue after all.
The haredim are ultra orthodox. They are social leeches.
I thought I made it clear that I am not religious, therefore not a practicing or even a believing Jew. I am however, ethnically an Ashkenazi Russian.
So, you are not Jewish...given that judaism is a religion.
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I am not religious. I am an Ashkenazi.