Title: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 02:13:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 02:13:59 PM
From Sun News Media
When will Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and environment Minister Catherine Mckenna end the fiction that Canada is meeting its commitments to reduce industrial greenhouse gas emissions they made to the united Nations?
The UN's ninth annual emissions gap report released Tuesday says Canada, responsible for 1.6% of global emissions, isn't on track to meet its 2020 or 2030 targets.
Meanwhile, global emissions are rising — to a record 53.5 billion tonnes last year.
The report says even if every nation that signed the UN's Paris climate accord in 2015 met its commitments, it will not stop global temperatures from rising above the UN's targets.
To hold the global temperature increase to the upper limit of 2C, countries will have to triple their current efforts to cut emissions, while keeping them to 1.5C requires five times the effort. Both require higher carbon taxes.
The emissions gap report is the second time the UN has said neither Canada nor the global community are meeting their Paris commitments.
It joins earlier, similar findings with regard to Canada's performance by the environmental commissioner and provincial auditors general from nine of 10 provinces, and from the federal government's own assessments.
Given that global emissions are rising and Canada isn't meeting its UN commitments (our emissions fell 1.4% in 2016, the last year for which figures are available), a critical question arises for Canada's federal and provincial governments.
President Donald Trump has rejected the findings of a recent study produced by 13 U.S. federal agencies warning that the impacts of climate change are already being felt and will increase, saying he doesn't find it credible.
Yet America reduced emissions by 2.7% for its largest industrial emitters last year, albeit not recognized by the UN because of Trump's withdrawal from the Paris accord.
This was achieved largely by replacing coal-fired power plants with less expensive natural gas, which burns at half the carbon intensity of coal, huge reserves of which have been freed up by fracking.
And without a national carbon tax, but through technological innovation and market forces.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 02:50:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 02:50:18 PM
How much more money will Canadians have to pay through carbon pricingQuote
This is what average families like mine want to know, but neither our premier nor the prime minister want to answer.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 03:59:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 03:59:03 PM
How much more money will Canadians have to pay through carbon pricingQuote
This is what average families like mine want to know, but neither our premier nor the prime minister want to answer.
Get used to it kid, it goes up every year to fifty bucks a tonne by 2022. And that is just the opening act. The IPCC will issue an even more dire sky is falling prediction and Justine who will still be in office then will double down on the rip off and triple(minimum) the vig payment
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 09:22:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 09:22:10 PM
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 10:10:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 10:10:07 PM
How dare you deniers question emperor True Dope.Quote from: "Shen Li"
Forgive us.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Odinson on December 07, 2018, 11:41:50 PM
Post by: Odinson on December 07, 2018, 11:41:50 PM
They buy less stuff.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 11:43:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 11:43:27 PM
Any kind of raise in taxes lowers the average homes consumer power..Quote from: "Odinson"
They buy less stuff.
Tell that to Justin Trudeau, because he doesn't listen to people in this country.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Odinson on December 07, 2018, 11:50:29 PM
Post by: Odinson on December 07, 2018, 11:50:29 PM
Any kind of raise in taxes lowers the average homes consumer power..Quote from: "Odinson"
They buy less stuff.
Tell that to Justin Trudeau, because he doesn't listen to people in this country.
Maybe his intent is that people downsize their domestic vehicles..
A V6 is a gas guzzler compared to your average domestic car in europe.
And that people would try to avoid any excess motoring.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 11:55:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2018, 11:55:11 PM
Any kind of raise in taxes lowers the average homes consumer power..Quote from: "Odinson"
They buy less stuff.
Tell that to Justin Trudeau, because he doesn't listen to people in this country.
Maybe his intent is that people downsize their domestic vehicles..
A V6 is a gas guzzler compared to your average domestic car in europe.
And that people would try to avoid any excess motoring.
His intent is to be popular with the UN..
And if it causes mass job losses and poverty among average families, so be it.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on December 09, 2018, 06:15:22 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 09, 2018, 06:15:22 PM
TORONTO — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's accusation Ontario Premier Doug Ford is "moving the goalposts ... (a) step backwards" on the province's industrial greenhouse gas emission targets is laughable, given the Liberals' sorry history on this issue.
To say nothing of hypocritical. First, a brief explanation of why this controversy about "goalposts" erupted at Friday's first ministers' meeting.
Ford accused Trudeau and Environment Minister Catherine Mckenna of "moving the goalposts" on Ontario because they rejected his plan to reduce the province's emissions to 30% below 2005 levels by 2030, which is Trudeau's national standard for all of Canada.
They responded Ford moved the goalposts because he scrapped former Ontario Liberal premier Kathleen Wynne's cap-and-trade scheme, intended to lower provincial emissions to 37% below 1990 levels by 2030, a deeper cut.
Trudeau was relying on Ontario's plan under his Liberal ally, Wynne, to meet his national standard of a 30% cut below 2005 emissions by 2030, because other provinces whose climate change plans he accepted will not achieve that target.
Ford argued Trudeau and Mckenna are undermining Ontario's economy by demanding it achieve deeper cuts than other provinces, despite his pledge to meet Trudeau's national standard without a carbon tax.
Trudeau and Mckenna countered Ford was playing games with the numbers.
That criticism is especially hypocritical given that federal Liberal governments have been moving their goalposts backward and playing games with their emission targets for a quarter century.
In the 1993 election which brought Jean Chretien and the Liberals to power, he promised to reduce Canada's emission to 20% below 1988 levels by 2005.
That meant our emissions under the Liberals in 2005, should have been 470 megatonnes annually (a megatonne, or Mt, represents one million tonnes).
In fact, they were 732 Mt, a staggering 56% above Chretien's 1993 target, a huge backward step.
But long before 2005, Chretien moved the goalposts even further away from his 1993 election promise.
In 1998, he signed the United Nations' Kyoto accord with a far less stringent target for Canada of reducing our emissions to an average of 6% below 1990 levels between 2008 and 2012.
That meant Canada's emissions should have been an average of 567 Mt annually between 2008 and 2012.
When Paul Martin, having succeeded Chretien as PM in 2004, was defeated by Stephen Harper and the Conservatives in 2006, Canada's emissions were 723 Mt, or 28% above Chretien's 2008 to 2012 Kyoto target.
That made it impossible for Harper to achieve within two years, without causing a massive recession.
But the Liberals weren't done moving the goalposts back once again when they returned to power under Trudeau in the 2015 election.
As Liberal leader, Trudeau denounced as inadequate the less stringent targets Harper announced in 2015 — 17% below 2005 emissions by 2020, 30% below by 2030, both backward steps from Chretien's abandoned commitment to the Kyoto accord, which Harper scrapped.
But after the election, Trudeau reversed field and adopted Harper's targets and committed to fulfilling them under the UN'S Paris climate accord.
Trudeau's target means Canada's emissions in 2020 should be 608 Mt annually.
Our emissions for 2016, the last year for which figures are available, are 704 Mt annually.
This means Trudeau has to cut our emissions by 96 Mt annually, or 14%, within two years, the equivalent of shutting down Canada's entire electricity sector (79 Mt annually) and still falling 17 Mt short.
That's impossible.
To meet Trudeau's 2030 target, Canada will have to cut emissions by 192 Mt annually within 12 years, the equivalent of shutting down Canada's entire oil and gas sector (189.5 Mt annually). That's impossible.
To meet the latest UN targets which are much more onerous than those in the Paris accord — 45% below 2010 emissions by 2030 — Canada will have to lower its annual emissions to 382 Mt within 12 years, or by 322 Mt.
To achieve that, Canada will have to shut down the equivalent of its entire oil and gas sector (189.5 Mt annually), plus 76.6% of its transportation sector (132.5 Mt annually) by 2030.
That's ridiculous.
The Liberals first under Chretien, then under Paul Martin and now under Trudeau, have been moving their goal posts backwards for 25 years, missing every emission target they set.
So did the Conservatives — Brian Mulroney made the same commitment in 1988 that Chretien copied in 1993, and that Harper backtracked on in 2015.
But the Conservatives aren't the ones accusing Ford of moving the goalposts backwards now.
Given that Trudeau, Mckenna and Liberal governments have been doing that for 25 years, it's amazing they can keep a straight face.
Especially since Trudeau's carbon tax/price we're going to be paying won't meet his emission targets, yet again.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2019, 11:26:47 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2019, 11:26:47 AM
I want you to explain why, when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Principal Secretary Gerald Butts, and Environment Minister Catherine Mckenna spew nonsense about carbon pricing that is completely misleading, you don't call them on it? Why do you let them get away with prattling on like carnival barkers, while you mock Scheer and Ford? Trudeau and Co. continue to insist they're on track to meet Trudeau's emission reduction targets (which used to be Stephen Harper's) that Trudeau agreed to in the 2015 Paris climate accord.
No credible body believes this — not the United Nations, which has said so twice, not the federal environment commissioner, not nine provincial auditors general, not the federal government's own studies.
Why don't you mock Trudeau and Co. about that?
Why, given that, to be effective, Canada's national carbon price would have to be in the $100 to $200 per tonne range today — which the Trudeau government knows — aren't you demanding answers from Trudeau on what will happen to his carbon price after it reaches $50 per tonne in 2022 (this year it's $20), if he wins the Oct. 19 federal election?
Here are some other questions you aren't asking Trudeau and Co.
If Trudeau's revenue neutral carbon tax is such an obviously great idea that anyone smarter than Ford understands it, why did Trudeau approve provincial carbon pricing plans in Ontario (under the Liberals) and Alberta (under the NDP), to name just two, that weren't revenue neutral?
If, as Trudeau says, man-made, excuse me, I mean "peoplemade", climate change poses an imminent, existential threat to humanity, why didn't Trudeau bring in a national, revenue-neutral carbon tax, instead of the ineffective hodgepodge of provincial and federal plans he's created?
Trudeau and Co. are getting away with talking utter nonsense on this file and the people who know it are letting him, apparently because they believe an ineffective Liberal plan is better than nothing.
Shilling for the Liberals is not serving the interests of Canadians.
Butts tweeted this week that Ford's views on a carbon tax causing a recession are so dumb, it's as if he believes the moon is made of blue cheese.
In his last job as head of the World Wildlife Fund, Canada, Butts called for shutting down Canada's carbon-based energy industry by 2050.
That's so dumb, it's as if he believes energy comes from unicorn farts.
More importantly, when someone with that view in his last job has major influence over Canada's energy and taxation policies, it's time to start mocking.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Berry Sweet on January 24, 2019, 11:32:47 AM
Post by: Berry Sweet on January 24, 2019, 11:32:47 AM
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2019, 11:48:07 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2019, 11:48:07 AM
Everyone knows that JTs carbon tax is just a cash grab. Notice how nobody is doing nothing to change our ways of living? We need change, and we need it NOW. Not some tax. Everyone needs to change their ways of living, eating, etc. This needs to be highly promoted...but it wont because it wont make money and people will complain about it.Quote from: "Berry Sweet"
Berry, does this mean you won't be voting for Trudeau?
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: JOE on January 24, 2019, 01:08:48 PM
Post by: JOE on January 24, 2019, 01:08:48 PM
Everyone knows that JTs carbon tax is just a cash grab. Notice how nobody is doing nothing to change our ways of living? We need change, and we need it NOW. Not some tax. Everyone needs to change their ways of living, eating, etc. This needs to be highly promoted...but it wont because it wont make money and people will complain about it.Quote from: "Berry Sweet"
While I agree with the goals of implementing a carbon tax, I agree that its been poorly implemented in Canada.
Compared with other nations, Canada has very little to show for all the tax collected.
Some countries are going all out, finding alternative energy solutions that are actually saving their citizens money. Eg Germany allows people collecting solar energy to sell its excess back to the state.
When was the last time BC Hydro did this for British Columbians? And have they ever encouraged it?
Of course not. Because they want everyone to buy their energy source to make money for them and fatten the wallets of its corporate executives.
In other words in Canada the guv doesn't do a damn thing for people who want alternative energy sources to save money & the environment. And if they can't deliver results like other nations, the tax should be scrapped.
In its present form, youre right. The carbon tax is just a tax grab.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2019, 01:13:40 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2019, 01:13:40 PM
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: JOE on January 24, 2019, 01:19:28 PM
Post by: JOE on January 24, 2019, 01:19:28 PM
Germans are paying more than ever for electricity.Quote from: "Fashionista"German household power prices at record highhttps://www.reuters.com/article/germany-electricity-retail/german-household-power-prices-at-record-high-verivox-idUSL8N1MZ30X
Energy has always been expensive in Germany
Even if they used gas it'd still be expensive.
Much more than we pay because they'd have to import it.
So for a crowded country like that with a small land mass it makes sense to use solar & other forms of alternative energy sources.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Berry Sweet on January 24, 2019, 05:44:02 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on January 24, 2019, 05:44:02 PM
Everyone knows that JTs carbon tax is just a cash grab. Notice how nobody is doing nothing to change our ways of living? We need change, and we need it NOW. Not some tax. Everyone needs to change their ways of living, eating, etc. This needs to be highly promoted...but it wont because it wont make money and people will complain about it.Quote from: "Berry Sweet"
Berry, does this mean you won't be voting for Trudeau?ac_wot
I've voted in every election since I was 18. For the first time in my life, I actually feel I dont want to vote at all, I just dont care. But I know I will feel guilty if I dont.
No. I will not vote for Trudeau. Will you?
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Gaon on January 24, 2019, 05:54:31 PM
Post by: Gaon on January 24, 2019, 05:54:31 PM
Everyone knows that JTs carbon tax is just a cash grab. Notice how nobody is doing nothing to change our ways of living? We need change, and we need it NOW. Not some tax. Everyone needs to change their ways of living, eating, etc. This needs to be highly promoted...but it wont because it wont make money and people will complain about it.Quote from: "Berry Sweet"
Berry, does this mean you won't be voting for Trudeau?ac_wot
I've voted in every election since I was 18. For the first time in my life, I actually feel I dont want to vote at all, I just dont care. But I know I will feel guilty if I dont.
No. I will not vote for Trudeau. Will you?
Judging by his harsh criticism of the Canadian prime minister, my guess is no he won't. If I could vote, it would not be for Justin Trudeau.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2019, 10:54:56 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2019, 10:54:56 AM
BY Kenneth Green, analyst as the Fraser Institute
The Trudeau government is moving toward a Clean Fuel Standard (CFS) for Canada — basically, a set of government mandates to use transportation fuels that are lower in greenhouse gas emissions.
As I observed last year,
The Alberta economy could lose 1% of GDP by 2030.
And in Alberta, this would pile on top of other climate regulations such as the 100 megatonne restriction on oilsand emissions, methane gas reduction regulations, and of course, Alberta's carbon tax.
If the way the Trudeau government introduced its carbon backstop plan is any guide, you shouldn't hold your breath for that review.
One important thing to understand about clean fuel standards is that they are akin to a carbon tax.
Ottawa is simply imposing a tax on top of its proposed escalating carbon tax, which will bite, if one remembers, at $50 per tonne in 2022.
Here's how clean fuel standards work.
Government forces fuel importers and providers to use fuels that lead to lower greenhouse gas emissions.
Those that cannot do so economically can buy "clean fuel credits" from the suppliers of those cleaner forms of power, whether that's ethanol fuel, wind power, solar power, etc.
One reason governments like clean fuel standards is that they satisfy several desires of governments without being obvious to taxpayers.
Clean fuel standards work by forcing people to preferentially buy lower-carbon fuels — fuels which, as we've seen vividly in Toronto, tend to be significantly more expensive than conventional natural gas, hydro or nuclear power.
A second benefit for government is that clean fuel standards are a type of subsidy to businesses and energy forms they favour.
By forcing consumers to buy certain kinds of fuels, the providers of those fuels can get subsidies from the people who have to buy clean fuel credits.
Finally, Ottawa likes to boast about carbon tax "efficiency" while ignoring fundamental principles of carbon taxation.
One of those principles is that carbon taxes must displace other carbon regulations.
It must be fully "revenue neutral," with revenues used to offset other distortionary taxes such as personal and corporate income taxes.
For a few years, British Columbia lived up to the latter standard, but all too quickly, revenue neutrality was off the table.
It's also off the table in Alberta and was off the table in Ontario prior to the rollback of cap-and-trade by Premier Doug Ford.
Everyone loves the idea of using more "clean energy," but governments see this as more of an opportunity to raise revenues and micromanage the energy economy, leaving consumers across the country holding the bag for higher fuel prices and higher everything-else prices that go along with raising the cost of fuels at the intake-end of production.
Ottawa should think about Canadian consumers for a change, and stop dumping on us regulation after regulation that lightens our pocketbooks.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2019, 04:41:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2019, 04:41:31 PM
One of Justin Trudeau's signature promises as Liberal leader was to abolish our first-past-the-post system of voting in federal elections. And shortly after winning his majority, a panel of MPs toured the country to sell Canadians on the idea.
But the conversation was a mess. Public opinion was divided. The alternatives were confusing. And those who did want electoral reform were mixed on what changes they wanted.
So the prime minister went ahead with the only logical option: He cancelled the whole thing. Electoral reform was shelved.
It was the right call to make at the time. He should consider doing the same with the much-loathed carbon tax now.
Last week, the Saskatchewan Court of Appeal case got underway where that province, along with Ontario and New Brunswick, argued that the federal Liberals did not in fact have the authority to ram the tax down their throats, against their wishes.
Trudeau said if provinces didn't implement a version of carbon pricing that the feds were happy with, he'd enact his own version as something of a backstop.
It boggles the mind the Liberals think that it's wise to take the provinces to court in an election year to fight for their right to impose an extra tax on people.
Then again, there may not be much electoral calculus in all of this. Trudeau and those around him seem to be true believers when it comes to climate alarmism.
Regardless of their motives, their tactics are all wrong. It is simply not a mature and healthy approach to governing to head to court over disagreements about public policy.
If a consensus can't be formed, then the Liberals should simply abandon their plans. This has caused needless chaos and animosity between governments.
While Trudeau has invested a lot of capital in this battle, it's never too late to back down from it.
If he doesn't get what he wants from the courts, he can opt to not take it to the Supreme Court of Canada. And, if Trudeau does get the ruling he wants, he can still decide not to impose the tax.
This should be about co-operation. Not imposition.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2019, 07:21:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2019, 07:21:53 PM
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Bricktop on February 19, 2019, 08:12:02 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 19, 2019, 08:12:02 PM
Then be grateful you've stuck with first past the post.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2019, 08:39:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2019, 08:39:44 PM
If you want to know what preferential voting looks like, check out our system.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Then be grateful you've stuck with first past the post.
I believe that is what our pm wanted.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Berry Sweet on February 19, 2019, 08:49:19 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on February 19, 2019, 08:49:19 PM
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Bricktop on February 19, 2019, 09:05:43 PM
Post by: Bricktop on February 19, 2019, 09:05:43 PM
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2019, 09:20:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2019, 09:20:41 PM
JT got himself in a pickle right now. Not sure how he plans on getting himself out of this.Quote from: "Berry Sweet"
This latest scandal will probably not stick to him.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on March 23, 2019, 01:21:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 23, 2019, 01:21:51 PM
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on April 01, 2019, 11:09:22 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 01, 2019, 11:09:22 AM
By Lorrie Goldstein of Sun News Media
Trudeau's carbon tax will cost us all, and still not meet Paris climate targets
TORONTO — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's carbon tax will be imposed on Ontario today over the objections of Premier Doug Ford, who is challenging its legality in court.
Trudeau is promising rebates that exceed its costs for the public and dramatic reductions in industrial greenhouse gas emissions linked to climate change.
Extreme scepticism about these claims is warranted.
First, while Trudeau promises his carbon tax will be "revenue neutral" for the federal government, the public has no way of determining whether it will be revenue neutral for them.
We'll have to take Trudeau's word for it, as we did on his 2015 election prediction Canada's budget would be balanced in the 2019-20 fiscal year, with a $1 billion surplus.
Trudeau's latest budget pegs the 2019-20 deficit at $19.8 billion, $16.8 billion if you exclude its $3 billion reserve fund.
Second, Trudeau's claim his carbon tax will be revenue neutral for his government isn't true.
Third, no government in Canada that already has carbon pricing has a revenue neutral carbon tax — meaning the government lowers other taxes so that its revenue from the carbon tax does not increase government revenues.
B.C.'S carbon tax, implemented in 2008, started out as revenue neutral but no longer is.
Ontario's cap-and-trade scheme, imposed by former premier Kathleen Wynne and scrapped by Ford, was never revenue neutral.
Fourth,
For now, Trudeau's carbon tax starts at $20 per tonne of emissions on April 1, 2019, rising to $50 per tonne in 2022.
Fifth, while Trudeau and Co. typically cite only the higher costs of gasoline and natural gas used for home heating under his carbon tax, his finance department lists 22 fossil fuels where prices will increase, with costs passed on to consumers in higher prices for goods and services.
The finance department says the tax will increase the cost of gasoline by 4.42 cents per litre in 2019, rising to 11.05 cents per litre in 2022.
The cost of natural gas will rise by 3.91 cents per cubic metre in 2019, rising to 9.79 cents per cubic metre in 2022.
Enbridge Gas, natural gas supplier to most Ontario consumers, says this will increase prices by up to 10.8%, or $93.93 annually, on an annual average residential bill of $873, if its rate application before the Ontario Energy Board is approved. Rates won't change until that happens.
Sixth,
To do that, his government will have to introduce further measures, costing more public money — possibly including buying billions of dollars of "carbon credits" on fraud-ridden international markets — to achieve Trudeau's goal (which used to be former Conservative prime minister Stephen Harper's) of reducing Canada's emissions to 30% below 2005 levels by 2030.
Trudeau's carbon tax will reduce emissions more than Ford's plan for Ontario, but, in both cases, these reductions will be insignificant on a global scale.
Here's what Trudeau's government says will be the economic impact of his carbon tax on the average Ontario household.
In 2019, it will pay $244 in carbon taxes and receive a rebate from the federal government (calculated from income tax returns) of $300, for a net gain of $56, rising to a cost of $564 with a rebate of $697, for a net gain of $133, in 2022.
But not everyone benefits — 20% to 40% of Ontario households (depending on whose figures you believe) will be worse off financially because they consume more than the average amount of fossil fuel energy.
Small businesses complain they will bear a disproportionate burden of the costs of carbon pricing, and that the rebate system the Trudeau government promised them isn't ready.
Finally, as respected economist Jack Mintz wrote in the National Post last year, once you factor in all the direct and indirect costs of Trudeau's carbon tax, believing it's "going to make everyone richer through magical rebates" is "something right out of The Twilight Zone."
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on April 01, 2019, 11:22:48 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 01, 2019, 11:22:48 AM
The federal carbon is a contentious affair. There are at least four provinces that don't support it. Public opinion is sharply divided with many Canadians strongly opposed to it. And the Saskatchewan Court of Appeal is currently ruling on whether or not Prime Minister Justin Trudeau even has the legal authority to impose this tax on unwilling provinces.
you'd think with all of this drama, the Liberal government would step away from this much-maligned process or at least pause it. nope. not Trudeau. He's doubling down. on Monday, Canadians in ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and new Brunswick will wake up to find the price of gas increased by about 10 cents per litre. And that's just the most immediate and visible price hike. The cost of just about every consumer good will rise as manufacturers include the carbon tax in their products and services.
Life is about to become much more expensive.
A report from Alberta economics professor Jennifer Winter that was presented to the Senate last year used Statistics Canada data to figure out the average hit against people's wallets per household.
nova Scotians and Albertans will pay the highest ($1,120 and $1,111 respectively) while ontarians are at the lower end at $707. regardless, Canadians shouldn't have to shell out hundreds of dollars for an unpopular tax we don't need.
The government has tried to sell Canadians on the notion that the tax will make many households better off. Canadians will later receive a refund for the tax and the government claims some people will get more than they shell out.
This will be almost impossible to prove though. The rebates will be based on income. It's not like Canadians will be asked to keep their receipts and then government bean counters figure out how much they contributed, then give it back.
Everyone could end up paying more and there would be no way to prove it. We just have to trust Trudeau and take him at his word. There is good reason to be cynical about that.
The Liberals have been needlessly stubborn with the carbon tax, forcing it down people's throats.
There are far less contentious ways to be responsible stewards for the environment that they should be employing instead.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on April 01, 2019, 02:05:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 01, 2019, 02:05:33 PM
Trudeau and his environment minister are idiots.Quote from: "seoulbro"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://scontent.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/55557055_509885666207766_9149021110669410304_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent.fyxd2-1.fna&oh=60c93e17a85aa9e6c717fde739ade029&oe=5D0B3FDC%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://scontent.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/%20...%20e=5D0B3FDC%22%3Ehttps://scontent.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/55557055_509885666207766_9149021110669410304_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent.fyxd2-1.fna&oh=60c93e17a85aa9e6c717fde739ade029&oe=5D0B3FDC%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
Justine's carbon tax kicked in today. Gas prices are up. We got to make that guy a part time drama teacher again.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Thiel on April 02, 2019, 12:44:04 AM
Post by: Thiel on April 02, 2019, 12:44:04 AM
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2019, 12:48:51 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2019, 12:48:51 AM
Today was the first day of Justin's forced carbon tax on Manitobans. it will save the planet, lol.Quote from: "Thiel"
This is our third year of a carbon tax on everything..
It's gotten a lot more expensive to heat and power our home..
Alberta has has a carbon tax on industrial emitters for about fifteen years.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2019, 10:56:23 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2019, 10:56:23 AM
Today was the first day of Justin's forced carbon tax on Manitobans. it will save the planet, lol.Quote from: "Thiel"
We got hit with it too in Ontario. The same day, that the department climate Barbie(Catherine McKenna) heads announces Canada is warming faster than the rest of the world. Ya, picking the pockets of the average citizens will cool the country. The government is disingenuous slime.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2019, 11:32:22 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2019, 11:32:22 AM
Contrary to Justin Trudeau's claim of just a few years ago, budgets don't actually balance themselves: revenues have to equal expenditures for that to happen.
Given that, it is not surprising that after running up an enormous deficit in less than four years the Trudeau government is looking to put its hands in our pockets again with the federal carbon tax. Though presented as revenue neutral, the reality will be handouts to some and hidden rising costs for all.
Of particular note will be the hit to business competitiveness. Or at least the competitiveness of some businesses: one wonders how many large corporations have exemptions of one kind or another.
Why do we say that? Well why else would some of the various trade associations in the country repeatedly make clear their support for the tax?
How many people realize that there are industry groups out there declaring their support for carbon taxes, and then working out special exemptions because they are "energy-intensive industries" who compete in international markets with players who don't pay carbon taxes.
So in other words, they say "we're for carbon taxes but we don't want to pay them". Any hypocrisy there? So who will pay them? This is the ongoing trick with the carbon tax — it is hard to tell. But let me tell you that we know small to medium sized businesses will be hit hard. This tax is going to be devastating to the competitiveness of these companies — and that is really, really bad for Canada. If I belonged to any association that supported a carbon tax I would resign my membership immediately, full stop.
Large companies need to remember that while they are negotiating exemptions they are also throwing small to medium businesses under the bus: they are decimating their supply chains, killing the entrepreneurialism that ultimately provides talent to them, and hurting the innovation that flourishes in small enterprises — innovation from which they eventually benefit.
Carbon taxes are not revenue neutral — the B.C. case shows that. They do not change behavior — European case studies show that. They do not have an impact on emissions — all kinds of cases prove that.
What they do is drive up costs, subsidize ineffective alternatives, and give government another pool of money to pay for their pet projects.
The time has come for Canadian business to come together, to realize government is trying to divide and conquer us to advance their interests, and to realize our trade associations do us no favours by bowing before government to get access instead of calling them out when their actions are against our interests.
Monday was April Fool's Day and we got played for fools. We will see Trudeau's new tax launched despite massive opposition from provinces and informed citizens. We have to stand up and stop this and his many other anti-competitive policies that so hurt the future of our country.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2019, 12:03:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2019, 12:03:43 PM
Today was the first day of Justin's forced carbon tax on Manitobans. it will save the planet, lol.Quote from: "Thiel"
We got hit with it too in Ontario. The same day, thatthe department climate Barbie(Catherine McKenna) heads announces Canada is warming faster than the rest of the world. Ya, picking the pockets of the average citizens will cool the country. The government is disingenuous slime. https://globalnews.ca/news/5119325/canada-warming-rate-environment-canada/
What a coincidence.
Title: Re: UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2019, 03:20:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2019, 03:20:38 PM
Households in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Nova Scotia will be hit with more than $1,000 of carbon tax per year, while those in British Columbia, Quebec and Manitoba will pay around $650Quote
It took some poking and prodding and (finally) committee testimony, but now we know what the bill will be for a $50-per-tonne carbon tax, similar to one the federal Liberals plan to impose. In a report to the Senate Standing Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources, University of Calgary economics professor Jennifer Winter revealed the bottom line of a $50-per-tonne carbon price.
Using energy-consumption data from Statistics Canada, and imputing prices from average household expenditure on transportation fuels and provincial gasoline prices, Winter calculated the impact of a a $50-per-tonne model of a carbon tax on a typical Canadian household across different provinces. Far from being painless as advertised, the costs to households will be significant.
Three provinces — Alberta, Saskatchewan and Nova Scotia — will be hit with more than $1,000 of carbon tax per year to comply with the $50-per-tonne carbon tax Ottawa has mandated for 2022. Nova Scotia ($1,120) and Alberta ($1,111) will have the highest bills, followed by Saskatchewan ($1,032), New Brunswick ($963), Newfoundland ($859) and Prince Edward Island ($788). The average household in Ontario will pay $707 a year to comply with the carbon tax once its fully implemented.
Who gets the lowest bill? British Columbia ($603 per year), Quebec ($662) and Manitoba ($683). Simply put, households in provinces with the lowest bills will pay just a bit more than half compared to households in the hardest-hit provinces.
But it gets worse, since most experts say carbon prices must continue to increase sharply to effectively lower emissions. At $100 a tonne, for example, households in Alberta will pony up $2,223, in Saskatchewan they'll pay $2,065 and in Nova Scotia, $2,240. In fact, at $100 a tonne, the average price for households in all provinces is well north of $1,000 per year.
Already across Canada, particularly in the Maritimes, a significant number of households fit the definition of "energy poverty" — that is, 10 per cent or more of household expenditures are spent simply procuring the energy needed to live (to power the home and transportation). In 2016, the Fraser Institute measured energy poverty in Canada and found that when you add up the costs to power the home and cars, 19.4 per cent of Canadian households devoted at least 10 per cent or more of their expenditures to energy.