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Vancouver — as a story about a chinese tech exec wanted by the u.s. began unfolding from a Vancouver courtroom, the phone lines for a local mandarin-language radio program began lighting up.
Host Sunny chan said calls have doubled to his program after meng Wanzhou's arrest dec. 1 while she was changing flights at the Vancouver airport.
"I cut some of the calls because we don't have time," chan said.
meng, chief financial officer for chinese telecommunications giant Huawei, was released on $10 million bail. She is facing possible extradition to the u.s. over allegations she and her company misled banks about business dealings in Iran. meng has denied the allegations in court through her lawyer.
The story has sparked varying reactions within a diverse population that identifies as chinese-canadian.
"my feeling is that the chinese-canadian community is divided," said Guo ding, a commentator and producer at Omni bc mandarin news. "One group of people, they criticize canada, they say, 'Well, america is just closely linked,'" he said. "another group, they think we have to respect the law because canada is a country of law."
Those opinions tend to fall along regional lines, he said, with those from mainland china supporting Meng and those from Hong Kong or Taiwan supporting her extradition. ding says the split is about 50-50.
On chan's program, eight or nine out of every 10 calls shared the perspective that canada has erred in its handling of the case, he said.
"most of them are overwhelmingly supportive of china's call for Meng to be released," Chan said.
One called Canada a "fool" for becoming involved in a trade dispute between china and the u.s. most see the case as politically driven, especially after President Donald Trump suggested he could intervene in the case if it would help reach a trade deal with china.
Cheuk Kwan, a spokesman for the Toronto association for democracy in china, said he believes most Chinese-Canadians are just observing from the sidelines and are supportive of Canada's actions.
"There's obviously a faction of the Chinese-Canadian community who are in full fledged support of what china's causes or grievances are, so it's not surprising they would come out and protest the arrest of ms. Meng Wanzhou," Cheuk Kwan said. "but I would say those are in the minority
While we are on the subject of China's international business relations.
By Peter Morici
President Donald Trump's decision to yet again negotiate with China, instead of imposing across-the-board tariffs, will empower his critics and undermine American prosperity.
The White House reported that Mr. Trump emerged from his Dec. 1 meeting in Buenos Aires with President Xi with an agreement to discuss reforms in China's non-tariff barriers, requirements that U.S. subsidiaries in China transfer technology and state-enabled intellectual property theft and cyber espionage.
That is hardly a full list of American grievances — others include its high tariffs, export subsidies, requirements that U.S. multinationals take domestic joint-venture partners to sell in China, arbitrary treatment of U.S. investors by Chinese courts and regulators, and Beijing's 2025 program to achieve global dominance in chip making and software that define artificial intelligence.
The policies enumerated and omitted are so mutually reinforcing in the tyranny they impose on U.s.-based businesses and workers that all are likely fair game, at least in the minds of U.S. negotiators.
True to form, Chinese officials emerged from the Dec. 1 meeting refusing to admit accepting the U.S. agenda and characterized the agreement as focusing on eliminating the limited recently imposed U.S. tariffs in exchange for beefing up purchases of U.S. agricultural products and energy.
Mr. Trump's decision to suspend broader tariffs — advocated by doves on his trade team — simply continues the Bush-obama policy of appeasement veiled in endless bilateral talk.
China's mercantilist policies, espionage and felonious private behavior are so embedded in the culture of its authoritarian, socialist government and private sector that any agreement reached by the March 1 deadline will have little more significant impact on bilateral commercial relations than to reinstate pork and soybean exports and increase natural gas sales — products that geography requires China import anyway.
Ultimately, the winners will be Beijing and large U.S. multinationals, like Google and GM, which are so intoxicated with penetrating China's large markets that they abandon national loyalty. And Wall Street financial houses, who arrange for the financing that outsources American jobs and recycles the dollars that China steals through its bilateral trade surplus into ownership of American businesses, real estate and securities.
Those decadent interests are effectively represented in the Trump administration by Goldman Sachs alumni and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin. It is noteworthy, for example, that he was rewarded by President Xi for brokering the Buenos Aires armistice with concessions loosening restrictions on the activities of U.S. banks in China. Those will further both Beijing's and Wall Street's agendas to move U.S. factories to the Middle Kingdom and do nothing to alleviate American complaints about China's high-tech kleptocrarcy.
It is important to recognize Mr. Trump is negotiating with a repressive criminal regime. Beijing persecutes its Muslim and Buddhist minorities, harvests prisoners' organs for transplant, tightly controls internet content, and monitors the actions and thoughts of its citizens to compel ideological purity and robotic behaviour.
Those should elicit cries of outrage and support for more substantive American policies punishing Chinese violations of human rights and international commitments from activists like Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-cortez and congressional Democrats generally. However, either they are too enamored with socialism or bent on replicating Beijing's techniques for imposing their brand of politically correct behavior on American society.
It all smells of decay, and Beijing believes it has time on its side. The mid-term shellacking Republicans took after Mr. Trump campaigned so vigorously on their behalf likely confirmed in Mr. Xi's mind that the president will soon be a lame duck and just needs to be slow-walked a bit longer.
Then Mr. Xi can then deal with Democratic president hopefuls like Sen. Elizabeth Warren or Sen. Cory Booker, who believe free-market capitalism is a sham and basic constitutional rights expendable as necessary to accomplish their social agendas. After all, they would make good acolytes to administer Mr. Xi's American vassal state.
Campaigning for office, Mr. Trump promised to slap a 25% across-the-board tariff on all Chinese imports and do whatever else was necessary to redress bilateral commercial relations.
At Mar-a-largo in April 2017, Mr. Xi coaxed him into a round of bilateral talks that resulted in little progress — an approach that has failed presidents going back to Bill Clinton. And in Buenos Aires, Mr. Trump took the bait again.
Historians will take the president's measure and on trade, it may find him lacking.
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Vancouver — as a story about a Chinese tech exec wanted by the u.s. began unfolding from a Vancouver courtroom, the phone lines for a local mandarin-language radio program began lighting up.
Host Sunny Chan said calls have doubled to his program after Meng Wanzhou's arrest Dec. 1 while she was changing flights at the Vancouver airport.
"I cut some of the calls because we don't have time," Chan said.
Meng, chief financial officer for Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei, was released on $10 million bail. She is facing possible extradition to the u.s. over allegations she and her company misled banks about business dealings in Iran. Meng has denied the allegations in court through her lawyer.
The story has sparked varying reactions within a diverse population that identifies as Chinese-Canadian.
"my feeling is that the Chinese-Canadian community is divided," said Guo Ding, a commentator and producer at Omni BC mandarin news. "One group of people, they criticize Canada, they say, 'Well, america is just closely linked,'" he said. "another group, they think we have to respect the law because Canada is a country of law."
Those opinions tend to fall along regional lines, he said, with those from mainland china supporting Meng and those from Hong Kong or Taiwan supporting her extradition. Ding says the split is about 50-50.
On Chan's program, eight or nine out of every 10 calls shared the perspective that Canada has erred in its handling of the case, he said.
"most of them are overwhelmingly supportive of China's call for Meng to be released," Chan said.
One called Canada a "fool" for becoming involved in a trade dispute between china and the u.s. most see the case as politically driven, especially after President Donald Trump suggested he could intervene in the case if it would help reach a trade deal with china.
Cheuk Kwan, a spokesman for the Toronto association for democracy in china, said he believes most Chinese-Canadians are just observing from the sidelines and are supportive of Canada's actions.
"There's obviously a faction of the Chinese-Canadian community who are in full fledged support of what china's causes or grievances are, so it's not surprising they would come out and protest the arrest of ms. Meng Wanzhou," Cheuk Kwan said. "but I would say those are in the minority
My old lady is from Northern China. She is taking a wait and see attitude about Meng's arrest.
The results are what I expect..
Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.
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Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.
Well I'm not Chinese & I think the Canadian government handled the situation very poorly.
This is made in America problem where the United States & its President treats Canada like shit & then ecpects us to be their buddy in arms to take care of their dirty laundry.
Ofcourse it draws the ire of China & they retaliate by detaining our citizens
Trudeau should have told that ceo to leave.
Yes and this smacks of kidnapping and ransom
Even US papers have said it was handled badly
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Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.
Well I'm not Chinese & I think the Canadian government handled the situation very poorly.
This is made in America problem where the United States & its President treats Canada like shit & then ecpects us to be their buddy in arms to take care of their dirty laundry.
Ofcourse it draws the ire of China & they retaliate by detaining our citizens
Trudeau should have told that ceo to leave.
Yes and this smacks of kidnapping and ransom
Even US papers have said it was handled badly
This has nothing to do with any American president.
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Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.
Well I'm not Chinese & I think the Canadian government handled the situation very poorly.
This is made in America problem where the United States & its President treats Canada like shit & then ecpects us to be their buddy in arms to take care of their dirty laundry.
Ofcourse it draws the ire of China & they retaliate by detaining our citizens
Trudeau should have told that ceo to leave.
Yes and this smacks of kidnapping and ransom
Even US papers have said it was handled badly
This has nothing to do with any American president.
Of course not, it was the justice department.
Old Joe doesn't care about our legal obligations or how the process works. A common characteristic among sixty year old virgins.
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Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.
Well I'm not Chinese & I think the Canadian government handled the situation very poorly.
This is made in America problem where the United States & its President treats Canada like shit & then ecpects us to be their buddy in arms to take care of their dirty laundry.
Ofcourse it draws the ire of China & they retaliate by detaining our citizens
Trudeau should have told that ceo to leave.
Yes and this smacks of kidnapping and ransom
Even US papers have said it was handled badly
This has nothing to do with any American president.
Of course not, it was the justice department.
Old Joe doesn't care about our legal obligations or how the process works. A common characteristic among sixty year old virgins.
He doesn't read posts either.
It seems unbelievable to Chinese that both the USA and Canada have independent judiciaries..
They can't conceive that neither Justin Trudeau nor Donald Trump can call a judge and get the charges dropped..
That's how it works in China which has the rule of man instead of the rule of law.
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Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.
Well I'm not Chinese & I think the Canadian government handled the situation very poorly.
This is made in America problem where the United States & its President treats Canada like shit & then ecpects us to be their buddy in arms to take care of their dirty laundry.
Ofcourse it draws the ire of China & they retaliate by detaining our citizens
Trudeau should have told that ceo to leave.
Yes and this smacks of kidnapping and ransom
Even US papers have said it was handled badly
This has nothing to do with any American president.
Of course not, it was the justice department.
Old Joe doesn't care about our legal obligations or how the process works. A common characteristic among sixty year old virgins.
So I suppose its OK if the US justice department bars you from entering the United States because of your time in prison & your criminal record, eh Herman?
From what I gather they'd detain your sorry criminal ass at the border if you attempted entry into the United States, eh Herman?
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Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.
Well I'm not Chinese & I think the Canadian government handled the situation very poorly.
This is made in America problem where the United States & its President treats Canada like shit & then ecpects us to be their buddy in arms to take care of their dirty laundry.
Ofcourse it draws the ire of China & they retaliate by detaining our citizens
Trudeau should have told that ceo to leave.
Yes and this smacks of kidnapping and ransom
Even US papers have said it was handled badly
This has nothing to do with any American president.
Of course not, it was the justice department.
Old Joe doesn't care about our legal obligations or how the process works. A common characteristic among sixty year old virgins.
So I suppose its OK if the US justice department bars you from entering the United States because of your time in prison & your criminal record, eh Herman?
From what I gather they'd detain your sorry criminal ass at the border if you attempted entry into the United States, eh Herman?
It works both ways JOE..
Americans with criminal records and without a pardon are banned from entering Canada..
Don't you watch Border Security.
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Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.
She's a criminal. Mainlanders do not see that. She's a hero in their eyes. Huawei 5G technology. The future! I'm posting from my Huawei smartphone.
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Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.
She's a criminal. Mainlanders do not see that. She's a hero in their eyes. Huawei 5G technology. The future!
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From what I gather they'd detain your sorry criminal ass at the border if you attempted entry into the United States, eh Herman?
Pshaw.
All Herman would have to do is fly to Mexico and join the Honduran caravan.
He'll be in in no time.
Not sure they'd let a white guy in today without going through the full application process
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Americans with criminal records and without a pardon are banned from entering Canada..
Don't you watch Border Security.
I believe even a pardon does not get one into the US .. dunno about the other way around
Joe is just bitter cause they run him out and will never let him back in
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A little tanning lotion will fix that.
'Hey, homes...I am Pedro Jiminez from Hondoorus, man...I lost my wallet on the way....but you can trust me, senor..."
And you're in.
Prolly right
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Americans with criminal records and without a pardon are banned from entering Canada..
Don't you watch Border Security.
I believe even a pardon does not get one into the US .. dunno about the other way around
Joe is just bitter cause they run him out and will never let him back in
I know of at least one employee at my husband's company in the USA who couldn't come to Calgary for work and training..
I don't know if he has a pardon or not.
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Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.
She's a criminal. Mainlanders do not see that. She's a hero in their eyes. Huawei 5G technology. The future! I'm posting from my Huawei smartphone.
I don't think the CEO Meng is a criminal.
This situation could have been handled much better.
Isn't that why we have international courts, trade agreements, dispute mechanisms.
Arresting her was excessive & smacks of American legal absolutism.
There was no need to humiliate her like that.
This action sets international diplomacy & goodwill back 100 years
They could have just taken the company to court and shut down their operations.
Arresting Meng looks like a kidnapping & I'm afraid the Chinese, an authoritarian government I usually don't agree with, are correct
This is their way of dealing with disputes. BY solving rather than resolving them.
But then again, that's what the USA did when they invaded Iraq.
They raise hell when some nation trades with Iran, but then think nothing of invading a country, killing it's people & stealing its oil.
If there's anyone who should be put on trial and detained for what he did it's the motherfucker George E Bush & his henchmen Dick Cheney.
Bricktop was right. George E Bush is a criminal who has never been held accountable for his crimes.
What a double standard the US sets for itself & to the rest of the world.
They're hypocrites
Canada has an extradition treaty with the United States. Both countries have an independent judiciary. Simple
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I posted this on the first page of this thread, but JOE didn't read it.
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They can't conceive that neither Justin Trudeau nor Donald Trump can call a judge and get the charges dropped..
That's how it works in China which has the rule of man instead of the rule of law.
The Huawei CFO is entitled to fair and due process free of political interference in Canada and the USA..
China has no concept of that.
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I posted this on the first page of this thread, but JOE didn't read it.
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They can't conceive that neither Justin Trudeau nor Donald Trump can call a judge and get the charges dropped..
That's how it works in China which has the rule of man instead of the rule of law.
The Huawei CFO is entitled to fair and due process free of political interference in Canada and the USA..
China has no concept of that.
Ignoring what people say is a common trait among sixty year old virgins.
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I posted this on the first page of this thread, but JOE didn't read it.
:001_rolleyes:
They can't conceive that neither Justin Trudeau nor Donald Trump can call a judge and get the charges dropped..
That's how it works in China which has the rule of man instead of the rule of law.
The Huawei CFO is entitled to fair and due process free of political interference in Canada and the USA..
China has no concept of that.
Well if this case is so clear cut and dry like you & Gaon claim, then why didnt other nations or trading blocs like Europe, Australia or Japan with concerns about Huawei arrest Meng? You know why? Cuz they would have told America to get stuffed. Ie - Europe 's largest teading partner is China, not America. And they likely realized the repercussions of arresting her.
And plus what does Canada have to show for doing America's bidding? 2 of our diplomats now being detained in China. China is angry at Canada. Was it worth it? We look like the USA's lackey.
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I posted this on the first page of this thread, but JOE didn't read it.
:001_rolleyes:
They can't conceive that neither Justin Trudeau nor Donald Trump can call a judge and get the charges dropped..
That's how it works in China which has the rule of man instead of the rule of law.
The Huawei CFO is entitled to fair and due process free of political interference in Canada and the USA..
China has no concept of that.
Well if this case is so clear cut and dry like you & Gaon claim, then why didnt other nations or trading blocs like Europe, Australia or Japan with concerns about Huawei arrest Meng? You know why? Cuz they would have told America to get stuffed. Ie - Europe 's largest teading partner is China, not America. And they likely realized the repercussions of arresting her.
And plus what does Canada have to show for doing America's bidding? 2 of our diplomats now being detained in China. China is angry at Canada. Was it worth it? We look like the USA's lackey.
As for evidence, that's what will come out in hearings, and a trial if goes that far....due process..
As for bidding, I've told you more than once that the USA and Canada both have independent judiciaries and the rule of law plus a reciprocal extradition treaty..
China does not have an independent judiciary nor the rule of law...they can kidnap any foreign national or citizen they wish for any reason they choose.
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I posted this on the first page of this thread, but JOE didn't read it.
:001_rolleyes:
They can't conceive that neither Justin Trudeau nor Donald Trump can call a judge and get the charges dropped..
That's how it works in China which has the rule of man instead of the rule of law.
The Huawei CFO is entitled to fair and due process free of political interference in Canada and the USA..
China has no concept of that.
Well if this case is so clear cut and dry like you & Gaon claim, then why didnt other nations or trading blocs like Europe, Australia or Japan with concerns about Huawei arrest Meng? You know why? Cuz they would have told America to get stuffed. Ie - Europe 's largest teading partner is China, not America. And they likely realized the repercussions of arresting her.
And plus what does Canada have to show for doing America's bidding? 2 of our diplomats now being detained in China. China is angry at Canada. Was it worth it? We look like the USA's lackey.
As for evidence, that's what will come out in hearings, and a trial if goes that far....due process..
As for bidding, I've told you more than once that the USA and Canada both have independent judiciaries and the rule of law plus a reciprocal extradition treaty..
China does not have an independent judiciary nor the rule of law...they can kidnap any foreign national or citizen they wish for any reason they choose.
And as I told you, ignoring what people say is a common trait among sixty year old virgins.
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Thanks. That completes my Christmas gift list.
I will be gifting JoJo a ticket to Beijing for Christmas
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I posted this on the first page of this thread, but JOE didn't read it.
:001_rolleyes:
They can't conceive that neither Justin Trudeau nor Donald Trump can call a judge and get the charges dropped..
That's how it works in China which has the rule of man instead of the rule of law.
The Huawei CFO is entitled to fair and due process free of political interference in Canada and the USA..
China has no concept of that.
Well if this case is so clear cut and dry like you & Gaon claim, then why didnt other nations or trading blocs like Europe, Australia or Japan with concerns about Huawei arrest Meng? You know why? Cuz they would have told America to get stuffed. Ie - Europe 's largest teading partner is China, not America. And they likely realized the repercussions of arresting her.
And plus what does Canada have to show for doing America's bidding? 2 of our diplomats now being detained in China. China is angry at Canada. Was it worth it? We look like the USA's lackey.
As for evidence, that's what will come out in hearings, and a trial if goes that far....due process..
As for bidding, I've told you more than once that the USA and Canada both have independent judiciaries and the rule of law plus a reciprocal extradition treaty..
China does not have an independent judiciary nor the rule of law...they can kidnap any foreign national or citizen they wish for any reason they choose.
Anyways Fashionista here's one opinion that America's claims of Meng's criminality are murky at best.
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2018/12/19/canadas-huawei-arrest-lending-support-to-rogue-us-behaviour.html
Also, your conention that Trump had nothing to do with her arrest makes me question why Trump would offer to 'intervene' on Meng's behalf to secure her release. If the US Justice Department & the Trump administration are not colluding or are independent, then why is he offering to 'help'?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-trumps-willingness-to-intervene-in-huawei-cfos-detention-puts-canada/
And if he is, has Trump violated the democratic rule of law by intervening in a supposedly 'independent ' judicial process'?
Editorials have no effect on the American or Canadian justice system.
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Why do you even bother responding to the sixty year virgin attention whore.
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And yet, it remains a reported news fact that US President Donald Trump did offer to intervene to secure Meng's release:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/us-stocks-up-on-trump-possibly-intervening-for-huawei-cfo
Thats not 'fake news' or editorial content Fashionista. Its from a news source friendly to Trump and the Republican party.
Trump did offer to intervene which slightly contradicts your assertion that the Justice Department & the executive branches of power are completely separate in the United States.
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And yet, it remains a reported news fact that US President Donald Trump did offer to intervene to secure Meng's release:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/us-stocks-up-on-trump-possibly-intervening-for-huawei-cfo
Thats not 'fake news' or editorial content Fashionista. Its from a news source friendly to Trump and the Republican party.
Trump did offer to intervene which slightly contradicts your assertion that the Justice Department & the executive branches of power are completely separate in the United States.
This is out of the American president's hands..
Chinese believe a president or prime minister can make a call and have charges dropped because that's how it works in a country like China that doesn't have the rule of law.
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Why do you even bother responding to the sixty year virgin attention whore.
It's my choice.
Canadians in China advised to exercise caution after third Canuck is detained
TORONTO — An expert in Canada-china relations warns the recent detaining of an Alberta woman over what authorities have called employment issues could signal a ramping up of low-level harassment as the two countries remain locked in a diplomatic dispute.
Lynette Ong, with the Munk School of Global Affairs in Toronto, said Canada's relationship with China fundamentally changed with the arrest of Meng Wanzhou, the chief financial officer of tech giant Huawei in Vancouver on Dec. 1.
"I think both sides have actually lost a lot of legitimacy," Ong said Thursday.
Wanzhou was arrested at the request of the United States, where she is wanted on fraud allegations.
Her arrest enraged China which demanded her release and warned of serious consequences.
Days after Meng's arrest, two Canadians were detained in Beijing for allegedly endangering China's national security. Entrepreneur Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig, a former diplomat on a leave of absence from Global Affairs. Both remain in custody.
China's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said Thursday a Canadian woman had received an administrative penalty for illegal employment. She did not provide further details.
Several news outlets have reported that the Alberta woman who is being detained is Sarah Mciver. She has been teaching in China for months.
The National Post reported that she was teaching at a school in China when she was detained due to visa complications and that arrangements were being made for her return to Canada.
Consular officials are providing assistance to the detainee's family, Global Affairs Canada said.
Mciver had worked in multiple countries as a teacher, said Shaun Starr, whose brother was in a relationship with the Albertan a few years ago. While they haven't spoken in awhile, Starr said Mciver posts about her travels on Facebook and has always been adventurous.
"She's a well-spirited person," Starr said in an interview.
The Chinese government could be reacting to Meng's arrest by creating bureaucratic inconveniences for Canadians, Ong said. That could include cracking down on people who have overstayed their visas while awaiting their renewal.
Canadians who study or do business in China may want to lie low and keep a low profile, she said.
"In the short term, in the next couple of months, I would try to cease any operations in China," she said. "I would definitely avoid taking any risky activities because the political environment is just not conducive."
Law enforcement officials allege that Wanzhou lied to U.S. banks about a corporate structure devised to get around sanctions against Iran. In China, Ong said Canada is seen as helping the United States with its politically calculated strategy to contain their country.
The Chinese government likely wants to show it has bargaining power by making life difficult for Canadians and Canadian businesses, she said.
And thats what we get for getting involved in a Made in America's problem.
Shouldve told that ceo to go hone back to China
This problem didnt even concern Canada
Its America bitchin about the new kid on the block
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Canadians in China advised to exercise caution after third Canuck is detained
TORONTO — An expert in Canada-china relations warns the recent detaining of an Alberta woman over what authorities have called employment issues could signal a ramping up of low-level harassment as the two countries remain locked in a diplomatic dispute.
Lynette Ong, with the Munk School of Global Affairs in Toronto, said Canada's relationship with China fundamentally changed with the arrest of Meng Wanzhou, the chief financial officer of tech giant Huawei in Vancouver on Dec. 1.
"I think both sides have actually lost a lot of legitimacy," Ong said Thursday.
Wanzhou was arrested at the request of the United States, where she is wanted on fraud allegations.
Her arrest enraged China which demanded her release and warned of serious consequences.
Days after Meng's arrest, two Canadians were detained in Beijing for allegedly endangering China's national security. Entrepreneur Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig, a former diplomat on a leave of absence from Global Affairs. Both remain in custody.
China's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said Thursday a Canadian woman had received an administrative penalty for illegal employment. She did not provide further details.
Several news outlets have reported that the Alberta woman who is being detained is Sarah Mciver. She has been teaching in China for months.
The National Post reported that she was teaching at a school in China when she was detained due to visa complications and that arrangements were being made for her return to Canada.
Consular officials are providing assistance to the detainee's family, Global Affairs Canada said.
Mciver had worked in multiple countries as a teacher, said Shaun Starr, whose brother was in a relationship with the Albertan a few years ago. While they haven't spoken in awhile, Starr said Mciver posts about her travels on Facebook and has always been adventurous.
"She's a well-spirited person," Starr said in an interview.
The Chinese government could be reacting to Meng's arrest by creating bureaucratic inconveniences for Canadians, Ong said. That could include cracking down on people who have overstayed their visas while awaiting their renewal.
Canadians who study or do business in China may want to lie low and keep a low profile, she said.
"In the short term, in the next couple of months, I would try to cease any operations in China," she said. "I would definitely avoid taking any risky activities because the political environment is just not conducive."
Law enforcement officials allege that Wanzhou lied to U.S. banks about a corporate structure devised to get around sanctions against Iran. In China, Ong said Canada is seen as helping the United States with its politically calculated strategy to contain their country.
The Chinese government likely wants to show it has bargaining power by making life difficult for Canadians and Canadian businesses, she said.
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Shouldve told that ceo to go hone back to China
This problem didnt even concern Canada
Its America bitchin about the new kid on the block
JOE this type of trolling is very rude and it's why Seoul ignores you..
Canada and the USA have an extradition treaty and we're honouring it, but you know that because it's been posted many times.
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Meng is out on bail and living in a mansion while one of the detained Canadians is being held in a Chinese prison.
somewhere in the miniaturized guts of cellphones. China has been using its commercial leverage to spread its own wireless equipment around the world to extend its influence and control. And Beijing isn't coy about its ambitions: They are codified in its Made in China 2025 policy, announced in 2015 and restated since.
The battleground is "5G" – the next generation in wireless communications. 5G isn't just a faster version of 4G; it is qualitatively different. Currently, wireless phone calls are routed through cell towers. With 5G, that link will be nearly direct, cellphone to cellphone. As a result, 5G will have many positive applications. It is crucial for the advancement of technologies such as autonomous cars that will need to communicate with each other as they move down the highway. But it also creates the potential for much more precise levels of surveillance by governments and potential bad actors.
Huawei, founded by Ren Zhengfei, Meng's father and a former member of the Chinese military, just this year outstripped Apple in smartphone sales. Backed by Beijing, it has for some time been aggressively selling 5G products around the world, alarming the U.S. national-security establishment.
When a country floods a market with low or below-cost goods, economists refer to it as "dumping," which is prohibited by international trade law.
National-security experts are concerned that China, through Huawei and the smaller company ZTE, is engaging in a high-tech version of "standards dumping." They are selling 5G equipment at low prices, spreading their 5G standards and handsets around the world. The United States is concerned that Huawei is embedding technology in its equipment to help Chinese intelligence agencies keep track of users and their communications. One expert in the field refers to the strategy as a "Digital Iron Curtain" descending across countries willing to accept Chinese technology,
Many of Washington's allies are just as concerned. Australia, New Zealand and Japan have banned Huawei equipment from their telecom networks. BT (formerly British Telecom) has announced it will strip Huawei products from its networks; Canada also is mulling a ban.
The Justice Department accused Meng and Huawei of hiding their ownership of a subsidiary company to circumvent export-control laws and sell their products to Iran, a violation of U.S. sanctions. Our stark differences in core values – specifically the rule of law – are highlighted by Meng's treatment in Canada versus the treatment of two Canadians apparently detained by the Chinese in retaliation for her arrest. Meng was given several days of hearings in a public courtroom, jammed with reporters, her lawyers and some of her supporters. And she was able to make bail. Where are the two Canadians? We don't yet know.
Even as China agreed this week to buy more U.S. soybeans, reduce tariffs on imported cars and allow more foreign investment, the graver issue of state control will continue to divide the United States and the West from China.
President Xi Jinping has been very clear about his ambitions to make China the dominant player in the technologies of the future, asserting his country's global power and preserving the power of the Communist Party. Those ambitions are on a collision course with the U.S.-led international order.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/guest-column-huawei-case-shows-how-chinas-ambitions-on-collision-course-with-u-s
China has a different ideas about the global power balance than China and Europe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3lauewVCVQ
Quote from: "Gaon"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3lauewVCVQ
China's rise is shaking the world's foundation.
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Gaon"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3lauewVCVQ
China's rise is shaking the world's foundation.
It will be interesting to see how the current global geopolitical situation evolves.