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Title: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 05, 2019, 07:29:44 PM
//https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/three-dead-several-injured-shooting-torrance-california-bowling-alley-n955041



Three dead.



Well, Freud...tell us again how owning guns is good for the community.



 :crazy:
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Odinson on January 05, 2019, 08:10:56 PM
The recent attacks in europe have been committed with a knife..
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2019, 09:07:44 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"The recent attacks in europe have been committed with a knife..

Bingo.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Odinson on January 05, 2019, 10:04:51 PM
And the recent not so multicultural attacks in Germany have been committed with a car.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2019, 12:07:51 AM
Quote from: "Odinson"And the recent not so multicultural attacks in Germany have been committed with a car.

Ban guns, ban knives, ban cars in city centres, but don't ban islam.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 06, 2019, 02:00:44 AM
Er...there is no evidence that this was an islamic attack.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2019, 02:39:57 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Er...there is no evidence that this was an islamic attack.

I never said it was.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Odinson on January 06, 2019, 08:01:47 AM
I think the point was that ban everything except islam..





They are even banning ideologies except for islam.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2019, 02:16:33 PM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Bricktop"Er...there is no evidence that this was an islamic attack.

I never said it was.

I get what you are laying down brother.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on January 06, 2019, 02:52:15 PM
With or without guns, man will kill man.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2019, 03:40:17 PM
Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"With or without guns, man will kill man.

I don't take sides on the gun control issue, but this is true and always has been.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 06, 2019, 05:23:08 PM
Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"With or without guns, man will kill man.


What is your point?
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2019, 06:01:48 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"With or without guns, man will kill man.


What is your point?

I think her point is clear.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 06, 2019, 06:02:49 PM
What do you think her point is, then?
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2019, 06:10:02 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"What do you think her point is, then?

You can ban guns, knives and baseball bats, but people will still kill each other.



And I have never been a firearms owner. I am a fisherman.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 06, 2019, 06:43:25 PM
The argument that because we can use other implements to kill, it's OK to have the most effective and efficient means of killing available to all is irrational.



It should also be reminded that in most countries knives ARE illegal to carry, unless there is a lawful purpose to do so.



How many people would have died in LA if the offender had a knife?
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2019, 06:47:40 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"The argument that because we can use other implements to kill, it's OK to have the most effective and efficient means of killing available to all is irrational.



It should also be reminded that in most countries knives ARE illegal to carry, unless there is a lawful purpose to do so.



How many people would have died in LA if the offender had a knife?

What if the offender had a truck?
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 06, 2019, 08:07:57 PM
Pretty hard to drive a truck into a concert venue.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 06, 2019, 09:15:22 PM
Pretty hard to shoot through a windscreen or at tyres with an iPhone and selfie stick when some mentally ill sort decides to go on a rampage.



Maybe you are an elite manbag swinging ninja though.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 06, 2019, 09:53:27 PM
But Bricktop does have a point, it's true knife also kills but only b/c they're much easier to obtain I believe and serves a practical purpose aside from harming others, meanwhile guns on the other hand really is the worst invention mankind has ever made.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2019, 09:58:30 PM
Quote from: "Zetsu"But Bricktop does have a point, it's true knife also kills but only b/c they're much easier to obtain I believe and serves a practical purpose aside from harming others, meanwhile guns on the other hand really is the worst invention mankind has ever made.

The Chinese invented gun powder.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 06, 2019, 10:16:07 PM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Zetsu"But Bricktop does have a point, it's true knife also kills but only b/c they're much easier to obtain I believe and serves a practical purpose aside from harming others, meanwhile guns on the other hand really is the worst invention mankind has ever made.

The Chinese invented gun powder.


Yep, not to mention the most ironic thing is they accidently invented it originally hoping to create the medicine of eternal life, now so many people are easily killed b/c of this stupid alchemist.   ac_unsure
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Odinson on January 06, 2019, 10:33:43 PM
If I could beam all the firearms away, I would..





Bring back swords, bows, axes and spears.









Crusade to recover the kingdom of Jerusalem.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 06, 2019, 10:37:33 PM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Zetsu"But Bricktop does have a point, it's true knife also kills but only b/c they're much easier to obtain I believe and serves a practical purpose aside from harming others, meanwhile guns on the other hand really is the worst invention mankind has ever made.

The Chinese invented gun powder.


Yep, not to mention the most ironic thing is they accidently invented it originally hoping to create the medicine of eternal life, now so many people are easily killed b/c of this stupid alchemist.   ac_unsure


Think of how many have been saved by it.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 06, 2019, 10:45:14 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"Pretty hard to shoot through a windscreen or at tyres with an iPhone and selfie stick when some mentally ill sort decides to go on a rampage.



Maybe you are an elite manbag swinging ninja though.


So, it's OK that everyone carries a gun, and around 600 people PER WEEK die of gunshot wounds in the US to protect us from how many deaths by truck? Or knife?



You aren't very bright, are you?
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 06, 2019, 10:48:39 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Zetsu"But Bricktop does have a point, it's true knife also kills but only b/c they're much easier to obtain I believe and serves a practical purpose aside from harming others, meanwhile guns on the other hand really is the worst invention mankind has ever made.

The Chinese invented gun powder.


Yep, not to mention the most ironic thing is they accidently invented it originally hoping to create the medicine of eternal life, now so many people are easily killed b/c of this stupid alchemist.   ac_unsure


Think of how many have been saved by it.


But that's only b/c the other side is plague with guns, if we look at the US, a place where buying firearms couldn't be any more easy we hear news quite often about mass shooting thanks to someone with a few loose screws in teh head and suffer from small penis syndrone.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 06, 2019, 10:49:43 PM
Yeah, but to Freud they don't matter.



All that matters is he "protects" his family with a gun.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 06, 2019, 10:52:25 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Yeah, but to Freud they don't matter.



All that matters is he "protects" his family with a gun.


That's the same feeling I'm getting too, as long as I'm ok, it matters little if others are at risk thanks to the ridiculous laws he support.  Sorry no offense Dinky.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 06, 2019, 10:53:22 PM
Oh, don't be concerned at offending Freud. He is offensive by default.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 06, 2019, 10:58:22 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Oh, don't be concerned at offending Freud. He is offensive by default.


Lol the guy does troll quite often and does ask for it, meanwhile I'm still interested in finding out why he's always so butthurt about our law enforcement and military personals.  ac_umm
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 06, 2019, 10:58:55 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"Pretty hard to shoot through a windscreen or at tyres with an iPhone and selfie stick when some mentally ill sort decides to go on a rampage.



Maybe you are an elite manbag swinging ninja though.


So, it's OK that everyone carries a gun, and around 600 people PER WEEK die of gunshot wounds in the US to protect us from how many deaths by truck? Or knife?



You aren't very bright, are you?


How many people were killed by all their own governments in the 20th century and what was the typical precursor to that?



In cases of mass murder, where do nutjobs go to commit such acts?



Two simple queries. Take your time. I'm slow roasting a slab of venison hubby's brother gave us from his last hunting trip. It should turn out grouse. Did the herbal dry rub first at 6am, arc'd the heat up fast then turned it down to a trickle.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2019, 11:05:34 PM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Zetsu"But Bricktop does have a point, it's true knife also kills but only b/c they're much easier to obtain I believe and serves a practical purpose aside from harming others, meanwhile guns on the other hand really is the worst invention mankind has ever made.

The Chinese invented gun powder.


Yep, not to mention the most ironic thing is they accidently invented it originally hoping to create the medicine of eternal life, now so many people are easily killed b/c of this stupid alchemist.   ac_unsure

It was always meant for military purposes.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 06, 2019, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"Pretty hard to shoot through a windscreen or at tyres with an iPhone and selfie stick when some mentally ill sort decides to go on a rampage.



Maybe you are an elite manbag swinging ninja though.


So, it's OK that everyone carries a gun, and around 600 people PER WEEK die of gunshot wounds in the US to protect us from how many deaths by truck? Or knife?



You aren't very bright, are you?


How many people were killed by all their own governments in the 20th century and what was the typical precursor to that?



In cases of mass murder, where do nutjobs go to commit such acts?



Two simple queries. Take your time. I'm slow roasting a slab of venison hubby's brother gave us from his last hunting trip. It should turn out grouse. Did the herbal dry rub first at 6am, arc'd the heat up fast then turned it down to a trickle.  :thumbup:


There's some truth to what you say, but this is really the past and doesn't reflect the average reality.  If people don't like their country they're free to leave, no one is pointing a gun at their head to stay.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 06, 2019, 11:12:45 PM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Zetsu"But Bricktop does have a point, it's true knife also kills but only b/c they're much easier to obtain I believe and serves a practical purpose aside from harming others, meanwhile guns on the other hand really is the worst invention mankind has ever made.

The Chinese invented gun powder.


Yep, not to mention the most ironic thing is they accidently invented it originally hoping to create the medicine of eternal life, now so many people are easily killed b/c of this stupid alchemist.   ac_unsure

It was always meant for military purposes.


It sure is after they find out it's violent nature, but before I believe the person that accidently invented it was hoping to create a elixir for long life and good health.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 06, 2019, 11:31:54 PM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"Pretty hard to shoot through a windscreen or at tyres with an iPhone and selfie stick when some mentally ill sort decides to go on a rampage.



Maybe you are an elite manbag swinging ninja though.


So, it's OK that everyone carries a gun, and around 600 people PER WEEK die of gunshot wounds in the US to protect us from how many deaths by truck? Or knife?



You aren't very bright, are you?


How many people were killed by all their own governments in the 20th century and what was the typical precursor to that?



In cases of mass murder, where do nutjobs go to commit such acts?



Two simple queries. Take your time. I'm slow roasting a slab of venison hubby's brother gave us from his last hunting trip. It should turn out grouse. Did the herbal dry rub first at 6am, arc'd the heat up fast then turned it down to a trickle.  :thumbup:


There's some truth to what you say, but this is really the past and doesn't reflect the average reality.  If people don't like their country they're free to leave, no one is pointing a gun at their head to stay.


Doesn't reflect your average reality but realities can and do change, often incrementally. It's also very cyclical. Governments tend to start off on their best foot and descend into madness down the road. Revolutions happen. Coups happen. Stupid people elect stupid people like Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib who in turn seek to change longstanding social contracts such as property rights and self determination, by any means and at any cost.



It's always been a balancing act and when the populace is a potential threat, governments disarm their citizens. There are countless examples of this happening throughout history and it will continue to happen.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 06, 2019, 11:50:08 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"Pretty hard to shoot through a windscreen or at tyres with an iPhone and selfie stick when some mentally ill sort decides to go on a rampage.



Maybe you are an elite manbag swinging ninja though.


So, it's OK that everyone carries a gun, and around 600 people PER WEEK die of gunshot wounds in the US to protect us from how many deaths by truck? Or knife?



You aren't very bright, are you?


How many people were killed by all their own governments in the 20th century and what was the typical precursor to that?



In cases of mass murder, where do nutjobs go to commit such acts?



Two simple queries. Take your time. I'm slow roasting a slab of venison hubby's brother gave us from his last hunting trip. It should turn out grouse. Did the herbal dry rub first at 6am, arc'd the heat up fast then turned it down to a trickle.  :thumbup:


There's some truth to what you say, but this is really the past and doesn't reflect the average reality.  If people don't like their country they're free to leave, no one is pointing a gun at their head to stay.


Doesn't reflect your average reality but realities can and do change, often incrementally. It's also very cyclical. Governments tend to start off on their best foot and descend into madness down the road. Revolutions happen. Coups happen. Stupid people elect stupid people like Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib who in turn seek to change longstanding social contracts such as property rights and self determination, by any means and at any cost.



It's always been a balancing act and when the populace is a potential threat, governments disarm their citizens. There are countless examples of this happening throughout history and it will continue to happen.




In cases like this guns aren't really the best solution, if anyone is a threat to the government even if they have guns, I believe the SWAT or any kind of special force would make short work of them in any moment.  This is why we have democracy and free speech, a much better tool to deal with those kind of politicians that wants to dictate and control your individual rights.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 07, 2019, 12:05:37 AM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"Pretty hard to shoot through a windscreen or at tyres with an iPhone and selfie stick when some mentally ill sort decides to go on a rampage.



Maybe you are an elite manbag swinging ninja though.


So, it's OK that everyone carries a gun, and around 600 people PER WEEK die of gunshot wounds in the US to protect us from how many deaths by truck? Or knife?



You aren't very bright, are you?


How many people were killed by all their own governments in the 20th century and what was the typical precursor to that?



In cases of mass murder, where do nutjobs go to commit such acts?



Two simple queries. Take your time. I'm slow roasting a slab of venison hubby's brother gave us from his last hunting trip. It should turn out grouse. Did the herbal dry rub first at 6am, arc'd the heat up fast then turned it down to a trickle.  :thumbup:


There's some truth to what you say, but this is really the past and doesn't reflect the average reality.  If people don't like their country they're free to leave, no one is pointing a gun at their head to stay.


Doesn't reflect your average reality but realities can and do change, often incrementally. It's also very cyclical. Governments tend to start off on their best foot and descend into madness down the road. Revolutions happen. Coups happen. Stupid people elect stupid people like Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib who in turn seek to change longstanding social contracts such as property rights and self determination, by any means and at any cost.



It's always been a balancing act and when the populace is a potential threat, governments disarm their citizens. There are countless examples of this happening throughout history and it will continue to happen.




In cases like this guns aren't really the best solution, if anyone is a threat to the government even if they have guns, I believe the SWAT or any kind of special force would make short work of them in any moment.  This is why we have democracy and free speech, a much better tool to deal with those kind of politicians that wants to dictate and control your individual rights.


Democracy and free speech disappear not long after the ability of citizens to curtail the excesses of their governments is removed.



It's a numbers game. The most well trained and equipped police and military cannot put down a widely armed citizenry barring an indiscriminate scorched earth policy on the heads of everyone, including security forces.



And definitely not after the 20% participation rate is met and exceeded.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 12:25:56 AM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"


How many people were killed by all their own governments in the 20th century and what was the typical precursor to that?


I have no idea. As it is not salient to the discussion at hand, I have even less interest. Unless, of course, you're trying to suggest that private ownership of guns somehow protects citizens from its own government, in which case you are deluded as well as retarded.


Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"In cases of mass murder, where do nutjobs go to commit such acts?


Hmm...let's see...schools, dance halls, rock concerts, churches, shopping malls, bowling alleys...wait...I'll make it easy...EVERYWHERE AND ANYWHERE.



Now, what the fuck has any of this got to do with gun ownership by private citizens?
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 07, 2019, 12:26:12 AM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"Pretty hard to shoot through a windscreen or at tyres with an iPhone and selfie stick when some mentally ill sort decides to go on a rampage.



Maybe you are an elite manbag swinging ninja though.


So, it's OK that everyone carries a gun, and around 600 people PER WEEK die of gunshot wounds in the US to protect us from how many deaths by truck? Or knife?



You aren't very bright, are you?


How many people were killed by all their own governments in the 20th century and what was the typical precursor to that?



In cases of mass murder, where do nutjobs go to commit such acts?



Two simple queries. Take your time. I'm slow roasting a slab of venison hubby's brother gave us from his last hunting trip. It should turn out grouse. Did the herbal dry rub first at 6am, arc'd the heat up fast then turned it down to a trickle.  :thumbup:


There's some truth to what you say, but this is really the past and doesn't reflect the average reality.  If people don't like their country they're free to leave, no one is pointing a gun at their head to stay.


Doesn't reflect your average reality but realities can and do change, often incrementally. It's also very cyclical. Governments tend to start off on their best foot and descend into madness down the road. Revolutions happen. Coups happen. Stupid people elect stupid people like Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib who in turn seek to change longstanding social contracts such as property rights and self determination, by any means and at any cost.



It's always been a balancing act and when the populace is a potential threat, governments disarm their citizens. There are countless examples of this happening throughout history and it will continue to happen.




In cases like this guns aren't really the best solution, if anyone is a threat to the government even if they have guns, I believe the SWAT or any kind of special force would make short work of them in any moment.  This is why we have democracy and free speech, a much better tool to deal with those kind of politicians that wants to dictate and control your individual rights.


Democracy and free speech disappear not long after the ability of citizens to curtail the excesses of their governments is removed.



It's a numbers game. The most well trained and equipped police and military cannot put down a widely armed citizenry barring an indiscriminate scorched earth policy on the heads of everyone, including security forces.



And definitely not after the 20% participation rate is met and exceeded.


I dun really believe it considering the fact the US is probably the only developed country in the world that suffers from constant mass shooting b/c of it's loose gun laws.  Meanwhile here in Canada, European and developed East asian counties are much safer b/c of what Brick and I agreed on.



If civilians plan to use scorched earth tactics, chances they're just asking the government to send in the whole military to put and end to everything and nothing can be done about it.  This has been proven in the Sino-Vietnam war, teh Viets thought it was smart to set up booby traps until it lead the Chinese to just pulvarize anything in sight, same as the Yanks decided to open fire upon anything that has 2 legs and look like Vietnamese.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 07, 2019, 12:31:30 AM
You two government loving Peaceniks have fun with each other. It's obvious that you're either willfully or unintentionally misinterpreting the points I've made because of your ignorance of history, power, and human nature.



In Bricktop's case also because of altered brain chemistry.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 07, 2019, 12:34:16 AM
QuoteIt's a numbers game. The most well trained and equipped police and military cannot put down a widely armed citizenry barring an indiscriminate scorched earth policy on the heads of everyone, including security forces.




And this is why we don't need to give guns to people that never earned their previlage or is mentally unstable.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 12:35:27 AM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"


It's a numbers game. The most well trained and equipped police and military cannot put down a widely armed citizenry barring an indiscriminate scorched earth policy on the heads of everyone, including security forces.


And now you're an expert in civil warfare??



 ac_toofunny



Son, a well trained and equipped squad of soldiers will take apart a civilian force with indisputable ease.



Just by way of example, get someone to discharge a firearm over your head from 100 metres. Now imagine there's 10 of those high calibre military rifles firing over your head, and you think it's a good idea to stick it up to return fire.



You'd fudge your huggies, sunshine, throw down your gun and hope they are in a good mood.



Soldiers and police anti terrorist teams train DAILY to deal with insurrection, twinky dink, with equipment you have no clue about.



Possessing a gun in a civil uprising will only get you killed quicker.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 12:37:17 AM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
QuoteIt's a numbers game. The most well trained and equipped police and military cannot put down a widely armed citizenry barring an indiscriminate scorched earth policy on the heads of everyone, including security forces.




And this is why we don't need to give guns to people that never earned their previlage or is mentally unstable.


And of course, these civilian forces are only intent on making your lives better. Like Mao, Lenin, Pol Pot, the IRA, the PLO...
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 07, 2019, 12:38:29 AM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"You two government loving Peaceniks have fun with each other. It's obvious that you're either willfully or unintentionally misinterpreting the points I've made because of your ignorance of history, power, and human nature.



In Bricktop's case also because of altered brain chemistry.


We're not ignorant Dinky, and you're forgetting 2 critical factors, "modern democracy" and "modern militariy".  One is you'll have a better chance of making use of to expose those politicians and the other one is you'll never stand a change against.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 12:39:42 AM
Best post.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 07, 2019, 12:40:14 AM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
QuoteIt's a numbers game. The most well trained and equipped police and military cannot put down a widely armed citizenry barring an indiscriminate scorched earth policy on the heads of everyone, including security forces.




And this is why we don't need to give guns to people that never earned their previlage or is mentally unstable.


I spoke of the scorch earthed policies of governments not the people.



Self defence is not a privilege incidentally.


Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"


It's a numbers game. The most well trained and equipped police and military cannot put down a widely armed citizenry barring an indiscriminate scorched earth policy on the heads of everyone, including security forces.


And now you're an expert in civil warfare??



 ac_toofunny



Son, a well trained and equipped squad of soldiers will take apart a civilian force with indisputable ease.



Just by way of example, get someone to discharge a firearm over your head from 100 metres. Now imagine there's 10 of those high calibre military rifles firing over your head, and you think it's a good idea to stick it up to return fire.



You'd fudge your huggies, sunshine, throw down your gun and hope they are in a good mood.



Soldiers and police anti terrorist teams train DAILY to deal with insurrection, twinky dink, with equipment you have no clue about.



Possessing a gun in a civil uprising will only get you killed quicker.


 :001_rolleyes:



Take your meds, old man. You're purposefully being obtuse and misrepresenting while changing terms and concepts because you enjoy gov willy.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 07, 2019, 12:52:04 AM
Quote
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
QuoteIt's a numbers game. The most well trained and equipped police and military cannot put down a widely armed citizenry barring an indiscriminate scorched earth policy on the heads of everyone, including security forces.




And this is why we don't need to give guns to people that never earned their previlage or is mentally unstable.


I spoke of the scorch earthed policies of governments not the people.



Self defence is not a privilege incidentally.


If you're talking about the police and military, espeically just standard forces they easily can, this is not my opinion, but a fact.  But instead of worrying about this you should drive safer since the chance of getting killed in a car accident is probably higher than a modern developed democratic country deciding to one day destroy itself.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 07, 2019, 01:00:50 AM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
QuoteIt's a numbers game. The most well trained and equipped police and military cannot put down a widely armed citizenry barring an indiscriminate scorched earth policy on the heads of everyone, including security forces.




And this is why we don't need to give guns to people that never earned their previlage or is mentally unstable.


I spoke of the scorch earthed policies of governments not the people.



Self defence is not a privilege incidentally.


If you're talking about the police and military, espeically just standard forces they easily can, this is not my opinion, but a fact.  But instead of worrying about this you should drive safer since the chance of getting killed in a car accident is probably higher than a modern developed democratic country deciding to one day destroy itself.


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Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 07, 2019, 01:10:37 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
QuoteIt's a numbers game. The most well trained and equipped police and military cannot put down a widely armed citizenry barring an indiscriminate scorched earth policy on the heads of everyone, including security forces.




And this is why we don't need to give guns to people that never earned their previlage or is mentally unstable.


And of course, these civilian forces are only intent on making your lives better. Like Mao, Lenin, Pol Pot, the IRA, the PLO...


Lol nothing but local terrorists and rebels trying to make things much harder for everyone.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2019, 01:54:34 AM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Zetsu"But Bricktop does have a point, it's true knife also kills but only b/c they're much easier to obtain I believe and serves a practical purpose aside from harming others, meanwhile guns on the other hand really is the worst invention mankind has ever made.

The Chinese invented gun powder.


Yep, not to mention the most ironic thing is they accidently invented it originally hoping to create the medicine of eternal life, now so many people are easily killed b/c of this stupid alchemist.   ac_unsure

It was always meant for military purposes.


It sure is after they find out it's violent nature, but before I believe the person that accidently invented it was hoping to create a elixir for long life and good health.

First time I heard that.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 02:43:59 AM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"


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Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 07, 2019, 02:45:31 AM
You lost some weight there.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2019, 02:38:15 PM
I have a compromise. The federal government gets to ban all private citizens from owning rifles and guns. In exchange, the feds working with the provinces,  slash the size of the civil service by one quarter, reduce the entire tax burden by one third and roll back our nonsensical regulatory burden.



If we are to surrender some freedoms, they have to give us something back in return. if Bricktop is right that easy access to firearms increases crime, than the saving must be passed on the people. Greedy governments don't get to keep any savings.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 07, 2019, 02:47:50 PM
If citizens must disarm then so should their elected officials and institutions. Non negotiable.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: JOE on January 07, 2019, 02:49:57 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"//https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/three-dead-several-injured-shooting-torrance-california-bowling-alley-n955041



Three dead.



Well, Freud...tell us again how owning guns is good for the community.



 :crazy:


Guns might serve as a possible deterrent in some cases such as home invadion.



The trouble with your pie in the sky attitude is the police are not always there to protect you or even intervene on your behalf.



I had that experience a couple if years ago.



Police didn't help me.



They only help the rich.



Even Canada.



Otherwise the ordinary citizen is on his or her own.



Plus even if the police try to help they may well come too late.



The police in Vancouver are fucking useless



And you wonder why increasing numbers of normally peaceful citizens are turning to gun ownership



Its because the police don't protect us
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Odinson on January 07, 2019, 03:09:34 PM
Banning stuff "for security" is how it starts..





350 million people..



260 million firearms..





One guy shoots a bunch of people..





That is a microscopic event..
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 04:28:32 PM
Tell that to the families of the dead.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2019, 06:19:42 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"I have a compromise. The federal government gets to ban all private citizens from owning rifles and guns. In exchange, the feds working with the provinces,  slash the size of the civil service by one quarter, reduce the entire tax burden by one third and roll back our nonsensical regulatory burden.



If we are to surrender some freedoms, they have to give us something back in return. if Bricktop is right that easy access to firearms increases crime, than the saving must be passed on the people. Greedy governments don't get to keep any savings.

I'm thinking. ac_umm
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 06:28:43 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"I have a compromise. The federal government gets to ban all private citizens from owning rifles and guns. In exchange, the feds working with the provinces,  slash the size of the civil service by one quarter, reduce the entire tax burden by one third and roll back our nonsensical regulatory burden.



If we are to surrender some freedoms, they have to give us something back in return. if Bricktop is right that easy access to firearms increases crime, than the saving must be passed on the people. Greedy governments don't get to keep any savings.


The Feds DID ban citizens from owning high powered rifles in Australia.



Oddly, the chances of being shot in Australia are one tenth of that in the US, and half that of Canada.



And Freud hasn't been shot yet, either.



No guns = no death by firearm. It's simple.



As yet no member here has explained why people being killed at musical concerts and kids being shot in schools is an acceptable cost of firearms possession.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Odinson on January 07, 2019, 06:34:13 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Tell that to the families of the dead.


Cant stop people from dying..
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 06:35:55 PM
Can stop them from being killed by a firearm, though.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 07, 2019, 08:04:32 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"Banning stuff "for security" is how it starts..





350 million people..



260 million firearms..





One guy shoots a bunch of people..





That is a microscopic event..


It might be small if you compared it to the entire population but an average of 100 people in teh US are killed by guns everyday, while hundreds of people are shot and wounded and probably thousands of innocent folk's lives are threaten with gun pointed at them on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Odinson on January 07, 2019, 08:09:50 PM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Odinson"Banning stuff "for security" is how it starts..





350 million people..



260 million firearms..





One guy shoots a bunch of people..





That is a microscopic event..


It might be small if you compared it to the entire population but an average of 100 people in teh US are killed by guns everyday, while hundreds of people are shot and wounded and probably thousands of innocent folk's lives are threaten with gun pointed at them on a daily basis.


I saw a stat that said most of them are committed with illegal firearms... By illegal aliens and other minority populations.



And then there are the ones who get shot while trying to rob a liquor store.







USA is very different compared to places like Australia..
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Odinson on January 07, 2019, 08:11:21 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Can stop them from being killed by a firearm, though.


Well...



People still die.





It doesnt really matter whether they are killed with a firearm or not.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2019, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"I have a compromise. The federal government gets to ban all private citizens from owning rifles and guns. In exchange, the feds working with the provinces,  slash the size of the civil service by one quarter, reduce the entire tax burden by one third and roll back our nonsensical regulatory burden.



If we are to surrender some freedoms, they have to give us something back in return. if Bricktop is right that easy access to firearms increases crime, than the saving must be passed on the people. Greedy governments don't get to keep any savings.

Is this a serious suggestion Seoul?
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 07, 2019, 08:20:51 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Odinson"Banning stuff "for security" is how it starts..





350 million people..



260 million firearms..





One guy shoots a bunch of people..





That is a microscopic event..


It might be small if you compared it to the entire population but an average of 100 people in teh US are killed by guns everyday, while hundreds of people are shot and wounded and probably thousands of innocent folk's lives are threaten with gun pointed at them on a daily basis.


I saw a stat that said most of them are committed with illegal firearms... By illegal aliens and other minority populations.



And then there are the ones who get shot while trying to rob a liquor store.







USA is very different compared to places like Australia..




I duno do illegal or legal firearm kills more, but I do know illegal firearms are just basically once "legal" guns but smuggled or illegally sold to crminals.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2019, 08:38:44 PM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Odinson"Banning stuff "for security" is how it starts..





350 million people..



260 million firearms..





One guy shoots a bunch of people..





That is a microscopic event..


It might be small if you compared it to the entire population but an average of 100 people in teh US are killed by guns everyday, while hundreds of people are shot and wounded and probably thousands of innocent folk's lives are threaten with gun pointed at them on a daily basis.


I saw a stat that said most of them are committed with illegal firearms... By illegal aliens and other minority populations.



And then there are the ones who get shot while trying to rob a liquor store.







USA is very different compared to places like Australia..




I duno do illegal or legal firearm kills more, but I do know illegal firearms are just basically once "legal" guns but smuggled or illegally sold to crminals.

I hope Gaon  posts in this thread..



Israel has relaxed gun ownership laws compared to most countries.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 08:45:06 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"


It doesnt really matter whether they are killed with a firearm or not.


I HATE responding to stupidity such as that you've just displayed. :crazy:



So I won't.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Odinson on January 07, 2019, 08:46:38 PM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Odinson"Banning stuff "for security" is how it starts..





350 million people..



260 million firearms..





One guy shoots a bunch of people..





That is a microscopic event..


It might be small if you compared it to the entire population but an average of 100 people in teh US are killed by guns everyday, while hundreds of people are shot and wounded and probably thousands of innocent folk's lives are threaten with gun pointed at them on a daily basis.


I saw a stat that said most of them are committed with illegal firearms... By illegal aliens and other minority populations.



And then there are the ones who get shot while trying to rob a liquor store.







USA is very different compared to places like Australia..




I duno do illegal or legal firearm kills more, but I do know illegal firearms are just basically once "legal" guns but smuggled or illegally sold to crminals.


I´m guessing none of the thugs have legal firearms..





The smuggling will continue after the ban of all firearms..
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 08:48:02 PM
There is NO such thing as a "legal" or "illegal" firearm.



It is the POSSESSION of a firearm which is controlled at law.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Odinson on January 07, 2019, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Odinson"


It doesnt really matter whether they are killed with a firearm or not.


I HATE responding to stupidity such as that you've just displayed. :crazy:



So I won't.




Dead is still dead..
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 08:52:33 PM
And stupid is still stupid. The difference is you're stupid by choice.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Odinson on January 07, 2019, 08:57:25 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"And stupid is still stupid. The difference is you're stupid by choice.


The way people get killed seems to be a big deal to you..
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 07, 2019, 10:14:56 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Bricktop"And stupid is still stupid. The difference is you're stupid by choice.


The way people get killed seems to be a big deal to you..


But you know it's a serious problem when people are getting kill for no good reason(guns) nearly as much as people getting killed from car accidents.  At least cars serves as a critical daily necessity.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Gaon on January 07, 2019, 10:26:40 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Odinson"Banning stuff "for security" is how it starts..





350 million people..



260 million firearms..





One guy shoots a bunch of people..





That is a microscopic event..


It might be small if you compared it to the entire population but an average of 100 people in teh US are killed by guns everyday, while hundreds of people are shot and wounded and probably thousands of innocent folk's lives are threaten with gun pointed at them on a daily basis.


I saw a stat that said most of them are committed with illegal firearms... By illegal aliens and other minority populations.



And then there are the ones who get shot while trying to rob a liquor store.







USA is very different compared to places like Australia..




I duno do illegal or legal firearm kills more, but I do know illegal firearms are just basically once "legal" guns but smuggled or illegally sold to crminals.

I hope Gaon  posts in this thread..



Israel has relaxed gun ownership laws compared to most countries.

Soldiers have always been allowed to carry their weapons on and off duty. Residents of the West Bank and Golan Heights too. But, it was only last year that gun laws were relaxed to allow most adults in Israel proper to apply for a gun license.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 10:39:51 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Bricktop"And stupid is still stupid. The difference is you're stupid by choice.


The way people get killed seems to be a big deal to you..


Wow!!!  :ohmy:



You CAN think.



Let's hope this is the dawn of a new age in Odinson's development to full adulthood.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Odinson on January 07, 2019, 10:49:57 PM
Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Bricktop"And stupid is still stupid. The difference is you're stupid by choice.


The way people get killed seems to be a big deal to you..


But you know it's a serious problem when people are getting kill for no good reason(guns) nearly as much as people getting killed from car accidents.  At least cars serves as a critical daily necessity.


Maybe its time to go after the obvious giant elephant in the room...





The negro thug culture..







Ban guns and they are gonna start using stabbing weapons... Like they do in the UK.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 10:51:45 PM
The problem with stabbing weapons is you can outrun them. There's no denying that thugs will find ways of killing each other, but without guns the death total would be substantially reduced.



Black thug culture, and Mexican gangs need to be eradicated.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Gaon on January 07, 2019, 10:53:18 PM
If we move back to Israel, I would apply for a gun license. I like to shoot. I was a good marksman when I was in the army.



I have never looked into acquiring firearms in Canada.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 10:53:54 PM
Nothing wrong with sport shooting.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2019, 11:11:48 PM
Quote from: "Gaon"
Soldiers have always been allowed to carry their weapons on and off duty. Residents of the West Bank and Golan Heights too. But, it was only last year that gun laws were relaxed to allow most adults in Israel proper to apply for a gun license.

I thought all Israel had easy access laws and did for a long time.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 11:23:13 PM
And Israel has twice as many gun deaths than Australia per capita, and half the number of guns.



//https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Gaon on January 08, 2019, 12:32:06 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"And Israel has twice as many gun deaths than Australia per capita, and half the number of guns.



//https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Israel's murder rate is much higher among the our huge and growing Arab population.



Report: Murder Rate Among Israeli non-Jews Far Outstrips Jewish Rate

Arab MK: 'Figures show what we all knew – Arab society has become battleground, sense of security has vanished'

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/report-murder-rate-among-israeli-non-jews-far-outstrips-jewish-rate-1.5809175



According to your link Austria has fewer gun deaths per capita than Australia with about 2.5 times as many firearms per 100,000 people.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 08, 2019, 12:50:40 AM
Of course, numbers will vary according to a wide range of other factors than simple gun ownership. As America so glaringly demonstrates, culture is a major influence. Apparently, the Arab culture has similar flaws...no surprise there.



One might assume Austria to be highly disciplined and respectful of the rights and safety of others, with a more rational and sensible approach to community living.



Likewise, I would expect Jewish people to be the same for quite different reasons. Israel is in a constant state of war, and that tends to unify a nation.



As an aside, you seem very fond of Israel...yet you left. Why is that?
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Gaon on January 08, 2019, 01:07:11 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Of course, numbers will vary according to a wide range of other factors than simple gun ownership. As America so glaringly demonstrates, culture is a major influence. Apparently, the Arab culture has similar flaws...no surprise there.



One might assume Austria to be highly disciplined and respectful of the rights and safety of others, with a more rational and sensible approach to community living.



Likewise, I would expect Jewish people to be the same for quite different reasons. Israel is in a constant state of war, and that tends to unify a nation.



As an aside, you seem very fond of Israel...yet you left. Why is that?

I love Israel. I was proud to serve in the IDF. I loved the lifestyle, the people, the culture, the food, and especially the beaches.



I don't see how Israel can survive as is. A solution must be found soon. The demographic time bomb is ticking. Arabs and the Haredim now account for nearly 40% of the population. Neither of them are paying their share. Arabs make up 55% of the Northern District's population.



In my city, Ashdod, we had significant numbers of Spanish speakers. A quick fake Jewish conversion, a one year wait and they can make aliyah. And be eligible for all of Israel's extensive social welfare benefits upon arrival.



The Law of Return must be scrapped. An Israeli identity based on shared values must replace religious identity. A land swap with the Palestinian Authority making Israel more homogeneous is the only acceptable two state solution.



If I saw these changes to ensure Israel's survival, my wife and I would return. They almost certainly won't.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 08, 2019, 01:24:26 AM
So you left as a protest?



That rather seems like leaving a movie because you don't like the colour of the seats.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Gaon on January 08, 2019, 01:37:31 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"So you left as a protest?



That rather seems like leaving a movie because you don't like the colour of the seats.

We emigrated not for ourselves, but for our daughter. It's a sacrifice, but if things get ugly back home she won't be caught in the middle of it.



Israel allows dual citizenship, so even after obtaining Canadian citizenship we can always return home and pick up where we left off.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2019, 01:39:02 AM
Quote from: "Gaon"
Quote from: "Bricktop"Of course, numbers will vary according to a wide range of other factors than simple gun ownership. As America so glaringly demonstrates, culture is a major influence. Apparently, the Arab culture has similar flaws...no surprise there.



One might assume Austria to be highly disciplined and respectful of the rights and safety of others, with a more rational and sensible approach to community living.



Likewise, I would expect Jewish people to be the same for quite different reasons. Israel is in a constant state of war, and that tends to unify a nation.



As an aside, you seem very fond of Israel...yet you left. Why is that?

I love Israel. I was proud to serve in the IDF. I loved the lifestyle, the people, the culture, the food, and especially the beaches.



I don't see how Israel can survive as is. A solution must be found soon. The demographic time bomb is ticking. Arabs and the Haredim now account for nearly 40% of the population. Neither of them are paying their share. Arabs make up 55% of the Northern District's population.



In my city, Ashdod, we had significant numbers of Spanish speakers. A quick fake Jewish conversion, a one year wait and they can make aliyah. And be eligible for all of Israel's extensive social welfare benefits upon arrival.



The Law of Return must be scrapped. An Israeli identity based on shared values must replace religious identity. A land swap making with the Palestinian Authority making Israel more homogeneous is the only acceptable two state solution.



If I saw these changes to ensure Israel's survival, my wife and I would return. They almost certainly won't.

I liked Israel very much. The Jews I mean. The Muslims were not too friendly.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 08, 2019, 02:12:44 AM
Quote from: "Gaon"
Quote from: "Bricktop"So you left as a protest?



That rather seems like leaving a movie because you don't like the colour of the seats.

We emigrated not for ourselves, but for our daughter. It's a sacrifice, but if things get ugly back home she won't be caught in the middle of it.



Israel allows dual citizenship, so even after obtaining Canadian citizenship we can always return home and pick up where we left off.


Russia - Israel - Canada...too much moving around can unsettle a child.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 08, 2019, 02:14:32 AM
Or broaden their understanding of different cultures and enable critical thought.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: JOE on January 08, 2019, 03:54:11 AM
Bricktop likes to pontificate why we boys and girls shouldn't have guns.



But then he doesn't tell us what we should do to protect ourselves against a vicious assailant when there are no police around to protect us.



What should we do in that case, BT?



Please advise
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2019, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: "Gaon"
Quote from: "Bricktop"So you left as a protest?



That rather seems like leaving a movie because you don't like the colour of the seats.

We emigrated not for ourselves, but for our daughter. It's a sacrifice, but if things get ugly back home she won't be caught in the middle of it.



Israel allows dual citizenship, so even after obtaining Canadian citizenship we can always return home and pick up where we left off.

But, you know yourself once you buy a home and your daughter becomes Canadianized you will not return..



My father always thought we would return to  Taiwan once the political situation changed, but we never did.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 08, 2019, 11:39:43 AM
Quote from: "JOE"Bricktop likes to pontificate why we boys and girls shouldn't have guns.



But then he doesn't tell us what we should do to protect ourselves against a vicious assailant when there are no police around to protect us.



What should we do in that case, BT?



Please advise


Try not to carry so much cash with you if you're planning to go to getto places, just give them the cash, if you're not there to protect others on a daily basis then it's obvious you don't need one else you'll just get other innocents killed b/c of the laws you try to adjust to suit your needs.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 08, 2019, 11:41:49 AM
Cowardice.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Zetsu on January 08, 2019, 11:43:31 AM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"Cowardice.


Lol I'm not the pussy that isn't a cop but still needs a gun.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Odinson on January 08, 2019, 03:10:12 PM
I´m not a pussy..





I just like the idea of having an ace up my sleeve.





Like when I go gathering berries.. I like carrying my Winchester with me incase of bears or wolves.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2019, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"I´m not a pussy..





I just like the idea of having an ace up my sleeve.





Like when I go gathering berries.. I like carrying my Winchester with me incase of bears or wolves.

Wolves don't attack people..



I don't know about Finland, but you can buy bear spray here in sporting goods stores.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Odinson on January 08, 2019, 03:29:12 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"I´m not a pussy..





I just like the idea of having an ace up my sleeve.





Like when I go gathering berries.. I like carrying my Winchester with me incase of bears or wolves.

Wolves don't attack people..



I don't know about Finland, but you can buy bear spray here in sporting goods stores.


They cower away in most cases... Just like bears..



But sometimes they do attack..





Especially the young ones who dont know better..







I dont like the idea of being equipped with a can of spray against a 10 foot bear.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 08, 2019, 05:22:05 PM
Quote from: "JOE"Bricktop likes to pontificate why we boys and girls shouldn't have guns.



But then he doesn't tell us what we should do to protect ourselves against a vicious assailant when there are no police around to protect us.



What should we do in that case, BT?



Please advise


How often do you get attacked by a "vicious assailant"? And I don't mean those women you try to seduce with money.



Your scenario presumes more than it appears. By your logic, you would be carrying a firearm with you when out in the public. Thus, every other citizen would be permitted to carry a firearm. That means that your community would be, like America, awash with guns. THAT means that a certain amount of guns will be possessed by criminals, because we know there is an overflow from legal ownership into the hands of people with no lawful right of possession.



This then implies that if, in your community, it is widely known that people carry a firearm, any "vicious assailant" will not attack unless he or she is armed as well. Thus, the chances of someone dying in the commission of vicious assaults increases.



Given that the perpetrator is hardly likely to stick his gun in an ankle holster in case he might need it, and is more likely to stick his piece in your face demanding you hand over your Seiko and the $30 in your wallet, you are more likely to piss your pants and cry like a baby than make a move. Of course, I might be wrong and you'll go for your piece, and the shooting starts. The only problem is that the mother and child in a pusher nearby are caught in a crossfire...and the baby suddenly stops crying.



In the meantime, the number of innocent people being killed by gunfire rises exponentially, et voila, you're one step closer to being American.



Hand over your $99 Seiko and chump change, Joe, and let the police deal with it.



You and a car perturb me enough. You and a gun is positively terrifying.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 08, 2019, 05:37:14 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"I´m not a pussy..





I just like the idea of having an ace up my sleeve.





Like when I go gathering berries.. I like carrying my Winchester with me incase of bears or wolves.


Here's a wild idea.



Don't gather berries where bears live.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Odinson on January 08, 2019, 05:46:29 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Odinson"I´m not a pussy..





I just like the idea of having an ace up my sleeve.





Like when I go gathering berries.. I like carrying my Winchester with me incase of bears or wolves.


Here's a wild idea.



Don't gather berries where bears live.


Which is... Everywhere...
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2019, 05:50:46 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Odinson"I´m not a pussy..





I just like the idea of having an ace up my sleeve.





Like when I go gathering berries.. I like carrying my Winchester with me incase of bears or wolves.


Here's a wild idea.



Don't gather berries where bears live.


Which is... Everywhere...

Bricktop can't relate..



There are lots of bears in Canada and Finland..



None at all in Australia.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 08, 2019, 06:30:08 PM
Nah...all our critters are sweet, friendly, cuddly and tame...



 :001_rolleyes:



I don't relate to bears, it's true.



However, we do have more things that kill you than you do. And the general principle of co-habiting with these critters is to stay well away from where they live. If you happen to have to be in their environment, take appropriate safety precautions (which rarely include carrying a gun). For example, don't fish where salties are known to lurk. If you must go in areas that MIGHT have a saltie around, stay away from the waters edge.



Likewise, be aware of ocean areas where sharks are known to feed, which in our case is pretty much all of it.



And always wear a helmet in forested areas, in case of drop bears.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Gaon on January 08, 2019, 11:10:03 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Gaon"
Quote from: "Bricktop"So you left as a protest?



That rather seems like leaving a movie because you don't like the colour of the seats.

We emigrated not for ourselves, but for our daughter. It's a sacrifice, but if things get ugly back home she won't be caught in the middle of it.



Israel allows dual citizenship, so even after obtaining Canadian citizenship we can always return home and pick up where we left off.

But, you know yourself once you buy a home and your daughter becomes Canadianized you will not return..



My father always thought we would return to  Taiwan once the political situation changed, but we never did.

The longer we stay, the harder it will be to return.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Odinson on January 09, 2019, 09:36:21 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Nah...all our critters are sweet, friendly, cuddly and tame...



 :001_rolleyes:



I don't relate to bears, it's true.



However, we do have more things that kill you than you do. And the general principle of co-habiting with these critters is to stay well away from where they live. If you happen to have to be in their environment, take appropriate safety precautions (which rarely include carrying a gun). For example, don't fish where salties are known to lurk. If you must go in areas that MIGHT have a saltie around, stay away from the waters edge.



Likewise, be aware of ocean areas where sharks are known to feed, which in our case is pretty much all of it.



And always wear a helmet in forested areas, in case of drop bears.


Your big critters are contained.. They only live in certain areas.



And the snakes can be killed with a stick.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 09, 2019, 09:59:24 AM
Don't leave the house ever and call the cops if you've been murdered.  Also have your berries humanely farmed instead of hunting them says Bricktop. It's for your own good!  ac_toofunny



What a baby boomer snowflake fruitcake!
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 11:18:34 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Nah...all our critters are sweet, friendly, cuddly and tame...



 :001_rolleyes:



I don't relate to bears, it's true.



However, we do have more things that kill you than you do. And the general principle of co-habiting with these critters is to stay well away from where they live. If you happen to have to be in their environment, take appropriate safety precautions (which rarely include carrying a gun). For example, don't fish where salties are known to lurk. If you must go in areas that MIGHT have a saltie around, stay away from the waters edge.



Likewise, be aware of ocean areas where sharks are known to feed, which in our case is pretty much all of it.



And always wear a helmet in forested areas, in case of drop bears.

I knew you would say that.

 :laugh:  

Australia has a lot of poisonous creatures.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 09, 2019, 12:42:45 PM
I had a pet redback in the corner of the laundry room for months but she's been missing for days now. I hope a Huntsman didn't eat her. :(
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 09, 2019, 06:03:53 PM
Seems to be a blight of redbacks lately. They're everywhere. I've seen more in the last few months than in the preceding 5 years.



Even in the house, which is rare.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 09, 2019, 09:34:03 PM
There's been a huge lack of Whitetails around here lately and the Huntsmans and Wolf Spiders pretty scarce too. Orbs through everywhere. Always getting clotheslined outside.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 09, 2019, 10:04:15 PM
I HATE that!!! Why don't they spin their webs in trees instead of across driveways and verandah posts.



I'm sure those assholes do it purposely.



"Hey, Cyrus...wanna piss those humans off?"



"Sure"



"Spin your web across those pool gates. Get's em every time!!!"



Fuckers.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 09, 2019, 10:08:43 PM
I hate going out to the vehicle and copping a vertical across the face twice minutes apart in the same damn place, like they're taunting you.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 09, 2019, 10:35:18 PM
They ARE taunting you. As you try to swipe the sticky thread from your face, listen carefully. Somewhere nearby, a couple of Golden Orbs are pissing themselves laughing.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 09, 2019, 10:39:33 PM
It has to be premeditated, right? No spider can replace a web that quick unless they're doing it on purpose and are perched in the perfect spot to quickly shoot silk the moment you're gone.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 10, 2019, 12:45:08 AM
Of course it is.



These northern hemisphere milksops do not understand spiders as Australians do.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 10, 2019, 01:02:37 AM
We're hosting a couple of visiting Americans this year for a week. I'm not telling them about the verandah spiders. It will be more fun watching them clutch their faces and breakdance in horror fits.
Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Bricktop on January 10, 2019, 01:09:05 AM
Show them a pic of a Golden Orb afterwards...



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Title: Re: Guns are good.
Post by: Frood on January 10, 2019, 01:14:24 AM
If we pick them up from the airport at night, I'm going into explicit detail about all the poisonous and aggressive biting spiders that can be found in every nook and cranny, then make sure to have the outdoor lights off and not pull into the front driveway.   :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
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