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General Discussion => The Flea Trap => Topic started by: Bricktop on January 06, 2019, 08:30:21 PM

Title: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Bricktop on January 06, 2019, 08:30:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYbRZmKsZsQ



Scroll through to 20 minutes and see the very beginning of the internet...
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: cc on January 06, 2019, 09:11:38 PM
Interesting stuff



Trying to recall, I got my first home / business PC about 1980, an IBM I think ... used a spreadsheet and a few minor programs .. about 1987 added an IBM text program. That machine cost about 2000 US and because I wanted a wide printer, it was over 2000



In 1990 we went with a  new machine AutoCAD .. crude, very slow to load but intriguing and very useful ... In 91 we used Gary Player golf design firm as a consultant (they were the first to use for golf course design)  .. they gave us files of some of their work so we could do a 4 page  article in the AutoCAD bible at the time, Cadalyst Paper Magazine (now http://www.cadalyst.com/)  .. our claim to fame - (I don't see archived articles on their website)

At that time we used it for the water systems .... later came hydraulic analysis software for calculations etc.



Got a new machine in 1998  .. my first internet use ... and the rest is history
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Frood on January 06, 2019, 09:22:27 PM
As kids we had access to father's 186 laptop then 286 then 386 along with the dialup supplied by his employer.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2019, 10:08:34 PM
I got my first desktop after I registered my first email address in the late 90's. I still drank then , so I can't remember what I used it for.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Bricktop on January 06, 2019, 10:48:53 PM
First used a computer in 1983 for..er...police work. The 10 MEGAbit hard drive cost us $10,000, and it took 40 minutes to load a file. It used CP/M as its OS, as MS-DOS wasn't widely installed then.



However, it did have a crude word processor much like the first Wordstar, and I saw the future.



You wouldn't believe how many senior officers saw no future in computer technology.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2019, 02:16:34 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"First used a computer in 1983 for..er...police work. The 10 MEGAbit hard drive cost us $10,000, and it took 40 minutes to load a file. It used CP/M as its OS, as MS-DOS wasn't widely installed then.



However, it did have a crude word processor much like the first Wordstar, and I saw the future.



You wouldn't believe how many senior officers saw no future in computer technology.

I don't remember a pre MS-DOS world.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 02:38:44 AM
CP/M preceded MS-DOS, although MS-DOS was pretty much the same OS.



All command line driven. No interface but a green screen.



To start a program it was "run wordstar".



Copy, delete and move are all pretty obvious. "cdir" was create a directory (folder in modern parlance), "cd" was change directory...and so on.



The thing was you needed to know all those commands, so the OS manual was always close at hand.



It was like riding a horse and carriage compared to todays modern cars.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Blurt on January 07, 2019, 08:03:58 AM
First PC I bought was a 386 in 1993, fully loaded with MS-DOS 6, Microsoft Windows 3.1, Microsoft Word 6.0, and Netscape Navigator. It had a gorgeous 256-colour SVGA display, a 4X CD-ROM, a 14,400-baud modem card, a 120Mb hard drive, and a whopping 4Mb of RAM (the extra 2 Mb adding over $200 to the machine's $3,200 price tag).



That year, I discovered a shareware game called DOOM and a CD-ROM game called Myst. My grades suffered for a semester or so.



Also in 1993, I created my first e-mail account, surfed my first BBS, and first set up subscriptions to listservs and newsgroups.



My very first contact with personal computers, though, was, as in Leo's case, through my workplace (green prompts, blinking cursors, and command lines, indeed! only ours were orange).



A bygone era.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2019, 11:38:43 AM
I used internet cafes and the library until I saved money from my part time job at Canadian Tire and bought one in 1996.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2019, 03:14:44 PM
I remember my parents bought my sisters and I an Intel with a pentium processor in the early 90's. I played DOOM on it.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2019, 05:50:04 PM
We've been using them in the patch for twenty five years at home and overseas. I bought my first home computer when i was living in Qatar.It was a Compaq Presario 2200. It had 16 MB of EDO DRAM that was expandable. I think the year was 97.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 06:33:04 PM
My first computer had 128 KILOBYTES of ram, and a 800 kb floppy disc drive. Hard drives were far too expensive for home computers.



Oddly, it also had a ROM drive...very similar to the cartridges used in early nintendos. You could buy software on a ROM cartridge that would load rapidly. I was surprised the idea didn't catch on.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2019, 08:45:11 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"My first computer had 128 KILOBYTES of ram, and a 800 kb floppy disc drive. Hard drives were far too expensive for home computers.



Oddly, it also had a ROM drive...very similar to the cartridges used in early nintendos. You could buy software on a ROM cartridge that would load rapidly. I was surprised the idea didn't catch on.

I remember that.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Odinson on January 07, 2019, 09:00:31 PM
I got my first computer back in early 2000s.



It had internet connection.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2019, 09:09:20 PM
When did everyone give up dial up..



We got high speed before we moved to Kazakhstan for one year.,



I believe it was 2002.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 10:49:28 PM
About 1993, if I call correctly.



When they tested the new connection, I got 1Mb in around 10 seconds, and thought it was magical.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Gaon on January 07, 2019, 11:02:57 PM
I was a soldier when my parents got high speed internet in 2001. That's about the same time most Israelis made the switch. The government invested in a big upgrade to the Internet infrastructure in 1999.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2019, 11:25:18 PM
Australia was once ahead of the curve...now we're miles behind it because our LEFTIST government socialised the internet connection infrastructure so that everyone had access to "high speed"...which means, of course, that the higher volumes of traffic slow everything down to the preceding technology.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Berry Sweet on January 07, 2019, 11:56:40 PM
Holy fuck!  You guys are old!   I didnt really start using a computer until after 2000.



We had a Commodore 64 in the 80's, but my dad only bought it for us to play games and learn how to type.  I used it occasionally.



In elm school we had a computer room with Apple computers.  We learned how to type wpm (real fuckin boring) and how to use clip art.



In jr high (early 90's) we had a computer class, I dont even remember what kind of computers??  Iy was more art programs....another boring class.



By mid 90's my sister had her own computer and made love to it 24/7 in her room.  I had no interest in computers at all...I much rather enjoyed my photography and drawing along with going outside with my friends.  I still dont have much interest in computers.  I still havent even set up my computer since I moved and it's been 4 months...I'm actually going to set it up this week, but only so the kid can use it for school work and printer use aswell.



I still dont like electronics to this day.  I'm still I to art, reading and actual book and being outside....I have it all, a PC, lap top, tablets, a google home mini, and I use none of it...weird I guess.  I should perhaps set all this up and start using it, or atleast get my kid using it...the world is changing and she needs to learn how to adapt to this stuff.  I have my new camera and still learning how to use it....I guess I want to set up my PC cause I'm thinking of getting some kind of program to edit my pics for photography...anyone know of a good program? And nothing that costs thousands of dollars...
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Bricktop on January 08, 2019, 12:56:27 AM
Affinity Photo. Does everything Photoshop does and more for around $70 FULL PRICE.



Its a complex beast though, so you may look at something like Luminar, which is much more beginner friendly and easier to use.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Odinson on January 08, 2019, 10:33:27 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"About 1993, if I call correctly.



When they tested the new connection, I got 1Mb in around 10 seconds, and thought it was magical.


This connection downloads a movie 5mb/s..



3 mins and 20secs for a movie thats 1gt size.







Is this connection bad?
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2019, 11:04:01 AM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Bricktop"About 1993, if I call correctly.



When they tested the new connection, I got 1Mb in around 10 seconds, and thought it was magical.


This connection downloads a movie 5mb/s..



3 mins and 20secs for a movie thats 1gt size.







Is this connection bad?

I haven't downloaded a movie in a while.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2019, 03:34:33 PM
We got our first computer when we came to Canada. My parents used it for bookkeeping purposes.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Bricktop on January 08, 2019, 05:10:31 PM
I thought China invented computers.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2019, 05:27:55 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"I thought China invented computers.

Not Charles Babbage.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Bricktop on January 08, 2019, 05:34:42 PM
You mean Chou Li Baobij?
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2019, 05:52:51 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"You mean Chou Li Baobij?

 :laugh:
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Odinson on January 08, 2019, 06:02:43 PM
I thought all electronics were invented in Taiwan.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2019, 06:05:11 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"I thought all electronics were invented in Taiwan.

Not invented there, but a lot of motherboards and chips are manufactured there.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Odinson on January 08, 2019, 06:34:14 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Bricktop"About 1993, if I call correctly.



When they tested the new connection, I got 1Mb in around 10 seconds, and thought it was magical.


This connection downloads a movie 5mb/s..



3 mins and 20secs for a movie thats 1gt size.







Is this connection bad?

I haven't downloaded a movie in a while.


I still download some movies and TV-series..





I got a letter from a legal office demanding me to pay a sum to them or they will sue me for downloading pirated movies.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2019, 06:36:16 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Bricktop"About 1993, if I call correctly.



When they tested the new connection, I got 1Mb in around 10 seconds, and thought it was magical.


This connection downloads a movie 5mb/s..



3 mins and 20secs for a movie thats 1gt size.







Is this connection bad?

I haven't downloaded a movie in a while.


I still download some movies and TV-series..





I got a letter from a legal office demanding me to pay a sum to them or they will sue me for downloading pirated movies.

Are you serious Odi?



I thought only the USA did that.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Bricktop on January 08, 2019, 06:43:10 PM
It's a bluff.



For them to actually impose that payment, they must still comply with the law...which demands that they must prove that the person they are demanding from was the actual person that activated the download.



To do this, they must either have a camera installed in your home to monitor you...or in the real world, you must admit that it was you that activated the download. The fact that you are the consignee of the internet service is insufficient at law to make a case for compensation.



So, do not respond. Do not converse with anyone purporting to be an agent of the claimant. You are under NO legal obligation to answer any questions, or indeed communicate with them at any level. Without your admission, there is no case for prosecution of the claim.



They tried that on in Australia...sending out letters asking questions, and insisting that the questions must be answered or else.



The government told them to cease and desist unless they possess actual evidence that the person they wish to claim from committed the actual download.



That was the end of that.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Odinson on January 08, 2019, 06:53:49 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Bricktop"About 1993, if I call correctly.



When they tested the new connection, I got 1Mb in around 10 seconds, and thought it was magical.


This connection downloads a movie 5mb/s..



3 mins and 20secs for a movie thats 1gt size.







Is this connection bad?

I haven't downloaded a movie in a while.


I still download some movies and TV-series..





I got a letter from a legal office demanding me to pay a sum to them or they will sue me for downloading pirated movies.

Are you serious Odi?



I thought only the USA did that.


They do that a lot in europe..



60000 letters sent to people in Finland alone..





They managed to win one case and now they threaten everybody with that..
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Odinson on January 08, 2019, 07:13:36 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"It's a bluff.



For them to actually impose that payment, they must still comply with the law...which demands that they must prove that the person they are demanding from was the actual person that activated the download.



To do this, they must either have a camera installed in your home to monitor you...or in the real world, you must admit that it was you that activated the download. The fact that you are the consignee of the internet service is insufficient at law to make a case for compensation.



So, do not respond. Do not converse with anyone purporting to be an agent of the claimant. You are under NO legal obligation to answer any questions, or indeed communicate with them at any level. Without your admission, there is no case for prosecution of the claim.



They tried that on in Australia...sending out letters asking questions, and insisting that the questions must be answered or else.



The government told them to cease and desist unless they possess actual evidence that the person they wish to claim from committed the actual download.



That was the end of that.


I figured that they cant prove anything..





I havent answered any of the SEVEN LETTERs they have sent me.







On top of everything... The bill is not in proper form..

You have to specify where the sum is coming from..



They are just demanding some random sum and I´d be a fool to pay it.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Bricktop on January 08, 2019, 07:22:41 PM
Exactly.



Just file their letters in the appropriate waste basket.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Blurt on January 09, 2019, 09:20:42 AM
Berry,



I've used both cheap ass photo editing software like Picasa and expensive software suites like Adobe's Creative Suite components (which include PhotoShop, Premiere, Illustrator, and Dreamweaver, among others).



A happy medium (and the only one I've used over the past few years) is Paint.net, out of the University of Wisconsin. It's a fully-featured photo editor operating under a GNU public license so it's free. Best of all, there's a community of users who create and make available a plethora of plug-ins for download. These plug-ins are optional modules that give you access to a rich variety of filters and effects. Totally worth it.



While there is a bit of a learning curve, it's not steep at all. Best of all, the program is regularly updated. Second best of all, it's not bloatware like the Adobe crap that makes so many modifications to your system files and connectivity protocols just to avoid software piracy.



If you search for Paint.net on Google, use the terms "paint dot net" or you're liable to get a whole bunch of results that have nothing to with the program.



Good luck.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 11:31:07 AM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Bricktop"About 1993, if I call correctly.



When they tested the new connection, I got 1Mb in around 10 seconds, and thought it was magical.


This connection downloads a movie 5mb/s..



3 mins and 20secs for a movie thats 1gt size.







Is this connection bad?

I haven't downloaded a movie in a while.


I still download some movies and TV-series..





I got a letter from a legal office demanding me to pay a sum to them or they will sue me for downloading pirated movies.

Are you serious Odi?



I thought only the USA did that.


They do that a lot in europe..



60000 letters sent to people in Finland alone..





They managed to win one case and now they threaten everybody with that..

 :ohmy:
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Odinson on January 09, 2019, 12:08:35 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Bricktop"About 1993, if I call correctly.



When they tested the new connection, I got 1Mb in around 10 seconds, and thought it was magical.


This connection downloads a movie 5mb/s..



3 mins and 20secs for a movie thats 1gt size.







Is this connection bad?

I haven't downloaded a movie in a while.


I still download some movies and TV-series..





I got a letter from a legal office demanding me to pay a sum to them or they will sue me for downloading pirated movies.

Are you serious Odi?



I thought only the USA did that.


They do that a lot in europe..



60000 letters sent to people in Finland alone..





They managed to win one case and now they threaten everybody with that..

 :ohmy:


The fool posted his personal info on a forum and admitted everything..





I dont think that is enough though for a solid case because some1 else might be posting that stuff..







The legal office was able to build a solid case somehow through confession..
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Bricktop on January 09, 2019, 06:10:05 PM
Confession is the only way they can prove liability.



Say nothing. NOTHING. Don't answer letters, do not speak to any of their agents, do not discuss the issue with anyone.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 06:33:56 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Confession is the only way they can prove liability.



Say nothing. NOTHING. Don't answer letters, do not speak to any of their agents, do not discuss the issue with anyone.

That's what i do when dealing with the cops. ac_drinks
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Bricktop on January 09, 2019, 07:36:56 PM
No, wait...that's different...



Just say "I confess". It will go easier on you.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Frood on January 09, 2019, 11:03:10 PM
Buy a cheap monthly VPN subscription, Odi. Most of the good downloading sites are blocked by Australian court orders so we just go around them. I pay 2 bucks a month for the one on my phone and can cast them to the big screen or transfer with a usb adaptor for the library.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Frood on January 09, 2019, 11:05:43 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"No, wait...that's different...



Just say "I confess". It will go easier on you.


Never talk to the police or invite them into your home or vehicle. Be polite but firm. They're not there to help you.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Bricktop on January 10, 2019, 12:44:05 AM
What are they there for then?
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Frood on January 10, 2019, 01:10:11 AM
To be inefficient, harrass, revenue collect, and pretend to maintain a semblance of order in a world that can and does turn on its head at a drop of a pelican poo.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2019, 02:05:25 AM
Is this thread still about the fist steps of the internet.

 ac_umm
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Frood on January 10, 2019, 02:08:07 AM
Sort of if you meant fists.  ac_biggrin
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2019, 02:15:01 AM
I suppose it's not as annoying as never reading anyone's posts which is JOE's preferred way of trolling us.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Frood on January 10, 2019, 02:15:54 AM
There is that.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Bricktop on January 13, 2019, 08:14:09 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"To be inefficient, harrass, revenue collect, and pretend to maintain a semblance of order in a world that can and does turn on its head at a drop of a pelican poo.


So how would Emperor Aaron deal with crime in the community?
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Frood on January 13, 2019, 08:18:47 PM
Dunno, perhaps ask him? Duh
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Bricktop on January 13, 2019, 09:00:37 PM
I just did, corky.



Answer the question.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Frood on January 14, 2019, 12:15:00 AM
It must be time to take your pills.
Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Bricktop on January 14, 2019, 12:35:51 AM
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Title: Re: The first steps of the internet...
Post by: Frood on January 14, 2019, 01:38:34 AM
Boring but necessary for your head.
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