Title: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Bricktop on January 09, 2019, 01:06:40 AM
Post by: Bricktop on January 09, 2019, 01:06:40 AM
She didn't mention what that rig would have cost back then...probably in the tens of thousands...
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Gaon on January 09, 2019, 01:17:41 AM
Post by: Gaon on January 09, 2019, 01:17:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOsHo-bjbIM
She didn't mention what that rig would have cost back then...probably in the tens of thousands...
I would like to see the marketing at the time behind these products.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 01:25:16 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 01:25:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOsHo-bjbIM
She didn't mention what that rig would have cost back then...probably in the tens of thousands...
That's what it was like..
Very good find Bricktop.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 03:50:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 03:50:02 PM
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 05:10:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 05:10:52 PM
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Bricktop on January 09, 2019, 05:55:05 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 09, 2019, 05:55:05 PM
You could count the dots.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 06:10:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 06:10:02 PM
620x480 pixels.Quote from: "Bricktop"
You could count the dots.
What year was that? I think the old lady got her Kodak 4 megapixel in like 2003.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Bricktop on January 09, 2019, 06:13:39 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 09, 2019, 06:13:39 PM
I had a friend who owned a photographic store that specialised in developing film. He'd invested heavily in top end processing plant and equipment.
Fuji had just released a 1 megapixel camera, and although image quality was questionable, it was obvious that film's days were numbered. He insisted that film cameras would never die out, and digital was a passing fad. He folded about 3 years later.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 06:19:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 06:19:47 PM
Around then, I guess.Quote from: "Bricktop"
I had a friend who owned a photographic store that specialised in developing film. He'd invested heavily in top end processing plant and equipment.
Fuji had just released a 1 megapixel camera, and although image quality was questionable, it was obvious that film's days were numbered. He insisted that film cameras would never die out, and digital was a passing fad. He folded about 3 years later.
That really hurts. I feel for the brother.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Bricktop on January 09, 2019, 07:37:43 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 09, 2019, 07:37:43 PM
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 07:52:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 07:52:06 PM
I remember the first camera the old lady bought in Indonesia. It was a Kodak with four megapixels. It seemed state of the art.Quote from: "Herman"
I bought a three megapixel camera around 2001 or so.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 09, 2019, 08:20:24 PM
Post by: caskur on January 09, 2019, 08:20:24 PM
I remember the first camera the old lady bought in Indonesia. It was a Kodak with four megapixels. It seemed state of the art.Quote from: "Herman"
I bought a three megapixel camera around 2001 or so.
In 2003 I bought a Finepix Fujifilm 2.0 megapixel with proceeds from one of my exhibitions.
I'm holding it now... I might go and see if it still works.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Bricktop on January 09, 2019, 08:26:52 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 09, 2019, 08:26:52 PM
Digital cameras evolved so rapidly in the 2000's...
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 08:33:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 08:33:12 PM
I remember the first camera the old lady bought in Indonesia. It was a Kodak with four megapixels. It seemed state of the art.Quote from: "Herman"
I bought a three megapixel camera around 2001 or so.
In 2003 I bought a Finepix Fujifilm 2.0 megapixel with proceeds from one of my exhibitions.
I'm holding it now... I might go and see if it still works.
You still have it?
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 09, 2019, 09:06:29 PM
Post by: caskur on January 09, 2019, 09:06:29 PM
I got my husband to take some of the front garden...
still shit but when I first got it, I thought it was the bomb...lol
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 09:25:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 09:25:17 PM
1st dirty shot. The lens is filthy.Quote from: "caskur"(//%3C/s%3Ehttps://i.ibb.co/NCX4g8F/DSCF0090.jpg%3Ce%3E)(//https)
I got my husband to take some of the front garden...
still shit but when I first got it, I thought it was the bomb...lol(//%3C/s%3Ehttps://i.ibb.co/HTFz89S/DSCF0091.jpg%3Ce%3E)(//https)
You have a lovely yard caskur.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 09, 2019, 09:26:21 PM
Post by: caskur on January 09, 2019, 09:26:21 PM
My new camera is much better..
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 09, 2019, 09:31:14 PM
Post by: caskur on January 09, 2019, 09:31:14 PM
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 09:35:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 09:35:34 PM
I have a beautiful front garden... but its very unkempt atm...Quote from: "caskur"(//%3C/s%3Ehttps://i.ibb.co/w4rVkD0/P1230226-a.jpg%3Ce%3E)(//https)
Even unkempt, it's still lovely..
In the post your picture thread, I posted a photo of my back yard in winter covered in snow.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Bricktop on January 09, 2019, 10:02:21 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 09, 2019, 10:02:21 PM
Messy things.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 09, 2019, 11:07:45 PM
Post by: caskur on January 09, 2019, 11:07:45 PM
Jacarandas.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Messy things.
Yeah but when it's 40, it's only 30 under them...
And it's a clean mess... The birds love them... I have four in the front but you see two main ones.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 11:09:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 11:09:26 PM
Jacarandas.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Messy things.
The leaves fall off?
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 09, 2019, 11:26:43 PM
Post by: caskur on January 09, 2019, 11:26:43 PM
Jacarandas are native to Brazil.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 11:39:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2019, 11:39:20 PM
Winter... the leaves fall off... then the flowers fall off.Quote from: "caskur"
Jacarandas are native to Brazil.
They look nice even if they are work.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 09, 2019, 11:47:50 PM
Post by: caskur on January 09, 2019, 11:47:50 PM
I have a beautiful front garden... but its very unkempt atm...Quote from: "caskur"(//%3C/s%3Ehttps://i.ibb.co/w4rVkD0/P1230226-a.jpg%3Ce%3E)(//https)
Even unkempt, it's still lovely..
In the post your picture thread, I posted a photo of my back yard in winter covered in snow.
I remember seeing snow recently here but I can't find t?
Could you please post the link.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Bricktop on January 10, 2019, 12:35:56 AM
Post by: Bricktop on January 10, 2019, 12:35:56 AM
Winter... the leaves fall off... then the flowers fall off.Quote from: "caskur"
Jacarandas are native to Brazil.
They look nice even if they are work.
They are not only work for the owner, but every neighbour as well. Leaves don't just fall directly under the tree...nor do the dead flowers.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 10, 2019, 01:04:33 AM
Post by: caskur on January 10, 2019, 01:04:33 AM
Winter... the leaves fall off... then the flowers fall off.Quote from: "caskur"
Jacarandas are native to Brazil.
They look nice even if they are work.
They are not only work for the owner, but every neighbour as well. Leaves don't just fall directly under the tree...nor do the dead flowers.
Don't whine... cleaning up is good exercise.
Get out there and sweep.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Bricktop on January 10, 2019, 01:05:50 AM
Post by: Bricktop on January 10, 2019, 01:05:50 AM
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2019, 02:27:33 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2019, 02:27:33 AM
I remember seeing snow recently here but I can't find t?
Could you please post the link.
Here it is caskur.
And right below the picture of my yard is a picture of my kitty.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 10, 2019, 06:58:43 AM
Post by: caskur on January 10, 2019, 06:58:43 AM
I'm happy to clean up MY mess. Not the jacaranda crap from across the road!!!Quote from: "Bricktop"
Look, this is the biggest problem we have... if everyone thought like like you then no trees would be left... in fact since the world has cleared 85% of the earth's lungs, our trees, our children's future, we have gone past complete ruin.
Do you think birds give a flying crap there are leaves on your drive-way? What are you, an OCD sufferer? You are an OCD sufferer...you must have had military training.
Sorry but I think characters like you should live in apartments and leave the yards to us greenies.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Bricktop on January 11, 2019, 01:11:52 AM
Post by: Bricktop on January 11, 2019, 01:11:52 AM
B. Trees are not efficient recyclers of carbon dioxide.
C. Trees are essential part of the ecosystem, but reducing their numbers will have no impact on breathable air. It will however have other ecological impacts.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 02:44:28 AM
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 02:44:28 AM
The sole problem we have today it 100% caused by reducing the planets forests down to 15% globally.
You cannot take away 85% of the planets trees and expect that not to effect EVERYTHING.
I think the trouble with your generation is, you still think we're living in the good times, the 80s.
Trees in Australia are green all year round, working day and night doing their job. Crops are only green for a short time, then you have a dead lifeless paddock producing nothing except dust and hot air.
Let's see where you are going to be standing on a 40 degree day... in the middle of a paddock or under a tree...pushing the alpacas out of the way?.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Bricktop on January 11, 2019, 03:35:01 AM
Post by: Bricktop on January 11, 2019, 03:35:01 AM
My comments were directly linked to your claim that trees were the lungs of the world and they are not. No trees does NOT equate to no oxygen.
I fully concur that trees are vital to a healthy planet, and I share your horror at the vast swaths of bushland destroyed in Australia in the 20th century.
There is no debate that without trees, many species would become extinct.
However, perhaps you've not been in formed that land clearing in Australia ceased about 50 years ago, unless under Government licence which is issued rarely.
Farmers need permission to clear land, and that is generally only provided to maintain safety in case of fire.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Zetsu on January 11, 2019, 05:24:34 AM
Post by: Zetsu on January 11, 2019, 05:24:34 AM
I have a beautiful front garden... but its very unkempt atm...Quote from: "caskur"(//%3C/s%3Ehttps://i.ibb.co/w4rVkD0/P1230226-a.jpg%3Ce%3E)(//https)
Dun think I've ever seen a garden as nice as yours in my entire life, not exaggerating here... sometimes gardens that are too tidy and well trim seems kind of unnatural to me.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 05:50:47 AM
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 05:50:47 AM
I have a beautiful front garden... but its very unkempt atm...Quote from: "caskur"(//%3C/s%3Ehttps://i.ibb.co/w4rVkD0/P1230226-a.jpg%3Ce%3E)(//https)
Dun think I've ever seen a garden as nice as yours in my entire life, not exaggerating here... sometimes gardens that are too tidy and well trim seems kind of unnatural to me.
Exactly... A saying I picked up in a House and Garden mag 35 years ago, "LET YOUR GARDEN
Thank you for the compliment.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 05:59:57 AM
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 05:59:57 AM
I think it's you that needs the educating; specifically learning to read.Quote from: "Bricktop"
My comments were directly linked to your claim that trees were the lungs of the world and they are not. No trees does NOT equate to no oxygen.
I fully concur that trees are vital to a healthy planet, and I share your horror at the vast swaths of bushland destroyed in Australia in the 20th century.
There is no debate that without trees, many species would become extinct.
However, perhaps you've not been in formed that land clearing in Australia ceased about 50 years ago, unless under Government licence which is issued rarely.
Farmers need permission to clear land, and that is generally only provided to maintain safety in case of fire.
I run a Save the Trees Please on Facebook,... I'm a tad more educated about Australia and our manmade enviroment problems than your average admin.
If I was PM, I'd make it a law that every Australian yard would have to contain at least 6 native plants.
I would instantaneously evict every tree lopper to the Sahara desert and say, "now walk the fuck out"... omg, Hitler would have nothing on me... I'd make Hitler look like a hall monitor in rush hour on Good Friday.
FARMS cause fire... the fires are started in their weed patches and spread to my beautiful bushlands frying our precious birds, insects, retails and mammals.
i want every arsonist hung at noon... Flogged Malaysian style first.
Australian native birds have adjusted to the Jacaranda trees nicely.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 06:45:40 AM
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 06:45:40 AM
No only are no laws obeyed in Oz, they're not policed either.... If laws were obeyed, we'd have no litter problems for starters.
The cops are only interested in fining traffic offenders. Easy pickings.
Why aren't these pricks jailed for stealing our trees and their equipment confiscated?
Australia's endangered forests are being 'stolen' and sold in hardware and office stores
7.30 By environment, science and technology reporter Michael Slezak and the Specialist Reporting Team's Penny Timms
Updated 21 Nov 2018, 11:54am
Thousands of hectares of state forest appear to have been logged or earmarked for logging illegally, an ABC investigation has found, amounting to what some say is the mass "theft" by a government-owned for-profit logging company.
Trees making up some of Victoria's most endangered ecosystems are being felled and turned into building products, paper or wood chips by VicForests, which are then sold in retailers such as Bunnings and Officeworks.
The apparently illegal logging is also threatening the habitats of some of the country's most vulnerable species, including the Leadbeater's possum, Victoria's animal emblem.
In its simplest terms, the trees appear to have been taken illegally by VicForests — since they are not inside the areas it has been granted permission to log.
"If VicForests is logging timber that hasn't been allocated to them, then they're taking and selling timber that doesn't belong to them," said Danya Jacobs, a lawyer at Environmental Justice Australia.
"And another way of putting that is, it's tantamount to stealing timber from public forests."
The Victorian Government determines where VicForests can log in state forests by creating what is known as an "allocation order".
That order includes a map, and the ownership of the timber inside the borders of that map is transferred to VicForests.
According to the Sustainable Forests (Timber) Act 2004, only trees within that allocation can be harvested for sale — and all other timber in state forests remains the property of the Crown.
But VicForests appears to be taking trees from outside its allocation at hundreds of locations across the state.
"It's theft. Essentially these forests belong to all Victorians and by logging them, VicForests is stealing from all Victorians," said Ed Hill, an environmental activist employed by Friends of the Earth.
He was one of the first to notice VicForests was regularly planning logging of timber it did not own.
Data obtained by the ABC's Specialist Reporting Team, and independently analysed, shows it is a practice that has been repeated multiple times, is ongoing, and is planned to continue.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2019, 08:47:56 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2019, 08:47:56 AM
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What kind of bird is that caskur?
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2019, 01:17:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2019, 01:17:23 PM
I'm happy to clean up MY mess. Not the jacaranda crap from across the road!!!Quote from: "Bricktop"
Look, this is the biggest problem we have... if everyone thought like like you then no trees would be left... in fact since the world has cleared 85% of the earth's lungs, our trees, our children's future, we have gone past complete ruin.
Do you think birds give a flying crap there are leaves on your drive-way? What are you, an OCD sufferer? You are an OCD sufferer...you must have had military training.
Sorry but I think characters like you should live in apartments and leave the yards to us greenies.(//%3C/s%3Ehttps://i.ibb.co/d5gPhd1/47476936-2300254636911633-7470685141367521280-n.jpg%3Ce%3E)(//https) total loss formula calculator(//https)
Bingo. The most effective way to reduce C02 emissions is with more forests. Canada is a carbon sink because of all of our forests, but Trudeau is making us the international climate change sacrificial lamb.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 02:22:48 PM
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 02:22:48 PM
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What kind of bird is that caskur?
Red Wattleneck Bird
Red Wattle Bird.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 02:41:28 PM
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 02:41:28 PM
I'm happy to clean up MY mess. Not the jacaranda crap from across the road!!!Quote from: "Bricktop"
Look, this is the biggest problem we have... if everyone thought like like you then no trees would be left... in fact since the world has cleared 85% of the earth's lungs, our trees, our children's future, we have gone past complete ruin.
Do you think birds give a flying crap there are leaves on your drive-way? What are you, an OCD sufferer? You are an OCD sufferer...you must have had military training.
Sorry but I think characters like you should live in apartments and leave the yards to us greenies.(//%3C/s%3Ehttps://i.ibb.co/d5gPhd1/47476936-2300254636911633-7470685141367521280-n.jpg%3Ce%3E)(//https) total loss formula calculator(//https)
Bingo. The most effective way to reduce C02 emissions is with more forests. Canada is a carbon sink because of all of our forests, but Trudeau is making us the international climate change sacrificial lamb.
You should see what the stupid Indonesians are doing...
Brazil, Australia and Indonesia should be ashamed of themselves... It's Criminal Environmental Vandalism.
Check out Indonesia's part...horrendous
Amazon.
Australia's part leaves me speechless... They've destroyed a continent in less that 200 years.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 03:52:29 PM
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 03:52:29 PM
I'm happy to clean up MY mess. Not the jacaranda crap from across the road!!!Quote from: "Bricktop"
Look, this is the biggest problem we have... if everyone thought like like you then no trees would be left... in fact since the world has cleared 85% of the earth's lungs, our trees, our children's future, we have gone past complete ruin.
Do you think birds give a flying crap there are leaves on your drive-way? What are you, an OCD sufferer? You are an OCD sufferer...you must have had military training.
Sorry but I think characters like you should live in apartments and leave the yards to us greenies.(//%3C/s%3Ehttps://i.ibb.co/d5gPhd1/47476936-2300254636911633-7470685141367521280-n.jpg%3Ce%3E)(//https) total loss formula calculator(//https)
Bingo. The most effective way to reduce C02 emissions is with more forests. Canada is a carbon sink because of all of our forests, but Trudeau is making us the international climate change sacrificial lamb.
New post, top of page... a video I can't repost here...
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2019, 04:10:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2019, 04:10:24 PM
You should see what the stupid Indonesians are doing...
Brazil, Australia and Indonesia should be ashamed of themselves... It's Criminal Environmental Vandalism.
Check out Indonesia's part...horrendoushttps://amazonaid.org/mapping-deforestation-google-earth/
Amazon.https://amazonaid.org/mapping-deforestation-google-earth/
Australia's part leaves me speechless... They've destroyed a continent in less that 200 years.
I have read a little about this, some of it here..
I understand the desire of developing countries to want to use the land to improve their living standards..
it's too bad they can't develop and maintain the earth's critically important rain forests.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 04:15:43 PM
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 04:15:43 PM
You should see what the stupid Indonesians are doing...
Brazil, Australia and Indonesia should be ashamed of themselves... It's Criminal Environmental Vandalism.
Check out Indonesia's part...horrendoushttps://amazonaid.org/mapping-deforestation-google-earth/
Amazon.https://amazonaid.org/mapping-deforestation-google-earth/
Australia's part leaves me speechless... They've destroyed a continent in less that 200 years.
I have read a little about this, some of it here..
I understand the desire of developing countries to want to use the land to improve their living standards..
it's too bad they can't develop and maintain the earth's critically important rain forests.
They are morons... and Indonesia is hardly a "developing country" that's a furphy.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 04:20:17 PM
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2019, 04:20:17 PM
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2019, 08:27:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2019, 08:27:44 PM
Jakarta VVV looks like it is way past developing, wouldn't you say?Quote from: "caskur"(//%3C/s%3Ehttps://i.ibb.co/6R3kJtg/shutterstock-407195176.jpg%3Ce%3E)(//https)
Third world countries usually have great wealth next to terrible poverty..
This is life for millions of people in Jakarta.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 12, 2019, 03:13:31 AM
Post by: caskur on January 12, 2019, 03:13:31 AM
And their children are better educated there... We baby our young, they make theirs work hard acedemically.
My Aunty was invited to a school there and put exercoses on the board her grandchildren back home in Australia were doing. The Indonesians kids laughed telling my Aunty they were way ahead of that stage.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2019, 12:28:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2019, 12:28:06 PM
There's not as much poverty there, as portrayed.Quote from: "caskur"
And their children are better educated there... We baby our young, they make theirs work hard acedemically.
My Aunty was invited to a school there and put exercoses on the board her grandchildren back home in Australia were doing. The Indonesians kids laughed telling my Aunty they were way ahead of that stage.
Both the Philippines and Indonesia have beautiful skyscrapers in their capital city and a couple of kilometres away thousands of people living on fifty dollars a month in shacks with no plumbing.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 12, 2019, 05:35:07 PM
Post by: caskur on January 12, 2019, 05:35:07 PM
There's not as much poverty there, as portrayed.Quote from: "caskur"
And their children are better educated there... We baby our young, they make theirs work hard acedemically.
My Aunty was invited to a school there and put exercoses on the board her grandchildren back home in Australia were doing. The Indonesians kids laughed telling my Aunty they were way ahead of that stage.
Both the Philippines and Indonesia have beautiful skyscrapers in their capital city and a couple of kilometres away thousands of people living on fifty dollars a month in shacks with no plumbing.
That doesn't mean anything in Indonesia... They go around pretending to be poor and hide gold.
My Aunty lived in a village in Bali for 3 months and security walked around all night,... My aunty said to her husband to be, "why do we have security walking around all the time?" Manseur said, "protect the gold"
Smart people do NOT walk around looking wealthy in Indonesia or the Phillippines. ... They don't want their throats cut over a bit of gold or silver.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: Zetsu on January 12, 2019, 11:38:11 PM
Post by: Zetsu on January 12, 2019, 11:38:11 PM
Jakarta VVV looks like it is way past developing, wouldn't you say?Quote from: "caskur"(//%3C/s%3Ehttps://i.ibb.co/6R3kJtg/shutterstock-407195176.jpg%3Ce%3E)(//https)
Tbh a lot of coastal cities in China looked better than this 20 years ago, plus it's always easy to fix hardware by building a few concrete high rise, but software(social, moral, GDP per capita etc) is the hardest part for a nation to tackle. Not to mention Jakarta gets a really bad flooding every year b/c the locals dumped too much garbage in their own river.
Title: Re: Digital photography at its birth
Post by: caskur on January 13, 2019, 12:50:40 AM
Post by: caskur on January 13, 2019, 12:50:40 AM
Singapore fixed littering with flogging decades ago.