I saved this to about Canada.
I found this in my archives at Avant-garde. I thought I should repost it and see what the Canadian members think.
It is time for immigration reform in Canada. Canada is being overwhelmed with immigrants and the time is now.
The cost of immigration outweighs any conceivable benefit that can come from it. Aside from the monetary cost of immigration we have to contend with the increased load on our infrastructure, schools, housing, social services, judicial system, and is drastically changing the cultural makeup of our country.
Canada lets in more then 250,000 immigrants ever year. Most of who settle in the already crowded urban centers of Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal.
Annually, Canada spends over $4 billion a year on our immigration program, including money for welfare, legal aid, health and dental care, and language training.
Aside from the monetary costs, mass immigration puts a tremendous strain on Canadian society, health, housing and infrastructure. All the Canadian social programs, from Health Care to Welfare, Employment Insurance to Education, require Canadians to pay a lifetime of taxes to work properly.
Immigrants have not paid into these programs before they start to take from them, this "shock load" of 250,000 people a year causes serious overcrowding and workload problems for all of our social services.
A major issue of great importance to all Canadians is our health care system. Our current health care system is stretched beyond its limits with doctor shortages, under funding and long line ups in hospitals nation wide.
According to the Fraser Institute, Canadian health care premiums will need to triple by 2008 in order to maintain current health care standards. The reason health care funding will need to increase so much is because of the drastic increase in patient load every year. With a quarter of a million new people to care for and no new funding to cover the costs, our hospital system is destined to further deteriorate over time. Without the massive annual increase in patient load, our hospitals can maintain our current level care and seek reasonable ways to improve health care.
Another issue linked to mass immigration is infectious diseases. In recent years the spread of drug resistant tuberculosis, Aids, Malaria, SARS, and even an Ebola scare in Hamilton in 2000. The flood of diseases associated with mass immigration puts all Canadians in grave risk of infection and drastically increases the costs of our health care system.
A hot issue in major cities today is the housing problem. Places to live, like a commodity, follow the rules of "supply and demand". The increase in demand of housing, coupled with a shortage of supply, causes housing costs to skyrocket.
250,000 immigrants every year need housing. That is roughly enough houses to resettle the cities of Kitchener / Waterloo, every year! Such a great demand for housing drives prices up, drives availability of affordable housing down and causes serious problems such as homelessness. Without 250,000 more people to house every year we could make a serious effort to increase affordable housing and lower the cost of living for average Canadians.
Recent statistics have shown 25% of recent immigrants enroll in public education, this means 62,500 more people using the already under-funded public school system. Many school boards complain of over crowding, high student to teacher ratio and outdated facilities. First and foremost, we have a responsibility to Canadian children to give them the best education
possible. We cannot do this with over crowded and under funded schools. The easiest solution to this would be a moratorium on immigration.
Like traffic jams? You'll love immigration! 250,000 more people a year takes up a lot of space on the roads and highways. Our infrastructure was not designed to increase traffic load by a quarter of a million a year. One method to reduce the traffic on our streets and the crowding on public transit to do decrease the annual growth in their usage – this means
stopping immigration.
Another very controversial aspect of immigration is crime. Though few care to admit it, there is a correlation between immigration and crime. Organized crime rings, gangs and drug runners find Canada a heaven. In some cases, entire gangs from certain countries move to Canada in order to extend the reach of their crime rings. Sadly, due to Canadian hate laws, specific examples cannot legally be mentioned.
Canada has recently earned the dubious title of terrorist heaven. Many terrorist groups from all over the world setup funding networks and training camps right here in Canada. Our immigration system has failed, countless times, to detect these terrorists or deport them once they arrive. Unless Canada wishes to suffer the same fate as Afghanistan (formerly the worlds premier terrorist heaven) we need serious immigration reform now!
There have been many politicians who have used petty justifications regarding our excessive immigration policy. Here are some of the falsehoods we have been beguiled with:
"Immigration is good for the economy." Hardly, Canada's unemployment rate sits at around 7.4% - One of the highest unemployment rates in the Western World. With such high unemployment, do we really need to flood the market with more laborers
"Immigrants bring skills that we need in this country." Unless the skill they refer to is the great skill of voting Liberal, this is another falsehood. Canada is not only quite capable of producing its own skilled labor; we have a surplus of skilled laborers. With many skilled college and university graduates not able to find work in there specific fields and with
60% of recent skilled immigrants not able to find work in their fields it is completely unreasonable to say we have a shortage of skilled workers. Some say we need more doctors and nurses. This is true, however, if we reduce the load on our existing doctors and nurses with a moratorium on immigration we will soon find the need for more doctors and nurses will quickly dry up.
"Canada is under populated." This notion was true up until the 1930's when Canada became fully settled. Currently over 80% of Canadians live in urban centers with populations over 10,000 and there is still an urban migration of rural residents. This being the case, how can one assume we're under populated when the vase majority of people live in urban centers? If Canada we're under populated the trend would be reversed, people would be leaving urban centers for the rural areas. Clearly the notion of under population is
vastly outdated.
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Some will contend that immigration reform is racist. This is pure non-sense. Immigration reform has nothing to do with the race of the people coming in and it does not mean we have any animosity towards those arriving.
All immigration reform means is that we, the people of Canada, recognize the governments' immigration policy is so taxing on Canada that it negates any possible benefit. Canada does not need 250,000 more people a year, we don't even need 50,000 more a year. Canada needs a break from immigration so those who have immigrated recently can get settled, so our hospitals can catch up, so we can solve our housing problems, so we can improve our infrastructure, and so our economy can catch up. At that point, once we have resolved these
issues, then we can take a serious look at immigration and accurately match our needs with the numbers we receive.
We, the undersigned citizens of Canada, ask the Canadian government to impose a five year moratorium on immigration until there is a genuine need for more immigrants. Also, the government must seek popular approval of immigration rates from the citizens of Canada via a referendum should the need ever arise to increase immigration.
http://www.canadianheritagealliance.com/....m-petition.html
I was always under the impression that Canada's immigration brings to this country talented people who are an economic boon.
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When people are invited to join, yes, of course its a boon... but when the infrastructure cannot keep up to a flood of migration, it becomes a problem.
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When people are invited to join, yes, of course its a boon... but when the infrastructure cannot keep up to a flood of migration, it becomes a problem.
ac_dunno
It's interesting because that was written in 2004 and people were worried then...
THIS is the key to everyone's worry...
Quote from: "caskur"
Canada lets in more then 250,000 immigrants ever year. Most of who settle in the already crowded urban centers of Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal.
Annually, Canada spends over $4 billion a year on our immigration program, including money for welfare, legal aid, health and dental care, and language training.
Aside from the monetary costs, mass immigration puts a tremendous strain on Canadian society, health, housing and infrastructure. All the Canadian social programs, from Health Care to Welfare, Employment Insurance to Education, require Canadians to pay a lifetime of taxes to work properly.
Immigrants have not paid into these programs before they start to take from them, this "shock load" of 250,000 people a year causes serious overcrowding and workload problems for all of our social services.
A major issue of great importance to all Canadians is our health care system. Our current health care system is stretched beyond its limits with doctor shortages, under funding and long line ups in hospitals nation wide.
According to the Fraser Institute, Canadian health care premiums will need to triple by 2008 in order to maintain current health care standards. The reason health care funding will need to increase so much is because of the drastic increase in patient load every year. With a quarter of a million new people to care for and no new funding to cover the costs, our hospital system is destined to further deteriorate over time. Without the massive annual increase in patient load, our hospitals can maintain our current level care and seek reasonable ways to improve health care.
Another issue linked to mass immigration is infectious diseases. In recent years the spread of drug resistant tuberculosis, Aids, Malaria, SARS, and even an Ebola scare in Hamilton in 2000. The flood of diseases associated with mass immigration puts all Canadians in grave risk of infection and drastically increases the costs of our health care system.
A hot issue in major cities today is the housing problem. Places to live, like a commodity, follow the rules of "supply and demand". The increase in demand of housing, coupled with a shortage of supply, causes housing costs to skyrocket.
250,000 immigrants every year need housing. That is roughly enough houses to resettle the cities of Kitchener / Waterloo, every year! Such a great demand for housing drives prices up, drives availability of affordable housing down and causes serious problems such as homelessness. Without 250,000 more people to house every year we could make a serious effort to increase affordable housing and lower the cost of living for average Canadians.
Recent statistics have shown 25% of recent immigrants enroll in public education, this means 62,500 more people using the already under-funded public school system. Many school boards complain of over crowding, high student to teacher ratio and outdated facilities. First and foremost, we have a responsibility to Canadian children to give them the best education
possible. We cannot do this with over crowded and under funded schools. The easiest solution to this would be a moratorium on immigration.
Like traffic jams? You'll love immigration! 250,000 more people a year takes up a lot of space on the roads and highways. Our infrastructure was not designed to increase traffic load by a quarter of a million a year. One method to reduce the traffic on our streets and the crowding on public transit to do decrease the annual growth in their usage – this means
stopping immigration.
Another very controversial aspect of immigration is crime. Though few care to admit it, there is a correlation between immigration and crime. Organized crime rings, gangs and drug runners find Canada a heaven. In some cases, entire gangs from certain countries move to Canada in order to extend the reach of their crime rings. Sadly, due to Canadian hate laws, specific examples cannot legally be mentioned.
Canada has recently earned the dubious title of terrorist heaven. Many terrorist groups from all over the world setup funding networks and training camps right here in Canada. Our immigration system has failed, countless times, to detect these terrorists or deport them once they arrive. Unless Canada wishes to suffer the same fate as Afghanistan (formerly the worlds premier terrorist heaven) we need serious immigration reform now!
There have been many politicians who have used petty justifications regarding our excessive immigration policy. Here are some of the falsehoods we have been beguiled with]
I don't believe this. Canada's health care and pension plan would go bust without immigration. Our GDP would shrink. investment would dwindle, there would be a shortage of medical professionals, schools would be forced to close and taxes would go up even higher and faster than they already are.
I too question the source Seoul.
Caskur is a moron.
Who else would post articles from a white supremacist group on a forum run by an Asian admin?
Next thing you know, she'll be referencing the Bible as a guide to daily living.
Its former leader, Melissa Guille, denied that the organization was a hate group, and contends that the group and its website are concerned about "keeping Canada for Canadians" and "removing the anti-white sentiment in society". A 2001 report from B'nai Brith Canada said the CHA "seems to be an attempt to fill the void left by the diminishing Heritage Front". Staff Sgt. Gary Askin of the Waterloo Regional Police Service argued that the CHA was "promoting white supremacy under the guise of white pride."
In 2001, the CHA tried to gain exposure by joining the adopt-a-road program to clean debris along highways near Cambridge, Ontario. The Waterloo Region soon expelled the CHA from the program. In 2004, the CHA achieved notoriety for distributing flyers in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on Canada Day. One pamphlet complained about Canadian immigration policy and another featured a picture of a white woman, with the title "Love Your Race". The group has adopted the 2004 New Orleans Protocol for promoting White nationalism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Heritage_Alliance
The web site no longer exists.
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Who else would post articles from a white supremacist group on a forum run by an Asian admin?
Next thing you know, she'll be referencing the Bible as a guide to daily living.
Its former leader, Melissa Guille, denied that the organization was a hate group, and contends that the group and its website are concerned about "keeping Canada for Canadians" and "removing the anti-white sentiment in society". A 2001 report from B'nai Brith Canada said the CHA "seems to be an attempt to fill the void left by the diminishing Heritage Front". Staff Sgt. Gary Askin of the Waterloo Regional Police Service argued that the CHA was "promoting white supremacy under the guise of white pride."
In 2001, the CHA tried to gain exposure by joining the adopt-a-road program to clean debris along highways near Cambridge, Ontario. The Waterloo Region soon expelled the CHA from the program. In 2004, the CHA achieved notoriety for distributing flyers in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on Canada Day. One pamphlet complained about Canadian immigration policy and another featured a picture of a white woman, with the title "Love Your Race". The group has adopted the 2004 New Orleans Protocol for promoting White nationalism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Heritage_Alliance
I like caskur and I give her the benefit of the doubt that she thought the article is legitimate.
Don't get me wrong, Fash; I like Caskur, too.
She's still a moron, though.
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She's still a moron, though.
I have a bond with caskur and cc that only the three of us can possibly understand..
I think you know what I'm talking about Blurt.
I know what you're talking about, Fash.
Does this bond entitle her to call people she doesn't even know "morons," though?
I doubt it. And, I think, so do you.
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Does this bond entitle her to call people she doesn't even know "morons," though?
I doubt it. And, I think, so do you.
Special bond, an opinion about intelligence, what's more important..
To me it's the former, but I understand if others say the latter.
The number of skilled immigrants permitted to land each year should be slashed by 70%. All illegal border crossers should be returned to the states. Nobody should be allowed to seek asylum from within Canada and nobody granted refugee status should be allowed to become permanent residents without going through the same process as skilled migrants.
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As a immigrant myself I too have to 120% agree the system is currently a mess, the rate is way to fast, a lot of people I know tries to come in as refugees, while many immigrants aren't even that really valuable or loyal to Canada, anyone that tries to bash White people like instigator(a old forum troll) don't deserve to live here and should go back to Vietnam.
It makes me pretty sad everywhere I go now I can hardly find any White Canadians, not to mention a lot of immigrants are just ignorant people just giving other Canadians a lot of problems, let them come to Canada and they pay back by bringing their 3rd world sh*thole problems with them.
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As a immigrant myself I too have to 120% agree the system is currently a mess, the rate is way to fast, a lot of people I know tries to come in as refugees, while many immigrants aren't even that really valuable or loyal to Canada, anyone that tries to bash White people like instigator(a old forum troll) don't deserve to live here and should go back to Vietnam.
It makes me pretty sad everywhere I go now I can hardly find any White Canadians, not to mention a lot of immigrants are just ignorant people just giving other Canadians a lot of problems, let them come to Canada and they pay back by bringing their 3rd world sh*thole problems with them.
As a very recent immigrant, I agree with you and iron horse jockey. My wife and I had to go through a rigorous and costly process to come to Canada as landed immigrants. Why should someone from El Salvado for example be allowed to just walk across the border and become a citizen. It's a slap in the face to people who came to Canada through proper channels.
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As a immigrant myself I too have to 120% agree the system is currently a mess, the rate is way to fast, a lot of people I know tries to come in as refugees, while many immigrants aren't even that really valuable or loyal to Canada, anyone that tries to bash White people like instigator(a old forum troll) don't deserve to live here and should go back to Vietnam.
It makes me pretty sad everywhere I go now I can hardly find any White Canadians, not to mention a lot of immigrants are just ignorant people just giving other Canadians a lot of problems, let them come to Canada and they pay back by bringing their 3rd world sh*thole problems with them.
As a very recent immigrant, I agree with you and iron horse jockey. My wife and I had to go through a rigorous and costly process to come to Canada as landed immigrants. Why should someone from El Salvado for example be allowed to just walk across the border and become a citizen. It's a slap in the face to people who came to Canada through proper channels.
I'm with ya Gaon, imo a small amount of immigration to keep Canada experienced and healthy is ok and makes sense, but any further that cheapenize the identity of Canadians is really hard for me to accept, and like you say it really is a huge insult to you and my parents and others worked hard to come to Canada. I still remember when I was a kid my mom never has to lock teh front door of the house, it might be hard to believe but that was what Canada was like before the liberals opened the doors and let all the unqualified or troublesome ones into the country.
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Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
As a immigrant myself I too have to 120% agree the system is currently a mess, the rate is way to fast, a lot of people I know tries to come in as refugees, while many immigrants aren't even that really valuable or loyal to Canada, anyone that tries to bash White people like instigator(a old forum troll) don't deserve to live here and should go back to Vietnam.
It makes me pretty sad everywhere I go now I can hardly find any White Canadians, not to mention a lot of immigrants are just ignorant people just giving other Canadians a lot of problems, let them come to Canada and they pay back by bringing their 3rd world sh*thole problems with them.
As a very recent immigrant, I agree with you and iron horse jockey. My wife and I had to go through a rigorous and costly process to come to Canada as landed immigrants. Why should someone from El Salvado for example be allowed to just walk across the border and become a citizen. It's a slap in the face to people who came to Canada through proper channels.
I'm with ya Gaon, imo a small amount of immigration to keep Canada experienced and healthy is ok and makes sense, but any further that cheapenize the identity of Canadians is really hard for me to accept, and like you say it really is a huge insult to you and my parents and others worked hard to come to Canada. I still remember when I was a kid my mom never has to lock teh front door of the house, it might be hard to believe but that was what Canada was like before the liberals opened the doors and let all the unqualified or troublesome ones into the country.
Native born Canadians don't seem to have a problem with irregular immigration as our prime minister calls it..
Immigrants are morally outraged by it.
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As a immigrant myself I too have to 120% agree the system is currently a mess, the rate is way to fast, a lot of people I know tries to come in as refugees, while many immigrants aren't even that really valuable or loyal to Canada, anyone that tries to bash White people like instigator(a old forum troll) don't deserve to live here and should go back to Vietnam.
It makes me pretty sad everywhere I go now I can hardly find any White Canadians, not to mention a lot of immigrants are just ignorant people just giving other Canadians a lot of problems, let them come to Canada and they pay back by bringing their 3rd world sh*thole problems with them.
As a very recent immigrant, I agree with you and iron horse jockey. My wife and I had to go through a rigorous and costly process to come to Canada as landed immigrants. Why should someone from El Salvado for example be allowed to just walk across the border and become a citizen. It's a slap in the face to people who came to Canada through proper channels.
I'm with ya Gaon, imo a small amount of immigration to keep Canada experienced and healthy is ok and makes sense, but any further that cheapenize the identity of Canadians is really hard for me to accept, and like you say it really is a huge insult to you and my parents and others worked hard to come to Canada. I still remember when I was a kid my mom never has to lock teh front door of the house, it might be hard to believe but that was what Canada was like before the liberals opened the doors and let all the unqualified or troublesome ones into the country.
Native born Canadians don't seem to have a problem with irregular immigration as our prime minister calls it..
Immigrants are morally outraged by it.
I'm kind of confused, do you mean to say immigrants get offended from our PM saying our immigration system is irregular or it's teh other way around? :confused1:
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Quote from: "Blurt"
Who else would post articles from a white supremacist group on a forum run by an Asian admin?
Next thing you know, she'll be referencing the Bible as a guide to daily living.
Its former leader, Melissa Guille, denied that the organization was a hate group, and contends that the group and its website are concerned about "keeping Canada for Canadians" and "removing the anti-white sentiment in society". A 2001 report from B'nai Brith Canada said the CHA "seems to be an attempt to fill the void left by the diminishing Heritage Front". Staff Sgt. Gary Askin of the Waterloo Regional Police Service argued that the CHA was "promoting white supremacy under the guise of white pride."
In 2001, the CHA tried to gain exposure by joining the adopt-a-road program to clean debris along highways near Cambridge, Ontario. The Waterloo Region soon expelled the CHA from the program. In 2004, the CHA achieved notoriety for distributing flyers in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on Canada Day. One pamphlet complained about Canadian immigration policy and another featured a picture of a white woman, with the title "Love Your Race". The group has adopted the 2004 New Orleans Protocol for promoting White nationalism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Heritage_Alliance
I like caskur and I give her the benefit of the doubt that she thought the article is legitimate.
There was a guy named Darling Dazzler on msn groups renouned for posting news articles from off beat sites. That is where I got this article. I liked this article because it fit with my current concern at the time about what they were doing in my country. I thought, the Canadians have the same concerns.
I want propper debates about real issues. I don't like labeling people concerned about immigration to be called racists when they aren't. Every country benefits from immigration but how would we like to be Germany having 1,000,000 foreigners hosted on your shores in one go? I would absolutely freak out if that happened to us.
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As a immigrant myself I too have to 120% agree the system is currently a mess, the rate is way to fast, a lot of people I know tries to come in as refugees, while many immigrants aren't even that really valuable or loyal to Canada, anyone that tries to bash White people like instigator(a old forum troll) don't deserve to live here and should go back to Vietnam.
It makes me pretty sad everywhere I go now I can hardly find any White Canadians, not to mention a lot of immigrants are just ignorant people just giving other Canadians a lot of problems, let them come to Canada and they pay back by bringing their 3rd world sh*thole problems with them.
As a very recent immigrant, I agree with you and iron horse jockey. My wife and I had to go through a rigorous and costly process to come to Canada as landed immigrants. Why should someone from El Salvado for example be allowed to just walk across the border and become a citizen. It's a slap in the face to people who came to Canada through proper channels.
I'm with ya Gaon, imo a small amount of immigration to keep Canada experienced and healthy is ok and makes sense, but any further that cheapenize the identity of Canadians is really hard for me to accept, and like you say it really is a huge insult to you and my parents and others worked hard to come to Canada. I still remember when I was a kid my mom never has to lock teh front door of the house, it might be hard to believe but that was what Canada was like before the liberals opened the doors and let all the unqualified or troublesome ones into the country.
Native born Canadians don't seem to have a problem with irregular immigration as our prime minister calls it..
Immigrants are morally outraged by it.
I'm kind of confused, do you mean to say immigrants get offended from our PM saying our immigration system is irregular or it's teh other way around? :confused1:
I mean immigrants who came through the regular immigration process are usually opposed to people simply walking across the border and getting immediate entry..
People born in Canada don't seem to have as much problem with irregular or illegal border crossers as immigrants do.
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As a immigrant myself I too have to 120% agree the system is currently a mess, the rate is way to fast, a lot of people I know tries to come in as refugees, while many immigrants aren't even that really valuable or loyal to Canada, anyone that tries to bash White people like instigator(a old forum troll) don't deserve to live here and should go back to Vietnam.
It makes me pretty sad everywhere I go now I can hardly find any White Canadians, not to mention a lot of immigrants are just ignorant people just giving other Canadians a lot of problems, let them come to Canada and they pay back by bringing their 3rd world sh*thole problems with them.
As a very recent immigrant, I agree with you and iron horse jockey. My wife and I had to go through a rigorous and costly process to come to Canada as landed immigrants. Why should someone from El Salvado for example be allowed to just walk across the border and become a citizen. It's a slap in the face to people who came to Canada through proper channels.
I'm with ya Gaon, imo a small amount of immigration to keep Canada experienced and healthy is ok and makes sense, but any further that cheapenize the identity of Canadians is really hard for me to accept, and like you say it really is a huge insult to you and my parents and others worked hard to come to Canada. I still remember when I was a kid my mom never has to lock teh front door of the house, it might be hard to believe but that was what Canada was like before the liberals opened the doors and let all the unqualified or troublesome ones into the country.
Native born Canadians don't seem to have a problem with irregular immigration as our prime minister calls it..
Immigrants are morally outraged by it.
I'm kind of confused, do you mean to say immigrants get offended from our PM saying our immigration system is irregular or it's teh other way around? :confused1:
I mean immigrants who came through the regular immigration process are usually opposed to people simply walking across the border and getting immediate entry..
People born in Canada don't seem to have as much problem with irregular or illegal border crossers as immigrants do.
I am one of those immigrants who has a big problem with queue jumpers.
I can jump on that wagon. My parents and I did it legal ... the ONLY way it should be allowed
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Anything less than legal is an insult to immigrants that followed the rules.
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People born in Canada don't seem to have as much problem with irregular or illegal border crossers as immigrants do.
Or perhaps they keep their real feelings about the subject closed inside themselves.
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People born in Canada don't seem to have as much problem with irregular or illegal border crossers as immigrants do.
Or perhaps they keep their real feelings about the subject closed inside themselves.
Possibly, but immigrants that oppose illegal or irregular immigration don't seem to hide their feelings.
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People born in Canada don't seem to have as much problem with irregular or illegal border crossers as immigrants do.
Or perhaps they keep their real feelings about the subject closed inside themselves.
Possibly, but immigrants that oppose illegal or irregular immigration don't seem to hide their feelings.
It disgusts Olga and I.
I do not blame legal immigrants one bit for complaining. In the old days there were rigorous rules they had to comply to, to migrate... but immigrants traditionally were from Europe with supposed Judeo-Christian values and that's why it worked.
Wars have caused the problems we have today... the war in Syria being the worst imo. No one middle class in their country wants to move and leave their extended families and go off to a foreign place where they aren't wanted.
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As a immigrant myself I too have to 120% agree the system is currently a mess, the rate is way to fast, a lot of people I know tries to come in as refugees, while many immigrants aren't even that really valuable or loyal to Canada, anyone that tries to bash White people like instigator(a old forum troll) don't deserve to live here and should go back to Vietnam.
It makes me pretty sad everywhere I go now I can hardly find any White Canadians, not to mention a lot of immigrants are just ignorant people just giving other Canadians a lot of problems, let them come to Canada and they pay back by bringing their 3rd world sh*thole problems with them.
As a very recent immigrant, I agree with you and iron horse jockey. My wife and I had to go through a rigorous and costly process to come to Canada as landed immigrants. Why should someone from El Salvado for example be allowed to just walk across the border and become a citizen. It's a slap in the face to people who came to Canada through proper channels.
I'm with ya Gaon, imo a small amount of immigration to keep Canada experienced and healthy is ok and makes sense, but any further that cheapenize the identity of Canadians is really hard for me to accept, and like you say it really is a huge insult to you and my parents and others worked hard to come to Canada. I still remember when I was a kid my mom never has to lock teh front door of the house, it might be hard to believe but that was what Canada was like before the liberals opened the doors and let all the unqualified or troublesome ones into the country.
Native born Canadians don't seem to have a problem with irregular immigration as our prime minister calls it..
Immigrants are morally outraged by it.
I'm kind of confused, do you mean to say immigrants get offended from our PM saying our immigration system is irregular or it's teh other way around? :confused1:
I mean immigrants who came through the regular immigration process are usually opposed to people simply walking across the border and getting immediate entry..
People born in Canada don't seem to have as much problem with irregular or illegal border crossers as immigrants do.
Tbh I find that kind of true, lots of kids that grew up here never seem to experience the challege and sacrifice of applying for Canadian citizenship and have taken the West for granted. Usually it's the parents that understands while a lot of the kids in school are brainwashed by left winger media and stuff. ac_unsure
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As a immigrant myself I too have to 120% agree the system is currently a mess, the rate is way to fast, a lot of people I know tries to come in as refugees, while many immigrants aren't even that really valuable or loyal to Canada, anyone that tries to bash White people like instigator(a old forum troll) don't deserve to live here and should go back to Vietnam.
It makes me pretty sad everywhere I go now I can hardly find any White Canadians, not to mention a lot of immigrants are just ignorant people just giving other Canadians a lot of problems, let them come to Canada and they pay back by bringing their 3rd world sh*thole problems with them.
As a very recent immigrant, I agree with you and iron horse jockey. My wife and I had to go through a rigorous and costly process to come to Canada as landed immigrants. Why should someone from El Salvado for example be allowed to just walk across the border and become a citizen. It's a slap in the face to people who came to Canada through proper channels.
I'm with ya Gaon, imo a small amount of immigration to keep Canada experienced and healthy is ok and makes sense, but any further that cheapenize the identity of Canadians is really hard for me to accept, and like you say it really is a huge insult to you and my parents and others worked hard to come to Canada. I still remember when I was a kid my mom never has to lock teh front door of the house, it might be hard to believe but that was what Canada was like before the liberals opened the doors and let all the unqualified or troublesome ones into the country.
Native born Canadians don't seem to have a problem with irregular immigration as our prime minister calls it..
Immigrants are morally outraged by it.
I'm kind of confused, do you mean to say immigrants get offended from our PM saying our immigration system is irregular or it's teh other way around? :confused1:
I mean immigrants who came through the regular immigration process are usually opposed to people simply walking across the border and getting immediate entry..
People born in Canada don't seem to have as much problem with irregular or illegal border crossers as immigrants do.
Tbh I find that kind of true, lots of kids that grew up here never seem to experience the challege and sacrifice of applying for Canadian citizenship and have taken the West for granted. Usually it's the parents that understands while a lot of the kids in school are brainwashed by left winger media and stuff. ac_unsure
There's a certain apathy among people born in Canada or Australia.
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People born in Canada don't seem to have as much problem with irregular or illegal border crossers as immigrants do.
Or perhaps they keep their real feelings about the subject closed inside themselves.
Possibly, but immigrants that oppose illegal or irregular immigration don't seem to hide their feelings.
It disgusts Olga and I.
Olga? Your wife must be a native Spanish speaker.
Olga is Eastern European or Russian, no?
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Well duh.
Oh, you were joking. Fair enough.
I wonder if that was a mistake or Gaon did intend to post his wife's name.
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It's a pretty common name. No harm no foul.
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That's what I think too..
I don't want to edit out a name if he intended to post it.
No one these days needs "immigration"... immigration was devised because after WW 2 there was a shortage of men...Immigration these days is caused by escaping poverty.
Those countries need help to stay in their countries and build a better world.
Different day, newer solutions.
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Does this bond entitle her to call people she doesn't even know "morons," though?
I doubt it. And, I think, so do you.
Sorry I called you a moron... having been involved around flame forums, moron is one of the milder insults...
I usually say dumbo.... :) affectionately of course.
So when you affectionately call someone a moron, you're calling them kin? ac_biggrin
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I call Kurt a moron everyday.... I usually scream it in my high pitched voice.
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Does this bond entitle her to call people she doesn't even know "morons," though?
I doubt it. And, I think, so do you.
Sorry I called you a moron... having been involved around flame forums, moron is one of the milder insults...
I usually say dumbo.... :) affectionately of course.
Well, sorry I called you a moron, too. I mean, I don't know you.
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Does this bond entitle her to call people she doesn't even know "morons," though?
I doubt it. And, I think, so do you.
Sorry I called you a moron... having been involved around flame forums, moron is one of the milder insults...
I usually say dumbo.... :) affectionately of course.
Well, sorry I called you a moron, too. I mean, I don't know you.
Me? I am strongly opinionated and tough. I won't crumbled being insulted.
No worries. :wink:
And neither will I.
Just find it weird, coming out of left field as it did.
But you're an Aussie, so I get it; weird is the norm.
With all the migrating numbers, will Canada ever build more dwellings to house people northward? There is much of Canada still uninhabited. Will it be inhabited one day?
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NO!!
Why not? Too cold?
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A lot of reasons besides the cold. Lack of infrastructure, opportunities, isolation, high cost of living and on and on. It will always be a resource harvesting hub for workers not from the region.
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A lot of reasons besides the cold. Lack of infrastructure, opportunities, isolation, high cost of living and on and on. It will always be a resource harvesting hub for workers not from the region.
My husband has went to jobs in Canadian tundra country.
FYI Seoul posted two really good columns here--
https://thebluecashew.net/post293394.html?hilit=fearmongering#p293394
https://thebluecashew.net/post293593.html?hilit=irregular#p293593
about how Trudeau and the liberals are doing everything they can to get illegals into canada.
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https://thebluecashew.net/post293394.html?hilit=fearmongering#p293394
https://thebluecashew.net/post293593.html?hilit=irregular#p293593
about how Trudeau and the liberals are doing everything they can to get illegals into canada.
Thank you Wazzzup..
Those articles probably belong here..
I expect a lot of mudslinging from our prime minister if the opposition questions him about border crossings.
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Australia has a massive area which is uninhabited because its a stinking hot rocky desert and this is why I am sooooo much against immigration now...
There is a drought on our east coast... they cleared to much land for farms and now we get 49.5 degree days in places that shouldn't get that ridiculous temp.
Everytime bloody immigrants come, precious trees come down... now we are at absolute breaking point.
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Australia has a massive area which is uninhabited because its a stinking hot rocky desert and this is why I am sooooo much against immigration now...
There is a drought on our east coast... they cleared to much land for farms and now we get 49.5 degree days in places that shouldn't get that ridiculous temp.
Everytime bloody immigrants come, precious trees come down... now we are at absolute breaking point.
It's ironic the same people that believe AGW is an existential threat are the same people who want Canada, which is a carbon sink because of our forests, to cut down more or our trees to make room for mass immigration.
The immigration and climate change debates are filled with contradictory ideas.
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Just find it weird, coming out of left field as it did.
But you're an Aussie, so I get it; weird is the norm.
A man in a dress is calling US weird?
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Thanks, Leo.
I knew you wouldn't let me down.
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Just find it weird, coming out of left field as it did.
But you're an Aussie, so I get it; weird is the norm.
A man in a dress is calling US weird?
ac_dunno
Hey, I am transitioning into a woman too.
Tonight's Fifth Estate will be about immigration scams.
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They're scams alright.
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I texted the old lady to record it for me. I will have a lot to watch when I get home in April.
For our three Australian members--
A lot of news sources are covering this. I was wondering if this was a big story or not down under.
The Studio 10 co-host Kerri-Anne Kennerley has been accused of racism by fellow panellist Yumi Stynes after the veteran presenter talked about sexual violence in Indigenous communities during a discussion about "Invasion Day" protests.
Kennerley attacked the motives of the protesters who want the date of Australia Day changed by implying they were ignoring the alleged rape of children and women in the "outback".
"Has any single one of those 5,000 people waving the flags saying how inappropriate the day is, has any one of them been out to the outback where children, where babies and five-year-olds are being raped, their mothers are being raped, their sisters are being raped. They get no education," Kennerley said on the Ten morning show.[/quote]
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They're scams alright.
I watched it. It centred around a Chinese immigration consultant who was getting stamps in clients PRC passports changed to show they had been in Canada the required three years to qualify for citizenship.
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They're scams alright.
I watched it. It centred around a Chinese immigration consultant who was getting stamps in clients PRC passports changed to show they had been in Canada the required three years to qualify for citizenship.
there is actually more going on... I'll see if I can find the news story about the Census where no older Chinese death were reordered or rather, they were living a long life.. the dead Chinese person's ID went to an illegal immigrant so it appeared they never died.... something like that..
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They're scams alright.
I watched it. It centred around a Chinese immigration consultant who was getting stamps in clients PRC passports changed to show they had been in Canada the required three years to qualify for citizenship.
there is actually more going on... I'll see if I can find the news story about the Census where no older Chinese death were reordered or rather, they were living a long life.. the dead Chinese person's ID went to an illegal immigrant so it appeared they never died.... something like that..
That's in Australia?
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They're scams alright.
I watched it. It centred around a Chinese immigration consultant who was getting stamps in clients PRC passports changed to show they had been in Canada the required three years to qualify for citizenship.
there is actually more going on... I'll see if I can find the news story about the Census where no older Chinese death were reordered or rather, they were living a long life.. the dead Chinese person's ID went to an illegal immigrant so it appeared they never died.... something like that..
That's in Australia?
Not that I know of... I read about it YEARS ago in Canada BUT, if it's happening in Canada, it'll be happening EVERYWHERE...
So far no luck with that old news article, (I'll see if I've stashed it in my batcave somewhere)... but there are latter articles and they've given it a name, "Ghost Immigration".
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/how-to-fix-canadas-ghost-immigrant-fraud-problem/
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They're scams alright.
I watched it. It centred around a Chinese immigration consultant who was getting stamps in clients PRC passports changed to show they had been in Canada the required three years to qualify for citizenship.
there is actually more going on... I'll see if I can find the news story about the Census where no older Chinese death were reordered or rather, they were living a long life.. the dead Chinese person's ID went to an illegal immigrant so it appeared they never died.... something like that..
That's in Australia?
Not that I know of... I read about it YEARS ago in Canada BUT, if it's happening in Canada, it'll be happening EVERYWHERE...
So far no luck with that old news article, (I'll see if I've stashed it in my batcave somewhere)... but there are latter articles and they've given it a name, "Ghost Immigration".
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/how-to-fix-canadas-ghost-immigrant-fraud-problem/
I didn't know about this. But, immigration is a lucrative and shady business in this country.
They have Chinese slaves in Australia... I'll find the articles.
There would be THOUSANDS uncaught... If it happening in my country, it's happening in Canada too.
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https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/punjabi/en/article/2017/08/22/225-illegal-workers-found-raids-across-australia
The Australian Border Force has found 225 people working in breach of their visa conditions in 50 raids on homes and businesses across Australia in an operation targeting visa fraud, illegal work and exploitation of foreign nationals.
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/border-force-deport-detain-and-stopped-229-illegal-foreign-workers-in-sixweek-nationwide-hunt/news-story/b7419fcc66cce8dd44f2b0d0b50e7908
MORE than 500 illegal foreign workers have been booted out of Australia, detained or stopped at the border following a nationwide crackdown on illegal labour-hire syndicates.
During the six-week sting, 229 foreigners were caught working illegally in Australia while on a holiday visa.
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https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/punjabi/en/article/2017/08/22/225-illegal-workers-found-raids-across-australia
The Australian Border Force has found 225 people working in breach of their visa conditions in 50 raids on homes and businesses across Australia in an operation targeting visa fraud, illegal work and exploitation of foreign nationals.
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/border-force-deport-detain-and-stopped-229-illegal-foreign-workers-in-sixweek-nationwide-hunt/news-story/b7419fcc66cce8dd44f2b0d0b50e7908
MORE than 500 illegal foreign workers have been booted out of Australia, detained or stopped at the border following a nationwide crackdown on illegal labour-hire syndicates.
During the six-week sting, 229 foreigners were caught working illegally in Australia while on a holiday visa.
I hope they impose stiff fines on the people who employ them.
They should be jailed..
And funny thing to is, there are Chinese women exploiting younger Asian workers. They were under paying them. Then they got caught out so now they pay the minimum wage BUT when the young worker comes into work again, the Chinese bosses, charge the younger Asians to work...
An example... say they pay is $300... when they come back the next day to start the new week, the bosses make them hand over $100... that is happening in Australia.
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And funny thing to is, there are Chinese women exploiting younger Asian workers. They were under paying them. Then they got caught out so now they pay the minimum wage BUT when the young worker comes into work again, the Chinese bosses, charge the younger Asians to work...
An example... say they pay is $300... when they come back the next day to start the new week, the bosses make them hand over $100... that is happening in Australia.
Israel used to have a lot of illegal Chinese and Filipino workers. Mostly caregivers. The government started cracking down on illegal aliens about eight years ago and most left.