https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2gO4DKVpa8
Hard not to believe he's totally correct.
The inequality is unsustainable.
Hanauer is just another libtard billionaire hypotwat.
Nitwit Billionaire Liberal Hypocrite Won't Pay His Own Employees The $15 Minimum Wage He's SCREAMING FOR
https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/nitwit-billionaire-liberal-hypocrite-wont-pay-his-own-employees-the-15-minimum-wage-hes-screaming-for
That's not quite right.
What he's saying is that EVERY employer should pay the higher minimum wage, not go it alone.
Otherwise his competition will make more money, or charge less for their products and push him out of business.
Every employee should receive the same minimum wage, as occurs here in Australia and elsewhere.
Hanauer doesn't practice what he preaches. Entry-level, unskilled workers at his company in North Carolina start at $7.50 per hour, while higher-skilled workers earn upwards of $11. When asked to explain the hypocrisy, Hanauer simply responded via Twitter that he doesn't have to:
"Because the min wage is 7.25 an hour. Make me raise wages by raising the minimum wage."
Hanauer has vilified anyone who dares to even expresses concern with the consequences of a $15 minimum wage as essentially being immoral, but he isn't going to pay his workers a higher wage unless he is forced to.
So much for leading by example.
I could spend the rest of the day digging up entertaining tidbits showcasing Hanauer's hypocrisy. In the interest of brevity I will limit it to these two gems:
In his Bloomberg editorial "The Capitalist's Case for a $15 Minimum Wage," Hanauer complains that:
"No one earning the current minimum wage of about $15,000 per year can aspire to live decently, much less raise a family."
So by paying his workers wages that amount to slightly more than $15,000 per year, Hanauer demonstrates he does not care that his own workers cannot live decently or raise a family.
My personal favorite is when Hanauer offensively declared:
"When Wal-Mart or McDonald's or any other guy like me pays workers the minimum wage, that's our way of saying, 'I would pay you less, except then I'd go to prison.'"
Since Hanauer pays the minimum wage, he is admitting he would pay less if he legally could. And we know he certainly is not going to pay more, unless government forces him to.
The hypocrisy of Hanauer cannot be understated or overlooked. He relied on the minimum wage labor of entry-level, unskilled workers to build his fortune (and continues to rely on that cheap labor). Now that he's a billionaire not only does he not pay his own workers the $15 wage he wants to foist on other businesses, he belittles small employers who say forcing them to pay a $15 wage to every unskilled, entry-level workers will hurt their business (or at the least force them to make tough decisions about how to stay in business).
Apparently only big business billionaires are allowed to pay entry-level wages for unskilled, entry-level jobs
I can't stand Hanauer. Another prog billionaire buying the US Democratic party. He is pro mass illegal immigration. Ya, that's good for jobs and wages isn't it. :crazy:
Mmmm....OK....well, his comments were still on point. Shame he's a hypocrite.
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This is the problem with the new left. Rich progs like Hanauer have hijacked the socialist movement and handed it over to their fellow elitist latte quaffing friends.
Progs and socialists are oil and water.
Progs are a political class all their own.
They don't have solutions or policies...just hate.
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They don't have solutions or policies...just hate.
They really hate blue collar working people like me.
Minimum wages are a scam.
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My province, Ontario has had recent steep increases in the minimum wage. The result is fewer people working.
The economic argument in favour of a higher minimum wage is that it circulates more money through the economy. That is not true. Small business owners don't increase what they spend on payrolls. They simply reduce staff and each remaining employee becomes more productive.
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Hard not to believe he's totally correct.
The inequality is unsustainable.
One possible suggestion for wealth distribution is to allow individuals such as Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, George Soros, Larry Ellison & others to amass huge fortunes when they are alive but when they die, they have to pass most of their money perhaps onto the state, public works projects or charity. They'd be able to pass some of their fortune to family members but not $40 billion. Perhaps up to $1 billion? I think thats fair because the billionaire can still enjoy the fruits of their labor when they are alive, but cant take it with them and the money is no use to them after theyre dead anyways . Also it would discourage bloated family dynasties, the 'Right of Kings' mentality, excessive concentration of wealth and allows living entrepreneurs to benefit from this post mortem redistribution of wealth & to become billionaires themselves until its their turn to pass it on when they die. In other the social and political system becomes refreshed and reinvigorated rather than being stifled by money which isnt circulating & finding its way into society & benefiting anyone.
If individuals are able to amass such large amounts of money, something is very wrong.
Either they don't pay their employees enough, or they charge too much for their crap.
Their needs to be a ceiling beyond which they pay 100% tax. It needs to be remembered that every dollar they've earned came from someone else.
And civilization would grind to a halt.
Taxation is theft. 100% tax is pure theft.
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Either they don't pay their employees enough, or they charge too much for their crap.
Their needs to be a ceiling beyond which they pay 100% tax. It needs to be remembered that every dollar they've earned came from someone else.
But, those IT billionaires like Zuckerberg are paper billionaires only. Carlos Slim, on the other hand is an actual billionaire.
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Taxation is theft. 100% tax is pure theft.
No.
Charging $1000 bucks for software is theft.
Paying people a pittance while you make billions from their sweat is theft.
Making billions without producing a single item, just by shifting money in and out of "investment companies" is theft.
Unbridled capitalism is no better than unbridled communism.
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Taxation is theft. 100% tax is pure theft.
No.
Charging $1000 bucks for software is theft.
Paying people a pittance while you make billions from their sweat is theft.
Making billions without producing a single item, just by shifting money in and out of "investment companies" is theft.
Unbridled capitalism is no better than unbridled communism.
But teh questions is Brick, are others not willing to make billions of dollars too b/c they think it's really theft, or they truely just don't have what it takes to become a 1-3%?
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Hard not to believe he's totally correct.
The inequality is unsustainable.
One possible suggestion for wealth distribution is to allow individuals such as Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, George Soros, Larry Ellison & others to amass huge fortunes when they are alive but when they die, they have to pass most of their money perhaps onto the state, public works projects or charity. They'd be able to pass some of their fortune to family members but not $40 billion. Perhaps up to $1 billion? I think thats fair because the billionaire can still enjoy the fruits of their labor when they are alive, but cant take it with them and the money is no use to them after theyre dead anyways . Also it would discourage bloated family dynasties, the 'Right of Kings' mentality, excessive concentration of wealth and allows living entrepreneurs to benefit from this post mortem redistribution of wealth & to become billionaires themselves until its their turn to pass it on when they die. In other the social and political system becomes refreshed and reinvigorated rather than being stifled by money which isnt circulating & finding its way into society & benefiting anyone.
Tbh that's something I thought of before too long time ago, which I think makes sense, but chances are if they can make billions, then there's nothing from stopping them from exploiting loop holes or doing some money laundrying before they die.
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Taxation is theft. 100% tax is pure theft.
No.
Charging $1000 bucks for software is theft.
Paying people a pittance while you make billions from their sweat is theft.
Making billions without producing a single item, just by shifting money in and out of "investment companies" is theft.
Unbridled capitalism is no better than unbridled communism.
But teh questions is Brick, are others not willing to make billions of dollars too b/c they think it's really theft, or they truely just don't have what it takes to become a 1-3%?
Most people don't have what it takes to become billionaires, simply because the price is too high. You need to be a ruthless asshole that cares about nothing or anyone more than wealth itself. How did Gates and Zuckerberg become so wealthy? Sheer luck. As the speaker above admits.
However, I don't disregard the fact that people who create wealth for others should not be amply rewarded. If you earn $5M per annum, you will have a lifestyle most can never achieve. Anything above that is pure, unadulterated greed.
Smell the socialists in here.
Nah, it's the stench of troll.
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Out of curiosity, which posters are you referring to?
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Out of curiosity, which posters are you referring to?
Iron Horse Jockey is a socialist
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Out of curiosity, which posters are you referring to?
Iron Horse Jockey is a socialist
Okay, that would be one. Dinky used the plural, though.
One of the problems I've had in sorting out political discussions here is that Canadians seem to use some of these blanket political classifications differently than we midwestern yanks use them. For instance, it seems like "progs" are almost universally reviled here, and I often get labeled as such. But I'm not a prog as I myself understand the term. I'm thinking that if everyone here is as hard to pigeonhole as I am, then the use of these labels creates more heat than light.
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Nitwit Billionaire Liberal Hypocrite Won't Pay His Own Employees The $15 Minimum Wage He's SCREAMING FOR
https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/nitwit-billionaire-liberal-hypocrite-wont-pay-his-own-employees-the-15-minimum-wage-hes-screaming-for
They make me sick.
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Capitalists want to flood countries with immigrant cheap labour... NOT socialists.
Socialists work for fair days pay for a fair days work.
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Out of curiosity, which posters are you referring to?
Iron Horse Jockey is a socialist
Okay, that would be one. Dinky used the plural, though.
One of the problems I've had in sorting out political discussions here is that Canadians seem to use some of these blanket political classifications differently than we midwestern yanks use them. For instance, it seems like "progs" are almost universally reviled here, and I often get labeled as such. But I'm not a prog as I myself understand the term. I'm thinking that if everyone here is as hard to pigeonhole as I am, then the use of these labels creates more heat than light.
Personally, I am sick of Canada's tired democracy.
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Taxation is theft. 100% tax is pure theft.
No.
Charging $1000 bucks for software is theft.
Paying people a pittance while you make billions from their sweat is theft.
Making billions without producing a single item, just by shifting money in and out of "investment companies" is theft.
Unbridled capitalism is no better than unbridled communism.
But teh questions is Brick, are others not willing to make billions of dollars too b/c they think it's really theft, or they truely just don't have what it takes to become a 1-3%?
Most people don't have what it takes to become billionaires, simply because the price is too high. You need to be a ruthless asshole that cares about nothing or anyone more than wealth itself. How did Gates and Zuckerberg become so wealthy? Sheer luck. As the speaker above admits.
However, I don't disregard the fact that people who create wealth for others should not be amply rewarded. If you earn $5M per annum, you will have a lifestyle most can never achieve. Anything above that is pure, unadulterated greed.
I do agree luck plays a role in helping people's business succeed, which has always been very true and definitely you need desire, greed and the ambition if you want to at least have a chance of winning. But you're ignoring some facts is starting up a large business is many years of hard work when the majority, and practically all the folks in third world countries started off with nothing, while the rest never even bothered to try to succeed, even if they had luck with them. You might think poor people working minimum wage is hard working but that can't be any further from teh truth, IMO they are only forced to work b/c they have no choice. Another factor is you're ignoring the astonishing numbers of failed businesses out there, IIRC the average business goes bankrupt in 5 years.
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Capitalists want to flood countries with immigrant cheap labour... NOT socialists.
Socialists work for fair days pay for a fair days work.
I do agree with the capitalist part, some are traitors, but truth to be told socialism is even worst and doesn't work at all b/c people are selfish, plus what you mentioned is not socialism, but capitalism, socialism is the least fair system that distributes your wealth no matter how hard you work.
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Capitalists want to flood countries with immigrant cheap labour... NOT socialists.
Socialists work for fair days pay for a fair days work.
I do agree with the capitalist part, but truth to be told socialism is even worst and doesn't work at all b/c people are selfish.
Politicians are societies crooks. The trick is not to become emotionally involved. That's a lot harder than you think.
There is no such thing as left and right these days.
They'll say anything to get voted, pretend to work for the people then retire on their lifetime 6 figure pensions.
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Capitalists want to flood countries with immigrant cheap labour... NOT socialists.
Socialists work for fair days pay for a fair days work.
I do agree with the capitalist part, but truth to be told socialism is even worst and doesn't work at all b/c people are selfish.
Politicians are societies crooks. The trick is not to become emotionally involved. That's a lot harder than you think.
There is no such thing as left and right these days.
They'll say anything to get voted, pretend to work for the people then retire on their lifetime 6 figure pensions.
That's teh problem when teh government is monopoly and people are forced to pay for their overly priced services. ac_unsure
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Capitalists want to flood countries with immigrant cheap labour... NOT socialists.
Socialists work for fair days pay for a fair days work.
I do agree with the capitalist part, but truth to be told socialism is even worst and doesn't work at all b/c people are selfish.
Politicians are societies crooks. The trick is not to become emotionally involved. That's a lot harder than you think.
There is no such thing as left and right these days.
They'll say anything to get voted, pretend to work for the people then retire on their lifetime 6 figure pensions.
That's teh problem when teh government is monopoly and people are forced to pay for their overly priced services. ac_unsure
Specifically, I think you mean Canada's health care.
My mum's private healthcare was charged over $5,000 for a vitamin B injection for her...
I showed the bill to another group who were incredulous.. Private health in OZ has nothing to do with medicare in OZ. It is very fooloish to think one system is better than another when they are BOTH equally as corrupt.
Each illegal immigrant or legal for that matter with HIV/AIDS costs Australia tax payers 1 million dollars. Apparently that's fair on struggling tax payers...
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I showed the bill to another group who were incredulous.. Private health in OZ has nothing to do with medicare in OZ. It is very fooloish to think one system is better than another when they are BOTH equally as corrupt.
Each illegal immigrant or legal for that matter with HIV/AIDS costs Australia tax payers 1 million dollars. Apparently that's fair on struggling tax payers...
We can't buy basic private health care coverage in Canada.
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Capitalists want to flood countries with immigrant cheap labour... NOT socialists.
Socialists work for fair days pay for a fair days work.
I do agree with the capitalist part, but truth to be told socialism is even worst and doesn't work at all b/c people are selfish.
Politicians are societies crooks. The trick is not to become emotionally involved. That's a lot harder than you think.
There is no such thing as left and right these days.
They'll say anything to get voted, pretend to work for the people then retire on their lifetime 6 figure pensions.
That's teh problem when teh government is monopoly and people are forced to pay for their overly priced services. ac_unsure
Specifically, I think you mean Canada's health care.
I always wondered why can't Canada be more like Asia and introduce private clinics/hospitals, can't really think of a disadvantage except for the middle/upper class can pay for faster services. But at the same time lower taxes, maybe less abuse of milking the health care system and lower queue time in hospitals.
It's all very high because insuring Doctors for malpactice is expensive.
No one accepts shit happens and people die, they just want to profit from someone's death.
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Out of curiosity, which posters are you referring to?
Iron Horse Jockey is a socialist
He is open about it.
Bricktop is a secret socialist and authoritarian fan boi.
Caskur is just a low IQ parrot.
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Quote from: "Zetsu"
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Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Capitalists want to flood countries with immigrant cheap labour... NOT socialists.
Socialists work for fair days pay for a fair days work.
I do agree with the capitalist part, but truth to be told socialism is even worst and doesn't work at all b/c people are selfish.
Politicians are societies crooks. The trick is not to become emotionally involved. That's a lot harder than you think.
There is no such thing as left and right these days.
They'll say anything to get voted, pretend to work for the people then retire on their lifetime 6 figure pensions.
That's teh problem when teh government is monopoly and people are forced to pay for their overly priced services. ac_unsure
Specifically, I think you mean Canada's health care.
I always wondered why can't Canada be more like Asia and introduce private clinics/hospitals, can't really think of a disadvantage except for the middle/upper class can pay for faster services. But at the same time lower taxes, maybe less abuse of milking the health care system and lower queue time in hospitals.
It would be good for public health care. Less people using the public system means lower costs.
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Out of curiosity, which posters are you referring to?
Iron Horse Jockey is a socialist
He is open about it.
Bricktop is a secret socialist and authoritarian fan boi.
Caskur is just a low IQ parrot.
How do you figure that out, fool.
I do not categorise myself as anything, and I especially denigrate anything that smells of ideology...right or left. Too much wealth in too few hands is as bad as not enough wealth in everybody's hands.
Plutocrats do not warrant or deserve their massive wealth. They could reduce the price of their crap, or pay their people who make it more (or hire more people), but they care nothing for the health of society if it costs them a dollar.
You've made your socialist programs views known and have proposed wealth redistribution and other affronts to civil liberties.
Yet I have decried unionism, big government, the current taxation system in Australia, left wing cultural misappropriation and identity politics.
While pushing for universal health care, minimum wages, gun confiscation, hunting bans, and all sorts of other theft based redistribution scams.
You're a basket case socialist.
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I didn't know what that was until Wazzzup started posting here.
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Oh and should we all be American poverty sticken capitalists pushing shit up hill?
Your former country treats people like dirt... hows that working for them?
you live in a country that has supported left ideals for decades so you now have a great life... See if you can have the same great life back home in Dixieland, cowboy.
You've got me mistaken with someone else, fruit bat.
Western and East Asian countries have high living standards because of the free market. Now, through increased regulations and red tape throughout many Western countries(Canada in particular) our system has become a lot less free. This means lower investment, and fewer jobs.
President Trump has a policy of two regulations slashed for every one new regulation. The result is booming investment, the lowest unemployment in five decades and rising wages. The free market works for the middle class if government works with it.
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You're a basket case socialist.
No. I am a pragmatist. I recognise that both sides are equally inept and delusional, but if we combined the best policies of BOTH into a single political platform, we'd live in a better world.
You, on the other hand, are a petty ideologue who prefers dogma to reality.
Billionaires that provide mortgage paying jobs are an asset. Tech billionaires like Zuckerberg and his ilk contribute nothing besides buying politicians.
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And donating their wealth to Africa.... as if that is going to help them.
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You're a basket case socialist.
No. I am a pragmatist. I recognise that both sides are equally inept and delusional, but if we combined the best policies of BOTH into a single political platform, we'd live in a better world.
You, on the other hand, are a petty ideologue who prefers dogma to reality.
You're a philosophical hypocrite and no different than a chardonnay socialist and anti-free market capitalist's bastard offspring.
Supporting theft makes you a thief. Refusing to do it by your own hand makes you a coward. Trying to rationalize your ridiculous thoughts makes you a moron.
That is who you are.
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And donating their wealth to Africa.... as if that is going to help them.
I thought Chan and Zuckerberg pledged $3 billion worth of FB shares to rid the world of disease.
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And donating their wealth to Africa.... as if that is going to help them.
I thought Chan and Zuckerberg pledged $3 billion worth of FB shares to rid the world of disease.
The say all this BS but whether they do it or not, is another story.
Kylie Jenner might be a billionaire now. What the hell does she do?
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You're a basket case socialist.
No. I am a pragmatist. I recognise that both sides are equally inept and delusional, but if we combined the best policies of BOTH into a single political platform, we'd live in a better world.
You, on the other hand, are a petty ideologue who prefers dogma to reality.
You're a philosophical hypocrite and no different than a chardonnay socialist and anti-free market capitalist's bastard offspring.
Supporting theft makes you a thief. Refusing to do it by your own hand makes you a coward. Trying to rationalize your ridiculous thoughts makes you a moron.
That is who you are.
Well, now corky.
Seeing as how you're all for judging others, tell us where YOU stand.
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ac_dunno
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Well, she USED to shine your shitter.
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Well, she USED to shine your shitter.
She's shining a lot more shitters these days.
I'm guessing she's behind that caravan of shitter shiners on the US southern border waiting to get in and work for her. Word on the street is a large consignment of toilet brushes were delivered to a warehouse she rents.
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That would explain her wealth.
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And donating their wealth to Africa.... as if that is going to help them.
I thought Chan and Zuckerberg pledged $3 billion worth of FB shares to rid the world of disease.
I buy this as much as I buy the aid that the Clinton Foundation gave to Haiti.... which wasnt much in reality compared to what they received.
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And donating their wealth to Africa.... as if that is going to help them.
I thought Chan and Zuckerberg pledged $3 billion worth of FB shares to rid the world of disease.
I buy this as much as I buy the aid that the Clinton Foundation gave to Haiti.... which wasnt much in reality compared to what they received.
I'm a bit cynical too that any of that supposedly pledged money made any difference..
It's all for show.
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And donating their wealth to Africa.... as if that is going to help them.
I thought Chan and Zuckerberg pledged $3 billion worth of FB shares to rid the world of disease.
I buy this as much as I buy the aid that the Clinton Foundation gave to Haiti.... which wasnt much in reality compared to what they received.
I'm a bit cynical too that any of that supposedly pledged money made any difference..
It's all for show.
I have to fully agree, it might has a nice ring to it, but in the end it's really just marketing strategy.
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And donating their wealth to Africa.... as if that is going to help them.
I thought Chan and Zuckerberg pledged $3 billion worth of FB shares to rid the world of disease.
I buy this as much as I buy the aid that the Clinton Foundation gave to Haiti.... which wasnt much in reality compared to what they received.
I'm a bit cynical too that any of that supposedly pledged money made any difference..
It's all for show.
I have to fully agree, it might has a nice ring to it, but in the end it's really just marketing strategy.
It's about appearances.