Title: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: cc on March 18, 2019, 04:04:25 PM
Post by: cc on March 18, 2019, 04:04:25 PM
It's starting to look as if Google's executives see George Orwell's 1984 as a how-to manual. One of the most famous citations from that work reads:
That helpful hint (for totalitarians) perfectly matches what the tech tyrants have just done to Patrick Moore, one of the founders of Greenpeace, a man who now warns against the dangers of demonizing CO2 and carbon as the source of the purported climate change that shows up only after ground station temperatures have been "adjusted" (always in the direction of indicating warming now):
Google now controls the flow of information to most people in this and many other countries. The generations coming of age now mostly lack the skills to explore non-digital archives. I just used the services of Google, asking the question, "Who are the founders of Greenpeace?," and Moore is still removed:
Sergey Brin, the co-founder of Google and current president of Alphabet, the corporate parent of the entire empire, spent the first six years of his life in the USSR, where he may have been so amazingly precocious that he picked up a trick from that nation's history under Stalin — except that Stalin's henchmen faced the challenge of artistically airbrushing the Kremlin officials out of photographs with Stalin when they fell out of favor with the tyrant.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2019, 04:20:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2019, 04:20:45 PM
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: cc on March 18, 2019, 04:30:01 PM
Post by: cc on March 18, 2019, 04:30:01 PM
He never happened
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2019, 04:32:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2019, 04:32:53 PM
Yes, they didQuote from: "cc"
He never happened
Incredible..
That's like erasing Colonel Harland Sanders contribution from the founding of Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Frood on March 18, 2019, 05:37:11 PM
Post by: Frood on March 18, 2019, 05:37:11 PM
Yes, they didQuote from: "cc"
He never happened
Incredible..
That's like erasing Colonel Harland Sanders contribution from the founding of Kentucky Fried Chicken.
I see what you did there.
Shen will be along soon to spit venom.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Bricktop on March 18, 2019, 05:41:13 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 18, 2019, 05:41:13 PM
You don't have to use Google.
Use DuckDuckGo. Available for desktops and mobile devices.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2019, 05:44:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2019, 05:44:56 PM
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2019, 05:47:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2019, 05:47:53 PM
I do not use Google.Quote from: "Bricktop"
You don't have to use Google.
Use DuckDuckGo. Available for desktops and mobile devices.
What's the advantage over Google? No prog censorship?
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Blazor on March 18, 2019, 07:20:44 PM
Post by: Blazor on March 18, 2019, 07:20:44 PM
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2019, 07:32:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2019, 07:32:32 PM
I been saying this is happening for over a year now! A LOT of the stuff I use to look up, gone. Its like a purge of certain info has been happening.Quote from: "Blazor"
I have not seen it myself. But, anti progs tell me they have been censored on Twitter.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Bricktop on March 18, 2019, 07:35:07 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 18, 2019, 07:35:07 PM
I do not use Google.Quote from: "Bricktop"
You don't have to use Google.
Use DuckDuckGo. Available for desktops and mobile devices.
What's the advantage over Google? No prog censorship?
No monitoring.
No censorship.
No data collection.
Just a simple search engine.
If everyone switched over, Google would be in ruins in a month.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2019, 07:43:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2019, 07:43:24 PM
I do not use Google.Quote from: "Bricktop"
You don't have to use Google.
Use DuckDuckGo. Available for desktops and mobile devices.
What's the advantage over Google? No prog censorship?
No monitoring.
No censorship.
No data collection.
Just a simple search engine.//https://duckduckgo.com/
If everyone switched over, Google would be in ruins in a month.
I am sold. To hell with Google.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Bricktop on March 18, 2019, 07:44:23 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 18, 2019, 07:44:23 PM
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2019, 07:58:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2019, 07:58:32 PM
Haven't used it in years.Quote from: "Bricktop"
I wish I knew about it years ago.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Blazor on March 19, 2019, 11:10:07 AM
Post by: Blazor on March 19, 2019, 11:10:07 AM
I been saying this is happening for over a year now! A LOT of the stuff I use to look up, gone. Its like a purge of certain info has been happening.Quote from: "Blazor"
I have not seen it myself. But, anti progs tell me they have been censored on Twitter.
Fuck censorship!!!
This is why I dont do social media, and remain on forums.
Besides Duckduckgo, there is also the Russian google lol, Yandex.com
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2019, 11:12:22 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2019, 11:12:22 AM
I been saying this is happening for over a year now! A LOT of the stuff I use to look up, gone. Its like a purge of certain info has been happening.Quote from: "Blazor"
I have not seen it myself. But, anti progs tell me they have been censored on Twitter.
Fuck censorship!!!
This is why I dont do social media, and remain on forums.
Besides Duckduckgo, there is also the Russian google lol, Yandex.com
I still Google.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Blazor on March 19, 2019, 11:21:48 AM
Post by: Blazor on March 19, 2019, 11:21:48 AM
I been saying this is happening for over a year now! A LOT of the stuff I use to look up, gone. Its like a purge of certain info has been happening.Quote from: "Blazor"
I have not seen it myself. But, anti progs tell me they have been censored on Twitter.
Fuck censorship!!!
This is why I dont do social media, and remain on forums.
Besides Duckduckgo, there is also the Russian google lol, Yandex.com
I still Google.
Its habit, but I really need to make the switch. It was when they started censoring and removing things that triggered me. When companies censor, its because its things they dont want you to know.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2019, 11:43:04 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2019, 11:43:04 AM
I been saying this is happening for over a year now! A LOT of the stuff I use to look up, gone. Its like a purge of certain info has been happening.Quote from: "Blazor"
I have not seen it myself. But, anti progs tell me they have been censored on Twitter.
Fuck censorship!!!
This is why I dont do social media, and remain on forums.
Besides Duckduckgo, there is also the Russian google lol, Yandex.com
I still Google.
Its habit, but I really need to make the switch. It was when they started censoring and removing things that triggered me. When companies censor, its because its things they dont want you to know.
I haven't noticed it yet, but I have read that Google has an agenda.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Bricktop on March 19, 2019, 07:53:31 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 19, 2019, 07:53:31 PM
Now.
It's a sinister and disreputable company.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2019, 08:14:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 19, 2019, 08:14:04 PM
Leave Google.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Now.
It's a sinister and disreputable company.
And I may do that in the not too distant future.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Bricktop on March 19, 2019, 08:19:33 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 19, 2019, 08:19:33 PM
It's easy. Just set your browser's default search engine to DuckDuckGo.
No software to install.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Blazor on March 20, 2019, 10:32:10 AM
Post by: Blazor on March 20, 2019, 10:32:10 AM
Leave Google.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Now.
It's a sinister and disreputable company.
And I may do that in the not too distant future.
The man said NOW Fash! Stop procrastinating things!
Im the worst for procrastinating sometimes lol.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2019, 10:45:58 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2019, 10:45:58 AM
ICELANDIC GLACIERS ARE EXPANDING FOR THE FIRST TIME IN DECADES — GRAND SOLAR MINIMUM
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2019, 11:43:59 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2019, 11:43:59 AM
Some of you will doubtless have problems with this. However, some of Burnett's comments strike me as well-founded and based on what appears to be careful (if not meticulous) research. Take it or leave it. It's a longish read which I found informative, provocative and worth the effort.
For those unfamiliar with Burnett, he's a genius level musician and music producer who's well respected in that arena and has won major awards. This link will give you the full text and/or video of his keynote address to a recent festival of SXSW in Austin, TX.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2019, 11:50:53 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2019, 11:50:53 AM
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2019, 12:31:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2019, 12:31:29 PM
Plus, they have a lot more fun than you do.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2019, 01:22:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2019, 01:22:36 PM
Actors, athletes and musicians, is there anything they don't know.Quote from: "seoulbro"ac_toofunny
They think they know what's best for everyone..
Meanwhile they are narcissistic and self-indulgent.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Bricktop on March 20, 2019, 06:55:25 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 20, 2019, 06:55:25 PM
Leave Google.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Now.
It's a sinister and disreputable company.
And I may do that in the not too distant future.
The man said NOW Fash! Stop procrastinating things!:laugh:
Im the worst for procrastinating sometimes lol.
One of these days I'm going to stop procrastinating.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Bricktop on March 20, 2019, 06:57:20 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 20, 2019, 06:57:20 PM
Right, every single one of them is too dumb to read, write or reason -- even when you're looking at proof to the contrary.Quote from: "Peaches"
Plus, they have a lot more fun than you do.:yahoo:
I got THIS far...
"the Grammy- and Oscar-winning musician/producer spoke out against the growing power of Silicon Valley giants like Google and Facebook while affirming the importance of artists' rights. "Artists create conscience," the O Brother, Where Art Thou? producer said. "The artists are our only hope."
...and walked away.
If "artists" are our only hope, the end is well and truly fucking nigh.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2019, 11:45:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2019, 11:45:05 PM
Right, every single one of them is too dumb to read, write or reason -- even when you're looking at proof to the contrary.Quote from: "Peaches"
Plus, they have a lot more fun than you do.:yahoo:
I got THIS far...
"the Grammy- and Oscar-winning musician/producer spoke out against the growing power of Silicon Valley giants like Google and Facebook while affirming the importance of artists' rights. "Artists create conscience," the O Brother, Where Art Thou? producer said. "The artists are our only hope."
...and walked away.If "artists" are our only hope, the end is well and truly f@cking nigh. :001_rolleyes:
oh yes
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Blazor on March 21, 2019, 09:20:21 AM
Post by: Blazor on March 21, 2019, 09:20:21 AM
lol
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2019, 09:23:20 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2019, 09:23:20 AM
Um hello, Im an artist motherfuckers!!!Quote from: "Blazor"
lol
Present company excepted.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Blazor on March 21, 2019, 09:29:28 AM
Post by: Blazor on March 21, 2019, 09:29:28 AM
Um hello, Im an artist motherfuckers!!!Quote from: "Blazor"
lol
Present company excepted.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Bricktop on March 21, 2019, 05:42:46 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 21, 2019, 05:42:46 PM
Um hello, Im an artist motherfuckers!!!Quote from: "Blazor"
lol
And great people they are...
However, my comment was in relation to them being the conscience of the world and thus its only hope.
If our destiny rests in the hands of Taylor Swift, Harvey Weinstein, Robert DeNiro, Jim Carrey, Bette Midler or Homer Simpson then we may as well launch the nukes and get it over with.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2019, 05:47:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2019, 05:47:20 PM
Um hello, Im an artist motherfuckers!!!Quote from: "Blazor"
lol
And great people they are...
However, my comment was in relation to them being the conscience of the world and thus its only hope.
If our destiny rests in the hands of Taylor Swift, Harvey Weinstein, Robert DeNiro, Jim Carrey, Bette Midler or Homer Simpson then we may as well launch the nukes and get it over with.
I agree Bricktop, but not about nuclear annihilation.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Bricktop on March 21, 2019, 05:50:21 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 21, 2019, 05:50:21 PM
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2019, 05:54:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2019, 05:54:20 PM
Then let us hope Oprah never becomes President of the US.Quote from: "Bricktop"
As messed up as that sounds, it is possible.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Bricktop on March 21, 2019, 06:25:37 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 21, 2019, 06:25:37 PM
"You get a car...and you get a car...and YOU get a car....what do you mean we've run out of money???"
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2019, 06:27:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2019, 06:27:42 PM
Then the end is well and truly nigh.Quote from: "Bricktop"
"You get a car...and you get a car...and YOU get a car....what do you mean we've run out of money???"
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Blazor on March 21, 2019, 07:25:56 PM
Post by: Blazor on March 21, 2019, 07:25:56 PM
Um hello, Im an artist motherfuckers!!!Quote from: "Blazor"
lol
And great people they are...
However, my comment was in relation to them being the conscience of the world and thus its only hope.
If our destiny rests in the hands of Taylor Swift, Harvey Weinstein, Robert DeNiro, Jim Carrey, Bette Midler or Homer Simpson then we may as well launch the nukes and get it over with.
Oh I know lol.
Too true.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Blazor on March 21, 2019, 07:26:33 PM
Post by: Blazor on March 21, 2019, 07:26:33 PM
Then let us hope Oprah never becomes President of the US.Quote from: "Bricktop"
As messed up as that sounds, it is possible.
Its very possible. Hope not either.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Blazor on March 21, 2019, 07:26:50 PM
Post by: Blazor on March 21, 2019, 07:26:50 PM
Then the end is well and truly nigh.Quote from: "Bricktop"
"You get a car...and you get a car...and YOU get a car....what do you mean we've run out of money???"
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: kiebers on March 22, 2019, 09:20:29 AM
Post by: kiebers on March 22, 2019, 09:20:29 AM
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2019, 09:27:32 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2019, 09:27:32 AM
He probably got removed for busting A.O.C. over her climate stance. Skip to about 4:50 on this one...LOLQuote from: "kiebers"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coqV6D-IrM0
I watched half of it..
I'll watch the other half later on.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2019, 09:44:13 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2019, 09:44:13 AM
I been saying this is happening for over a year now! A LOT of the stuff I use to look up, gone. Its like a purge of certain info has been happening.Quote from: "Blazor"
"it's hard to read through the rising smoke of the books that you love to burn"
~ Phil Ochs, about 1965
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Blazor on March 22, 2019, 11:04:20 AM
Post by: Blazor on March 22, 2019, 11:04:20 AM
I been saying this is happening for over a year now! A LOT of the stuff I use to look up, gone. Its like a purge of certain info has been happening.Quote from: "Blazor"
"it's hard to read through the rising smoke of the books that you love to burn"
~ Phil Ochs, about 1965
Oh man, exactly what they are doing! In an E-sense, burning the books!
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Bricktop on March 22, 2019, 06:54:50 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 22, 2019, 06:54:50 PM
You cannot burn knowledge.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2019, 07:03:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2019, 07:03:37 PM
You can burn all the books you want.Quote from: "Bricktop"
You cannot burn knowledge.
You make it socially unacceptabe or even illegal to possess certain knowledge.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Bricktop on March 22, 2019, 08:02:01 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 22, 2019, 08:02:01 PM
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Blazor on March 22, 2019, 08:39:36 PM
Post by: Blazor on March 22, 2019, 08:39:36 PM
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Bricktop on March 22, 2019, 09:03:46 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 22, 2019, 09:03:46 PM
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Bricktop on March 22, 2019, 09:06:13 PM
Post by: Bricktop on March 22, 2019, 09:06:13 PM
You can burn all the books you want.Quote from: "Bricktop"
You cannot burn knowledge.
You make it socially unacceptabe or even illegal to possess certain knowledge.
Nobody should fear invoking social ostracisation because of the knowledge they carry. If someone wishes to ignore me for my beliefs, no harm done.
That would never prevent me from exposing those beliefs if and when appropriate.
Knowledge, on the other hand, is a different thing. In this modern era, knowledge is no longer based on fact.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2019, 11:20:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2019, 11:20:25 PM
You can burn all the books you want.Quote from: "Bricktop"
You cannot burn knowledge.
You make it socially unacceptabe or even illegal to possess certain knowledge.
Nobody should fear invoking social ostracisation because of the knowledge they carry. If someone wishes to ignore me for my beliefs, no harm done.
That would never prevent me from exposing those beliefs if and when appropriate.
Knowledge, on the other hand, is a different thing. In this modern era, knowledge is no longer based on fact.
Forget about social ostracization. In some European countries, you can do time for letting people know your opinions.
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Bricktop on March 23, 2019, 02:19:21 AM
Post by: Bricktop on March 23, 2019, 02:19:21 AM
Title: Re: Google "Goes Orwell", Erasing Picture Of Climate Dissident Founder From History Of Greenpeace
Post by: Anonymous on March 23, 2019, 10:54:43 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 23, 2019, 10:54:43 AM
You can burn all the books you want.Quote from: "Bricktop"
You cannot burn knowledge.
You make it socially unacceptabe or even illegal to possess certain knowledge.
Nobody should fear invoking social ostracisation because of the knowledge they carry. If someone wishes to ignore me for my beliefs, no harm done.
That would never prevent me from exposing those beliefs if and when appropriate.
Knowledge, on the other hand, is a different thing. In this modern era, knowledge is no longer based on fact.
Forget about social ostracization. In some European countries, you can do time for letting people know your opinions.
Taiwan is moving to make the media freer and the opposite is happening in Canada and Western Europe.