https://www.breitbart.com/news/russian-plane-in-venezuela-amid-reports-of-russian-military-arrival/
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Looks like the U.S. won't be getting the regime change they've been stoking.
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Looks like the U.S. won't be getting the regime change they've been stoking.
Oh my.
Yikes
Russia has invested a lot in Maduro. So has China.
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Looks like the U.S. won't be getting the regime change they've been stoking.
Why would they bother.
Leave the place alone.
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His regime is on borrowed time.
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Some of Venezuela's oil is actually owned by China.
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Looks like the U.S. won't be getting the regime change they've been stoking.
Why would they bother.
Leave the place alone.
They'll have to now.
Actually, no.
Our media are very good at hyping up Russia as an invincible and unsurpassable foe that is beyond Western military power. This is not true.
Russia is nowhere near as military capable as the USA and NATO, and unlike the Cold War, has no immediate allies. If they push too hard, they risk a military response they cannot combat. The US and NATO outgun Russia in the air and at sea. Russia has a massive land force...but it has a massive land mass to defend.
The West is leery of Russia due to its unpredictability and chest thumping, but if push comes to shove, Russia will need to stand down. They will not wish to go nuclear, and they lack the conventional firepower to withstand Western military might.
The US has already reminded Russia that it has some Trump cards (pun intended) when it fired 50 odd Cruise missiles at Assad's chemical weapons cache. Russia mouthed off...but that was all.
RAND did a war game scenario not too long along and NATO forces repeatedly lost against Russian forces in Europe. Add in the constant military upgrades and in particular hypersonic missiles, and yeah, you're trapped in the thinking of past decades.
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Our media are very good at hyping up Russia as an invincible and unsurpassable foe that is beyond Western military power. This is not true.
Russia is nowhere near as military capable as the USA and NATO, and unlike the Cold War, has no immediate allies. If they push too hard, they risk a military response they cannot combat. The US and NATO outgun Russia in the air and at sea. Russia has a massive land force...but it has a massive land mass to defend.
The West is leery of Russia due to its unpredictability and chest thumping, but if push comes to shove, Russia will need to stand down. They will not wish to go nuclear, and they lack the conventional firepower to withstand Western military might.
The US has already reminded Russia that it has some Trump cards (pun intended) when it fired 50 odd Cruise missiles at Assad's chemical weapons cache. Russia mouthed off...but that was all.
Technology wise, the Russian military is far behind America, China and Israel.
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NATO may well be outgunned by Russian forces...but the US is hardly going to allow its NATO forces to fall without intervening.
Hypersonic missiles are not superweapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vojeoOOEzgI
Russia is very good at announcing new weapons and building prototypes. Manufacturing them to military levels, however, is quite another thing. Remember the PAK50, that was to be their answer to the F22. Cancelled, because they simply couldn't get the bugs out and manufacture the aircraft reliably.
Russia does lead with tanks, which is why they seem to hold the edge in European land warfare. But tanks are not battlefield winners.
If the red button is pushed, I'd back NATO every time.
The red buttons being pushed would be an instant defeat for all sides but their unused existence prevents any equipped nation from losing by themselves.
So I don't put much stock in unused red buttons. The conventional options are the worries. The US can't be everywhere and they shouldn't be. Russia and China have been playing rapid catch up and in some cases surpassing.
It's not going to end well for the West and when the US retreats from the Asia Pacific, Australia is a sitting duck.
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Looks like the U.S. won't be getting the regime change they've been stoking.
Why would they bother.
Leave the place alone.
They caint, BT
Same reason they couldn't leave Iraq alone.
Its all about the oil
USA might not be worse than Russia or China, but they're also no better.
Just another superpower trying to gobble up another nation's resources
Like any superpower they'll stop at nothing to get it.
Oil is a very small concern. The US has always meddled in the politics of South and Central American nations regardless of resources.
They've always feared a unified and powerful Southern neighbour consortium
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Looks like the U.S. won't be getting the regime change they've been stoking.
Why would they bother.
Leave the place alone.
They caint, BTa
Same reason they couldn't leave Iraq alone.
Its all about the oil
USA might not be worse than Russia or China, but they're also no better.
Just another superpower trying to gobble up another nation's resources
Like any superpower they'll stop at nothing to get it.
Shows how little you know. The US did not get any cheap oil out of Iraq. Zero, nada. And Russia has no interest in seeing competing Venezuelan oil flood the market. Not that it matters anyway, because China owns the rights to some Venezuelan oil.
Anyway, I explained this to you before. In fact, I did in this very thread. You didn't read posts again.
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Looks like the U.S. won't be getting the regime change they've been stoking.
Why would they bother.
Leave the place alone.
They caint, BTa
Same reason they couldn't leave Iraq alone.
Its all about the oil
USA might not be worse than Russia or China, but they're also no better.
Just another superpower trying to gobble up another nation's resources
Like any superpower they'll stop at nothing to get it.
Shows how little you know. The US did not get any cheap oil out of Iraq. Zero, nada. And Russia has no interest in seeing competing Venezuelan oil flood the market. Not that it matters anyway, because China owns the rights to some Venezuelan oil.
Yes, you have on more than one occasion..
But, it's the same when Seoul explained to him more than once that congress not the president is responsible for budgets..
That's why Seoul ignores him now.....he doesn't read what people write..
I won't derail this thread anymore.
I think that instead of typing out replies to Joe which he won't fully read if at all, every poster should print out their reply on sheets of paper to be placed in between Joe's bald sweaty skull and his toupees so he can read through reverse osmosis.
Back to the OP for me though.
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Back to the OP for me though.
Not a bad idea. Berating the old virgin about not reading what type hasn't worked.
And nothing on the major news sources here about the op.
I'm not surprised that the major news sources are avoiding it at the moment. They're still Trump Mueller Snake bit.
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True enough. That sucks all the oxygen out of the news rooms.
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True enough. That sucks all the oxygen out of the news rooms.
They're probably saving it to blame on Trump for colluding non-colludingly with Russia, next week.
They've begun to cover it now.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/russian-air-force-planes-land-in-venezuela-carrying-troops-reports-idUSKCN1R50NB
https://m.jpost.com/American-Politics/Russian-air-force-planes-land-in-Venezuela-carrying-troops-report-584470
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Looks like the U.S. won't be getting the regime change they've been stoking.
Why would they bother.
Leave the place alone.
They caint, BTa
Same reason they couldn't leave Iraq alone.
Its all about the oil
USA might not be worse than Russia or China, but they're also no better.
Just another superpower trying to gobble up another nation's resources
Like any superpower they'll stop at nothing to get it.
Shows how little you know. The US did not get any cheap oil out of Iraq. Zero, nada. And Russia has no interest in seeing competing Venezuelan oil flood the market. Not that it matters anyway, because China owns the rights to some Venezuelan oil.
Yes, you have on more than one occasion..
But, it's the same when Seoul explained to him more than once that congress not the president is responsible for budgets..
That's why Seoul ignores him now.....he doesn't read what people write..
I won't derail this thread anymore.
Excuse me Fashionista, but did one if my posts in my thread just get deleted?
Just wondering thats all.
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Looks like the U.S. won't be getting the regime change they've been stoking.
Why would they bother.
Leave the place alone.
They caint, BTa
Same reason they couldn't leave Iraq alone.
Its all about the oil
USA might not be worse than Russia or China, but they're also no better.
Just another superpower trying to gobble up another nation's resources
Like any superpower they'll stop at nothing to get it.
Shows how little you know. The US did not get any cheap oil out of Iraq. Zero, nada. And Russia has no interest in seeing competing Venezuelan oil flood the market. Not that it matters anyway, because China owns the rights to some Venezuelan oil.
Yes, you have on more than one occasion..
But, it's the same when Seoul explained to him more than once that congress not the president is responsible for budgets..
That's why Seoul ignores him now.....he doesn't read what people write..
I won't derail this thread anymore.
Excuse me Fashionista, but did one if my posts in my thread just get deleted?
Just wondering thats all.
No, I moved it to RR along with DD's reply..
https://thebluecashew.net/post303263.html#p303263
Your post had nothing to do with this thread..
But, you don't read what people write, so you wouldn't know.
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Looks like the U.S. won't be getting the regime change they've been stoking.
Why would they bother.
Leave the place alone.
They caint, BTa
Same reason they couldn't leave Iraq alone.
Its all about the oil
USA might not be worse than Russia or China, but they're also no better.
Just another superpower trying to gobble up another nation's resources
Like any superpower they'll stop at nothing to get it.
Shows how little you know. The US did not get any cheap oil out of Iraq. Zero, nada. And Russia has no interest in seeing competing Venezuelan oil flood the market. Not that it matters anyway, because China owns the rights to some Venezuelan oil.
Yes, you have on more than one occasion..
But, it's the same when Seoul explained to him more than once that congress not the president is responsible for budgets..
That's why Seoul ignores him now.....he doesn't read what people write..
I won't derail this thread anymore.
Excuse me Fashionista, but did one if my posts in my thread just get deleted?
Just wondering thats all.
No, I moved it to RR along with DD's reply..
https://thebluecashew.net/post303263.html#p303263
Your post had nothing to do with this thread..
But, you don't read what people write, so you wouldn't know.
Old Joe knows his derailing post was moved to Misc in RR.
Trump says Russia must get out of Venezuela.
US President Donald Trump has warned that Russia must get out of Venezuela.
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Speaking at the White House, Trump also warned that "all options are open" when it comes to getting Russia out of Venezuela.
Around 100 Russian troops touched down in Caracas on Saturday, a show of support for President Nicolas Maduro's government. The move caused consternation in Washington, however, with Vice President Mike Pence calling the deployment an "unnecessary provocation."
Pence also called on Russia to withdraw its support of Maduro and "stand with Juan Guaido," the Washington-sponsored opposition leader who declared himself interim president in January.
Trump met with Guaido's wife, Fabiana Rosales, on Wednesday, and pledged his support to her husband. After the momentum behind his play for the presidency fizzled out, Guaido has continued to criticize Maduro's government, on Tuesday accusing the Venezuelan leader of violating the country's constitution by welcoming the Russian troops.
The Russian Foreign Ministry, meanwhile, insisted that the deployment was carried out "in strict accordance with the constitution of that country and with full respect for its legal norms."
US officials have repeatedly warned Russia against intervening in the Guaido/Maduro power struggle. National Security Adviser John Bolton tweeted on Monday that the "United States will not tolerate hostile foreign military powers meddling with the Western Hemisphere's shared goals of democracy, security, and the rule of law."
Bolton's words echoed those of Senate Armed Services Committee chair Jim Inhofe (R-Iowa), who threatened "whatever action necessary" should Russia encroach on "our hemisphere" last month.
https://www.rt.com/news/454901-russia-leave-venezuela-trump/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=push_notifications
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US President Donald Trump has warned that Russia must get out of Venezuela.
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Speaking at the White House, Trump also warned that "all options are open" when it comes to getting Russia out of Venezuela.
Around 100 Russian troops touched down in Caracas on Saturday, a show of support for President Nicolas Maduro's government. The move caused consternation in Washington, however, with Vice President Mike Pence calling the deployment an "unnecessary provocation."
Pence also called on Russia to withdraw its support of Maduro and "stand with Juan Guaido," the Washington-sponsored opposition leader who declared himself interim president in January.
Trump met with Guaido's wife, Fabiana Rosales, on Wednesday, and pledged his support to her husband. After the momentum behind his play for the presidency fizzled out, Guaido has continued to criticize Maduro's government, on Tuesday accusing the Venezuelan leader of violating the country's constitution by welcoming the Russian troops.
The Russian Foreign Ministry, meanwhile, insisted that the deployment was carried out "in strict accordance with the constitution of that country and with full respect for its legal norms."
US officials have repeatedly warned Russia against intervening in the Guaido/Maduro power struggle. National Security Adviser John Bolton tweeted on Monday that the "United States will not tolerate hostile foreign military powers meddling with the Western Hemisphere's shared goals of democracy, security, and the rule of law."
Bolton's words echoed those of Senate Armed Services Committee chair Jim Inhofe (R-Iowa), who threatened "whatever action necessary" should Russia encroach on "our hemisphere" last month.
https://www.rt.com/news/454901-russia-leave-venezuela-trump/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=push_notifications
Venezuela is not as important to Russia as it is to China.
Funny how the US gets its panties in a bunch when other nations don't do what the US wants.
Rather unpatriotic of you, Aaron.
I'm not your Aaron character. Please go away.
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From what I have read, the USA doesn't want any other major power in the Americas.
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From what I have read, the USA doesn't want any other major power in the Americas.
Or anywhere it invades or enters. Like Syria et cetera.