THeBlueCashew

Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Bricktop"It's in the American DNA.

There are lots of urban Americans who would like a total ban on hunting.

Yes, but they wear skinny jeans, scarves, top knots, and drink craft beer and soy lattes while fingering themselves to the thought of the reanimated corpses of Marx and Trotsky slow dancing and making out in the Oval Office.

Quote from: "Zetsu"When the hunter have to cuss with teh poor dead bear, think he's all tough when he has a gun, the guy seriously deserves to be banned from hunting, I can never trust these people with a firearm.

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "Zetsu"When the hunter have to cuss with teh poor dead bear, think he's all tough when he has a gun, the guy seriously deserves to be banned from hunting, I can never trust these people with a firearm.

I aint arguing with that. I shoot badgers and coyotes on my farm because they are frickin pests. I don't need the old lady's horse or my cattle stepping in giant badger holes and breaking their legs. And both coyotes and badgers will eat my chickens and turkeys. I see the bastards, I shoot the bastards. But, a bear on it's own turf. That was stupid.

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "Zetsu"When the hunter have to cuss with teh poor dead bear, think he's all tough when he has a gun, the guy seriously deserves to be banned from hunting, I can never trust these people with a firearm.

I aint arguing with that. I shoot badgers and coyotes on my farm because they are frickin pests. I don't need the old lady's horse or my cattle stepping in giant badger holes and breaking their legs. And both coyotes and badgers will eat my chickens and turkeys. I see the bastards, I shoot the bastards. But, a bear on it's own turf. That was stupid.

I agree with ya brother, and in your case it makes much more sense to take the pest out that is killing your live stocks and damaging your property.  But these guys are different, they just seem to have little respect for nature itself.  IMO there's really only 3 reasons I can think of to kill an animal, it's either to protect yourself and other lives/homes, etc, or to eat, and last to end any pain and suffering they're going through.

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "Zetsu"When the hunter have to cuss with teh poor dead bear, think he's all tough when he has a gun, the guy seriously deserves to be banned from hunting, I can never trust these people with a firearm.

I aint arguing with that. I shoot badgers and coyotes on my farm because they are frickin pests. I don't need the old lady's horse or my cattle stepping in giant badger holes and breaking their legs. And both coyotes and badgers will eat my chickens and turkeys. I see the bastards, I shoot the bastards. But, a bear on it's own turf. That was stupid.

I agree with ya brother, and in your case it makes much more sense to take the pest out that is killing your live stocks and damaging your property.  But these guys are different, they just seem to have little respect for nature itself.  IMO there's really only 3 reasons I can think of to kill an animal, it's either to protect yourself and other lives/homes, etc, or to eat, and last to end any pain and suffering they're going through.

Quote from: "Bricktop"It's in the American DNA.

Quote from: "Peaches"

Quote from: "Bricktop"It's in the American DNA.

That's fricking preposterous.  There IS no specifically American DNA, as you'd know if you actually visited the country and sampled it.



All the same, it's nice to read a thread where you and Dinky sort of agree about something, even if it's not til after the ceremonial pie throwing.   ac_dance

Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"You should do it even if just once or twice. Go with an experienced hunter who shows you the ropes safely and responsibly. Small game is easier and you'll get the chance to field dress it, process it, and eat it.



It's a spiritual act, particularly the first time. Teaches you to value and respect life plus it puts existence in perspective. I think everyone who eats animal products should experience and participate in the process rather than only getting it from a cellophane wrapped tray at the supermarket.

Quote from: "Peaches"There IS no specifically American DNA, as you'd know if you actually visited the country and sampled it.

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Peaches"

Quote from: "Bricktop"It's in the American DNA.

That's fricking preposterous.  There IS no specifically American DNA, as you'd know if you actually visited the country and sampled it.



All the same, it's nice to read a thread where you and Dinky sort of agree about something, even if it's not til after the ceremonial pie throwing.   ac_dance

That American DNA comment was a it silly, but Bricktop knows that anyway..



Is if feeling like spring yet where you live..



We are going to get cold again next week.

Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "Peaches"There IS no specifically American DNA, as you'd know if you actually visited the country and sampled it.

I have visited your country.



When is the last time you were in Australia?



The reference to "American DNA" was, I thought, an obvious reference to CULTURAL DNA.



And killing is very much a part of that cultural DNA.

Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"Your reply to my honest question is really lame.

If the word "honest" suddenly leapt out of a dictionary and slapped your stupid bald head, you'd still wonder what it meant.



Your presence here is a troll. Every post you spit out is just a part of that troll.



One day, if and when you grow up and act like an adult, perhaps then we might engage in a conversation. But that's a long shot.

Quote from: "Peaches"


There are around a dozen Balkanized sub-regions in the US, and I'm just wondering how many of them you've seen.  I've been in Australia only once, about 55 years ago, but only Sydney (and briefly Melbourne,) so as you may've noticed I don't claim or imply any expertise in its culture.



I did assume you meant the DNA remark metaphorically, but I found the metaphor itself to be faulty so I questioned it.  And since you chose to double down on it, I have to say that not only do prevailing attitudes about "killing" vary noticeably amongst those regions, they also vary inside all those regions and often within biological families, which suggests that unlike hair color the said attitudes are not heritable.

Quote from: "Peaches"To me it seems a bit narcissistic of you to say this, and your constant reiteration of it has failed so far to convince me it's true.  I'll concede that DD does seem to have a bit of a crusty front towards you, but I often get the same kind of front from "her."  Just consider that maybe it's not about you at all, and Diana's just a bitch.

Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "Peaches"


There are around a dozen Balkanized sub-regions in the US, and I'm just wondering how many of them you've seen.  I've been in Australia only once, about 55 years ago, but only Sydney (and briefly Melbourne,) so as you may've noticed I don't claim or imply any expertise in its culture.



I did assume you meant the DNA remark metaphorically, but I found the metaphor itself to be faulty so I questioned it.  And since you chose to double down on it, I have to say that not only do prevailing attitudes about "killing" vary noticeably amongst those regions, they also vary inside all those regions and often within biological families, which suggests that unlike hair color the said attitudes are not heritable.

I do not much care how you attribute and distribute your nation's cultural DNA. It bemuses me when someone makes a comment on some American trait, and the response is often "oh, that's in another State". America is a single nation. And its NATIONAL cultural DNA contains a disturbing propensity for violence and killing.

Quote from: "Peaches"To me it seems a bit narcissistic of you to say this, and your constant reiteration of it has failed so far to convince me it's true.  I'll concede that DD does seem to have a bit of a crusty front towards you, but I often get the same kind of front from "her."  Just consider that maybe it's not about you at all, and Diana's just a bitch.

Now there's an about face. It WAS you who regaled Freud's troll as succeeding day by day, was it not?  



However, of greater significance is the fact that I know Dinky is Freud and if you're not convinced it is of absolutely NO consequence either way.



Your post smells of duplicity. You know full well Dinky is Freud, yet you seem to be joining in the troll by offering doubt and denial.



With respect, it would be better if you confined this sort of agitating to your own forum, where it is more de rigeur...

Quote from: "Bricktop"America is a single, sovereign nation.



At THAT level, it has demonstrated, constantly, a propensity for violence and killing.



Let us take Hollywood, for example. It churns out thousands of deaths (fictitious in the main) a year. Is that not part of American culture?



School shootings have occurred in many parts of the US. Is that not part of the American culture?



America, for no supportable or lawful reason, has attacked Cuba, Vietnam, Korea (although that was the UN...so you get half a pass), Iraq, Libya, Panama, Nicaragua (via proxy) and has meddled in the affairs of Chile, Iran, and Syria. America is the one and only nation to have used nuclear devices against another country with NO redeeming justification whatsoever.



America is a country that turns violence into profit, and venerates firearms. Guns and killing are problem solvers in the US.



I will stand by my position that [size=150]violence and killing is deeply woven into the fabric of American culture and society.[/size] Prove me wrong.

Quote from: "Peaches"


America from Teddy Roosevelt's time onward is a different story.  And America from the WW2 era onward is a much different story.  But what you are attributing to "culture" is a violent set of behaviors that I attribute to the triumph of corporatism, the military-industrial complex, and a profoundly disgusting series of wealth transfers upward to its kleptocracy.

Quote from: "seoulbro"

Quote from: "Peaches"


America from Teddy Roosevelt's time onward is a different story.  And America from the WW2 era onward is a much different story.  But what you are attributing to "culture" is a violent set of behaviors that I attribute to the triumph of corporatism, the military-industrial complex, and a profoundly disgusting series of wealth transfers upward to its kleptocracy.

Hogwash.Post WW2 US saw the expansion of the middle class, living standards and upward mobility.

QuoteEventually the U.S. taxpayers will be asked to make "free-of-risk" bail-outs of "private" enterprises



— Fuller, p.87

Quote from: "Peaches"


America, as a monolithic entity, has rarely existed.  Its psyche has been largely one of deep divisions.

Aside from genocides and slavery, though, its history up to the turn of the twentieth century is no more bloody than those of the European countries that settled its white population.

Quote from: "Peaches"[

Nevertheless, in Chapter 3 of Bucky Fuller's 1981 book Critical Path he shows how between 1945 and 1980, some forty-five trillion dollars had been transferred upward.  He also made this prediction:

Quote from: "Bricktop"'



That is a spurious position at best.

Quote from: "seoulbro"
I am not going to comment on what is really an op-ed.

Quote from: "seoulbro"

Quote from: "Peaches"[

Nevertheless, in Chapter 3 of Bucky Fuller's 1981 book Critical Path he shows how between 1945 and 1980, some forty-five trillion dollars had been transferred upward.  He also made this prediction:

I am not going to comment on what is really an op-ed.



The US, Gross Domestic Product increased from $228 billion in 1945 to just under $1.7 trillion in 1975. The US underwent its own golden age of economic growth. This growth was distributed fairly evenly across the economic classes, which some attribute to the strength of labor unions in this period—labor union membership peaked during the 1950s. Much of the growth came from the movement of low-income farm workers into better-paying jobs in the towns and cities—a process largely completed by 1960.



Libertarian historian Burton W. Folsom Jr. argues that under the leadership of Senator Walter George, Congress ended most economic controls, cut taxes, slashed spending, and expected entrepreneurs to create the jobs needed for the returning soldiers. The predicted postwar depression never happened and the economy grew rapidly as unemployment stabilized at 3.9 percent.

Quote from: "Peaches"
Ultimately, it's just a flowery way for you to walk back from the DNA metaphor without admitting it was lame.   ac_umm

Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "Peaches"
Ultimately, it's just a flowery way for you to walk back from the DNA metaphor without admitting it was lame.   ac_umm

My words were, as usual, specifically chosen. Your claim that AMERICA does not have a cultural DNA because it has a diversity of sub-cultures is in my view fallacious...or spurious, if you will.



My usage of "DNA" as a metaphor for intrinsic and inherent cultural traits for a given population is clear and accurate. I still await your rebuttal, rather than bickering on semantics.

Quote from: "seoulbro"

Quote from: "Peaches"[

Nevertheless, in Chapter 3 of Bucky Fuller's 1981 book Critical Path he shows how between 1945 and 1980, some forty-five trillion dollars had been transferred upward.  He also made this prediction:

I am not going to comment on what is really an op-ed.



The US, Gross Domestic Product increased from $228 billion in 1945 to just under $1.7 trillion in 1975. The US underwent its own golden age of economic growth. This growth was distributed fairly evenly across the economic classes, which some attribute to the strength of labor unions in this period—labor union membership peaked during the 1950s. Much of the growth came from the movement of low-income farm workers into better-paying jobs in the towns and cities—a process largely completed by 1960.



Libertarian historian Burton W. Folsom Jr. argues that under the leadership of Senator Walter George, Congress ended most economic controls, cut taxes, slashed spending, and expected entrepreneurs to create the jobs needed for the returning soldiers. The predicted postwar depression never happened and the economy grew rapidly as unemployment stabilized at 3.9 percent.