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Title: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2019, 02:52:09 PM
Notre-Dame Cathedral went up in flames on Monday in a massive blaze that devastated the Parisian landmark, one of France's most visited sites.



Flames that began in the early evening burst quickly through the roof of the centuries-old cathedral and engulfed the spire, which collapsed, followed by the entire roof.



A huge plume of smoke wafted across the city and ash fell over a large area.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/notre-dame-cathedral-paris-fire-1.5098604

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Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Odinson on April 15, 2019, 03:01:40 PM
Its being renovated..



Probably not a terrorist attack.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Odinson on April 15, 2019, 03:05:05 PM
According to this article catholic churches have been vandalized across France..



And the officials dont know why...



https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Odinson on April 15, 2019, 03:05:54 PM
Might be muslims or some "righteous" muslim lover whites..
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2019, 03:08:54 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"Its being renovated..



Probably not a terrorist attack.

From what I've read Odi, terrorism is not suspected.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Odinson on April 15, 2019, 03:14:35 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"Its being renovated..



Probably not a terrorist attack.

From what I've read Odi, terrorism is not suspected.


It is the best target in Europe..





That and the Eiffel tower.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: cc on April 15, 2019, 03:15:37 PM
Yes. a prime and often stated target



However, while there have been several churches damaged badly in France this past week, so far there is nothing to suspect it was deliberate
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Wazzzup on April 15, 2019, 03:16:49 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"Its being renovated..



Probably not a terrorist attack.

From what I've read Odi, terrorism is not suspected.


It is the best target in Europe..





That and the Eiffel tower.
And Jihadtards have tried to go after that.



Fires start for all sorts of reasons, chances are its not Muslims, BUT if it does end up being Muslims I wouldn't be surprised.



https://pics.me.me/steve-greenberg-artcom-radical-islam-coexist-2736776.png[/img]
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2019, 03:23:31 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"Its being renovated..



Probably not a terrorist attack.

From what I've read Odi, terrorism is not suspected.


It is the best target in Europe..





That and the Eiffel tower.
And Jihadtards have tried to go after that.



Fires start for all sorts of reasons, chances are its not Muslims, BUT if it does end up being Muslims I wouldn't be surprised.



https://pics.me.me/steve-greenberg-artcom-radical-islam-coexist-2736776.png[/img]

But, so far there is no evidence of arson.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2019, 03:27:16 PM
Buy some marshmallows, a long stick and head to Paris.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Wazzzup on April 15, 2019, 03:28:52 PM
Its probably not arson, probably not terrorism, but we'll see.



BTW

A whole lot of people with Arab names are finding the historic Notre Dame ablaze very funny.



Twitter user Damien Rieu posted a video showing the amount of people responding to a video of the Paris church with a "laughing" face emoji.[/quote]

https://twitter.com/DamienRieu/status/1117852138531479552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1117852138531479552&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theamericanmirror.com%2Farabs-laugh-at-burning-notre-dame-cathedral%2F
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: cc on April 15, 2019, 03:38:36 PM
Report - Appears to have started within an area where work was going on. Seems a work-related  fire



Still too early to know much for certain
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2019, 03:39:06 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"Its probably not arson, probably not terrorism, but we'll see.



BTW

A whole lot of people with Arab names are finding the historic Notre Dame ablaze very funny.



Twitter user Damien Rieu posted a video showing the amount of people responding to a video of the Paris church with a "laughing" face emoji.


https://twitter.com/DamienRieu/status/1117852138531479552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1117852138531479552&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theamericanmirror.com%2Farabs-laugh-at-burning-notre-dame-cathedral%2F[/quote]
Something tells me their reaction would be different if it were The Grande Mosquée de Paris.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Wazzzup on April 15, 2019, 04:03:56 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"Its probably not arson, probably not terrorism, but we'll see.



BTW

A whole lot of people with Arab names are finding the historic Notre Dame ablaze very funny.



Twitter user Damien Rieu posted a video showing the amount of people responding to a video of the Paris church with a "laughing" face emoji.


https://twitter.com/DamienRieu/status/1117852138531479552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1117852138531479552&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theamericanmirror.com%2Farabs-laugh-at-burning-notre-dame-cathedral%2F

Something tells me their reaction would be different if it were The Grande Mosquée de Paris.[/quote]
No doubt, and you can bet they would be accusing people of having done it, and not with any sense of restraint, so would the media.



One of the main reasons I wonder if this was deliberate is because its holy week.  Coincidence?  Dunno
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on April 15, 2019, 05:10:20 PM
It's incredible that such a structure continued to stand to this day. It is sad to see it burning down but it might be refurbished some more. I've been there to see it. It is absolutely iconic, and sitting beside the River Seine makes for a picture perfect postcard or photo souvenir.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on April 15, 2019, 05:13:08 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"Its probably not arson, probably not terrorism, but we'll see.



BTW

A whole lot of people with Arab names are finding the historic Notre Dame ablaze very funny.



Twitter user Damien Rieu posted a video showing the amount of people responding to a video of the Paris church with a "laughing" face emoji.


https://twitter.com/DamienRieu/status/1117852138531479552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1117852138531479552&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theamericanmirror.com%2Farabs-laugh-at-burning-notre-dame-cathedral%2F

Something tells me their reaction would be different if it were The Grande Mosquée de Paris.

No doubt, and you can bet they would be accusing people of having done it, and not with any sense of restraint, so would the media.



One of the main reasons I wonder if this was deliberate is because its holy week.  Coincidence?  Dunno[/quote]

Hm, could very well be an act of war on Christianity but I will not assume because there has been no evidence or proof.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Odinson on April 15, 2019, 05:16:45 PM
Maybe we should stick our tongues further up in muslim ass so that they wouldnt laugh at this...





Thats the leftie way..







I´m sure some outstanding muslim lover suggests that.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2019, 05:18:12 PM
I will never see Notre Dame now.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on April 15, 2019, 05:33:10 PM
Forget muslims for a moment. Take this perspective from a Jew:



"If we wish to uphold the beauty and profundity of the Notre Dame cathedral, that means re-familiarizing ourselves with the philosophy and religious principles that built it."



Aha! That's pretty controversial. That is by Ben Shapiro on Twitter.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2019, 05:34:23 PM
Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"Forget muslims for a moment. Take this perspective from a Jew:



"If we wish to uphold the beauty and profundity of the Notre Dame cathedral, that means re-familiarizing ourselves with the philosophy and religious principles that built it."



Aha! That's pretty controversial. That is by Ben Shapiro on Twitter.

Ben is a realist.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on April 15, 2019, 05:35:31 PM
I suppose so.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2019, 05:53:23 PM
Ben Shapiro is an intelligent conservative.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 15, 2019, 06:31:02 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"I will never see Notre Dame now.


Some years ago, before muslims began their unholy war, you could climb the steps of the south tower and walk around the roof, amongst the "grotesques" (often erroneously called "gargoyles"). You actually accessed the roof through the bell mechanism and the small apartment the bellringer occupied (think Quasimodo). It was one of my most memorable experiences.



The damage appears confined to the rear of the church, so hopefully the front towers and facade will survive. However, they are reporting that many of the beautiful and dazzling stained glass windows were destroyed.



Sad.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Gaon on April 15, 2019, 06:37:40 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "seoulbro"I will never see Notre Dame now.


Some years ago, before muslims began their unholy war, you could climb the steps of the south tower and walk around the roof, amongst the "grotesques" (often erroneously called "gargoyles"). You actually accessed the roof through the bell mechanism and the small apartment the bellringer occupied (think Quasimodo). It was one of my most memorable experiences.



The damage appears confined to the rear of the church, so hopefully the front towers and facade will survive. However, they are reporting that many of the beautiful and dazzling stained glass windows were destroyed.



Sad.

That's a relief it can be rebuilt. Notre Dame is an iconic symbol of the French identity.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: caskur on April 15, 2019, 06:40:54 PM
Australia has put its hand up to help rebuild.



It'll be fixed in no time what-so-ever.





I hope it wasn't an insurance job..
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 15, 2019, 06:43:10 PM
It appears that the fire was confined to the area above the chancel, communion table, altar and pews. Sadly, that is still a major disaster, but the frontage appears to have been largely untouched.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 15, 2019, 06:51:41 PM
Quote from: "caskur"Australia has put its hand up to help rebuild.



It'll be fixed in no time what-so-ever.





I hope it wasn't an insurance job..


So, we will need a working party to assess the damage, and a Commission formed to oversee the working party. Then we'll need strategy plans drawn up with input from the unions. Of course, we'll need to engage a horde of consultants and perhaps some celebrities to head the PR push. The PM will also appoint an advisor to keep him briefed on progress.



This should take about three years.



Finally, architects will be engaged to draw up plans for rebuilding. This will take around 2 years.



Once the plans are complete, they will be assessed by the working party who will make recommendations to the relevant Minister.



The Minister will submit his recommendation to cabinet, who will consider the 40 billion costing in the next budget.



Once the budget is passed, funding will be phased in over 8 years.



In the meantime, tenders will be called for. This process will take 2 years, but thats OK because funds won't be available for 4.



Cabinet will approve the appointment of the successful tender submission.



The Company will then engage suitably skilled and qualified staff, from project managers to stone masons, painters, stained glass constructors and specialist roofers.



This will take around a year.



The complete restoration and refurbishment will be complete at the same time man walks on Mars.



I think we should leave it to the French.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: caskur on April 15, 2019, 06:56:35 PM
lol... Aus will just make a donation. They can add it to the insurance money + the faithful Christians globally who no doubt will chip in...





I studied architecture in Art History... I love all those gothic buildings.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 15, 2019, 07:05:21 PM
They are amazing...and Notre Dame, while being perhaps the more recognised, is not necessarily the most awe inspiring. It is relatively small compared to some of the grander cathedrals of Europe.



But it is one of the most beautiful, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2019, 07:37:47 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "caskur"Australia has put its hand up to help rebuild.



It'll be fixed in no time what-so-ever.





I hope it wasn't an insurance job..


So, we will need a working party to assess the damage, and a Commission formed to oversee the working party. Then we'll need strategy plans drawn up with input from the unions. Of course, we'll need to engage a horde of consultants and perhaps some celebrities to head the PR push. The PM will also appoint an advisor to keep him briefed on progress.



This should take about three years.



Finally, architects will be engaged to draw up plans for rebuilding. This will take around 2 years.



Once the plans are complete, they will be assessed by the working party who will make recommendations to the relevant Minister.



The Minister will submit his recommendation to cabinet, who will consider the 40 billion costing in the next budget.



Once the budget is passed, funding will be phased in over 8 years.



In the meantime, tenders will be called for. This process will take 2 years, but thats OK because funds won't be available for 4.



Cabinet will approve the appointment of the successful tender submission.



The Company will then engage suitably skilled and qualified staff, from project managers to stone masons, painters, stained glass constructors and specialist roofers.



This will take around a year.



The complete restoration and refurbishment will be complete at the same time man walks on Mars.



I think we should leave it to the French.

In other words, a lot less red tape than in Canada.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 15, 2019, 07:50:01 PM
Damn.



No wonder nothing gets done, then.



About 3 years ago, the Government announced that Australia would be building submarines in Adelaide, under the management of a French shipbuilder who builds the French naval submarines. $50 billion would be spent on the new fleet. Thousands of new jobs. New technologies would be developed. Adelaide will become the naval shipbuilding centre of Australia.



Guess how many submarines have been built so far?
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: caskur on April 15, 2019, 08:42:17 PM
There is no one to vote for at the upcoming elections.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 15, 2019, 09:30:27 PM
As opposed to previous elections?



What's the definition of insanity?



Doing the same thing repeatedly in the expectation that the result will somehow change.



We keep voting, they keep screwing the country up. See the pattern.



STOP VOTING.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Odinson on April 15, 2019, 10:02:15 PM
Maybe its like the reichstag fire.



Yellow vests did it..





Anyhow, Macrons actions with this will guarantee him a 2nd term.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2019, 10:11:12 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"As opposed to previous elections?



What's the definition of insanity?



Doing the same thing repeatedly in the expectation that the result will somehow change.



We keep voting, they keep screwing the country up. See the pattern.



STOP VOTING.

I didn't vote in the advance polls for our provincial election and I'm undecided if I will vote tomorrow on election day.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Odinson on April 15, 2019, 10:15:53 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"I will never see Notre Dame now.


Its not like it was in its original form..



It has been vandalized, restored, renovated before.





And all great buildings have been burned down at least once in their history..





You just got to experience one of those times.





Consider yourself fortunate.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2019, 10:18:22 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"It appears that the fire was confined to the area above the chancel, communion table, altar and pews. Sadly, that is still a major disaster, but the frontage appears to have been largely untouched.


The spire after all was less than 2 centuries old.  I've heard that most of the stonework has survived, and the butresses held and the walls are mostly okay.  There is all the art, the frescoes, the roof and framing, the decor, the  << choke >> stained glass and statuary, but we probably aren't seeing anything close to a total loss.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Wazzzup on April 15, 2019, 10:21:55 PM
https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1117883209222508544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1117883209222508544&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2019%2F04%2Fdeveloping-french-media-confirms-there-were-no-construction-workers-at-notre-dame-cathedral-at-time-of-fire%2F



No workers there and Church closed at time of the fire? Hmm
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Wazzzup on April 15, 2019, 10:30:00 PM
Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"Hm, could very well be an act of war on Christianity but I will not assume because there has been no evidence or proof.
It would be wrong to assume that of course.



But it is not wrong at all to be suspicious of the possibility-- here are some good reasons--



1. The fire took place during holy week.

2. No workers were there today and the church was closed.

3. ISIS tried to blow up a car outside the church in 2016.

4. Vandalism and desecration of french churches (and synagogues) has been on the rise.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2019, 10:32:53 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"Hm, could very well be an act of war on Christianity but I will not assume because there has been no evidence or proof.
It would be wrong to assume that of course.



But it is not wrong at all to be suspicious of the possibility-- here are some good reasons--



1. The fire took place during holy week.

2. No workers were there today and the church was closed.

3. ISIS tried to blow up a car outside the church in 2016.

4. Vandalism and desecration of french churches (and synagogues) has been on the rise.

I say we blame islam now. No conclusive evidence needed.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 15, 2019, 11:55:21 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "Bricktop"It appears that the fire was confined to the area above the chancel, communion table, altar and pews. Sadly, that is still a major disaster, but the frontage appears to have been largely untouched.


The spire after all was less than 2 centuries old.  I've heard that most of the stonework has survived, and the butresses held and the walls are mostly okay.  There is all the art, the frescoes, the roof and framing, the decor, the  << choke >> stained glass and statuary, but we probably aren't seeing anything close to a total loss.


It would seem there is sufficient stonework remaining to rebuild upon.



But those windows were staggeringly beautiful works of art. I must see if I can dig my old photos out.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 16, 2019, 06:35:31 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "Bricktop"It appears that the fire was confined to the area above the chancel, communion table, altar and pews. Sadly, that is still a major disaster, but the frontage appears to have been largely untouched.


The spire after all was less than 2 centuries old.  I've heard that most of the stonework has survived, and the butresses held and the walls are mostly okay.  There is all the art, the frescoes, the roof and framing, the decor, the  > stained glass and statuary, but we probably aren't seeing anything close to a total loss.


It would seem there is sufficient stonework remaining to rebuild upon.



But those windows were staggeringly beautiful works of art. I must see if I can dig my old photos out.

That would be nice.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Odinson on April 16, 2019, 08:25:18 AM
It took 45 minutes for the fire department to show up even though there are 2 stations in walking distance from the Notre Dame..





This happened because the mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo has crippled the city´s traffic system in favour of bicycles and walking..
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 16, 2019, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: "Odinson"It took 45 minutes for the fire department to show up even though there are 2 stations in walking distance from the Notre Dame..





This happened because the mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo has crippled the city´s traffic system in favour of bicycles and walking..

Emergency services takes precedence over feel good bike lanes.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Wazzzup on April 16, 2019, 06:32:50 PM


https://www.dailywire.com/news/46029/hard-left-celebrates-notre-dames-destruction-im-paul-bois



https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1117906541225463808/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1117906541225463808&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailywire.com%2Fnews%2F46029%2Fhard-left-celebrates-notre-dames-destruction-im-paul-bois
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 16, 2019, 06:37:18 PM
As predictable as always.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on April 16, 2019, 06:58:49 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"Hm, could very well be an act of war on Christianity but I will not assume because there has been no evidence or proof.
It would be wrong to assume that of course.



But it is not wrong at all to be suspicious of the possibility-- here are some good reasons--



1. The fire took place during holy week.

2. No workers were there today and the church was closed.

3. ISIS tried to blow up a car outside the church in 2016.

4. Vandalism and desecration of french churches (and synagogues) has been on the rise.


I acknowledge that you have a point. It is also timely that many statues were taken away for restoration too some time before the incident. Hm. Ah, well. I am just speculating. Let us see what they find out.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 16, 2019, 07:42:38 PM
The reaction to this fire is rather bewildering.



Most people have never visited the cathedral, yet it seems to hold a special place in our heart. I understand how those that have seen it may feel saddened at the damage, but the reaction around the world seems somewhat overwrought.



Perhaps its because it has been romanticised by writers such as Victor Hugo and its place in the history of people rising against tyranny and indifference.



There are older, larger and more grand cathedrals all over Europe...even in England. But none seem to hold a special place in the affairs of man as this one.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on April 16, 2019, 09:12:03 PM
I'm glad I've seen it before it burned. I am not attached to the structure but I acknowledge its beauty, that it is a historical icon and a distinct symbol of Christianity. When you see the intricate work, you cannot help but be in awe. It can move you to kneel in reverence. However, In my upbringing, we were taught not to be attached to a structure. Our faith is in us, in our heart and soul. I can pray anywhere any time to seek guidance, redemption, and blessings from the Almighty, and that is sufficient. That is just how we did it in my family and I am not trying to convince anyone to do the same.



Yes, it can be rebuilt. Nothing lasts forever.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 16, 2019, 09:33:55 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"The reaction to this fire is rather bewildering.



Most people have never visited the cathedral, yet it seems to hold a special place in our heart. I understand how those that have seen it may feel saddened at the damage, but the reaction around the world seems somewhat overwrought.



Perhaps its because it has been romanticised by writers such as Victor Hugo and its place in the history of people rising against tyranny and indifference.



There are older, larger and more grand cathedrals all over Europe...even in England. But none seem to hold a special place in the affairs of man as this one.

It's not just any church though Bricktop.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Odinson on April 16, 2019, 09:36:57 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Odinson"It took 45 minutes for the fire department to show up even though there are 2 stations in walking distance from the Notre Dame..





This happened because the mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo has crippled the city´s traffic system in favour of bicycles and walking..

Emergency services takes precedence over feel good bike lanes.


Of course.. I'm guessing they have put some kind of barriers in place..



The fire department is complaining that they couldnt reach the site sooner because of the fucked up traffic system.



45 min response time in a city is horrible..
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Odinson on April 16, 2019, 09:41:32 PM
Funny how muslims are laughing at white people getting triggered..



They themselves get triggered when some1 draws a picture of mohammed..







Fucking monkeys.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 17, 2019, 12:49:54 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Bricktop"The reaction to this fire is rather bewildering.



Most people have never visited the cathedral, yet it seems to hold a special place in our heart. I understand how those that have seen it may feel saddened at the damage, but the reaction around the world seems somewhat overwrought.



Perhaps its because it has been romanticised by writers such as Victor Hugo and its place in the history of people rising against tyranny and indifference.



There are older, larger and more grand cathedrals all over Europe...even in England. But none seem to hold a special place in the affairs of man as this one.

It's not just any church though Bricktop.


Of course not.



It's a cultural icon. I don't mean to suggest that it's not an important part of French history.



But as a BUILDING, not a symbol, it is relatively average. I loved being able to freely walk around the rooftop (that no longer exists) and stand right next to the grotesques that are so well know.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2019, 06:34:32 AM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Odinson"It took 45 minutes for the fire department to show up even though there are 2 stations in walking distance from the Notre Dame..





This happened because the mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo has crippled the city´s traffic system in favour of bicycles and walking..

Emergency services takes precedence over feel good bike lanes.


Of course.. I'm guessing they have put some kind of barriers in place..



The fire department is complaining that they couldnt reach the site sooner because of the fucked up traffic system.



45 min response time in a city is horrible..

That is possible Odi..



Forty five minutes to respond.....there has to be a reason,
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2019, 08:39:38 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Bricktop"The reaction to this fire is rather bewildering.



Most people have never visited the cathedral, yet it seems to hold a special place in our heart. I understand how those that have seen it may feel saddened at the damage, but the reaction around the world seems somewhat overwrought.



Perhaps its because it has been romanticised by writers such as Victor Hugo and its place in the history of people rising against tyranny and indifference.



There are older, larger and more grand cathedrals all over Europe...even in England. But none seem to hold a special place in the affairs of man as this one.

It's not just any church though Bricktop.


Of course not.



It's a cultural icon. I don't mean to suggest that it's not an important part of French history.



But as a BUILDING, not a symbol, it is relatively average. I loved being able to freely walk around the rooftop (that no longer exists) and stand right next to the grotesques that are so well know.

The international emotional reaction to this fire is greater than when 150 people were slaughtered in Paris.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on April 17, 2019, 10:20:59 AM
I am doubtful that it is a terrorist attack. If it were, there would have been lives lost. Anyway, who really knows. It appears that no investigations have been allowed to take place due to concerns about the structural integrity of the building.



Folks are dismayed because this catastrophe occurred during Lent and what a terrible thing to happen during this period. Events must have been scheduled at the cathedral to mark this year's Lenten season.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on April 17, 2019, 10:34:33 AM
It is not steeped in medieval history but the Washington National Cathedral is just as impressive to me. They have flying buttresses too.



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Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2019, 11:48:20 AM
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Bricktop"The reaction to this fire is rather bewildering.



Most people have never visited the cathedral, yet it seems to hold a special place in our heart. I understand how those that have seen it may feel saddened at the damage, but the reaction around the world seems somewhat overwrought.



Perhaps its because it has been romanticised by writers such as Victor Hugo and its place in the history of people rising against tyranny and indifference.



There are older, larger and more grand cathedrals all over Europe...even in England. But none seem to hold a special place in the affairs of man as this one.

It's not just any church though Bricktop.


Of course not.



It's a cultural icon. I don't mean to suggest that it's not an important part of French history.



But as a BUILDING, not a symbol, it is relatively average. I loved being able to freely walk around the rooftop (that no longer exists) and stand right next to the grotesques that are so well know.

The international emotional reaction to this fire is greater than when 150 people were slaughtered in Paris.

Progs like old buildings, but hate people, especially infidels.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: caskur on April 17, 2019, 08:05:10 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"It took 45 minutes for the fire department to show up even though there are 2 stations in walking distance from the Notre Dame..





This happened because the mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo has crippled the city´s traffic system in favour of bicycles and walking..


My house was burned down despite having a fire station two minutes from where I live.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Odinson on April 17, 2019, 08:38:33 PM
Quote from: "caskur"
Quote from: "Odinson"It took 45 minutes for the fire department to show up even though there are 2 stations in walking distance from the Notre Dame..





This happened because the mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo has crippled the city´s traffic system in favour of bicycles and walking..


My house was burned down despite having a fire station two minutes from where I live.


They didnt respond or was the fire so explosive that they couldnt do anything?
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: caskur on April 17, 2019, 09:43:11 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "caskur"
Quote from: "Odinson"It took 45 minutes for the fire department to show up even though there are 2 stations in walking distance from the Notre Dame..





This happened because the mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo has crippled the city´s traffic system in favour of bicycles and walking..


My house was burned down despite having a fire station two minutes from where I live.


They didnt respond or was the fire so explosive that they couldnt do anything?




Two trucks were out fighing scrub fires and they sent a truck without water and we had to wait 15 minutes for trucks from Perth to come... It was on Feb 14 1998... in a heat wave...
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 17, 2019, 09:46:30 PM
And I bet they were deliberately lit.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: caskur on April 17, 2019, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Bricktop"The reaction to this fire is rather bewildering.



Most people have never visited the cathedral, yet it seems to hold a special place in our heart. I understand how those that have seen it may feel saddened at the damage, but the reaction around the world seems somewhat overwrought.



Perhaps its because it has been romanticised by writers such as Victor Hugo and its place in the history of people rising against tyranny and indifference.



There are older, larger and more grand cathedrals all over Europe...even in England. But none seem to hold a special place in the affairs of man as this one.

It's not just any church though Bricktop.


Of course not.



It's a cultural icon. I don't mean to suggest that it's not an important part of French history.



But as a BUILDING, not a symbol, it is relatively average. I loved being able to freely walk around the rooftop (that no longer exists) and stand right next to the grotesques that are so well know.

The international emotional reaction to this fire is greater than when 150 people were slaughtered in Paris.

Progs like old buildings, but hate people, especially infidels.




It's an irreplaceable work of art and even though it's in France it belongs to the Western World Culture predominately.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: cc on April 18, 2019, 12:02:12 AM
Just in - man arrested carrying gas cans and lighters into St Patrick's in NY



You gotta hear his reason.



"I ran out of gas and was taking a short cut to my van"
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2019, 07:03:48 AM
Quote from: "cc"Just in - man arrested carrying gas cans and lighters into St Patrick's in NY



You gotta hear his reason.



"I ran out of gas and was taking a short cut to my van"

I will lol at his excuse, but I breathe a sigh of relief no fire was deliberately started.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: cc on April 18, 2019, 02:20:44 PM
Agree both



Fun Fact: Police found lots of gas in his van, so he's dead in the water



He gets points  for quick thinking  ac_biggrin



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Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2019, 03:15:36 PM
Quote from: "cc"Just in - man arrested carrying gas cans and lighters into St Patrick's in NY



You gotta hear his reason.



"I ran out of gas and was taking a short cut to my van"

 ac_lmfao
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Odinson on April 18, 2019, 06:14:55 PM
Here is the reason for the fire..



"Investigators Trace Cause Of Notre Dame Fire To Cathedral's Outdated 12th-Century Electrical System"



""In our examination of the wreckage, we discovered that some of the circuit breakers and sockets hadn't been updated since the reign of Louis XII,"



https://www.theonion.com/investigators-trace-cause-of-notre-dame-fire-to-cathedr-1834116819
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 18, 2019, 07:00:23 PM
Which is even more surprising, as electricity wasn't implemented until the late 19th century.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2019, 08:45:49 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Which is even more surprising, as electricity wasn't implemented until the late 19th century.

I was going to say something like that Bricktop..



Maybe Odi meant the candles melted, lol.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 18, 2019, 10:03:21 PM
He was quoting another source, though.



I suspect it was tongue-in-cheek.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Gaon on April 18, 2019, 10:08:08 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"He was quoting another source, though.



I suspect it was tongue-in-cheek.

Seems so.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Wazzzup on April 18, 2019, 11:05:18 PM
The Onion is a news satire site, although it is getting increasingly hard to tell real news from satire.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Gaon on April 18, 2019, 11:25:59 PM
The Onion is funny though.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: cc on April 18, 2019, 11:43:48 PM
The People's Cube is also very funny





Man accused of bringing gas cans to St. Patrick's Cathedral is college professor, was previously arrested at another cathedral



The man who allegedly brought gas cans and lighter fluid into St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York City has taught philosophy at different colleges in New York and New Jersey, school officials said.



Marc Lamparello, 37, was arrested on Wednesday night and was charged with attempted arson and reckless endangerment. He was taken into custody after a security guard at the cathedral on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan spotted him.



He was cooperative but acted evasively, the New York Police Department said. Lamparello allegedly told officers that he was "cutting through the cathedral to get to Madison Avenue" and that "his car ran out of gas," police said. But when police reportedly checked the man's minivan, its gas tank wasn't empty.



John Miller, the NYPD's deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism, said surveillance camera footage showed Lamparello circling St. Patrick's several times in a minivan well over an hour before he parked outside the cathedral on Fifth Avenue, walked around the area, returned to his vehicle, and retrieved the gasoline and lighter fluid.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Gaon on April 18, 2019, 11:50:13 PM
The People's Cube has plenty of laughs too.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 19, 2019, 12:17:30 AM
Especially this one.



Fartima!!! ac_lmfao



//http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/islamic-ban-on-female-flatulence-benefits-women-worldwide-t13291.html
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: cc on April 19, 2019, 02:24:15 AM
Fartima Passagasiya .. and "fartwa,"



 :roll:
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2019, 06:55:37 AM
The Islamic Ban on Female Flatulence....lol.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Gaon on April 19, 2019, 08:35:11 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Especially this one.



Fartima!!! ac_lmfao



//http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/islamic-ban-on-female-flatulence-benefits-women-worldwide-t13291.html

AOC, repeating the Nikita Kruschev line we will bury you. :roll:
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2019, 11:09:20 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Especially this one.



Fartima!!! ac_lmfao



//http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/islamic-ban-on-female-flatulence-benefits-women-worldwide-t13291.html

 :roll:
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Odinson on April 19, 2019, 11:46:33 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Bricktop"Which is even more surprising, as electricity wasn't implemented until the late 19th century.

I was going to say something like that Bricktop..



Maybe Odi meant the candles melted, lol.


Its a joke..





But I imagine the workers were giving that kind of report in the break-room..





Just means that the electric system is very old..
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2019, 11:52:02 AM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Bricktop"Which is even more surprising, as electricity wasn't implemented until the late 19th century.

I was going to say something like that Bricktop..



Maybe Odi meant the candles melted, lol.


Its a joke..





But I imagine the workers were giving that kind of report in the break-room..





Just means that the electric system is very old..

We get it.

 ac_smile
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2019, 03:31:56 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Especially this one.



Fartima!!! ac_lmfao



//http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/islamic-ban-on-female-flatulence-benefits-women-worldwide-t13291.html

 ac_toofunny
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 19, 2019, 08:15:08 PM
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Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2019, 08:33:16 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"(//%3C/s%3E%3CIMGUR%20id=%22Usvus2h%22%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://i.imgur.com/Usvus2h.jpg%22%3Ehttps://i.imgur.com/Usvus2h.jpg%3C/URL%3E%3C/IMGUR%3E%3Ce%3E)

I don't get it.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 19, 2019, 11:15:49 PM
It refers to the link I posted above.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2019, 11:26:33 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"It refers to the link I posted above.

I get it now.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: cc on April 19, 2019, 11:48:17 PM
I find the People's Cube hilarious ... and the comments of pretend commies (Groucho Marxist, Red Square, Clara Illbustyourballs Zetkin, Genosse Dummkopf, Apparatchik Unkulturny etc.) often priceless



Maybe one day soon I'll join them  .. maybe as Ivana Getitoff  or something like that :sneaky2:

http://thepeoplescube.com/
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Gaon on April 19, 2019, 11:58:54 PM
Quote from: "cc"I find the People's Cube hilarious ... and the comments of pretend commies (Groucho Marxist, Red Square, Clara Illbustyourballs Zetkin, Genosse Dummkopf, Apparatchik Unkulturny etc.) often priceless



Maybe one day soon I'll join them  .. maybe as Ivana Getitoff  or something like that :sneaky2:

http://thepeoplescube.com/

The People's Cube will part of we the people's daily viewing from now on.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2019, 09:16:15 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"(//%3C/s%3E%3CIMGUR%20id=%22Usvus2h%22%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://i.imgur.com/Usvus2h.jpg%22%3Ehttps://i.imgur.com/Usvus2h.jpg%3C/URL%3E%3C/IMGUR%3E%3Ce%3E)

 ac_lmfao
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Frood on April 21, 2019, 04:09:08 AM
https://youtu.be/C7xIOt4qR7M
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Frood on April 21, 2019, 04:17:35 AM
https://youtu.be/K046fjanNmY
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Frood on April 21, 2019, 04:29:07 AM
https://youtu.be/mWonpbh0zxk
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: caskur on April 21, 2019, 04:47:17 AM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"https://youtu.be/C7xIOt4qR7M


I see the lights flash..



I think it was arson. Just a sinking gut feeling.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Frood on April 21, 2019, 05:38:31 AM
The architect thinks those timbers shouldn't have gone up like that.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: caskur on April 21, 2019, 05:55:06 AM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"The architect thinks those timbers shouldn't have gone up like that.


I haven't watched the architect yet but he is probably wrong.



Kurt was working at Ocean fast when a luxury yacht and the premises burned down and that wasn't 1000 year old timber.



Once the heat gets to a certain point, nothing stops it.



I'll watch him now and see what he says.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: caskur on April 21, 2019, 05:56:55 AM
Sri Lanka has been hit with arson too.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2019, 06:37:57 AM
Quote from: "caskur"Sri Lanka has been hit with arson too.

Oh my, I'll look for it.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: caskur on April 21, 2019, 07:21:45 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "caskur"Sri Lanka has been hit with arson too.

Oh my, I'll look for it.




https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/21/asia/sri-lanka-explosions/index.html
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Frood on April 21, 2019, 07:28:43 AM
Quote from: "caskur"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"The architect thinks those timbers shouldn't have gone up like that.


I haven't watched the architect yet but he is probably wrong.



Kurt was working at Ocean fast when a luxury yacht and the premises burned down and that wasn't 1000 year old timber.



Once the heat gets to a certain point, nothing stops it.



I'll watch him now and see what he says.


He believes that the 800 year oaks being hard to ignite combined with new wiring and fire detection tech he was responsible for fitting doesn't explain how the fire could have grown so fast and hot.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: caskur on April 21, 2019, 10:45:39 AM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "caskur"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"The architect thinks those timbers shouldn't have gone up like that.


I haven't watched the architect yet but he is probably wrong.



Kurt was working at Ocean fast when a luxury yacht and the premises burned down and that wasn't 1000 year old timber.



Once the heat gets to a certain point, nothing stops it.



I'll watch him now and see what he says.


He believes that the 800 year oaks being hard to ignite combined with new wiring and fire detection tech he was responsible for fitting doesn't explain how the fire could have grown so fast and hot.




We're going to 'hear' a lot of things but going by today's attacks on Sri Lankas churches, it looks like something is going on.





They shouldn't have played the Christchurch massacre over and over. It just stirs the crazies into action.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Wazzzup on April 21, 2019, 10:51:37 AM
Quote from: "caskur"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "caskur"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"The architect thinks those timbers shouldn't have gone up like that.


I haven't watched the architect yet but he is probably wrong.



Kurt was working at Ocean fast when a luxury yacht and the premises burned down and that wasn't 1000 year old timber.



Once the heat gets to a certain point, nothing stops it.



I'll watch him now and see what he says.


He believes that the 800 year oaks being hard to ignite combined with new wiring and fire detection tech he was responsible for fitting doesn't explain how the fire could have grown so fast and hot.




We're going to 'hear' a lot of things but going by today's attacks on Sri Lankas churches, it looks like something is going on.





They shouldn't have played the Christchurch massacre over and over. It just stirs the crazies into action.
The Muslim crazies have been stirred up for the last 1400 years.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Wazzzup on April 21, 2019, 11:01:57 AM
QuoteFollowing the horrifying fire that badly damaged one of the world's great treasures, the mainstream media is pushing the storyline that the fire that ravaged the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris was caused by an "electrical short circuit." But the story in the Daily Mail lacks any evidence to back up that claim.



A French judicial police official said investigators brought in to work out the cause of the inferno made the claims -- despite them not having been given access to the church yet for safety reasons. The official, who spoke anonymously about the ongoing investigation, said the monument is still being consolidated with wooden planks to support some fragile parts of the walls.  Only after it is fully made safe will investigators will be allowed a closer look in order to accurately determine the cause of the fire... .Only after (the Cathedral) is fully made safe will investigators will be allowed a closer look in order to accurately determine the cause of the fire.



Did you get that? "Investigators" brought in to determine the cause of the tragic blaze have not yet been given access to the burned-out cathedral. Nevertheless they are already announcing the results of their investigation. Even as the embers were still glowing on the day of the fire, French prosecutors were ruling out arson. On what evidence were they able to make that judgment?

The possibility of arson certainly exists, especially in a country where churches are vandalized routinely- over 875 in the last year, nearly 2000 in the last two years, (much of it very very probably Islam inspired) but the media and the left (same thing) have declared any thoughts in this direction out of bounds and verboten. Screw them.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: caskur on April 21, 2019, 11:38:18 AM
The poor in France don't care about the church... they're disgusted people are donating a billion to repair it while they struggle daily to survive.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2019, 12:04:09 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "caskur"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "caskur"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"The architect thinks those timbers shouldn't have gone up like that.


I haven't watched the architect yet but he is probably wrong.



Kurt was working at Ocean fast when a luxury yacht and the premises burned down and that wasn't 1000 year old timber.



Once the heat gets to a certain point, nothing stops it.



I'll watch him now and see what he says.


He believes that the 800 year oaks being hard to ignite combined with new wiring and fire detection tech he was responsible for fitting doesn't explain how the fire could have grown so fast and hot.




We're going to 'hear' a lot of things but going by today's attacks on Sri Lankas churches, it looks like something is going on.





They shouldn't have played the Christchurch massacre over and over. It just stirs the crazies into action.
The Muslim crazies have been stirred up for the last 1400 years.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 21, 2019, 08:00:50 PM
And here we go again...ignorant journalists trying to "ignite" (pun intended) another conspiracy theory.



Let Uncle Bricktop inform you of facts.



If this was arson, then the arsonist would have needed to use both an igniter and an accelerant. Now, the use of these implements leave very clear and identifiable traces and indicators. Fire investigators can spot arson the moment they look at the scene and identify the ignition point. Accelerants, such as petrol and kerosene do NOT completely combust...so when an accelerant has been utilised, you can SMELL it hours after the fire has been extinguished.



Now, try a little experiment. Take a can of petrol into your garden, pour it onto a non flammable surface and throw a match from well away. You may note that the petrol does not burn, but ignites with a substantial force.



Imagine that an arsonist used a 50 litre can of petrol. The resulting explosion would have been instantly observed. Practiced arsonists know that pouring an accelerant around the target area than tossing a match is likely to lead to their death, because by the time the match is lit, the building has filled with vapour which also ignites.



Electrical faults can be identified in seconds. If there is a short circuit, then the circuit breakers will almost certainly activate. If investigators see an activated circuit breaker, then in the absence of any other obvious cause, they can be almost certain an electrical fault occurred.



All of this can be observed without walking through the ashes.



Journalists do either not care about such facts, or choose to ignore them so that you, the livestock that they feed on for profit, will buy their shit.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Odinson on April 28, 2019, 10:05:07 PM
What if they renovate it to fit the current political atmosphere..





Some kind of a multicultural phaggot theme..







Might as well raze Paris to the ground..
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Wazzzup on April 29, 2019, 01:20:37 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"And here we go again...ignorant journalists trying to "ignite" (pun intended) another conspiracy theory.



Let Uncle Bricktop inform you of facts.



If this was arson, then the arsonist would have needed to use both an igniter and an accelerant. Now, the use of these implements leave very clear and identifiable traces and indicators. Fire investigators can spot arson the moment they look at the scene and identify the ignition point. Accelerants, such as petrol and kerosene do NOT completely combust...so when an accelerant has been utilised, you can SMELL it hours after the fire has been extinguished.



Now, try a little experiment. Take a can of petrol into your garden, pour it onto a non flammable surface and throw a match from well away. You may note that the petrol does not burn, but ignites with a substantial force.



Imagine that an arsonist used a 50 litre can of petrol. The resulting explosion would have been instantly observed. Practiced arsonists know that pouring an accelerant around the target area than tossing a match is likely to lead to their death, because by the time the match is lit, the building has filled with vapour which also ignites.



Electrical faults can be identified in seconds. If there is a short circuit, then the circuit breakers will almost certainly activate. If investigators see an activated circuit breaker, then in the absence of any other obvious cause, they can be almost certain an electrical fault occurred.



All of this can be observed without walking through the ashes.



Journalists do either not care about such facts, or choose to ignore them so that you, the livestock that they feed on for profit, will buy their shit.
Actually it was the media establishment that declared the idea it was arson verboten to be discussed because it might hurt Muslims feelings.



After Reading up on it-- Yes there are times when they can walk into the room and smell the accelerant.  But there are many others where it will take tests to determine if an accelerent was used, and no tests, as far as I read, were done yet.  Also it can require close examination, and examination was not possible because the structure was too unsafe to set foot in because of possible falling debris.



Basically they were only guessing.   Which is fine, but that is not final.  Chances are it wasn't arson, but until it is ruled out, it is certainly possible.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Wazzzup on April 29, 2019, 01:23:55 PM


https://www.wnd.com/2019/04/notre-dame-architect-blaze-was-no-accident/#3ZqXhCLgyW4dHSWP.99


QuoteIn a live broadcast April 16 on the French TV network LCI, Mouton explained that the oak timbers that made up the cathedral's roof had become hardened after more than 800 years and wouldn't burn easily.



"You would need a lot of kindling to succeed," said Mouton, who served as the chief architect from 2000 to 2013. "It stupefies me."



Authorities suspect some type of electrical fire sparked the blaze, but Mouton believes that's not possible.



"In the '90s, we updated all the electrical wiring of Notre Dame. So there is no possibility of a short circuit," he said. "We updated to conform with the contemporary norms, even going very far – all the detection and protection systems against fire in the cathedral."



Last Thursday, investigators were allowed inside the cathedral for the first time, and a French police official told the New York Times nothing was being ruled out. They are focusing on the possibility of a short-circuit by electrified bells near the spire or cigarette butts left by workers carrying out renovation.



A bells specialist at the French Ministry of Culture, Regis Singer, said it's plausible that the fire started in the bells in the spire.



But Nicolas Gueury, who electrified another set of bells in the cathedral in 2007, told the Times he thought about that possibility but has ruled it out.



"For me, this would be impossible," he said, pointing out that numerous redundant safeguards, including circuit breakers and shielding, were installed.



"It was draconian. We tripled the precautions," he said.



"We were all hyper-prudent. You don't do just anything in the forest," he said, referring to the medieval timbers that supported the roof. "It was hyper-securitized."



A contractor admitted last Wednesday that workers renovating the cathedral flouted a ban on smoking. But he insisted "in no way could a cigarette butt be the cause of the fire at Notre-Dame.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2019, 02:29:39 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"

https://www.wnd.com/2019/04/notre-dame-architect-blaze-was-no-accident/#3ZqXhCLgyW4dHSWP.99


QuoteIn a live broadcast April 16 on the French TV network LCI, Mouton explained that the oak timbers that made up the cathedral's roof had become hardened after more than 800 years and wouldn't burn easily.



"You would need a lot of kindling to succeed," said Mouton, who served as the chief architect from 2000 to 2013. "It stupefies me."



Authorities suspect some type of electrical fire sparked the blaze, but Mouton believes that's not possible.



"In the '90s, we updated all the electrical wiring of Notre Dame. So there is no possibility of a short circuit," he said. "We updated to conform with the contemporary norms, even going very far – all the detection and protection systems against fire in the cathedral."



Last Thursday, investigators were allowed inside the cathedral for the first time, and a French police official told the New York Times nothing was being ruled out. They are focusing on the possibility of a short-circuit by electrified bells near the spire or cigarette butts left by workers carrying out renovation.



A bells specialist at the French Ministry of Culture, Regis Singer, said it's plausible that the fire started in the bells in the spire.



But Nicolas Gueury, who electrified another set of bells in the cathedral in 2007, told the Times he thought about that possibility but has ruled it out.



"For me, this would be impossible," he said, pointing out that numerous redundant safeguards, including circuit breakers and shielding, were installed.



"It was draconian. We tripled the precautions," he said.



"We were all hyper-prudent. You don't do just anything in the forest," he said, referring to the medieval timbers that supported the roof. "It was hyper-securitized."



A contractor admitted last Wednesday that workers renovating the cathedral flouted a ban on smoking. But he insisted "in no way could a cigarette butt be the cause of the fire at Notre-Dame.

Accident or not, it raised $1 billion.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Bricktop on April 29, 2019, 05:55:10 PM
I've been in that belfry. The bell technician's comparison to it being a forest isn't far off the mark. It's a maze of elaborate beams and supports that the bells pivot on, as well as a small area where the bellringer lived in medieval times.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2019, 07:43:42 PM
Quote from: "Velvet"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"

https://www.wnd.com/2019/04/notre-dame-architect-blaze-was-no-accident/#3ZqXhCLgyW4dHSWP.99


QuoteIn a live broadcast April 16 on the French TV network LCI, Mouton explained that the oak timbers that made up the cathedral's roof had become hardened after more than 800 years and wouldn't burn easily.



"You would need a lot of kindling to succeed," said Mouton, who served as the chief architect from 2000 to 2013. "It stupefies me."



Authorities suspect some type of electrical fire sparked the blaze, but Mouton believes that's not possible.



"In the '90s, we updated all the electrical wiring of Notre Dame. So there is no possibility of a short circuit," he said. "We updated to conform with the contemporary norms, even going very far – all the detection and protection systems against fire in the cathedral."



Last Thursday, investigators were allowed inside the cathedral for the first time, and a French police official told the New York Times nothing was being ruled out. They are focusing on the possibility of a short-circuit by electrified bells near the spire or cigarette butts left by workers carrying out renovation.



A bells specialist at the French Ministry of Culture, Regis Singer, said it's plausible that the fire started in the bells in the spire.



But Nicolas Gueury, who electrified another set of bells in the cathedral in 2007, told the Times he thought about that possibility but has ruled it out.



"For me, this would be impossible," he said, pointing out that numerous redundant safeguards, including circuit breakers and shielding, were installed.



"It was draconian. We tripled the precautions," he said.



"We were all hyper-prudent. You don't do just anything in the forest," he said, referring to the medieval timbers that supported the roof. "It was hyper-securitized."



A contractor admitted last Wednesday that workers renovating the cathedral flouted a ban on smoking. But he insisted "in no way could a cigarette butt be the cause of the fire at Notre-Dame.

Accident or not, it raised $1 billion.

The next natural disaster like an earthquake and tsunami that leaves thousands of people homeless, the media should lie and say a museum or church in Europe was destroyed. It will better for fundraising.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Wazzzup on April 30, 2019, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Velvet"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"

https://www.wnd.com/2019/04/notre-dame-architect-blaze-was-no-accident/#3ZqXhCLgyW4dHSWP.99


QuoteIn a live broadcast April 16 on the French TV network LCI, Mouton explained that the oak timbers that made up the cathedral's roof had become hardened after more than 800 years and wouldn't burn easily.



"You would need a lot of kindling to succeed," said Mouton, who served as the chief architect from 2000 to 2013. "It stupefies me."



Authorities suspect some type of electrical fire sparked the blaze, but Mouton believes that's not possible.



"In the '90s, we updated all the electrical wiring of Notre Dame. So there is no possibility of a short circuit," he said. "We updated to conform with the contemporary norms, even going very far – all the detection and protection systems against fire in the cathedral."



Last Thursday, investigators were allowed inside the cathedral for the first time, and a French police official told the New York Times nothing was being ruled out. They are focusing on the possibility of a short-circuit by electrified bells near the spire or cigarette butts left by workers carrying out renovation.



A bells specialist at the French Ministry of Culture, Regis Singer, said it's plausible that the fire started in the bells in the spire.



But Nicolas Gueury, who electrified another set of bells in the cathedral in 2007, told the Times he thought about that possibility but has ruled it out.



"For me, this would be impossible," he said, pointing out that numerous redundant safeguards, including circuit breakers and shielding, were installed.



"It was draconian. We tripled the precautions," he said.



"We were all hyper-prudent. You don't do just anything in the forest," he said, referring to the medieval timbers that supported the roof. "It was hyper-securitized."



A contractor admitted last Wednesday that workers renovating the cathedral flouted a ban on smoking. But he insisted "in no way could a cigarette butt be the cause of the fire at Notre-Dame.

Accident or not, it raised $1 billion.

The next natural disaster like an earthquake and tsunami that leaves thousands of people homeless, the media should lie and say a museum or church in Europe was destroyed. It will better for fundraising.
There is way more than enough money to pay to fix Notre-Dame plus a lot left over (especially since they probably will get insurance money as well) I wonder what they will do with all the excess money they are getting?  Probably put it in that poser fake popes pocket.  :mad:
Title: Re: Notre-Dame Cathedral spire, roof collapse, engulfed by flames
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2019, 04:13:44 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Velvet"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"

https://www.wnd.com/2019/04/notre-dame-architect-blaze-was-no-accident/#3ZqXhCLgyW4dHSWP.99


QuoteIn a live broadcast April 16 on the French TV network LCI, Mouton explained that the oak timbers that made up the cathedral's roof had become hardened after more than 800 years and wouldn't burn easily.



"You would need a lot of kindling to succeed," said Mouton, who served as the chief architect from 2000 to 2013. "It stupefies me."



Authorities suspect some type of electrical fire sparked the blaze, but Mouton believes that's not possible.



"In the '90s, we updated all the electrical wiring of Notre Dame. So there is no possibility of a short circuit," he said. "We updated to conform with the contemporary norms, even going very far – all the detection and protection systems against fire in the cathedral."



Last Thursday, investigators were allowed inside the cathedral for the first time, and a French police official told the New York Times nothing was being ruled out. They are focusing on the possibility of a short-circuit by electrified bells near the spire or cigarette butts left by workers carrying out renovation.



A bells specialist at the French Ministry of Culture, Regis Singer, said it's plausible that the fire started in the bells in the spire.



But Nicolas Gueury, who electrified another set of bells in the cathedral in 2007, told the Times he thought about that possibility but has ruled it out.



"For me, this would be impossible," he said, pointing out that numerous redundant safeguards, including circuit breakers and shielding, were installed.



"It was draconian. We tripled the precautions," he said.



"We were all hyper-prudent. You don't do just anything in the forest," he said, referring to the medieval timbers that supported the roof. "It was hyper-securitized."



A contractor admitted last Wednesday that workers renovating the cathedral flouted a ban on smoking. But he insisted "in no way could a cigarette butt be the cause of the fire at Notre-Dame.

Accident or not, it raised $1 billion.

The next natural disaster like an earthquake and tsunami that leaves thousands of people homeless, the media should lie and say a museum or church in Europe was destroyed. It will better for fundraising.
There is way more than enough money to pay to fix Notre-Dame plus a lot left over (especially since they probably will get insurance money as well) I wonder what they will do with all the excess money they are getting?  Probably put it in that poser fake popes pocket.  :mad:

If the Vatican gets it. :rules:
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