Title: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 02:25:10 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 02:25:10 PM
If I had a daughter who was raped and she got pregnant, I would not want her to carry on the pregnancy unless she, as an individual, wants to. There should be no unwanted pregnancies unless the expectant mother truly wants to have the baby either to care for or to give away for adoption. I am a little uncomfortable watching men make decisions over how a woman should handle the developments in her body. Why is this a matter for the government? Doesn't the expectant mother have a say in her own situation?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2019, 04:56:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2019, 04:56:27 PM
I understand this is a hot topic.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
If I had a daughter who was raped and she got pregnant, I would not want her to carry on the pregnancy unless she, as an individual, wants to. There should be no unwanted pregnancies unless the expectant mother truly wants to have the baby either to care for or to give away for adoption. I am a little uncomfortable watching men make decisions over how a woman should handle the developments in her body. Why is this a matter for the government? Doesn't the expectant mother have a say in her own situation?
It's a very hot potato Azhya..
Even though I'm pro life, I avoid the topic..
The rape scenario is difficult, but the unborn child is still innocent..
Why should they be denied the right to be born.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 05:11:37 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 05:11:37 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 05:12:07 PM
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 05:12:07 PM
I understand this is a hot topic.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
If I had a daughter who was raped and she got pregnant, I would not want her to carry on the pregnancy unless she, as an individual, wants to. There should be no unwanted pregnancies unless the expectant mother truly wants to have the baby either to care for or to give away for adoption. I am a little uncomfortable watching men make decisions over how a woman should handle the developments in her body. Why is this a matter for the government? Doesn't the expectant mother have a say in her own situation?
Tell them to keep their roseries off y/our ovaries.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 05:13:37 PM
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 05:13:37 PM
I understand this is a hot topic.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
If I had a daughter who was raped and she got pregnant, I would not want her to carry on the pregnancy unless she, as an individual, wants to. There should be no unwanted pregnancies unless the expectant mother truly wants to have the baby either to care for or to give away for adoption. I am a little uncomfortable watching men make decisions over how a woman should handle the developments in her body. Why is this a matter for the government? Doesn't the expectant mother have a say in her own situation?
It's a very hot potato Azhya..
Even though I'm pro life, I avoid the topic..
The rape scenario is difficult, but the unborn child is still innocent..
Why should they be denied the right to be born.
The health of a raped child should come first.
Giving birth is dangerous.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 05:15:02 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 05:15:02 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2019, 05:16:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2019, 05:16:09 PM
I am not considering an abortion, Fash, for an infant that is already a viable infant but still in the womb and can survive outside of the womb. I'm speaking of the time in the initial week or month when the fetus is not a viable infant. If it happened to me, there is no way I am having a pregnancy that was caused by rape. It is just wrong.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
Okay, but I doubt anyone on any forum will agree with me because I am unwaveringly pro life...except for Dove.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 05:24:00 PM
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 05:24:00 PM
Pregnancy is dangerous especially when the expectant mother is not getting proper care.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
When they said abortion would be illegal for 13 year old incest victims, I was sickened beyond belief.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 05:26:34 PM
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 05:26:34 PM
I am not considering an abortion, Fash, for an infant that is already a viable infant but still in the womb and can survive outside of the womb. I'm speaking of the time in the initial week or month when the fetus is not a viable infant. If it happened to me, there is no way I am having a pregnancy that was caused by rape. It is just wrong.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
Okay, but I doubt anyone on any forum will agree with me because I am unwaveringly pro life...except for Dove.
I'm going to keep out of it...
Every embryo is a life but not necessarily a potential for life - Quote: my midwife mother-in-law.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 05:27:27 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 05:27:27 PM
I am not considering an abortion, Fash, for an infant that is already a viable infant but still in the womb and can survive outside of the womb. I'm speaking of the time in the initial week or month when the fetus is not a viable infant. If it happened to me, there is no way I am having a pregnancy that was caused by rape. It is just wrong.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
Okay, but I doubt anyone on any forum will agree with me because I am unwaveringly pro life...except for Dove.
Even if it happened to you? If some brute raped you and you got pregnant, you will carry on with the pregnancy?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 05:28:11 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 05:28:11 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Zetsu on May 22, 2019, 05:42:50 PM
Post by: Zetsu on May 22, 2019, 05:42:50 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on May 22, 2019, 06:08:07 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 22, 2019, 06:08:07 PM
Some people are unwaveringly prolife until it happens to them and then all of a sudden they become pro-choice.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
Like the people who buy a husky because huskies look like direwolves..
But then they give the dog to the shelter because things didnt go as smoothly as in the movies.
Pussies.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2019, 06:28:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2019, 06:28:34 PM
Some people are unwaveringly prolife until it happens to them and then all of a sudden they become pro-choice.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
Some probably would, and some wouldn't.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 06:30:38 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 06:30:38 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 06:37:33 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 06:37:33 PM
Any woman who is a victim of rape should have themselves regularly tested after the event occurs and there should be a cut off point where this provision is no longer available. Probably at something like 16 weeks or something. Tops.
And even in such an instance it is still murder, but the government should stay out of it as this is a matter best left up to the victim and her maker.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2019, 06:42:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2019, 06:42:41 PM
Easy to say. I am still waiting for you to say what you would do if it happened to you.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
adoption
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 06:46:11 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 06:46:11 PM
Easy to say. I am still waiting for you to say what you would do if it happened to you.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
adoption
Admirable. But an unusually high expectation to set for any woman where she is forced to re-live the trauma to a considerably higher degree being pregnant than perhaps if she weren't
This should remain a personal choice to the victim imo
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 06:47:27 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 06:47:27 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 06:48:55 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 06:48:55 PM
Easy to say. I am still waiting for you to say what you would do if it happened to you.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
adoption
Admirable. But an unusually high expectation to set for any woman where she is forced to re-live the trauma to a considerably higher degree being pregnant than perhaps if she weren't
This should remain a personal choice to the victim imo
Which is why I do not believe in Fash on this one. It is easy to say for her now until it really happens to her.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 06:51:53 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 06:51:53 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 06:55:31 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 06:55:31 PM
Which is why I do not believe in Fash on this one. It is easy to say for her now until it really happens to her.
This is common among most humans. Happens all the time.
Which is why there should always be reasonable contingencies and considerable open dialogue before broad stroking the way Alabama has done.
However, the extremism is not the end game Alabama is looking for here. If you notice, several states are putting forth varying degrees severity here in hopes that their case will be the one the Supreme Court choose to hear. Roe V Wade is overdue for a revisit and this is how they intend to get there
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Bricktop on May 22, 2019, 07:25:41 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 22, 2019, 07:25:41 PM
It is a matter for FEMALES to resolve.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 07:39:51 PM
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 07:39:51 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Bricktop on May 22, 2019, 07:45:37 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 22, 2019, 07:45:37 PM
Religion is ruling the governments.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on May 22, 2019, 07:47:43 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 22, 2019, 07:47:43 PM
Lefties think its OK to abort a 3rd trimester baby... Cuddle the baby a bit and then give him/her the shot..
The righties dont want any of the abortion stuff because they think we are deserting our moral values.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 07:56:17 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 07:56:17 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2019, 08:00:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2019, 08:00:13 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 08:22:22 PM
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 08:22:22 PM
They have extreme lefties and extreme righties..Quote from: "Odinson"
Lefties think its OK to abort a 3rd trimester baby... Cuddle the baby a bit and then give him/her the shot..
The righties dont want any of the abortion stuff because they think we are deserting our moral values.
There is a nurse on the boards that argues abortion subjects... Abortions are different in Amercica than Australia and she knows those differences. (I don't)... They are not performed after 12 weeks in Australia, I don't think... But many babies die inside mothers-to-be and specialist people and places need to take care of women in those horrendous circumstances both phyically and emtionally.
"lefties" do NOT think its OK to abort... It doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with politics ya silly mong.
I have an idea, lets jail men who get girls pregnant who are not actually married to them?... Sound like a plan to you?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 08:27:04 PM
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 08:27:04 PM
I am pro life, but I would make an exception in the first 8 weeks for rape.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
There is a drug taking alcohoic aborigine in Fremantle who is pregnant....
The baby will be born handicapped with foetal alcohol syndrome and its whole life it will struggle in every way imaginable...
Society does NOTHING about it.
What would you suggest?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 08:28:05 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 08:28:05 PM
Happened a dozen times before
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 08:33:45 PM
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 08:33:45 PM
Don't say I didn't warn you that this cancerous sloth would begin spewing her horseshit sludge as soon as she felt she was in good enough with the localsQuote from: "ThugLife"
Happened a dozen times before
How many sick babies do you actually look after?
Lemme guess....
None?
Amirite?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 08:34:43 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 08:34:43 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Trump’s Niece on May 22, 2019, 08:36:27 PM
Post by: Trump’s Niece on May 22, 2019, 08:36:27 PM
I have only one position on the matter of abortion.Quote from: "Bricktop"
It is a matter for FEMALES to resolve.
THANK YOU !
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 08:52:12 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 08:52:12 PM
How many babies have you looked after?Don't say I didn't warn you that this cancerous sloth would begin spewing her horseshit sludge as soon as she felt she was in good enough with the localsQuote from: "ThugLife"
Happened a dozen times before
How many sick babies do you actually look after?
Lemme guess....
None?
Amirite?
As if looking after babies makes one entitled to an opinion or not
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 09:00:17 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 09:00:17 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Bricktop on May 22, 2019, 09:23:22 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 22, 2019, 09:23:22 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2019, 09:26:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2019, 09:26:31 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Trump’s Niece on May 22, 2019, 09:27:32 PM
Post by: Trump’s Niece on May 22, 2019, 09:27:32 PM
Women should not use it as a form of birth control either
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 09:29:12 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 09:29:12 PM
There is no reason for a woman to wait past 8 weeks to get an abortion. That's just being lazy.Quote from: "Erica Mena"
Women should not use it as a form of birth control either
Precisely.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 09:30:31 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 09:30:31 PM
And then what?Quote from: "Bricktop"
Well, every woman's situation is different. Some who say they will carry it to term can accept to give the baby up for adoption. Some might change their minds and keep the child. Every situation is different and unique.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 09:32:00 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 09:32:00 PM
There is no reason for a woman to wait past 8 weeks to get an abortion. That's just being lazy.Quote from: "Erica Mena"
Women should not use it as a form of birth control either
Precisely.
Being lazy and dumb, illiterate, ignorant. That is why dumb women should not get pregnant unless they know what they are doing and getting themselves into.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Bricktop on May 22, 2019, 09:48:47 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 22, 2019, 09:48:47 PM
And then what?Quote from: "Bricktop"
Well, every woman's situation is different. Some who say they will carry it to term can accept to give the baby up for adoption. Some might change their minds and keep the child. Every situation is different and unique.
But the chances are high the child will grow up in despair and misery.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 09:59:07 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 22, 2019, 09:59:07 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 10:02:45 PM
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 10:02:45 PM
Don't say I didn't warn you that this cancerous sloth would begin spewing her horseshit sludge as soon as she felt she was in good enough with the localsQuote from: "ThugLife"
Happened a dozen times before
How many sick babies do you actually look after?
Lemme guess....
None?
Amirite?
As if looking after babies makes one entitled to an opinion or not
Your answer is to deflect... so you haven't looked after any sick babies... Check.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 10:05:05 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 10:05:05 PM
Don't say I didn't warn you that this cancerous sloth would begin spewing her horseshit sludge as soon as she felt she was in good enough with the localsQuote from: "ThugLife"
Happened a dozen times before
How many sick babies do you actually look after?
Lemme guess....
None?
Amirite?
As if looking after babies makes one entitled to an opinion or not
Your answer is to deflect... so you haven't looked after any sick babies... Check.
Not as much deflection as you've been doing ever since I've decided to unclog the toilet with your face. Check
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 10:06:57 PM
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 10:06:57 PM
I don't spend much time or any time on social issues. And none are more polarizing than abortion. It's been decided, so let's move on.Quote from: "seoulbro"
Exactly but it's been reversed in the USA in some states. And this could spread.
The real scary thing is, they're not really promoting safe sex, not that there really is such a thing.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 10:08:57 PM
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 10:08:57 PM
And then what?Quote from: "Bricktop"
Well, every woman's situation is different. Some who say they will carry it to term can accept to give the baby up for adoption. Some might change their minds and keep the child. Every situation is different and unique.
Very very cruel for the child and puts a child in the hands of paedophiles potentionally. And sadly, likely.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 10:11:28 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 10:11:28 PM
If the embryo has become a fetus that has developed into a viable infant even outside of the womb, then I find it barbaric to terminate the pregnancy. At that time, the woman has to just carry it to term.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
I think people are conflating a multitude of issues with respect to this whole situation when in fact the whole argument comes down to one simple question. When does the fetus become a life worthy of being called a life and entitled to the same protections via the justice system that you and I are entitled to. Ie criminal punishment for anyone who deprives us of our lives, which is naturally meant to act as a deterrent from engaging in such actives.
Prolife proponents are merely asking for those same deterrents to exist on behalf of the child, which is reasonable as long as there are caveats to address the uniqueness of this situation.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 10:28:06 PM
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 10:28:06 PM
Thousands of Spontaneous Abortions happen daily throughtout human and animal kind alike. Sadness happens. We have to deal with it and then move on.
10,000 babies die a day from getting dirty water to drink if we're to believe those commercials begging for donations. You want to save kids, there is a good place to start.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 10:32:45 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 10:32:45 PM
Great logic there, imbecile
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2019, 10:35:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2019, 10:35:28 PM
Not your body, not your business.Quote from: "caskur"
Thousands of Spontaneous Abortions happen daily throughtout human and animal kind alike. Sadness happens. We have to deal with it and then move on.
10,000 babies die a day from getting dirty water to drink if we're to believe those commercials begging for donations. You want to save kids, there is a good place to start.
Money is spent on providing potable water in the third world. But, that doesn't mean we should not try to reduce the number of unnecessary abortions in developed countries. It's not an either or thing.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 10:56:12 PM
Post by: caskur on May 22, 2019, 10:56:12 PM
They have a morning pill that covers mistakes.. Even my pedigree dogs had that available to them.
If you don't have help in controlling birth then a plethora of other worse problems pop up. Check out our third world countries if that notion escapes you. Are you in a a hurry to make your country another 3 world-like disaster? Do you think we can add another billion on the struggling earth? We cannot.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 11:00:48 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 11:00:48 PM
We could always adopt a similar philosophy for persons over 68 if that's truly an issue
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2019, 11:07:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2019, 11:07:05 PM
It isn't for you or me or anyone to judge what is and isn't unnecessary.Quote from: "caskur"
They have a morning pill that covers mistakes.. Even my pedigree dogs had that available to them.
If you don't have help in controlling birth then a plethora of other worse problems pop up. Check out our third world countries if that notion escapes you. Are you in a a hurry to make your country another 3 world-like disaster? Do you think we can add another billion on the struggling earth? We cannot.
Killing unborn babies is rarely necessary.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 11:32:10 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 22, 2019, 11:32:10 PM
It isn't for you or me or anyone to judge what is and isn't unnecessary.Quote from: "caskur"
They have a morning pill that covers mistakes.. Even my pedigree dogs had that available to them.
If you don't have help in controlling birth then a plethora of other worse problems pop up. Check out our third world countries if that notion escapes you. Are you in a a hurry to make your country another 3 world-like disaster? Do you think we can add another billion on the struggling earth? We cannot.
Killing unborn babies is rarely necessary.
Oh you're not allowed to say that around self righteous fascists like casket. You're only a potential father that may be concerned for the rights of his own unborn child. You have no rights. Just shut up and pay your child support if she happens to be magnanimous enough to live up to her ""choice"" in the bedroom and allow the child a chance at life, or mourn the death of what could have been a healthy offspring if she doesn't. Because it's her body and her choice to murder whenever she wishes to.
50% of the reproductive equation and responsibility of 20 years or more of child support buys you ZERO say in this argument. Get with the program
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Zetsu on May 22, 2019, 11:53:49 PM
Post by: Zetsu on May 22, 2019, 11:53:49 PM
Not your body, not your business.Quote from: "caskur"
Thousands of Spontaneous Abortions happen daily throughtout human and animal kind alike. Sadness happens. We have to deal with it and then move on.
10,000 babies die a day from getting dirty water to drink if we're to believe those commercials begging for donations. You want to save kids, there is a good place to start.
I think people that keeps aborting babies need to wake up, if the couple wants to have sex for pleasure or money, they need to understand what they're doing and this is not a joke, yes it's true the baby is born in the women's body, but the men too should take legal liabilities to work and finance the child and mother that is going through these challenging times.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 06:32:15 AM
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 06:32:15 AM
It isn't for you or me or anyone to judge what is and isn't unnecessary.Quote from: "caskur"
They have a morning pill that covers mistakes.. Even my pedigree dogs had that available to them.
If you don't have help in controlling birth then a plethora of other worse problems pop up. Check out our third world countries if that notion escapes you. Are you in a a hurry to make your country another 3 world-like disaster? Do you think we can add another billion on the struggling earth? We cannot.
Killing unborn babies is rarely necessary.
Oh you're not allowed to say that around self righteous fascists like casket. You're only a potential father that may be concerned for the rights of his own unborn child.
Unless the guy is married to the woman he dipped his wick into, he has no bloody rights.
He is a fornicating sinner and should be flogged for NOT using a condom.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 06:50:34 AM
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 06:50:34 AM
VVVVV
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 06:54:45 AM
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 06:54:45 AM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 08:06:50 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 08:06:50 AM
Stupid over-breeding Americans Yeah just keep pushing them out with absolutely zero hope of any quality future!!!Quote from: "caskur"
VVVVV
Who are they?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on May 23, 2019, 08:07:38 AM
Post by: Odinson on May 23, 2019, 08:07:38 AM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 08:52:39 AM
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 08:52:39 AM
Stupid over-breeding Americans Yeah just keep pushing them out with absolutely zero hope of any quality future!!!Quote from: "caskur"
VVVVV
Who are they?
They are the fake Christians, the Turpins who tortured their children and now are in jail for life.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 10:04:09 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 10:04:09 AM
Stupid over-breeding Americans Yeah just keep pushing them out with absolutely zero hope of any quality future!!!Quote from: "caskur"
VVVVV
Who are they?
They are the fake Christians, the Turpins who tortured their children and now are in jail for life.https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/19/us/turpin-parents-sentencing-friday/index.html
Fake Christians, fake climate alarmists, fake poverty activists.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on May 23, 2019, 10:26:04 AM
Post by: Odinson on May 23, 2019, 10:26:04 AM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 23, 2019, 12:07:20 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 23, 2019, 12:07:20 PM
Unless the guy is married to the woman he dipped his wick into, he has no bloody rights.
He is a fornicating sinner and should be flogged for NOT using a condom.
And those same guys have the right to not pay child support in instances where she does decide to give birth.
I'm cool with that.
Wives should be giving up more anal too. If she gives it up 50% of the time that's 50% less possibility of getting pregnant. A fine addition to any robust birth control program already in place.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 01:31:42 PM
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 01:31:42 PM
Unless the guy is married to the woman he dipped his wick into, he has no bloody rights.
He is a fornicating sinner and should be flogged for NOT using a condom.
And those same guys have the right to not pay child support in instances where she does decide to give birth.
I'm cool with that.
Wives should be giving up more anal too. If she gives it up 50% of the time that's 50% less possibility of getting pregnant. A fine addition to any robust birth control program already in place.:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Really? I guess if guys want to die early from bladder cancer, have at it...
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 23, 2019, 02:06:57 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 23, 2019, 02:06:57 PM
I agree, if women want ALL the power and control then they must take ALL the responsibility as well.
Unless the guy is married to the woman he dipped his wick into, he has no bloody rights.
He is a fornicating sinner and should be flogged for NOT using a condom.
And those same guys have the right to not pay child support in instances where she does decide to give birth.
I'm cool with that.
If men don't have any say in the matter than they shouldn't have to pay for children they are not interested in supporting. if women want men to have to pay to support children they don't want, then men have to have some say in the choices that are made.
I like the suggestion herman offered up in a previous thread on abortion, that the biological father should have a window of time to make a decision, perhaps 3 to 6 months, in which they can opt out if they choose to do so.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 23, 2019, 02:20:50 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 23, 2019, 02:20:50 PM
Unless the guy is married to the woman he dipped his wick into, he has no bloody rights.
He is a fornicating sinner and should be flogged for NOT using a condom.
And those same guys have the right to not pay child support in instances where she does decide to give birth.
I'm cool with that.
Wives should be giving up more anal too. If she gives it up 50% of the time that's 50% less possibility of getting pregnant. A fine addition to any robust birth control program already in place.:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Really? I guess if guys want to die early from bladder cancer, have at it...https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2645743/ https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/204/2/217/834769
Tell us more about your inner hatred towards the LGBT community caskur.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 23, 2019, 02:27:31 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 23, 2019, 02:27:31 PM
Unless the guy is married to the woman he dipped his wick into, he has no bloody rights.
He is a fornicating sinner and should be flogged for NOT using a condom.
And those same guys have the right to not pay child support in instances where she does decide to give birth.
I'm cool with that.
If men don't have any say in the matter than they shouldn't have to pay for children they are not interested in supporting. if women want men to have to pay to support children they don't want, then men have to have some say in the choices that are made.
I like the suggestion herman offered up in previous thread on abortion, that the biological father should have a window of time to make a decision, perhaps 3 to 6 months, in which they can opt out if they choose to do so.
I've maintained a life long stance that if the father has made it clear during the pregnancy via a legal means such as an order to show cause or any other petition which can be memorialized in the court system and subsequently refuses to sign the birth certificate he should be absolved of any demand to pay child support. No exceptions.
Implement THAT law and these women won't hear another peep out of me on their desire to commit as many murders as they want, as often as they want. If it ain't my child in there it ain't my problem.
Until then, they can get fucked with the largest and most abrasive instrument they can locate if they don't like hearing or reading me comment on the matter.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 03:00:11 PM
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 03:00:11 PM
Unless the guy is married to the woman he dipped his wick into, he has no bloody rights.
He is a fornicating sinner and should be flogged for NOT using a condom.
And those same guys have the right to not pay child support in instances where she does decide to give birth.
I'm cool with that.
Wives should be giving up more anal too. If she gives it up 50% of the time that's 50% less possibility of getting pregnant. A fine addition to any robust birth control program already in place.:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Really? I guess if guys want to die early from bladder cancer, have at it...https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2645743/ https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/204/2/217/834769
Tell us more about your inner hatred towards the LGBT community caskur.
I don't hate them
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 03:17:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 03:17:10 PM
Unless the guy is married to the woman he dipped his wick into, he has no bloody rights.
He is a fornicating sinner and should be flogged for NOT using a condom.
And those same guys have the right to not pay child support in instances where she does decide to give birth.
I'm cool with that.
Wives should be giving up more anal too. If she gives it up 50% of the time that's 50% less possibility of getting pregnant. A fine addition to any robust birth control program already in place.:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Really? I guess if guys want to die early from bladder cancer, have at it...https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2645743/ https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/204/2/217/834769
Tell us more about your inner hatred towards the LGBT community caskur.
I'm pro life, but I don't hate gays.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 03:21:14 PM
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 03:21:14 PM
He sees giving correct and accurate health warnings as an act of hate. Doh!~
You cant reason with under-educated people.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 23, 2019, 03:27:45 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 23, 2019, 03:27:45 PM
Ok. Thanks for sharing your vast expertise in the areas of human health and law. You're 0 for 2 now, but dont let little detail stop you from making a fool of yourself yet again on any one of a thousand topics you are dreadfully ignorant on
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 03:37:39 PM
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 03:37:39 PM
I see, and so a man inserting his penis into the anus of another man is not equally risky. Health wise.Quote from: "ThugLife"
Ok. Thanks for sharing your vast expertise in the areas of human health and law. You're 0 for 2 now, but dont let little detail stop you from making a fool of yourself yet again on any one of a thousand topics you are dreadfully ignorant on
The only thing that belongs in anyone's anus is shit about to depart it. That's what God made a bumhole for... Not your midget dick, dumbarse.
Microscopic bacteria and fungus live there and cause terrible health conditions if they entre bloodstreams... that's health 101.
Where did you learn your sexual acts from, xxx rated movies? Hasn't anyone told you they're not human reality?
God is not one to be mocked.
It's really that simple.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 23, 2019, 03:40:40 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 23, 2019, 03:40:40 PM
I see, and so a man inserting his penis into the anus of another man is not equally risky. Health wise.Quote from: "ThugLife"
Ok. Thanks for sharing your vast expertise in the areas of human health and law. You're 0 for 2 now, but dont let little detail stop you from making a fool of yourself yet again on any one of a thousand topics you are dreadfully ignorant on
The only thing that belongs in anyone's anus is shit about to depart it. That's what God made a bumhole for... Not your midget dick, dumbarse.
Microscopic bacteria and fungus live there and cause terrible health conditions if they entre bloodstreams... that's health 101.
Where did you learn your sexual acts from, xxx rated movies? Hasn't anyone told you they're not human reality?
God is not one to be mocked.If you break his natural laws which were made to benefit YOU, not HIM, you will suffer painfull and deadly consequences.
It's really that simple.
Hmmmmm... I see, and of course, in your world of expanded enlightenment homosexuals do not insert their penises into each others anuses. Got it.
So why is it that you hate their actions again?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 03:53:49 PM
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 03:53:49 PM
I see, and so a man inserting his penis into the anus of another man is not equally risky. Health wise.Quote from: "ThugLife"
Ok. Thanks for sharing your vast expertise in the areas of human health and law. You're 0 for 2 now, but dont let little detail stop you from making a fool of yourself yet again on any one of a thousand topics you are dreadfully ignorant on
The only thing that belongs in anyone's anus is shit about to depart it. That's what God made a bumhole for... Not your midget dick, dumbarse.
Microscopic bacteria and fungus live there and cause terrible health conditions if they entre bloodstreams... that's health 101.
Where did you learn your sexual acts from, xxx rated movies? Hasn't anyone told you they're not human reality?
God is not one to be mocked.If you break his natural laws which were made to benefit YOU, not HIM, you will suffer painfull and deadly consequences.
It's really that simple.
Hmmmmm... I see, and of course, in your world of expanded enlightenment homosexuals do not insert their penises into each others anuses. Got it.[size=150]According to Stephen Fry, very little bum sex goes on.. They give each other fellatio mostly.[/size]
So why is it that you hate their actions again?
Acts that cause health issues cost money to our health systems to repair. They cost misery to families. Unnatural acts against nature is disgusting to me.
I do not see why I should have to pay for other people's unnatural lifestyles.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 04:02:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 04:02:06 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 23, 2019, 04:06:58 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 23, 2019, 04:06:58 PM
I see, and so a man inserting his penis into the anus of another man is not equally risky. Health wise.Quote from: "ThugLife"
Ok. Thanks for sharing your vast expertise in the areas of human health and law. You're 0 for 2 now, but dont let little detail stop you from making a fool of yourself yet again on any one of a thousand topics you are dreadfully ignorant on
The only thing that belongs in anyone's anus is shit about to depart it. That's what God made a bumhole for... Not your midget dick, dumbarse.
Microscopic bacteria and fungus live there and cause terrible health conditions if they entre bloodstreams... that's health 101.
Where did you learn your sexual acts from, xxx rated movies? Hasn't anyone told you they're not human reality?
God is not one to be mocked.If you break his natural laws which were made to benefit YOU, not HIM, you will suffer painfull and deadly consequences.
It's really that simple.
Hmmmmm... I see, and of course, in your world of expanded enlightenment homosexuals do not insert their penises into each others anuses. Got it.[size=150]According to Stephen Fry, very little bum sex goes on.. They give each other fellatio mostly.[/size]
So why is it that you hate their actions again?
Acts that cause health issues cost money to our health systems to repair. They cost misery to families. Unnatural acts against nature is disgusting to me.
I do not see why I should have to pay for other people's unnatural lifestyles.
So you're a religious zealot who promotes murder, likes gays but dislikes having to shed money to pay for medical bills they accumilate due to unnatural lifestyles. Got it
Consistent platform
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 04:32:42 PM
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 04:32:42 PM
You say no to abortion but bum sex, oh well, that's OK. You are not consistent.
Shame on you.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 04:37:03 PM
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 04:37:03 PM
I think it would be a difficult decision for any woman to make regardless of their situation. Historically, women will have them even if they aren't legal. I would rather have it regulated by law and kept safe for women.Quote from: "Tipsy"
It's not difficult if you get raped.
Sex crimes are rife.
Bed ridden elderly are raped in old people's homes by African immigrant orderlies.
Disabled are also raped in their communty housing.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 23, 2019, 05:04:05 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 23, 2019, 05:04:05 PM
I see you as the ultimate hypocrite who choses which of God's laws you want to obey or disobey or not.Quote from: "caskur"
You say no to abortion but bum sex, oh well, that's OK. You are not consistent.
Shame on you.
Of course, as a person who supports killing innocent life, you are 100% in complete consistency with God's laws here.
Any further down the worm hole you'd like to sink during this debate or are you satisfied with your piss poof performance thus far?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 23, 2019, 05:59:13 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 23, 2019, 05:59:13 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 06:13:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 06:13:45 PM
I think it would be a difficult decision for any woman to make regardless of their situation. Historically, women will have them even if they aren't legal. I would rather have it regulated by law and kept safe for women.Quote from: "Tipsy"
Hello Tipsy, welcome.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 06:17:41 PM
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 06:17:41 PM
Rape should have a harsh punishment such as castration.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
Men are menally ill. They're too far gone now.
I feel bad for younger woman. They want the fairytale but young men cannot deliver it.
Only a small percentage will have good fulfilling lives. Others will marry dipshits have several children, raise them by themselves and live on welfare when the deadbeat dad walks out.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 06:35:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 06:35:07 PM
I think it would be a difficult decision for any woman to make regardless of their situation. Historically, women will have them even if they aren't legal. I would rather have it regulated by law and kept safe for women.Quote from: "Tipsy"
It's not difficult if you get raped.
Sex crimes are rife.
Bed ridden elderly are raped in old people's homes by African immigrant orderlies.
Disabled are also raped in their communty housing.
Fair enough, but I still think a rape is a difficult emotional situation in and of itself. Add an abortion on top of that and it's even worse imho
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 07:00:24 PM
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 07:00:24 PM
The crime on their bodies was fixed thankfully by the medical profession and paid for courtesy of Australian tax payers. None of them wanted to forever be reminded a violent criminal attacked their bodies.
Only one rape victim I know kept the child. She was raped while passed out at a mental institution. She didn't know her rapist. She died when that child was 13. Tragic story really.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 07:00:24 PM
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 07:00:24 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 23, 2019, 07:06:03 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 23, 2019, 07:06:03 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 07:40:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 07:40:20 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 07:51:45 PM
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 07:51:45 PM
There are not nearly enough abortions around the world.Quote from: "Herman"
Kids are playing in abject filth globally.
If these pro-lifers want a cause then they should look after the lives born.
They cannot afford farmed protein food so they eat the wildlife.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 07:57:19 PM
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 07:57:19 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 08:03:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 08:03:11 PM
There are not nearly enough abortions around the world.Quote from: "Herman"
Kids are playing in abject filth globally.
If these pro-lifers want a cause then they should look after the lives born.
They cannot afford farmed protein food so they eat the wildlife.
Since a mass cull is genocide, a mass abortion program throughout the third world and in parts of the developed world is necessary.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 08:11:40 PM
Post by: caskur on May 23, 2019, 08:11:40 PM
But with the pandemics going on now, Hep C, TB, AIDS, Drug resistant Malaria.. and Flu, thats the other wave of culling going on.... And still we have billions of people breeding like flies. It's scary stuff.
I have a massive compassion for the young ones now who will have to clean up our piggish ways. What a future they'll have... NOT.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 08:26:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 08:26:18 PM
I think it would be a difficult decision for any woman to make regardless of their situation. Historically, women will have them even if they aren't legal. I would rather have it regulated by law and kept safe for women.Quote from: "Tipsy"
Hello Tipsy, welcome.
ac_smile
Thank you... and hello to you as well
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on May 23, 2019, 08:44:23 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 23, 2019, 08:44:23 PM
Rape should have a harsh punishment such as castration.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
Men are menally ill. They're too far gone now.
I feel bad for younger woman. They want the fairytale but young men cannot deliver it.
Only a small percentage will have good fulfilling lives. Others will marry dipshits have several children, raise them by themselves and live on welfare when the deadbeat dad walks out.
You think cave men took the cave women on dates before breeding them..
They didnt..
They killed the other cave men and took their women.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 08:47:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 08:47:33 PM
There are not nearly enough abortions around the world.Quote from: "Herman"
Kids are playing in abject filth globally.
If these pro-lifers want a cause then they should look after the lives born.
They cannot afford farmed protein food so they eat the wildlife.
Since a mass cull is genocide, a mass abortion program throughout the third world and in parts of the developed world is necessary.
Finally, something we disagree on.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 08:49:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 08:49:10 PM
I think it would be a difficult decision for any woman to make regardless of their situation. Historically, women will have them even if they aren't legal. I would rather have it regulated by law and kept safe for women.Quote from: "Tipsy"
It's not difficult if you get raped.
Sex crimes are rife.
Bed ridden elderly are raped in old people's homes by African immigrant orderlies.
Disabled are also raped in their communty housing.
Fair enough, but I still think a rape is a difficult emotional situation in and of itself. Add an abortion on top of that and it's even worse imho
It should be an option for every woman regardless of how they became impregnated. Especially in this economy. I am bored of the "using it as birth control" argument. The courts ordered sterilizations up until the 1970s for the women who were deemed promiscuous and imbecilic. Do you want to talk about an invasive procedure? They proved that society was better as a whole for it, but one judge doled out a premature order on a Native American and the whole nation was in an uproar.
The theory of law is that your rights stop where mine being. If I don't want my unborn child, isn't forcing me into a legally and financially binding situation with another human for 18 years in essence slavery?
I also believe inundating society with mothers forced into poverty with their fatherless children that they do not want want is going to be extremely detrimental on society as a whole. Think about the negative impact this will have on everything from taxes to crime.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 10:03:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2019, 10:03:23 PM
I do not believe you, Fash. While you're pregnant and you go to your church picnic and your other church friends say to you, "Oh, Fash, how wonderful! You and your husband are expecting again!?" You really expect me to believe you will smile at them and say nothing? I am 100% in doubt.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
I couldn't kill a mouse let alone an innocent unborn child.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 23, 2019, 11:04:56 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 23, 2019, 11:04:56 PM
I do not believe there is anyone on these forums who would carry out a pregnancy that is the result of rape.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 23, 2019, 11:05:58 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 23, 2019, 11:05:58 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 05:46:18 AM
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 05:46:18 AM
If I don't want my unborn child, isn't forcing me into a legally and financially binding situation with another human for 18 years in essence slavery?Quote from: "Tipsy"
I also believe inundating society with mothers forced into poverty with their fatherless children that they do not want want is going to be extremely detrimental on society as a whole. Think about the negative impact this will have on everything from taxes to crime.
Women and children will be murdered because men will not want pay maintenance. That's already been happening.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 05:49:08 AM
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 05:49:08 AM
I do not believe you, Fash. While you're pregnant and you go to your church picnic and your other church friends say to you, "Oh, Fash, how wonderful! You and your husband are expecting again!?" You really expect me to believe you will smile at them and say nothing? I am 100% in doubt.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
I couldn't kill a mouse let alone an innocent unborn child.
And that's your grown women's choice. And that choice is 100% yours and no one elses.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 06:32:02 AM
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 06:32:02 AM
Easy to say. I am still waiting for you to say what you would do if it happened to you.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
adoption
Admirable. But an unusually high expectation to set for any woman where she is forced to re-live the trauma to a considerably higher degree being pregnant than perhaps if she weren't
This should remain a personal choice to the victim imo
Which is why I do not believe in Fash on this one. It is easy to say for her now until it really happens to her.
I believe she would adopt out a child because that is what formerly people did but then a whole new set of abandonment issues plague a child its WHOLE life. The child is condemned. Naturally there are adoption successes which the media hold up as ideal.
We have a young Ethiopian adopted 16 year old kid as a contestant atm on The Voice.... The height of his stilettos equal the height of his Fro.....lol
He's not too bad either...
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 24, 2019, 08:37:57 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 24, 2019, 08:37:57 AM
Caskur I really hope you aren't trying to say that adoption is worse than abortion. I can assure you if you ask adopted kids if they would rather have been adopted or aborted, most would certainly choose adopted. And with adoption everyone wins-- a child gets to live instead of be killed, the parents who didn't want it don' have to take care of the child, and often a couple who can't have children gets to have one.Easy to say. I am still waiting for you to say what you would do if it happened to you.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
adoption
Admirable. But an unusually high expectation to set for any woman where she is forced to re-live the trauma to a considerably higher degree being pregnant than perhaps if she weren't
This should remain a personal choice to the victim imo
Which is why I do not believe in Fash on this one. It is easy to say for her now until it really happens to her.
I believe she would adopt out a child because that is what formerly people did but then a whole new set of abandonment issues plague a child its WHOLE life. The child is condemned. Naturally there are adoption successes which the media hold up as ideal.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 24, 2019, 08:40:03 AM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 24, 2019, 08:40:03 AM
What a hypocrite
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 09:44:59 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 09:44:59 AM
If I don't want my unborn child, isn't forcing me into a legally and financially binding situation with another human for 18 years in essence slavery?Quote from: "Tipsy"
I also believe inundating society with mothers forced into poverty with their fatherless children that they do not want want is going to be extremely detrimental on society as a whole. Think about the negative impact this will have on everything from taxes to crime.
Women and children will be murdered because men will not want pay maintenance. That's already been happening.
My biggest issue with all of this is that only the women are being targeted in the abortion ban. There is no mention of the father anywhere.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 09:47:49 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 09:47:49 AM
I do not consider an embryo a child. You can argue all you want until you are blue in the face. Nothing will change my mind.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
I concur. The courts will not even recognize a life has been lost if the fetus dies prior to the 3rd trimester and even then it's questionable.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 09:58:44 AM
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 09:58:44 AM
Easy to say. I am still waiting for you to say what you would do if it happened to you.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
adoption
Admirable. But an unusually high expectation to set for any woman where she is forced to re-live the trauma to a considerably higher degree being pregnant than perhaps if she weren't
This should remain a personal choice to the victim imo
Which is why I do not believe in Fash on this one. It is easy to say for her now until it really happens to her.
I believe she would adopt out a child because that is what formerly people did but then a whole new set of abandonment issues plague a child its WHOLE life. The child is condemned. Naturally there are adoption successes which the media hold up as ideal.
At one point, they ran a lot of shows where people were looking for their natural families. I saw a lot of suffering and a lot of real mental problems.
Everyone is going to choose life over death.
We had to apologize to the aborigines for baby stealing and unwed mothers. They used to steal their babies too.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 10:02:02 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 10:02:02 AM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 10:07:43 AM
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 10:07:43 AM
If I don't want my unborn child, isn't forcing me into a legally and financially binding situation with another human for 18 years in essence slavery?Quote from: "Tipsy"
I also believe inundating society with mothers forced into poverty with their fatherless children that they do not want want is going to be extremely detrimental on society as a whole. Think about the negative impact this will have on everything from taxes to crime.
Women and children will be murdered because men will not want pay maintenance. That's already been happening.
My biggest issue with all of this is that only the women are being targeted in the abortion ban. There is no mention of the father anywhere.
Its violence against women... or more aptly, a FORM of violence against women.
I just wished parents really educated their kids about sex and scare them off it until they're grown.
Start them about 11. I know its an embarrassing topic but an once of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure.
My sex education at 12 was, "here, wear these," as a pad was passed to me... And that was it.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 10:09:16 AM
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 10:09:16 AM
Oregon passed a new law allowing pharmacists to prescribe birth control... birth control pills are 91% effective. That's 9% unwanted pregnancies just from the pill alone.Quote from: "Tipsy"
15% of condoms fail too...
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 24, 2019, 11:26:12 AM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 24, 2019, 11:26:12 AM
My biggest issue with all of this is that only the women are being targeted in the abortion ban. There is no mention of the father anywhere.
The problem you're seeing here is that feminists make this choice exclusively about them. Consistently denying the fathers any say whatsoever in the situation. So of course the laws are only going to apply to women. The men are busy in the corner trying to get the duct tape off their mouths. Give fathers the right to have an equal say and I'd stand right beside you in solidarity that they should share in the consequence
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 01:24:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 01:24:08 PM
If I don't want my unborn child, isn't forcing me into a legally and financially binding situation with another human for 18 years in essence slavery?Quote from: "Tipsy"
I also believe inundating society with mothers forced into poverty with their fatherless children that they do not want want is going to be extremely detrimental on society as a whole. Think about the negative impact this will have on everything from taxes to crime.
Women and children will be murdered because men will not want pay maintenance. That's already been happening.
My biggest issue with all of this is that only the women are being targeted in the abortion ban. There is no mention of the father anywhere.
Its violence against women... or more aptly, a FORM of violence against women.
I just wished parents really educated their kids about sex and scare them off it until they're grown.
Start them about 11. I know its an embarrassing topic but an once of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure.
My sex education at 12 was, "here, wear these," as a pad was passed to me... And that was it.
Don't get me started on the failure of some of the types of men who use them and how no one should be forced to procreate with them.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 24, 2019, 01:38:33 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 24, 2019, 01:38:33 PM
the media distorts reality, they aren't going to report on the majority of adoptees who are happy and well adjusted.Easy to say. I am still waiting for you to say what you would do if it happened to you.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
adoption
Admirable. But an unusually high expectation to set for any woman where she is forced to re-live the trauma to a considerably higher degree being pregnant than perhaps if she weren't
This should remain a personal choice to the victim imo
Which is why I do not believe in Fash on this one. It is easy to say for her now until it really happens to her.
I believe she would adopt out a child because that is what formerly people did but then a whole new set of abandonment issues plague a child its WHOLE life. The child is condemned. Naturally there are adoption successes which the media hold up as ideal.
At one point, they ran a lot of shows where people were looking for their natural families. I saw a lot of suffering and a lot of real mental problems.
I've know several people who were adopted. Most are about as normal as anyone else. Sure a lot of them would like to know where they came from, but that is a small issue compared to never having been born in the first place.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 02:16:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 02:16:18 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 24, 2019, 02:22:50 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 24, 2019, 02:22:50 PM
If I don't want my unborn child, isn't forcing me into a legally and financially binding situation with another human for 18 years in essence slavery?Quote from: "Tipsy"
I also believe inundating society with mothers forced into poverty with their fatherless children that they do not want want is going to be extremely detrimental on society as a whole. Think about the negative impact this will have on everything from taxes to crime.
Women and children will be murdered because men will not want pay maintenance. That's already been happening.
My biggest issue with all of this is that only the women are being targeted in the abortion ban. There is no mention of the father anywhere.
Its violence against women... or more aptly, a FORM of violence against women.
No its a form of representative democracy where representatives in government do what their constituents want, and if they don't, then they get voted out and replaced.
Its unfortunate that progtards have hijacked this issue and made it into a men=bad women=poor oppressed victims issue , instead of what it really is--an issue that we are ALL involved in, not just women-- it includes everyone because it is about when human life begins--and it includes the men who contributed half the genes, and the men who contribute money to children the mother wanted but the man didn't, and it includes the unborn children who can't speak for themselves because are being dismembered and sucked out with a vacuum into the garbage because their existence is inconvenient. But lets not talk about any of that that cause-- women women women women women and nobody else matters.
I've been pro choice for the first 3 to 6 months all my life but when I hear you talk it makes me want to change my mind, you're not helping your cause one bit.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on May 24, 2019, 03:32:29 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 24, 2019, 03:32:29 PM
If she decides to keep the baby, it will cause damage to my life.
I can see why women dont have a problem with this..
Women like making decisions based on the impact the decision has on others... Gives them the maximum attention.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 03:47:35 PM
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 03:47:35 PM
I have a problem with only being entitled to pay for the kid..Quote from: "Odinson"
If she decides to keep the baby, it will cause damage to my life.
I can see why women dont have a problem with this..
Women like making decisions based on the impact the decision has on others... Gives them the maximum attention.
Actually it's the Goverments that FORCE women to seek money from the biological fathers...
Mothers would sooner you men just piss off.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 04:03:55 PM
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 04:03:55 PM
If I don't want my unborn child, isn't forcing me into a legally and financially binding situation with another human for 18 years in essence slavery?Quote from: "Tipsy"
I also believe inundating society with mothers forced into poverty with their fatherless children that they do not want want is going to be extremely detrimental on society as a whole. Think about the negative impact this will have on everything from taxes to crime.
Women and children will be murdered because men will not want pay maintenance. That's already been happening.
My biggest issue with all of this is that only the women are being targeted in the abortion ban. There is no mention of the father anywhere.
Its violence against women... or more aptly, a FORM of violence against women.:001_rolleyes: :001_rolleyes: :001_rolleyes: :oeudC: :oeudC: :oeudC:
No its a form of representative democracy where representatives in government do what their constituents want, and if they don't, then they get voted out and replaced.
Its unfortunate that progtards have hijacked this issue and made it into a men=bad women=poor oppressed victims issue , instead of what it really is--an issue that we are ALL involved in, not just women-- it includes everyone because it is about when human life begins--and it includes the men who contributed half the genes, and the men who contribute money to children the mother wanted but the man didn't, and it includes the unborn children who can't speak for themselves because are being dismembered and sucked out with a vacuum into the garbage because their existence is inconvenient. But lets not talk about any of that that cause-- women women women women women and nobody else matters.
I've been pro choice for the first 3 to 6 months all my life but when I hear you talk it makes me want to change my mind, you're not helping your cause one bit.
If that person who walked off with the sign was a male and was attracting everyone's vitriol, I'd still be saying the same things.
abortion isn't a political subject, it's a human subject that has been taken over but right whinger nutters.
Some of us have explained in this topic that they are pro-life while others like me said it's a female issue and unless we're involved, it's none of our business.
Hey, you remember those days right where your next door neighbours business was their own?
Today we have the ability to prevent future disasters like bringing unwanted children into the world. We should use it.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 04:09:04 PM
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 04:09:04 PM
Most adoptees are better off with their adoptive parents than their biological parents.Quote from: "Fashionista"
I only support "open adoption" and extended family adoption.
I think a child has a right to know where he or she came from and to know their extended families and for their extended families to know them..
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 24, 2019, 05:36:46 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 24, 2019, 05:36:46 PM
If I don't want my unborn child, isn't forcing me into a legally and financially binding situation with another human for 18 years in essence slavery?Quote from: "Tipsy"
I also believe inundating society with mothers forced into poverty with their fatherless children that they do not want want is going to be extremely detrimental on society as a whole. Think about the negative impact this will have on everything from taxes to crime.
Women and children will be murdered because men will not want pay maintenance. That's already been happening.
My biggest issue with all of this is that only the women are being targeted in the abortion ban. There is no mention of the father anywhere.
Its violence against women... or more aptly, a FORM of violence against women.:001_rolleyes: :001_rolleyes: :001_rolleyes: :oeudC: :oeudC: :oeudC:
No its a form of representative democracy where representatives in government do what their constituents want, and if they don't, then they get voted out and replaced.
Its unfortunate that progtards have hijacked this issue and made it into a men=bad women=poor oppressed victims issue , instead of what it really is--an issue that we are ALL involved in, not just women-- it includes everyone because it is about when human life begins--and it includes the men who contributed half the genes, and the men who contribute money to children the mother wanted but the man didn't, and it includes the unborn children who can't speak for themselves because are being dismembered and sucked out with a vacuum into the garbage because their existence is inconvenient. But lets not talk about any of that that cause-- women women women women women and nobody else matters.
I've been pro choice for the first 3 to 6 months all my life but when I hear you talk it makes me want to change my mind, you're not helping your cause one bit.
abortion isn't a political subject, it's a human subject that has been taken over but right whinger nutters.
here's the deal Caskur
the system of government We live under here is a democracy, its not a dictatorship where (admitted*) manhating feminazi kooks like yourself get to dictate the rules we all live under.
Men vote so men get a say. You don't like it? tough shit.
*
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 05:42:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 05:42:10 PM
Most adoptees are better off with their adoptive parents than their biological parents.Quote from: "Fashionista"
I only support "open adoption" and extended family adoption.
I think a child has a right to know where he or she came from and to know their extended families and for their extended families to know them..
They have that right already.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 06:01:16 PM
Post by: caskur on May 24, 2019, 06:01:16 PM
If I don't want my unborn child, isn't forcing me into a legally and financially binding situation with another human for 18 years in essence slavery?Quote from: "Tipsy"
I also believe inundating society with mothers forced into poverty with their fatherless children that they do not want want is going to be extremely detrimental on society as a whole. Think about the negative impact this will have on everything from taxes to crime.
Women and children will be murdered because men will not want pay maintenance. That's already been happening.
My biggest issue with all of this is that only the women are being targeted in the abortion ban. There is no mention of the father anywhere.
Its violence against women... or more aptly, a FORM of violence against women.:001_rolleyes: :001_rolleyes: :001_rolleyes: :oeudC: :oeudC: :oeudC:
No its a form of representative democracy where representatives in government do what their constituents want, and if they don't, then they get voted out and replaced.
Its unfortunate that progtards have hijacked this issue and made it into a men=bad women=poor oppressed victims issue , instead of what it really is--an issue that we are ALL involved in, not just women-- it includes everyone because it is about when human life begins--and it includes the men who contributed half the genes, and the men who contribute money to children the mother wanted but the man didn't, and it includes the unborn children who can't speak for themselves because are being dismembered and sucked out with a vacuum into the garbage because their existence is inconvenient. But lets not talk about any of that that cause-- women women women women women and nobody else matters.
I've been pro choice for the first 3 to 6 months all my life but when I hear you talk it makes me want to change my mind, you're not helping your cause one bit.
abortion isn't a political subject, it's a human subject that has been taken over but right whinger nutters.
here's the deal Caskur
the system of government We live under here is a democracy, its not a dictatorship where (admitted*) manhating feminazi kooks like yourself get to dictate the rules we all live under.
Men vote so men get a say. You don't like it? tough shit.
*https://thebluecashew.net/post311416.html?hilit=apologies#p311416
And you don't like what women say or even are allowed to say it in the first place, tough shit back atcha!!!
Women in WA have been allowed to vote since 1900 when your ancestors probably still sat their hairy arses in igloos, cave dweller.
Shut it already, dipshit.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on May 24, 2019, 06:49:17 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 24, 2019, 06:49:17 PM
I have a problem with only being entitled to pay for the kid..Quote from: "Odinson"
If she decides to keep the baby, it will cause damage to my life.
I can see why women dont have a problem with this..
Women like making decisions based on the impact the decision has on others... Gives them the maximum attention.
Actually it's the Goverments that FORCE women to seek money from the biological fathers...
Mothers would sooner you men just piss off.
You can tell them that you dont know the father..
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Bricktop on May 24, 2019, 08:09:17 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 24, 2019, 08:09:17 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 08:19:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 08:19:05 PM
I think it's time to create a flaming sub-forum.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Good idea..
How do we do that.....I am ignorant of flaming.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Cronus on May 24, 2019, 09:21:16 PM
Post by: Cronus on May 24, 2019, 09:21:16 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 09:24:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 09:24:12 PM
I believe if a man can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that a woman tricked him into impregnating her, that he should be able to relinquish all of his parental rights. However, I think it would be better for society if she were to be sterilized. There are so many mothers out there who are not ready for conventional motherhood, yet have children with zero intention of raising them. They tend to be completely devoid of responsibility... dumping them with relatives or even alone, avoiding their teachers and school responsibilities, parking them in front of a video game or equipping them with a cell phone so they can attend to their addiction, whatever that may be.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Cronus on May 24, 2019, 09:59:47 PM
Post by: Cronus on May 24, 2019, 09:59:47 PM
I think it's time to create a flaming sub-forum.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Good idea..
How do we do that.....I am ignorant of flaming.
We already have a flaming sub...It's RR. Flame posts are already moved there. Flame threads are started there already.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 10:24:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2019, 10:24:38 PM
I think it's time to create a flaming sub-forum.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Good idea..
How do we do that.....I am ignorant of flaming.
We already have a flaming sub...It's RR. Flame posts are already moved there. Flame threads are started there already.
I thought flaming and RR were the same.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Cronus on May 24, 2019, 10:39:48 PM
Post by: Cronus on May 24, 2019, 10:39:48 PM
I think it's time to create a flaming sub-forum.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Good idea..
How do we do that.....I am ignorant of flaming.
We already have a flaming sub...It's RR. Flame posts are already moved there. Flame threads are started there already.
I thought flaming and RR were the same.
They are....
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 24, 2019, 10:49:37 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 24, 2019, 10:49:37 PM
You've got it exactly backward. I never said women shouldn't have a say I just said men should have one too. YOU are the one saying men have no right to have a say in anything. How are you different from the WA men before 1900 who said women shouldn't be able to vote? You aren't.If I don't want my unborn child, isn't forcing me into a legally and financially binding situation with another human for 18 years in essence slavery?Quote from: "Tipsy"
I also believe inundating society with mothers forced into poverty with their fatherless children that they do not want want is going to be extremely detrimental on society as a whole. Think about the negative impact this will have on everything from taxes to crime.
Women and children will be murdered because men will not want pay maintenance. That's already been happening.
My biggest issue with all of this is that only the women are being targeted in the abortion ban. There is no mention of the father anywhere.
Its violence against women... or more aptly, a FORM of violence against women.:001_rolleyes: :001_rolleyes: :001_rolleyes: :oeudC: :oeudC: :oeudC:
No its a form of representative democracy where representatives in government do what their constituents want, and if they don't, then they get voted out and replaced.
Its unfortunate that progtards have hijacked this issue and made it into a men=bad women=poor oppressed victims issue , instead of what it really is--an issue that we are ALL involved in, not just women-- it includes everyone because it is about when human life begins--and it includes the men who contributed half the genes, and the men who contribute money to children the mother wanted but the man didn't, and it includes the unborn children who can't speak for themselves because are being dismembered and sucked out with a vacuum into the garbage because their existence is inconvenient. But lets not talk about any of that that cause-- women women women women women and nobody else matters.
I've been pro choice for the first 3 to 6 months all my life but when I hear you talk it makes me want to change my mind, you're not helping your cause one bit.
abortion isn't a political subject, it's a human subject that has been taken over but right whinger nutters.
here's the deal Caskur
the system of government We live under here is a democracy, its not a dictatorship where (admitted*) manhating feminazi kooks like yourself get to dictate the rules we all live under.
Men vote so men get a say. You don't like it? tough shit.
*https://thebluecashew.net/post311416.html?hilit=apologies#p311416
And you don't like what women say or even are allowed to say it in the first place, tough shit back atcha!!!
Women in WA have been allowed to vote since 1900 when your ancestors probably still sat their hairy arses in igloos, cave dweller.
Shut it already, dipshit.
Not surprising since you admitted you hate men. (see link below for proof)
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Bricktop on May 25, 2019, 01:32:04 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 25, 2019, 01:32:04 AM
I think it's time to create a flaming sub-forum.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Good idea..
How do we do that.....I am ignorant of flaming.
We already have a flaming sub...It's RR. Flame posts are already moved there. Flame threads are started there already.
I thought flaming and RR were the same.
They are....
I think we need a flaming sub.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2019, 09:55:03 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2019, 09:55:03 AM
I think it's time to create a flaming sub-forum.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Good idea..
How do we do that.....I am ignorant of flaming.
We already have a flaming sub...It's RR. Flame posts are already moved there. Flame threads are started there already.
I thought flaming and RR were the same.
They are....
I think we need a flaming sub.
Can you explain how flaming would differ from the RR sub?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 25, 2019, 10:09:59 AM
Post by: caskur on May 25, 2019, 10:09:59 AM
Not surprising since you admitted you hate men. (see link below for proof)https://thebluecashew.net/post311416.html?hilit=apologies#p311416
At least I admit it while you men drop nuclear bombs and rockets on each other... No one tops men's hatred on other men more than you males...
Forget it, you will never win an argument against me.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: JOE on May 25, 2019, 11:23:32 AM
Post by: JOE on May 25, 2019, 11:23:32 AM
I understand this is a hot topic.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
If I had a daughter who was raped and she got pregnant, I would not want her to carry on the pregnancy unless she, as an individual, wants to. There should be no unwanted pregnancies unless the expectant mother truly wants to have the baby either to care for or to give away for adoption. I am a little uncomfortable watching men make decisions over how a woman should handle the developments in her body. Why is this a matter for the government? Doesn't the expectant mother have a say in her own situation?
Of course.
Thats what those men did all those years.
Control the woman.
And it led to all those botched abortions.
Actually prior to the 20th century abortion was legal in the United States.
I support abortion because we have too many people & there's a shortage of parents & too many unwanted children.
Plus the same people who are opposed to abortion often wish to cut budgets for social services & they advocate building more prisons to house all these unwanted children who grow up to become their inmates.
Donald Trump said he doesn't want any more refugees and yet he and his party have threatened to cut funding for planned parenthood in nations that are the source of the problem.
Can't have it both ways
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2019, 11:31:01 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2019, 11:31:01 AM
PP uses one fifth of the money congress allocates for them to lobby congress.
Even pro death advocates acknowledge slaughtering unborn babies is not dependent on PP getting taxpayer monies.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 25, 2019, 11:55:28 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 25, 2019, 11:55:28 AM
Planned Parenthood shouldn't get any taxpayer funding. If people want to have their "choice" they need to pay for it themselves not make other people pay for it for them. IMO Also planned parenthood ought to be forced to change its name to something more accurate--like abortion services.Planned Parenthood raises eight hundred million dollars in private funding per year and still receives taxpayer funding..Quote from: "Fashionista"
:crazy:
PP uses one fifth of the money congress allocates for them to lobby congress.
:crazy:
Even pro death advocates acknowledge slaughtering unborn babies is not dependent on PP getting taxpayer monies.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 25, 2019, 12:32:48 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 25, 2019, 12:32:48 PM
That may be a bit overgeneralized BUT It hits the mark in many ways--Lefties think its OK to abort a 3rd trimester baby... Cuddle the baby a bit and then give him/her the shot..Quote from: "Odinson"
The righties dont want any of the abortion stuff because they think we are deserting our moral values.
I think what SHOULD happen rather than one extreme winning or the other, it would be better to find a compromise--like say a person can get an abortion in the first 1 to 2 trimestesr, but after that, they can't except for life of the mother (which is almost never the case).
Likely what WILL happen in the US is Roe V Wade will be overturned and each state will decide for itself what laws they want. The east and west coast states will most likely have abortion up until 1 minute before birth. In the south in places like Alabama abortion will be entirely or mostly illegal. And other places will be somewhere in between.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2019, 01:30:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2019, 01:30:02 PM
Planned Parenthood raises eight hundred million dollars in private funding per year and still receives taxpayer funding..Quote from: "Fashionista"
:crazy:
PP uses one fifth of the money congress allocates for them to lobby congress.
:crazy:
Even pro death advocates acknowledge slaughtering unborn babies is not dependent on PP getting taxpayer monies.
It was a stupid troll bait analogy anyway by Joe the virgin. Enforcing immigration law and defunding PP are contradictory. What a piss poor troll.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 25, 2019, 04:49:44 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 25, 2019, 04:49:44 PM
Here's one--since the vast majority of people who die in wars are men. I think from now on only men should have a say in things regarding whether to go to war etc. Women should have no say whatsoever on matters of war.
Another-- men pay more in taxes than women. So when it comes to how much the government spends and what it spends it on, only men should have a say in these things. Women should have no say whatsoever on matters of government spending.
Maybe there's a few more I can think of, but that should do for now to illustrate the point.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on May 25, 2019, 05:03:25 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 25, 2019, 05:03:25 PM
Women cheer and support the men...
But when the going gets rough, women have options... Play the victim card.
"It wuznt mi.. It wuz the otters"..
Women are like nikkers..
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: JOE on May 25, 2019, 05:26:52 PM
Post by: JOE on May 25, 2019, 05:26:52 PM
Planned Parenthood raises eight hundred million dollars in private funding per year and still receives taxpayer funding..Quote from: "Fashionista"
:crazy:
PP uses one fifth of the money congress allocates for them to lobby congress.
:crazy:
Even pro death advocates acknowledge slaughtering unborn babies is not dependent on PP getting taxpayer monies.
Well Fashionista I have a friend who sired a daughter who's now 2 years old.
Both he & his g/f were financially & emotionally unprepared to bring the child into the world.
Btw he's in his 50s & got a serious drinking problem.
His gf contacted me last night asking for his whereabouts.
No doubt she's wanting money from him too.
I feel sorry for the child because she didn't ask to be born into this world
But here she is & somebody's gotta take care of her.
Anyways they're always short of money & as a friend it's difficult to turn my back on them.
I lent them $200 last mo to avert their eviction.
It was to save the child.
Once there's another child around we can't ignore them.
Theyre needy & they require money and things to survive
And then the entire community/society has to pitch in.
Theres some truth in what Hillary Clinton said with regards to child rearing
..."It takes a village..."
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: JOE on May 25, 2019, 05:31:42 PM
Post by: JOE on May 25, 2019, 05:31:42 PM
caskur said only women should be allowed to determine abortion laws. So that got me wondering If there are certain issues that only women should decide, then maybe there some issues only men should decide. HmmQuote from: "Wazzzup"
Here's one--since the vast majority of people who die in wars are men. I think from now on only men should have a say in things regarding whether to go to war etc. Women should have no say whatsoever on matters of war.
Another-- men pay more in taxes than women. So when it comes to how much the government spends and what it spends it on, only men should have a say in these things. Women should have no say whatsoever on matters of government spending.
Maybe there's a few more I can think of, but that should do for now to illustrate the point.
Well I agree with caskur on one thing.
A lot of the fault for this overpopulation problem is with men who can't control themselves & have a hard time keeping their dick in their pants.
The trouble I have with much of this anti abortion rhetoric is that it puts all the blame on the woman because they are the most visible & the most convenient target.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 25, 2019, 06:07:14 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 25, 2019, 06:07:14 PM
Well I agree with Caskur on one thing.Quote from: "JOE"
Joe, you and Caskur agreeing on an issue does very little to promote and bring esteem to it. More likely the opposite.
This is a myth. There is no overpopulation problem in western countries There is an underpopulation problem. The birth rate in all western countries is below replacement levels.A lot of the fault for this overpopulation problem is with men who can't control themselves & have a hard time keeping their dick in their pants.Quote from: "JOE"
Joe, When have you, a known anti woman poster, ever been in the corner of women? Must be a first eh Joe?The trouble I have with much of this anti abortion rhetoric is that it puts all the blame on the woman because they are the most visible & the most convenient target.Quote from: "JOE"
It doesn't put any blame on women. No one has suggested criminal penalties for women having abortions. This is all propaganda--The predominantly leftist pro choice movement is using the: men-are-oppressors, women-are-victims, formula to divide women against men for political gain (the left loves to divide people against each other by race, gender etc-- its their favorite political strategy.)
Fash is a woman and she is pro life. Is she trying to betray women, or is it that she genuinely cares about the lives of the unborn? I think we all know the answer.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 25, 2019, 06:47:27 PM
Post by: caskur on May 25, 2019, 06:47:27 PM
caskur said only women should be allowed to determine abortion laws. So that got me wondering If there are certain issues that only women should decide, then maybe there some issues only men should decide. HmmQuote from: "Wazzzup"
Here's one--since the vast majority of people who die in wars are men. I think from now on only men should have a say in things regarding whether to go to war etc. Women should have no say whatsoever on matters of war.
Another-- men pay more in taxes than women. So when it comes to how much the government spends and what it spends it on, only men should have a say in these things. Women should have no say whatsoever on matters of government spending.
Maybe there's a few more I can think of, but that should do for now to illustrate the point.
Well I agree with caskur on one thing.
A lot of the fault for this overpopulation problem is with men who can't control themselves & have a hard time keeping their dick in their pants.
The trouble I have with much of this anti abortion rhetoric is that it puts all the blame on the woman because they are the most visible & the most convenient target.
Exactly.
In fact, back in the 1950s, New Zealand jailed unwed mothers.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 25, 2019, 07:02:54 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 25, 2019, 07:02:54 PM
Of course, all of this is very relevant to a topic about abortionPlanned Parenthood raises eight hundred million dollars in private funding per year and still receives taxpayer funding..Quote from: "Fashionista"
:crazy:
PP uses one fifth of the money congress allocates for them to lobby congress.
:crazy:
Even pro death advocates acknowledge slaughtering unborn babies is not dependent on PP getting taxpayer monies.
Well Fashionista I have a friend who sired a daughter who's now 2 years old.
Both he & his g/f were financially & emotionally unprepared to bring the child into the world.
Btw he's in his 50s & got a serious drinking problem.
His gf contacted me last night asking for his whereabouts.
No doubt she's wanting money from him too.
I feel sorry for the child because she didn't ask to be born into this world
But here she is & somebody's gotta take care of her.
Anyways they're always short of money & as a friend it's difficult to turn my back on them.
I lent them $200 last mo to avert their eviction.
It was to save the child.
Once there's another child around we can't ignore them.
Theyre needy & they require money and things to survive
And then the entire community/society has to pitch in.
Theres some truth in what Hillary Clinton said with regards to child rearing
..."It takes a village..."
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 25, 2019, 07:06:28 PM
Post by: caskur on May 25, 2019, 07:06:28 PM
Planned Parenthood raises eight hundred million dollars in private funding per year and still receives taxpayer funding..Quote from: "Fashionista"
:crazy:
PP uses one fifth of the money congress allocates for them to lobby congress.
:crazy:
Even pro death advocates acknowledge slaughtering unborn babies is not dependent on PP getting taxpayer monies.
Well Fashionista I have a friend who sired a daughter who's now 2 years old.
Both he & his g/f were financially & emotionally unprepared to bring the child into the world.
Btw he's in his 50s & got a serious drinking problem.
His gf contacted me last night asking for his whereabouts.
No doubt she's wanting money from him too.
I feel sorry for the child because she didn't ask to be born into this world
But here she is & somebody's gotta take care of her.
Anyways they're always short of money & as a friend it's difficult to turn my back on them.
I lent them $200 last mo to avert their eviction.
It was to save the child.
Once there's another child around we can't ignore them.
Theyre needy & they require money and things to survive
And then the entire community/society has to pitch in.
Theres some truth in what Hillary Clinton said with regards to child rearing
..."It takes a village..."
Yesterday I had the extreme misfortune to see a Doctor Phil topic about a 3 year old that spent his life a prisoner under the stairs in a hidden closet.
Woman sentenced to 28 years for starving stepson, locking him in closet at Spring home
By Nicole Hensley Updated 9:40 pm CST, Monday, December 10, 2018
A woman convicted of starving her diaper-clad stepson and forcing him to sleep in a closet at her Spring home has been sentenced to 28 years in prison, according to officials.
A jury last week found Tammi Bleimeyer guilty of causing injury to a child in the harrowing case that prompted a guilty plea from the boy's biological father,
Bradley Bleimeyer, in 2016. He was handed a 15-year prison sentence on the same charge.
________________________________
Even in that story it's discriminatory. The step mother got more than 10 years longer than the husband. The biological father should have gotten 28 years to equal his wife as well. Just an appalling story that no doubt will give us all nightmares for a long time.
After 10 days of testimony, Harris County District Attorney's Office
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 25, 2019, 08:41:28 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 25, 2019, 08:41:28 PM
Not relevant at all of course. and its another one of the hundreds of Joe's fake friend stories.Planned Parenthood raises eight hundred million dollars in private funding per year and still receives taxpayer funding..Quote from: "Fashionista"
:crazy:
PP uses one fifth of the money congress allocates for them to lobby congress.
:crazy:
Even pro death advocates acknowledge slaughtering unborn babies is not dependent on PP getting taxpayer monies.
Well Fashionista I have a friend who sired a daughter who's now 2 years old.
Both he & his g/f were financially & emotionally unprepared to bring the child into the world.
Btw he's in his 50s & got a serious drinking problem.
His gf contacted me last night asking for his whereabouts.
No doubt she's wanting money from him too.
I feel sorry for the child because she didn't ask to be born into this world
But here she is & somebody's gotta take care of her.
Anyways they're always short of money & as a friend it's difficult to turn my back on them.
I lent them $200 last mo to avert their eviction.
It was to save the child.
Once there's another child around we can't ignore them.
Theyre needy & they require money and things to survive
And then the entire community/society has to pitch in.
Theres some truth in what Hillary Clinton said with regards to child rearing
..."It takes a village..."
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 25, 2019, 08:55:08 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 25, 2019, 08:55:08 PM
Yesterday I had the extreme misfortune to see a Doctor Phil topic about a 3 year old that spent his life a prisoner under the stairs in a hidden closet.https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Woman-sentenced-to-28-years-for-starving-stepson-13455951.php
Woman sentenced to 28 years for starving stepson, locking him in closet at Spring home
By Nicole Hensley Updated 9:40 pm CST, Monday, December 10, 2018
A woman convicted of starving her diaper-clad stepson and forcing him to sleep in a closet at her Spring home has been sentenced to 28 years in prison, according to officials.
A jury last week found Tammi Bleimeyer guilty of causing injury to a child in the harrowing case that prompted a guilty plea from the boy's biological father,
Bradley Bleimeyer, in 2016. He was handed a 15-year prison sentence on the same charge.
________________________________Even in that story it's discriminatory. The step mother got more than 10 years longer than the husband. The biological father should have gotten 28 years to equal his wife as well.Just an appalling story that no doubt will give us all nightmares for a long time.
After 10 days of testimony, Harris County District Attorney's Office
First of all, what relevance is this to the topic of abortion?
Second of all the man pled guilty, while the woman went to trial and was convicted. People who make deals nearly always get lighter sentences than those who go to trial. That's the way the system works.
Third of all, men in most cases get longer sentences than women for the same offense.
"men receive 63% longer sentences on average than women do," and "[w]omen are...twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted." This gender gap is about six times as large as the racial disparity that Prof. Starr found in another recent paper.Quote
So much for your discrimination complaint.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 25, 2019, 09:14:37 PM
Post by: caskur on May 25, 2019, 09:14:37 PM
I just showed you a case where the step mother was given over a decade over her partner in crime.
Why is she responsible when she hadn't adopted the child? It was the biological father's problem to make sure his son was fed, hugged and enjoyed a happy childhood..That diabolical sub-human father should have been given 100 lashes Malaysian style and had his sorry arse thrown in prison with his form stamped,
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 25, 2019, 09:26:14 PM
Post by: caskur on May 25, 2019, 09:26:14 PM
Men cause wars..Quote from: "Odinson"
Women cheer and support the men...
But when the going gets rough, women have options... Play the victim card.
"It wuznt mi.. It wuz the otters"..
Women are like nikkers..
Yes, there is a modicum of truth in that... mainly because men are useless at war.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 25, 2019, 11:36:05 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 25, 2019, 11:36:05 PM
caskur said only women should be allowed to determine abortion laws. So that got me wondering If there are certain issues that only women should decide, then maybe there some issues only men should decide. HmmQuote from: "Wazzzup"
Here's one--since the vast majority of people who die in wars are men. I think from now on only men should have a say in things regarding whether to go to war etc. Women should have no say whatsoever on matters of war.
Another-- men pay more in taxes than women. So when it comes to how much the government spends and what it spends it on, only men should have a say in these things. Women should have no say whatsoever on matters of government spending.
Maybe there's a few more I can think of, but that should do for now to illustrate the point.
Well I agree with caskur on one thing.
A lot of the fault for this overpopulation problem is with men who can't control themselves & have a hard time keeping their dick in their pants.
The trouble I have with much of this anti abortion rhetoric is that it puts all the blame on the woman because they are the most visible & the most convenient target.
Exactly.
In fact, back in the 1950s, New Zealand jailed unwed mothers.
Well that's certainly relevant now.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: realgrimm on May 26, 2019, 02:20:16 AM
Post by: realgrimm on May 26, 2019, 02:20:16 AM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 06:47:16 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 06:47:16 AM
I am not my mothers property.
So much misinfo.
You people who act like anti abortion advocacy is some attack on women, or womens rights seem to forget much of the opposition you are talking about are women. It was MEN, 9 republican men, who decided Roe. Roe, a homeless teenager being exploited for that very purpose.
We can discuss how first wave feminism, the real feminism that actually got shit done, were opposed to abortion on the basis that is it the "greatest exploitation of women" and that abortion is "oppression redistributed" and how the shed blood of children is not currency for our liberation if youd like. I know it makes fake, "third wavers" uncomfortable.
When you consider the facts, of which i have handy....80 percent of post abortive women poled said they would not have aborted had they received support. 64 percent reported pressure, coercion and even force. Countless more....myself included, suffered post abortive trauma. An aftermath these great warriors of womens rights flat our denied and silenced for years. No more.
It comes down to this, the unborn human being is a living human being....we oppose the legalized killing of human beings. The more abortion advocates pretend that this tiny human on the chopping block doesnt exist and make it JUST about the woman, the more they demonstrate how dishonest they are. Casey Anthony killed her born child to make her life easier, she didnt seem broken up about it....does that mean we should have the "choice" to kill our kids? Because some womens lives look better afterwards? Whether or not brutal killing of the weaker should be legal should not and does not rest on ancedotes on how the stronger feel about it.
If you wish to use abortion to advocate for women, i have a question for you.
How many of us who were left in shattered fucking pieces, how many poor women exploited, how many victims of force are supposed to take one for your "womens rights" team? If you advocacy for women completely ignores the big picture, its not advocacy.
All so you dont have pay some extra taxes, or donate, or be bothered with socioeconomic ills? Abortion is a lazy, brutal, dark age "solution" to crisis. It does harm, whether you admit the facts or not. All the issues it was supposed to solve have only increased. Turns out when you treat human life as disposable garbage, that entitled mentality bleeds into everything else.
Illegal abortion is heavily associated with lower rates of unwanted pregnancy, lower maternal mortality. Its high
time to either abandon the rhetoric and look at the facts, or start sewing your handmaids tale hat.
If i dont have human rights, i dont have womens rights. My daughters are not just "my choice" they are valuable individual human beings.
Also, if you REALLY care about rape survivors, you should spend some time hearing THEIR voice on this. Rape survivors almost never chose to abort, and many that do did so because of family force or social pressure. Studies have shown that women pregnant from rape have better long term outcomes by letting the child live. That they recognize the child as theirs, not the rapists, and see the child as the innocent other victim. I have seen so many posts from these women since AL talking about how degrading abortion advocates are constantly using them as an argument, degrading their child, undermining their struggles and pain. Abortion doesnt unrape a woman, doesnt cure a difficult situation, it is a trauma on its own and most of these women do not see an additional act of violence as helpful. Abortion advocates love to dig and cherry pick and use extreme cases to use here. Like that 11 year old, who doesnt even WANT an abortion. You guys only seem to get fired up if someone is denied an abortion...but not ever over the multiple times someone is forced.
I have seen pro abortion advocates lash out at survivors, threatened to rape peoples daughters....its just disgusting how rape is used in the context of abortion.
There is a pro life speaker Jen Christi who is a survivor of rape who kept her son, she represents thousands of other survivors. She gets violent rape porn sent to her regularly.
There have been several court cases PP and abortion providers have been involved in for failure to report rape, releasing minor victims back to their abusers, and enabling the trafficking of minors and women.
For anyone who wants to pretend this video is some "pro life propaganda and somehow edited...there are very public court docs i am willing to provide.
Saying "Well, rape victims should have the right to chose" and shaking off your hands as if you've just been helpful is not reality, isnt enough, and disregards some serious fucking problems. Abortion after rape isnt helping the victim. Its helping society and other people not have to be uncomfortable or do any of the real work to help and support these women.
Pro life movement has millions of women, post abortive women, women who were pregnant from rape, women who were conceived in rape. Christians, pagans, secular humanists and atheists. We have thousands of outreaches, programs and resources that help so many women in various crisis.
Its about equal human rights for all humans and making real progress in solving and aiding in social problems that lead to such brutality.
Euphemisms, propaganda isnt enough anymore. If you are pro abortion, start addressing the issues with facts and data.
One last thing, anyone who says men shouldnt have a say is ignorant. Men decided Roe, which is the first problem with that thinking. Also, until women can get pregnant without a man, and when little boys are no longer slaughtered in abortion....then you can say that. Its just an emotionally manipulative way to try to silence men who OPPOSE abortion. I saw way too many asshole pro abortion women applauding that man in Canada who round house kicked a female pro life advocate. Cuck Norris is encouraged to kick women who defend life, so shut the fuck up saying men cant have a say. I never see any pro abortionists say that about men who agree with them. So stupid. You want to men to take responsibility when YOU want them to....it doesnt work that way.
When you are so pro woman, youll kick that bitch in the face for wimmenz rights!! And get applauded by the "no uterus no opinion" crowd!! Hey!
Abortion advocates are not the good guys.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 09:57:42 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 09:57:42 AM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 10:31:52 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 10:31:52 AM
I do not consider an embryo a child. You can argue all you want until you are blue in the face. Nothing will change my mind.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
Okay well, the FACT is a human in the embryonic stage of human development is a human being. Plenty of people believe things that are scientific falsehoods, like the earth being flat, or vaccines causing autism.
Your philosophical or religious beliefs have no place being legislated. Moreso when they involve the life and death of other human beings.
Infants and toddlers are not children either.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 10:40:17 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 10:40:17 AM
If I don't want my unborn child, isn't forcing me into a legally and financially binding situation with another human for 18 years in essence slavery?Quote from: "Tipsy"
I also believe inundating society with mothers forced into poverty with their fatherless children that they do not want want is going to be extremely detrimental on society as a whole. Think about the negative impact this will have on everything from taxes to crime.
Women and children will be murdered because men will not want pay maintenance. That's already been happening.
My biggest issue with all of this is that only the women are being targeted in the abortion ban. There is no mention of the father anywhere.
Its violence against women... or more aptly, a FORM of violence against women.
Millions of women will rightly say abortion is violence against women. Because it factually is. It is the brutal killing of unborn humans, many little women.
Offering abortion as a solution to a problem is violence.
Enabling a society in which we can be used for sex and sent to kill our own offspring is violence. Feeling the need to kill out offspring to make it in a mans world is violence.
Stop pretending women are helped by abortion and abortion opposition is just men trying to control us. The nature of our bodies is not slavery and not something to be seen as burdens.
And for the mentality that says not being able to legally kill our children in utero is a form of slavery....lol are you fucking serious?
So im not legally allowed to kill my born children. Am i forced to be a mother because of this?
Take some personal responsibility. Regardless of whatever low view of women you have to have to even have this sentiment....women are not these stupid, weak victims of their biology being held hostage by fetal humans.
We are able to double BC, get sterilized, not have sex, use adoption.
Suggesting our liberation comes at the cost of killing our unborn children is violence and exploitation of women.
Are we gonna pretend the millions of women like me just dont exist? Because thats not working for you.
We can look at the many ways abortion is actually real violence.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 10:49:42 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 10:49:42 AM
* Fertilization normally takes place within one day of intercourse but can occur up to six days later.[35] [36]
* At fertilization, the genetic composition of humans is formed.[37] This genetic information determines gender, eye color, hair color, and facial features. It also influences characteristics such as intelligence and personality.[38]
* The medical textbook The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology states that "fertilization" creates "a new combination of chromosomes that is different from that in the cells of either of the parents," and this "is the beginning of a new human being."[39]
* The four defining characteristics of life are present at fertilization:[40]
growth[41]
reproduction[42]
metabolism[43]
response to stimuli[44] [45]"
Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote."
[England, Marjorie A. Life Before Birth. 2nd ed. England: Mosby-Wolfe, 1996, p.31]
"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception).
"Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."
[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]
"Embryo: the developing organism from the time of fertilization until significant differentiation has occurred, when the organism becomes known as a fetus."
[Cloning Human Beings. Report and Recommendations of the National Bioethics Advisory Commission. Rockville, MD: GPO, 1997, Appendix-2.]
"Embryo: An organism in the earliest stage of development; in a man, from the time of conception to the end of the second month in the uterus."
[Dox, Ida G. et al. The Harper Collins Illustrated Medical Dictionary. New York: Harper Perennial, 1993, p. 146]
"Embryo: The early developing fertilized egg that is growing into another individual of the species. In man the term 'embryo' is usually restricted to the period of development from fertilization until the end of the eighth week of pregnancy."
[Walters, William and Singer, Peter (eds.). Test-Tube Babies. Melbourne: Oxford University Press, 1982, p. 160]
"The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
[Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3]
"Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism.... At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun.... The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life."
[Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943]
"I would say that among most scientists, the word 'embryo' includes the time from after fertilization..."
[Dr. John Eppig, Senior Staff Scientist, Jackson Laboratory (Bar Harbor, Maine) and Member of the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 31]
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 10:49:54 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 10:49:54 AM
[Sadler, T.W. Langman's Medical Embryology. 7th edition. Baltimore: Williams & Wilkins 1995, p. 3]
"The question came up of what is an embryo, when does an embryo exist, when does it occur. I think, as you know, that in development, life is a continuum.... But I think one of the useful definitions that has come out, especially from Germany, has been the stage at which these two nuclei [from sperm and egg] come together and the membranes between the two break down."
[Jonathan Van Blerkom of University of Colorado, expert witness on human embryology before the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 63]
"Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
[Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]
"The chromosomes of the oocyte and sperm are...respectively enclosed within female and male pronuclei. These pronuclei fuse with each other to produce the single, diploid, 2N nucleus of the fertilized zygote. This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development."
[Larsen, William J. Human Embryology. 2nd edition. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1997, p. 17]
"Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and M�ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]
"Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."
[Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]
"[A]nimal biologists use the term embryo to describe the single cell stage, the two-cell stage, and all subsequent stages up until a time when recognizable humanlike limbs and facial features begin to appear between six to eight weeks after fertilization....
"[A] number of specialists working in the field of human reproduction have suggested that we stop using the word embryo to describe the developing entity that exists for the first two weeks after fertilization. In its place, they proposed the term pre-embryo....
"I'll let you in on a secret. The term pre-embryo has been embraced wholeheartedly by IVF practitioners for reasons that are political, not scientific. The new term is used to provide the illusion that there is something profoundly different between what we nonmedical biologists still call a six-day-old embryo and what we and everyone else call a sixteen-day-old embryo.
"The term pre-embryo is useful in the political arena -- where decisions are made about whether to allow early embryo (now called pre-embryo) experimentation -- as well as in the confines of a doctor's office, where it can be used to allay moral concerns that might be expressed by IVF patients. 'Don't worry,' a doctor might say, 'it's only pre-embryos that we're manipulating or freezing. They won't turn into real human embryos until after we've put them back into your body.'"
[Silver, Lee M. Remaking Eden: Cloning and Beyond in a Brave New World. New York: Avon Books, 1997, p. 39]
Biologically speaking, fertilization (or conception) is the beginning of human development.1 Fertilization normally occurs within several hours of ovulation2 (some authors report up to 24 hours3) when a man's sperm, or spermatozoon, combines with a woman's egg, or secondary oocyte, inside a woman's uterine tube (usually in the outer third of the uterine tube called the ampulla).4
Fertilization begins with the spermatozoon contacting the cells surrounding the oocyte and ends with the mixing of the 23 male and 23 female chromosomes.5 [More about fertilization] The result is a single-cell embryo called a zygote,6 meaning "yoked or joined together,"7 and it is the first cell of the human body.
The zygote, like the oocyte, is encased by its protective covering, the zona pellucida, [More about the zona] 8 and contains 46 unique chromosomes with the entire genetic blueprint of a new individual. Chromosomes contain tightly packed, tightly coiled molecules called DNA.9 [More about DNA] Amazingly, DNA contains all the instructions needed for this single-cell embryo to develop into an adult.
ABSTRACT: The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins.
Definition: fertilization is the union of the male (sperm) and female (oocyte) gametes to form a zygote and marks the beginning of pregnancy. Embryonic life begins with fertilization. Fertilization process requires about 24 hours
A video response to the ridiculously ignorant abortion video Bill Nye presented
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 10:51:30 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 10:51:30 AM
They [the women] are never allowed to look at the ultrasound because we knew that if they so much as heard the heart beat, they wouldn't want to have an abortion. –Dr. Randall, former abortionist
Even now I feel a little peculiar about it, because as a physician I was trained to conserve life, and here I am destroying it. -Dr. Benjamin Kalish, abortionist
You have to become a bit schizophrenic. In one room, you encourage the patient that the slight irregularity in the fetal heart is not important, that she is going to have a fine, healthy baby. Then, in the next room you assure another woman, on whom you just did a saline abortion, that it is a good thing that the heartbeat is already irregular... she has nothing to worry about, she will NOT have a live baby... All of a sudden one noticed that at the time of the saline infusion there was a lot of activity in the uterus. That's not fluid currents. That's obviously the fetus being distressed by swallowing the concentrated salt solution and kicking violently and that's to all intents and purposes, the death trauma... somebody has to do it, and unfortunately we are the executioners in this instance[.] -Dr. Szenes, abortionist
Telling those women their fetuses feel pain is heaping torment upon torment. These women have real pain. They did not come to this decision easily. Creating another barrier for them to get the medical care they need is really unfair. –Abortionist Dave Turok
This is why I hate overuse of forceps – things tear. There are only two kinds of doctors who have never perforated a uterus, those that lie and those who don't do abortions. –Anonymous Abortionist
I got to where I couldn't stand to look at the little bodies anymore. -Dr. Beverly McMillan, former abortionist
I think in many ways I've been lucky to have been part of this. If I hadn't gotten involved, I would have gone through life probably being perfectly satisfied to go to the medical society parties and it would have been very, very dull. I would have been bored silly. -Dr. Jane Hodgson, late abortionist
Sorrow, quite apart from the sense of shame, is exhibited in some way by virtually every woman for whom I performed an abortion, and that's 20,000 as of 1995. The sorrow is revealed by the fact that most women cry at some point during the experience... The grieving process may last from several days to several years... Grief is sometimes delayed... The grief may lie sublimated and dormant for years. –Dr. Susan Poppema, abortionist
If I see a case...after twenty weeks, where it frankly is a child to me, I really agonize over it because the potential is so imminently there...On the other hand, I have another position, which I think is superior in the hierarchy of questions, and that is "who owns this child?" It's got to be the mother. -Dr. James MacMahon, abortionist
We know that it's killing, but the state permits killing under certain circumstances. -Dr. Neville Sender, abortionist
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 26, 2019, 10:54:25 AM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 26, 2019, 10:54:25 AM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 10:58:32 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 10:58:32 AM
There is no information posted here that will ever change my mind. I only care what I do with my body and what my offsprings do with their body. You are responsible for yours and I do not care what you do. In the same breath, I do not expect you to care about what I do. No one is judging me because I am not judging anyone because everyone is responsible for the ills in their lives. I am not a child wanting to be educated. I am set in my ways and you can post hundreds of materials I still won't change my mind. Carry on.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
As i stated, you are free to live in ignorance but your anti science beliefs shouldnt be legislated.
And women have a right to full informed consent whether you think they do or not.
You dont have to change your mind. When it becomes banned you can join the chorus of shrieking, uneducated dark agers who want to pretend their feelings and beliefs trump facts and evidence.
People believe fucked up false hoods everyday. What matters are actual facts. Thats what matters in medicine and law.
Not your philsosphy.
You dont get a green light to kill a human being because you dont feel like they are humans. Bottom line.
Defend your position with facts. Or gtfo of the discussion.
I have no respect for anyone who refuses to be educated and clings to barbaric practices that hurt people. These people shouldnt have a seat at the table. Its cowardly to ignore the reality of what you support.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Trump’s Niece on May 26, 2019, 11:02:50 AM
Post by: Trump’s Niece on May 26, 2019, 11:02:50 AM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 11:03:37 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 11:03:37 AM
Dovey!! Yay !!Quote from: "Erica Mena"ac_dance
Sup!
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 26, 2019, 11:10:38 AM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 26, 2019, 11:10:38 AM
I am the boss of me. No one tells me what to do with my body, my future, my needs. Ignorant people to me are those who have made decisions they cannot live with, allow themselves to be haunted by it, are unable to forgive themselves, and cannot move on from it. That is a shame. I hope they find peace somehow.
Feel free to help others. I do not need help. I did not seek it. I am not running for office so I seek no one's support.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Blurt on May 26, 2019, 11:18:18 AM
Post by: Blurt on May 26, 2019, 11:18:18 AM
...the chorus of shrieking, uneducated dark agers who want to pretend their feelings and beliefs trump facts and evidence.Quote from: "Dove"
People believe fucked up falsehoods every day.
I have no respect for anyone who refuses to be educated and clings to barbaric practices that hurt people. These people shouldnt have a seat at the table.
Next up, religion.
Stay tuned, folks.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 11:29:32 AM
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 11:29:32 AM
I admire women who can make decisions on their own and have the courage of their convictions. Whatever the circumstances are, if a woman chooses to either have an abortion or not, she should be able to decide for herself what she wants to do.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
I am the boss of me. No one tells me what to do with my body, my future, my needs. Ignorant people to me are those who have made decisions they cannot live with, allow themselves to be haunted by it, are unable to forgive themselves, and cannot move on from it. That is a shame. I hope they find peace somehow.
Feel free to help others. I do not need help. I did not seek it. I am not running for office so I seek no one's support.
Exactly.
Your body, your decisions.
But then you're a grown woman and are allowed those decisions. A lot of this problem centres around people not deemed adults yet. Girls who probably haven't even finished school.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 11:33:11 AM
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 11:33:11 AM
...the chorus of shrieking, uneducated dark agers who want to pretend their feelings and beliefs trump facts and evidence.Quote from: "Dove"
People believe fucked up falsehoods every day.
I have no respect for anyone who refuses to be educated and clings to barbaric practices that hurt people. These people shouldnt have a seat at the table.
Next up, religion.
Stay tuned, folks.
Maybe you could bring up an equally emotinal subject like this one in another thread...
A transgendered girl to boy appeared on The Voice auditions tonight... Boy George is now his mentor/coach.
I just wished The Voice Aus was on everywhere... it's been fantastic so far.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 11:36:36 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 11:36:36 AM
I admire women who can make decisions on their own and have the courage of their convictions. Whatever the circumstances are, if a woman chooses to either have an abortion or not, she should be able to decide for herself what she wants to do.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
Women should be able to make decisions based on evidence and facts.
The fact is, unborn human beings are living human beings.
I support and advocate for people to have the freedom of choices. Get pregnant, dont get pregnant. Use BC, double up on BC, use open or close adoption, keep the child. Get sterilized. Be abstinent.
But when it involves whether or not a woman should be allowed to legally kill another human being, that is a different discussion.
And if you are not willing to be educated on this enough to admit what an abortion is and what it does, you are not able to engage in this discussion on any level.
It is 2019, we have advanced medically to the level of knowing ALOT about life in womb, we can even perform surgery on fetal humans.
This is a major, serious, important issue and cookie cutter mottos and buzzwords are useless.
Our laws should be progressive enough to encompass the reality of hot button issues like this that impact so many people. We need to go forward using facts, data and evidence.
Not entitled opinions.
There are way too women who made this choice based on bad information and they have suffered so deeply because. Clinging to outdated nonsense HURTS women. Women who didnt make a choice, because they did not have the correct info.
Do you at least support women having full informed consent or do you think they should make YOUR choice and do what they want based on rejection of established science?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 11:39:43 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 11:39:43 AM
I admire women who can make decisions on their own and have the courage of their convictions. Whatever the circumstances are, if a woman chooses to either have an abortion or not, she should be able to decide for herself what she wants to do.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
I am the boss of me. No one tells me what to do with my body, my future, my needs. Ignorant people to me are those who have made decisions they cannot live with, allow themselves to be haunted by it, are unable to forgive themselves, and cannot move on from it. That is a shame. I hope they find peace somehow.
Feel free to help others. I do not need help. I did not seek it. I am not running for office so I seek no one's support.
Exactly.
Your body, your decisions.
But then you're a grown woman and are allowed those decisions. A lot of this problem centres around people not deemed adults yet. Girls who probably haven't even finished school.
Women dont abort their body, Cascur.
Bodily autonomy is actually very limited. You cant do whatever you want because its your body.
You cant shoot heroin legally. Cannot demand to have your organs removed. Cannot drive without a seatbelt. Cannot be drunk in public. Cannot rape. Cannot masturbate in public.
Typically your bodily autonomy is limited when it involves another human
So lets stop pretending everyone is just willing to ignore that fact that abortion is the direct, and brutal, killing of a human being and that "muh bodah!" just doesnt defend it like you think it does.
When its the womens body in a med waste bin in shreds you will have a point.
I know plenty of minors who were forced to get abortions so they could finish school. The ole "get one or we will kick you out" thing. Or like my friend who was held down on the abortion table by her own mother. Where are you advocates when that happens?
Oh yeah....yelling "Muh Bodah" over them when they publically speak about it.
Honest discussion about this is difficult for abortion advocates. Euphemism and buzz words, denial of facts and evidence is pretty much all you can get outta them.
It only serves the women who agree with you and pisses off the rest of us. And we have growing numbers for that reason.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 11:44:08 AM
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 11:44:08 AM
nice to see you.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 11:45:26 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 11:45:26 AM
Hello Dovey...Quote from: "caskur"
nice to see you.
Whats up.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on May 26, 2019, 12:13:31 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 26, 2019, 12:13:31 PM
Being a woman is the most difficult thing on the planet.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 12:18:47 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 12:18:47 PM
Well it finally happened. Odi has become a feministBeing a mother is the hardest job on the planet..Quote from: "Odinson"
Being a woman is the most difficult thing on the planet.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: cc on May 26, 2019, 12:36:18 PM
Post by: cc on May 26, 2019, 12:36:18 PM
Being a mother is the hardest job on the planet..Quote from: "Odinson":laugh:
........
Actually, the top line is the opposite of "feminist" as defined today - That's true and actual "femaleist'"
The second line, not so much. Being female or male is a tough job
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 12:50:10 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 12:50:10 PM
Bodily autonomy is actually very limited. You cant do whatever you want because its your body.Quote from: "Dove"
You cant shoot heroin legally. Cannot demand to have your organs removed. Cannot drive without a seatbelt. Cannot be drunk in public. Cannot rape. Cannot masturbate in public.
Typically your bodily autonomy is limited when it involves another human
So lets stop pretending everyone is just willing to ignore that fact that abortion is the direct, and brutal, killing of a human being and that "muh bodah!" just doesnt defend it like you think it does.
When its the womens body in a med waste bin in shreds you will have a point.
I know plenty of minors who were forced to get abortions so they could finish school. The ole "get one or we will kick you out" thing. Or like my friend who was held down on the abortion table by her own mother. Where are you advocates when that happens?
Oh yeah....yelling "Muh Bodah" over them when they publically speak about it.
Honest discussion about this is difficult for abortion advocates. Euphemism and buzz words, denial of facts and evidence is pretty much all you can get outta them.
It only serves the women who agree with you and pisses off the rest of us. And we have growing numbers for that reason.
Hi Dove I guess you were here before I got here so hello nice to meet you. Gotta say--Well done, lots of good arguments.
I am somewhat pro choice but I have a lot of sympathy for the pro-life movement and I am ashamed of many on, quote "my side " and the way they behave.
I am disgusted by the main argument that the predominantly leftist pro choice movement makes that this is all about eeeeevil men trying to take away women's rights. Its not about women, It's not about men,
Its all a giant ruse by the predominantly leftist pro choice movement to stir up anger and divide woman against men so they will win the argument with trickery instead of legitimate persuasion and get more women to pull the D lever. The left loves to divide people against each other and stir up animosity based on race, gender etc for political gain, its their favorite trick.
But jedi mind tricks only work on the weak minded, some of us know better.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 12:56:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 12:56:59 PM
Bodily autonomy is actually very limited. You cant do whatever you want because its your body.Quote from: "Dove"
You cant shoot heroin legally. Cannot demand to have your organs removed. Cannot drive without a seatbelt. Cannot be drunk in public. Cannot rape. Cannot masturbate in public.
Typically your bodily autonomy is limited when it involves another human
So lets stop pretending everyone is just willing to ignore that fact that abortion is the direct, and brutal, killing of a human being and that "muh bodah!" just doesnt defend it like you think it does.
When its the womens body in a med waste bin in shreds you will have a point.
I know plenty of minors who were forced to get abortions so they could finish school. The ole "get one or we will kick you out" thing. Or like my friend who was held down on the abortion table by her own mother. Where are you advocates when that happens?
Oh yeah....yelling "Muh Bodah" over them when they publically speak about it.
Honest discussion about this is difficult for abortion advocates. Euphemism and buzz words, denial of facts and evidence is pretty much all you can get outta them.
It only serves the women who agree with you and pisses off the rest of us. And we have growing numbers for that reason.
Hi Dove I guess you were here before I got here so hello nice to meet you. Gotta say--Well done, lots of good arguments.:thumbup:
I am somewhat pro choice but I have a lot of sympathy for the pro-life movement and I am ashamed of many on, quote "my side " and the way they behave.
I am disgusted by the main argument that the predominantly leftist pro choice movement makes that this is all about eeeeevil men trying to take away women's rights. Its not about women, It's not about men,Its about babies--and pro lifers believe the unborn child is a human being. This is a philosophical argument about when life begins. Pro life people are NOT trying to attack women, they are trying to save what they view as human lives.
Its all a giant ruse by the predominantly leftist pro choice movement to stir up anger and divide woman against men so they will win the argument with trickery instead of legitimate persuasion and get more women to pull the D lever. The left loves to divide people against each other and stir up animosity based on race, gender etc for political gain, its their favorite trick.
But jedi mind tricks only work on the weak minded, some of us know better.:wink:
They completely shit all over women who were pressured, coerced, forced to abort, shit all over the millions of pro life women by pretending none of us exist.
They dont care about how many women have been severely damaged by all thus rhetoric or by abortion itself. So long as we all shut up and take one for the "wimmenz rights" team.
Roe was decided by men, Republican men...and they exploited a homeless teenager, Norma Mcorvey to do so. She spent years trying to get her name off that decision. Abortion BENEFITS men who use and abuse women.
It is about assuming people are weak minded, easy to manipulate and unable to fact check.
Its not about womens rights. And as far as violence against women....oh man....these people arent even willing to look at how their position has inflicted REAL violence against women and psychologically castrated so many others.
Its all about entitlement.
They are losing, slowly but surely. And they will parrot all these bad arguments until that day and then wonder what happened. Not our problem.
Let them have their narratives, they help the pro life side more than they realize.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 01:02:20 PM
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 01:02:20 PM
Hello Dovey...Quote from: "caskur"
nice to see you.
Whats up.ac_hithere
Not much... just trying to organize my PC and remove unwanted images. I take far too many pictures and read the posts here and ther AND watch Sunday night TV about seriel killers... standard stuff.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 01:08:41 PM
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 01:08:41 PM
Bodily autonomy is actually very limited. You cant do whatever you want because its your body.Quote from: "Dove"
You cant shoot heroin legally. Cannot demand to have your organs removed. Cannot drive without a seatbelt. Cannot be drunk in public. Cannot rape. Cannot masturbate in public.
Typically your bodily autonomy is limited when it involves another human
So lets stop pretending everyone is just willing to ignore that fact that abortion is the direct, and brutal, killing of a human being and that "muh bodah!" just doesnt defend it like you think it does.
When its the womens body in a med waste bin in shreds you will have a point.
I know plenty of minors who were forced to get abortions so they could finish school. The ole "get one or we will kick you out" thing. Or like my friend who was held down on the abortion table by her own mother. Where are you advocates when that happens?
Oh yeah....yelling "Muh Bodah" over them when they publically speak about it.
Honest discussion about this is difficult for abortion advocates. Euphemism and buzz words, denial of facts and evidence is pretty much all you can get outta them.
It only serves the women who agree with you and pisses off the rest of us. And we have growing numbers for that reason.
Hi Dove I guess you were here before I got here so hello nice to meet you. Gotta say--Well done, lots of good arguments.:thumbup:
I am somewhat pro choice but I have a lot of sympathy for the pro-life movement and I am ashamed of many on, quote "my side " and the way they behave.
I am disgusted by the main argument that the predominantly leftist pro choice movement makes that this is all about eeeeevil men trying to take away women's rights. Its not about women, It's not about men,Its about babies--and pro lifers believe the unborn child is a human being. This is a philosophical argument about when life begins. Pro life people are NOT trying to attack women, they are trying to save what they view as human lives.
Its all a giant ruse by the predominantly leftist pro choice movement to stir up anger and divide woman against men so they will win the argument with trickery instead of legitimate persuasion and get more women to pull the D lever. The left loves to divide people against each other and stir up animosity based on race, gender etc for political gain, its their favorite trick.
But jedi mind tricks only work on the weak minded, some of us know better.:wink:
They completely shit all over women who were pressured, coerced, forced to abort, shit all over the millions of pro life women by pretending none of us exist.
They dont care about how many women have been severely damaged by all thus rhetoric or by abortion itself. So long as we all shut up and take one for the "wimmenz rights" team.
Roe was decided by men, Republican men...and they exploited a homeless teenager, Norma Mcorvey to do so. She spent years trying to get her name off that decision. Abortion BENEFITS men who use and abuse women.
It is about assuming people are weak minded, easy to manipulate and unable to fact check.
Its not about womens rights. And as far as violence against women....oh man....these people arent even willing to look at how their position has inflicted REAL violence against women and psychologically castrated so many others.
Its all about entitlement.
They are losing, slowly but surely. And they will parrot all these bad arguments until that day and then wonder what happened. Not our problem.
Let them have their narratives, they help the pro life side more than they realize.
If you take away abortion of embryos you will increase other WORSE things... infantcide, murder of pregnant woman, day old babies being left on church doorsteps....illegal abortions which might turn septic in victims... and 40 million extra Americans you're struggling to house and feed now.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 01:09:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 01:09:29 PM
Hello Dovey...Quote from: "caskur"
nice to see you.
Whats up.ac_hithere
Not much... just trying to organize my PC and remove unwanted images. I take far too many pictures and read the posts here and ther AND watch Sunday night TV about seriel killers... standard stuff.
I promised myself i would never use my laptop....that i used for work and school....for any boards.
That worked well when i wasnt even on them for a long time.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 01:12:12 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 01:12:12 PM
Well I was joking of course.Being a mother is the hardest job on the planet..Quote from: "Odinson":laugh:
........
Actually, the top line is the opposite of "feminist" as defined today - That's true and actual "femaleist'"
The second line, not so much. Being female or male is a tough job
But yeah I remember Hillary when she said "I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies," as if being a mother taking care of children is somehow not being a real woman. Being a good parent is probably the most important job anyone can do.
and all in all if I had to pick which gender has it tougher/better I don't think I could choose, both genders present some different challenges but all in all, it probably comes out fairly equal.
Most of what is called feminism today is about victim status and manhating--and most women have no interest in that--they don't want to hate their fathers, brothers, husbands, sons, boyfriends, male friends etc
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 01:13:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 01:13:47 PM
Bodily autonomy is actually very limited. You cant do whatever you want because its your body.Quote from: "Dove"
You cant shoot heroin legally. Cannot demand to have your organs removed. Cannot drive without a seatbelt. Cannot be drunk in public. Cannot rape. Cannot masturbate in public.
Typically your bodily autonomy is limited when it involves another human
So lets stop pretending everyone is just willing to ignore that fact that abortion is the direct, and brutal, killing of a human being and that "muh bodah!" just doesnt defend it like you think it does.
When its the womens body in a med waste bin in shreds you will have a point.
I know plenty of minors who were forced to get abortions so they could finish school. The ole "get one or we will kick you out" thing. Or like my friend who was held down on the abortion table by her own mother. Where are you advocates when that happens?
Oh yeah....yelling "Muh Bodah" over them when they publically speak about it.
Honest discussion about this is difficult for abortion advocates. Euphemism and buzz words, denial of facts and evidence is pretty much all you can get outta them.
It only serves the women who agree with you and pisses off the rest of us. And we have growing numbers for that reason.
Hi Dove I guess you were here before I got here so hello nice to meet you. Gotta say--Well done, lots of good arguments.:thumbup:
I am somewhat pro choice but I have a lot of sympathy for the pro-life movement and I am ashamed of many on, quote "my side " and the way they behave.
I am disgusted by the main argument that the predominantly leftist pro choice movement makes that this is all about eeeeevil men trying to take away women's rights. Its not about women, It's not about men,Its about babies--and pro lifers believe the unborn child is a human being. This is a philosophical argument about when life begins. Pro life people are NOT trying to attack women, they are trying to save what they view as human lives.
Its all a giant ruse by the predominantly leftist pro choice movement to stir up anger and divide woman against men so they will win the argument with trickery instead of legitimate persuasion and get more women to pull the D lever. The left loves to divide people against each other and stir up animosity based on race, gender etc for political gain, its their favorite trick.
But jedi mind tricks only work on the weak minded, some of us know better.:wink:
They completely shit all over women who were pressured, coerced, forced to abort, shit all over the millions of pro life women by pretending none of us exist.
They dont care about how many women have been severely damaged by all thus rhetoric or by abortion itself. So long as we all shut up and take one for the "wimmenz rights" team.
Roe was decided by men, Republican men...and they exploited a homeless teenager, Norma Mcorvey to do so. She spent years trying to get her name off that decision. Abortion BENEFITS men who use and abuse women.
It is about assuming people are weak minded, easy to manipulate and unable to fact check.
Its not about womens rights. And as far as violence against women....oh man....these people arent even willing to look at how their position has inflicted REAL violence against women and psychologically castrated so many others.
Its all about entitlement.
They are losing, slowly but surely. And they will parrot all these bad arguments until that day and then wonder what happened. Not our problem.
Let them have their narratives, they help the pro life side more than they realize.
If you take away abortion of embryos you will increase other WORSE things... infantcide, murder of pregnant woman, day old babies being left on church doorsteps....illegal abortions which might turn septic in victims... and 40 million extra Americans you're struggling to house and feed now.
Nope.
Firstly, according to stats, women are not aborting humans in the embryonic stage. They are abortion humans in the fetal stage.
Child abuse, infantcide, murder of pregnant women has increased since legal abortion. There are plenty of women forced to abort, or are the victims of violence BECAUSE they refused to abort.
Illegal abortion is associated with lower rates of unwanted pregnancy
Last year, there were MORE couples waiting to adopt than babies aborted.
My mother didnt want me. My life is no less valuable than yours.
Im not concerned about the safety of people who are attempting to kill other humans. We are not making slavery legal so it is safer for traffickers. But since you brought it up, there are more deaths from abortion complications now than there were when it was illegal.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 01:28:37 PM
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 01:28:37 PM
I don't believe in adopting children out... to me it is child trafficking.. Children from poor people are trafficked. I subscribe to open adoptions where a child can know it's real parents from the start.
All this sadness can be prevented if people got/get smarter and educating 11-12 year olds.
We don't do foetal abortions in Australia and if they are done, it isn't in the same method as is done in the USA.
I completely support the rights of women to abort an embryo up until 12 weeks.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Blurt on May 26, 2019, 01:30:04 PM
Post by: Blurt on May 26, 2019, 01:30:04 PM
But since you brought it up, there are more deaths from abortion complications now than there were when it was illegal.Quote from: "Dove"
Source?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 26, 2019, 01:32:02 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 26, 2019, 01:32:02 PM
I am not man-hating. If they are married or in a serious relationship, a man and woman should decide together. Let's face it, not all men and women are responsible like that. To many, they just like "getting laid" and do not think ahead about the consequences.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 26, 2019, 01:32:21 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 26, 2019, 01:32:21 PM
These abortion issues are not new to me. A spring chicken I am not. I am for all females and males to be educated about conception, sex, sexually transmitted infections, pro or anti-abortion issues, family planning the moment they have consciousness. Sadly, not all are educated by their elders properly. Due to this, it should be taught in schools. Every girl should know what possible situations she could face as an ovulating female and have the freedom to make her own decisions. More importantly, she should live with the decisions she makes whether she has an abortion, give up the child for adoption, or raise the child. I do not agree with people who blame society for their decisions. It is not my problem the condition of their souls or their morality. I have problems of my own to attend to.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 01:34:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 01:34:57 PM
But since you brought it up, there are more deaths from abortion complications now than there were when it was illegal.Quote from: "Dove"
Source?
AGI, CDC, multiple cases of abortion providers failing to provide reasonable emergency transfer as to not give "antis" more ammo.
Women pushed in cars and on sidewalks hemorrhaging.
Several court docs of abortionists malpractice lawsuits
You are at risk of cervical lacerations, uterine perforation, bowel perforation, post surg infections and pneumonia. 3 times higher a risk of suicide, complicated pathological grief and depression. Hi. We have a high maternal mortality rate.
The number of deaths from illegal abortions was heavily exaggerated, and thats been addressed. Hold on, ill get the sources, i have to charge my laptop.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 01:37:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 01:37:14 PM
I saw men in court rooms being passionate about banning abortion and that rubbed me the wrong way so I started this thread. I wanted to see women up there too being passionate about both, pro-life and pro-choice. Where are they? After all, it is their bodies that are affected most of all. I am not your Abortion Representative to No One so I am not here to promote or refute your views. This is just a thread about a topic.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
I am not man-hating. If they are married or in a serious relationship, a man and woman should decide together. Let's face it, not all men and women are responsible like that. To many, they just like "getting laid" and do not think ahead about the consequences.
Who signed the bill in AL? It wasnt a man.
Did it rub you wrong when 9 men decided Roe and Norma went into how she just showed up for food?
Does it rub you wrong when women are forced or pressured or coerced by men into abortion?
Does it rub you wrong when abortion providers fail to report rape? Enable trafficking?
Or just when men defend life in the womb?
You really think people are just entitled to sex and should be able to kill tiny humans?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 01:39:03 PM
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 01:39:03 PM
Up to 12 weeks of pregnancy the most common surgical abortion technique is called 'suction aspiration'. The cervix is first dilated with a series of rods of increasing size. A tube is then inserted into the uterus through the cervix and suction is used to remove the foetus and the placenta from the uterus. Another instrument called a curette is then inserted to scrape the walls of the uterus to make sure nothing is left inside. This procedure generally takes less than 15 minutes to complete.
After 12 weeks of pregnancy a different procedure is used as the foetus is more developed and it is more difficult to remove using the suction method. There are a couple of different methods, but both involve the need to soften and widen the cervix more than in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. Hormone blocking drugs may be given by mouth or inserted into the vagina to soften the cervix. Alternatively, the cervix may be widened using rods and a product inserted into the cervix. This product will slowly swell over several hours until the cervix is wide enough to allow the abortion to proceed. The abortion procedure itself is usually performed a day or 2 later.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 01:40:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 01:40:20 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 01:42:34 PM
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 01:42:34 PM
Although men are usually involved in conception, it is the woman's body that will be undergoing dramatic changes in nine months and thereafter. Some pregnancies cause complications that tragically end a woman's life and her unborn child. Pregnancy is not a picnic. It is a dangerous time in a woman's life.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
These abortion issues are not new to me. A spring chicken I am not. I am for all females and males to be educated about conception, sex, sexually transmitted infections, pro or anti-abortion issues, family planning the moment they have consciousness. Sadly, not all are educated by their elders properly. Due to this, it should be taught in schools. Every girl should know what possible situations she could face as an ovulating female and have the freedom to make her own decisions. More importantly, she should live with the decisions she makes whether she has an abortion, give up the child for adoption, or raise the child. I do not agree with people who blame society for their decisions. It is not my problem the condition of their souls or their morality. I have problems of my own to attend to.
Good post.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 26, 2019, 01:44:56 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 26, 2019, 01:44:56 PM
Although men are usually involved in conception, it is the woman's body that will be undergoing dramatic changes in nine months and thereafter. Some pregnancies cause complications that tragically end a woman's life and her unborn child. Pregnancy is not a picnic. It is a dangerous time in a woman's life.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
These abortion issues are not new to me. A spring chicken I am not. I am for all females and males to be educated about conception, sex, sexually transmitted infections, pro or anti-abortion issues, family planning the moment they have consciousness. Sadly, not all are educated by their elders properly. Due to this, it should be taught in schools. Every girl should know what possible situations she could face as an ovulating female and have the freedom to make her own decisions. More importantly, she should live with the decisions she makes whether she has an abortion, give up the child for adoption, or raise the child. I do not agree with people who blame society for their decisions. It is not my problem the condition of their souls or their morality. I have problems of my own to attend to.
Good post.:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Well, thanks, caskur. On that note, I have to get some things done here with my own problems at hand. Have at it, y'all.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 01:48:05 PM
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 01:48:05 PM
A human being enters the fetal stage at 8 weeks.Quote from: "Dove"
Well that's a change from the old days then... It was 12 weeks formerly.
My Christian mother-in-law who is a midwife said it best because it was the most level headed statement I ever heard. ( And this topic is very emotional) she said, "every embryo is a life but not every embryo is a potential for life," as many have sadly discovered.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 01:49:53 PM
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 01:49:53 PM
She's at the end of her life at 87.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 26, 2019, 02:53:27 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 26, 2019, 02:53:27 PM
You chose to give up your body to host another living being when you willingly engaged in an activity that would result in that child being inside you in the first place
Now you expect men to sit down and shut up when you design to commit murder on a whim. And 23 MEN from Alabama basically said our prisions your choice So go ahead and choose
Good for them. About fucking time
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 03:02:23 PM
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 03:02:23 PM
The whole my body my choice argument is nothing but self entitlement bullshitQuote from: "ThugLife"
You chose to give up your body to host another living being when you willingly engaged in an activity that would result in that child being inside you in the first place
Now you expect men to sit down and shut up when you design to commit murder on a whim. And 23 MEN from Alabama basically said our prisions your choice So go ahead and choose
Good for them. About fucking time
The pill can fail, especially in the case of gastro illnesses
condoms fail at a rate of 15%
there is no willingness to connect about rape or incest
gross birth defects are beyond anyone.
Of course you should sit down and shut-up dopey... doh!~
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 03:04:35 PM
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 03:04:35 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 03:07:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 03:07:03 PM
A human being enters the fetal stage at 8 weeks.Quote from: "Dove"
Dove, you are hot. Come sit on old Herman's lap and drink some barrel wash.
That's quite an attravtive offer Herman, but something tells me Dove will say no.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on May 26, 2019, 03:08:43 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 26, 2019, 03:08:43 PM
Men who practice unsafe sex should be fined and/or jailed.Quote from: "caskur"
A woman once told me that wearing a condom is like eating a candy with the wrapper on..
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 03:09:27 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 03:09:27 PM
I've heard some people say a condom is like taking a shower with your socks on.Men who practice unsafe sex should be fined and/or jailed.Quote from: "caskur"
A woman once told me that wearing a condom is like eating a candy with the wrapper on..
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 03:11:34 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 03:11:34 PM
Some pregnancies cause complications that tragically end a woman's life and her unborn child. Pregnancy is not a picnic. It is a dangerous time in a woman's life.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
A healthy woman in a western country has less chance of dying from pregnancy and/or giving birth than dying in 3 months of driving a car.
Having an abortion because the mothers life
Also there is risk to abortion too--Much of the same risk of other medical procedures exists-- like infection from bacteria entering the body.-
I looked for some reliable statistics that would compare pregnancy related deaths vs abortion related deaths, but couldn't find them--maybe Dove knows of some.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 26, 2019, 03:17:22 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 26, 2019, 03:17:22 PM
Alabama. Your choice, my prison. Adjust or GTFO. end of.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 03:39:54 PM
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 03:39:54 PM
Men who practice unsafe sex should be fined and/or jailed.Quote from: "caskur"
A woman once told me that wearing a condom is like eating a candy with the wrapper on..
Better than swallowing 60 pills a day to stop your AIDS advancing, Deceitful One.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 03:41:48 PM
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 03:41:48 PM
All that danger to the mother stuff is a piss poor excuse to justify murder. And for no other reason that most of these women get off on the fact that they can dictate life and death on a whim. That, and in many instances they are too fucking selfish to live with their own choicesQuote from: "ThugLife"
Alabama. Your choice, my prison. Adjust or GTFO. end of.
Keep your Roseries off their Ovaries....
The law in Alabama will be reversed.... deal with it.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 03:43:58 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 03:43:58 PM
All that danger to the mother stuff is a piss poor excuse to justify murder. And for no other reason that most of these women get off on the fact that they can dictate life and death on a whim. That, and in many instances they are too fucking selfish to live with their own choicesQuote from: "ThugLife"
Alabama. Your choice, my prison. Adjust or GTFO. end of.
Did Alabama actually criminalize abortion?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 03:48:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 03:48:28 PM
A human being enters the fetal stage at 8 weeks.Quote from: "Dove"
Dove, you are hot. Come sit on old Herman's lap and drink some barrel wash.
Careful Hoimin. You gonna scare her away again an' she gonna fly away like a dove.
Tharz a shortage of real females who post in this forum, y'know.
Don' wanna chase 'em all away.
You keep saying that, but there's Azhya, Shen, Velvet, Priscilla, cc, and Berry..
How many women post at the other forums you post on?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Zetsu on May 26, 2019, 04:10:21 PM
Post by: Zetsu on May 26, 2019, 04:10:21 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on May 26, 2019, 04:14:40 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 26, 2019, 04:14:40 PM
Men who practice unsafe sex should be fined and/or jailed.Quote from: "caskur"
A woman once told me that wearing a condom is like eating a candy with the wrapper on..
Better than swallowing 60 pills a day to stop your AIDS advancing, Deceitful One.
Just dont be a liberal cuckold and choose clean women..
Requirements..
- No tattooes.
- 0 - 2 previous sexual partners.
- Those sexual partners better be from non-3rd world countries.
- Being "well travelled" world citizen is not a good thing with females.
Be racist... Avoid AIDS..
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 04:16:43 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 04:16:43 PM
No they may have put in criminal penalties for those who illegally perform an abortion. But no, no criminal penalties of any kind for women getting an illegal abortion.All that danger to the mother stuff is a piss poor excuse to justify murder. And for no other reason that most of these women get off on the fact that they can dictate life and death on a whim. That, and in many instances they are too fucking selfish to live with their own choicesQuote from: "ThugLife"
Alabama. Your choice, my prison. Adjust or GTFO. end of.
Did Alabama actually criminalize abortion?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on May 26, 2019, 04:20:39 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 26, 2019, 04:20:39 PM
You think that us guys cant tell the difference between a mint mercedes benz and a rusted, busted siberian mercedes..
Only liberal cucks cant tell the difference.. They dont know anything about cars.
Owned by grandma previously... Been maintained regularly..
But the dog ate the papers.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 04:24:59 PM
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 04:24:59 PM
Mothers or just anyone that don't see what's wrong having their offspring pulled out violently with a probe jammed to the head of the baby should deserve the same fate. And no one cares about this my body, my choice BS, instead take responsibility people, prevention or simply don't have sex.Quote from: "Zetsu"
Don't have sexual intercourse you mean.
You can still have oral sex without causing a pregnancy.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 04:25:52 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 04:25:52 PM
Keep your Roseries off their Ovaries....Quote from: "caskur"
Yay another bumper sticker slogan the mindless to parrot
Not likely. The supreme court will either decline to take the case-- which will allow the law to stand. OR they will take the case, and probably overturn Roe V Wade, which will also leave the Alabama law in place.The law in Alabama will be reversed.... deal with it.Quote from: "caskur"
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Zetsu on May 26, 2019, 04:27:40 PM
Post by: Zetsu on May 26, 2019, 04:27:40 PM
Mothers or just anyone that don't see what's wrong having their offspring pulled out violently with a probe jammed to the head of the baby should deserve the same fate. And no one cares about this my body, my choice BS, instead take responsibility people, prevention or simply don't have sex.Quote from: "Zetsu"
Don't have sexual intercourse you mean.
You can still have oral sex without causing a pregnancy.
Of course, either just have oral or anal sex and fixes most of the problem.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 04:29:50 PM
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 04:29:50 PM
All that danger to the mother stuff is a piss poor excuse to justify murder. And for no other reason that most of these women get off on the fact that they can dictate life and death on a whim. That, and in many instances they are too fucking selfish to live with their own choicesQuote from: "ThugLife"
Alabama. Your choice, my prison. Adjust or GTFO. end of.
Did Alabama actually criminalize abortion?
I don't know or really care.. Those ones seeking abortion in Alabama can just go to another state..
Ones that cannot afford to do that will just bury the babies in backyards like they used to do.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 04:32:30 PM
Post by: caskur on May 26, 2019, 04:32:30 PM
Mothers or just anyone that don't see what's wrong having their offspring pulled out violently with a probe jammed to the head of the baby should deserve the same fate. And no one cares about this my body, my choice BS, instead take responsibility people, prevention or simply don't have sex.Quote from: "Zetsu"
Don't have sexual intercourse you mean.
You can still have oral sex without causing a pregnancy.
Of course, either just have oral or anal sex and fixes most of the problem.
Anal sex will cause serious health problems down the line...
You should just use one of your dirty socks so your mum doesn't find out...
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 04:33:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 04:33:13 PM
All that danger to the mother stuff is a piss poor excuse to justify murder. And for no other reason that most of these women get off on the fact that they can dictate life and death on a whim. That, and in many instances they are too fucking selfish to live with their own choicesQuote from: "ThugLife"
Alabama. Your choice, my prison. Adjust or GTFO. end of.
Did Alabama actually criminalize abortion?
Under what circumstances can abortions be legally carried out in Alabama?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on May 26, 2019, 04:35:24 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 26, 2019, 04:35:24 PM
Mothers or just anyone that don't see what's wrong having their offspring pulled out violently with a probe jammed to the head of the baby should deserve the same fate. And no one cares about this my body, my choice BS, instead take responsibility people, prevention or simply don't have sex.Quote from: "Zetsu"
Don't have sexual intercourse you mean.
You can still have oral sex without causing a pregnancy.
Of course, either just have oral or anal sex and fixes most of the problem.
Anal sex will cause serious health problems down the line...
You should just use one of your dirty socks so your mum doesn't find out...:roll:
Its up to you if you wanna have anal sex..
The medical problems are not our problem.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 26, 2019, 05:17:01 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 26, 2019, 05:17:01 PM
read the statue. If they leave the state and come back they face criminal chargesAll that danger to the mother stuff is a piss poor excuse to justify murder. And for no other reason that most of these women get off on the fact that they can dictate life and death on a whim. That, and in many instances they are too fucking selfish to live with their own choicesQuote from: "ThugLife"
Alabama. Your choice, my prison. Adjust or GTFO. end of.
Did Alabama actually criminalize abortion?
I don't know or really care.. Those ones seeking abortion in Alabama can just go to another state..
Ones that cannot afford to do that will just bury the babies in backyards like they used to do.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 05:59:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 05:59:08 PM
Keep your Roseries off their Ovaries....Quote from: "caskur"
Yay another bumper sticker slogan the mindless to parrot:001_rolleyes: Not likely. The supreme court will either decline to take the case-- which will allow the law to stand. OR they will take the case, and probably overturn Roe V Wade, which will also leave the Alabama law in place.The law in Alabama will be reversed.... deal with it.Quote from: "caskur"
I don't believe the baby killers want a supreme court challenge either.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 06:41:28 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 06:41:28 PM
Planned Parenthood and the ACLU are suing to have the Alabama law overturned, but I don't think it will work. I don't think the court will take the case, and if they do they may well over turn Roe V Wade, but dunno.Keep your Roseries off their Ovaries....Quote from: "caskur"
Yay another bumper sticker slogan the mindless to parrot:001_rolleyes: Not likely. The supreme court will either decline to take the case-- which will allow the law to stand. OR they will take the case, and probably overturn Roe V Wade, which will also leave the Alabama law in place.The law in Alabama will be reversed.... deal with it.Quote from: "caskur"
I don't believe the baby killers want a supreme court challenge either.
If they do take it, There will be, of course, immense pressure not to overturn Roe V Wade. The media and left (same thing) are going to do all sorts of fearmongering (with implied threats) if it ends up in court , and even more so if its overturned. Get ready for them to howl like its the apocalypse if and when it happens.
"they're talking away wimmenz rights, its da handmaids tale come to life, gaaaah!"
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 06:47:12 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 06:47:12 PM
Did Alabama actually criminalize abortion?
This is a synopsis of the statute (and the entire text)
Alabama lawmakers have passed a bill that wouldQuotemake it a felony for doctors to perform or attempt to perform an abortionin the state. The controversial bill contains no exceptions for victims of rape or incest but does allow for abortions in cases where the mother's life is at risk.
This bill would make abortion and attempted abortion felony offenses except in cases where abortion is necessary in order to prevent a serious health risk to the unborn child's mother.
This bill would provide thata woman who receives an abortion will not be held criminally culpable or civilly liable for receiving the abortion.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 26, 2019, 07:02:55 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 26, 2019, 07:02:55 PM
Keep your Roseries off their Ovaries....Quote from: "caskur"
Yay another bumper sticker slogan the mindless to parrot:001_rolleyes: Not likely. The supreme court will either decline to take the case-- which will allow the law to stand. OR they will take the case, and probably overturn Roe V Wade, which will also leave the Alabama law in place.The law in Alabama will be reversed.... deal with it.Quote from: "caskur"
I don't believe the baby killers want a supreme court challenge either.
If they do take it, There will be, of course, immense pressure not to overturn Roe V Wade. The media and left (same thing) are going to do all sorts of fearmongering (with implied threats) if it ends up in court , and even more so if its overturned. Get ready for them to howl like its the apocalypse if and when it happens.
"they're talking away wimmenz rights, its da handmaids tale come to life, gaaaah!"
The ""right"" to murder Innocent babies no less
Is that not something women should be ashamed to fight for?
Makes you begin to wonder if the towels heads have the right idea when it comes to womens rights. Sadly
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 07:26:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2019, 07:26:47 PM
Did Alabama actually criminalize abortion?
This is a synopsis of the statute (and the entire text)https://www.al.com/news/2019/05/alabama-abortion-ban-passes-read-the-bill.html [size=150]Synopsis[/size] Alabama lawmakers have passed a bill that wouldQuotemake it a felony for doctors to perform or attempt to perform an abortionin the state. The controversial bill contains no exceptions for victims of rape or incest but does allow for abortions in cases where the mother's life is at risk.
This bill would make abortion and attempted abortion felony offenses except in cases where abortion is necessary in order to prevent a serious health risk to the unborn child's mother.
This bill would provide thata woman who receives an abortion will not be held criminally culpable or civilly liable for receiving the abortion.
Thank you Wazzzup.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on May 26, 2019, 08:27:55 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 26, 2019, 08:27:55 PM
Mothers or just anyone that don't see what's wrong having their offspring pulled out violently with a probe jammed to the head of the baby should deserve the same fate. And it's not about this my body, my choice issue, instead take responsibility people, prevention or simply don't have sex.Quote from: "Zetsu"
The abortion baby usually looks like a baby..
And the doctor severs the baby´s limbs.. Takes the baby out in pieces..
Crushes the baby´s skull before taking it out.
And these same pro-choice people are talking about how cruel it is to kill cows for meat.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 26, 2019, 08:37:28 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 26, 2019, 08:37:28 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 08:40:27 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 26, 2019, 08:40:27 PM
Absolutely right Odi. They are very hypocritical.Mothers or just anyone that don't see what's wrong having their offspring pulled out violently with a probe jammed to the head of the baby should deserve the same fate. And it's not about this my body, my choice issue, instead take responsibility people, prevention or simply don't have sex.Quote from: "Zetsu"
The abortion baby usually looks like a baby..
And the doctor severs the baby´s limbs.. Takes the baby out in pieces..
Crushes the baby´s skull before taking it out.
And these same pro-choice people are talking about how cruel it is to kill cows for meat.
They also often try to censor information about how gruesome the process really is. Because hey want everyone to focus only on the shiny object "woman's rights" and ignore the horrible torture like death that often happens to the child.
There's a movie in the US called "Unplanned' its about a woman who worked at Planned Parenthood who was pro choice, but changed her mind when she saw up close what an abortion really is and she became pro life because of it.
This movie was effectively banned in Canada--
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 26, 2019, 08:50:11 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 26, 2019, 08:50:11 PM
Some pregnancies cause complications that tragically end a woman's life and her unborn child. Pregnancy is not a picnic. It is a dangerous time in a woman's life.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
A healthy woman in a western country has less chance of dying from pregnancy and/or giving birth than dying in 3 months of driving a car.
Having an abortion because the mothers lifespecificallydepends on it is one thing--having one to generallyprotect ones life makes about as much sense as protecting ones mortality by refusing to fly on airplanes.
Also there is risk to abortion too--Much of the same risk of other medical procedures exists-- like infection from bacteria entering the body.-
I looked for some reliable statistics that would compare pregnancy related deaths vs abortion related deaths, but couldn't find them--maybe Dove knows of some.
This is not new. Of course. I'm just citing pregnancy is not a picnic. Every pregnancy is different. A blessing for those wanting to get pregnant but not so great for those who do not want it. Again, as I said, the two people involved should be responsible before engaging in the activity that could lead to conception.
It's not as easy as black and white. Consider the woman who has had 5 children and her doctor has warned her that her last few stressful pregnancies have almost cost her her life in the past and that he does not recommend her to get pregnant again or it could be the end of her. So, she follows his advice and agrees to have an IUD. The doctor guarantees her that she should not get pregnant on her IUD. Boom. She gets pregnant. Oh the stories go on and on and vary tremendously. Anyway, I have said my piece on this matter. Everyone is entitled to their own views.
It goes without saying that any medical procedure could result in complications. If you go to a quack doctor for an abortion, you can expect to have issues. Prevention of pregnancy if it is not wanted should be the most important thing to consider over all. Educate all early on.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Blurt on May 27, 2019, 08:27:23 AM
Post by: Blurt on May 27, 2019, 08:27:23 AM
The claim certainly
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 08:33:37 AM
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 08:33:37 AM
Some pregnancies cause complications that tragically end a woman's life and her unborn child. Pregnancy is not a picnic. It is a dangerous time in a woman's life.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
A healthy woman in a western country has less chance of dying from pregnancy and/or giving birth than dying in 3 months of driving a car.
Having an abortion because the mothers lifespecificallydepends on it is one thing--having one to generallyprotect ones life makes about as much sense as protecting ones mortality by refusing to fly on airplanes.
Also there is risk to abortion too--Much of the same risk of other medical procedures exists-- like infection from bacteria entering the body.-
I looked for some reliable statistics that would compare pregnancy related deaths vs abortion related deaths, but couldn't find them--maybe Dove knows of some.
This is not new. Of course. I'm just citing pregnancy is not a picnic. Every pregnancy is different. A blessing for those wanting to get pregnant but not so great for those who do not want it. Again, as I said, the two people involved should be responsible before engaging in the activity that could lead to conception.
It's not as easy as black and white. Consider the woman who has had 5 children and her doctor has warned her that her last few stressful pregnancies have almost cost her her life in the past and that he does not recommend her to get pregnant again or it could be the end of her. So, she follows his advice and agrees to have an IUD. The doctor guarantees her that she should not get pregnant on her IUD. Boom. She gets pregnant. Oh the stories go on and on and vary tremendously. Anyway, I have said my piece on this matter. Everyone is entitled to their own views.
It goes without saying that any medical procedure could result in complications. If you go to a quack doctor for an abortion, you can expect to have issues. Prevention of pregnancy if it is not wanted should be the most important thing to consider over all. Educate all early on.
^^^ And this post is exactly why the clueless shouldn't have a vote at all.
Blame TV shows out of America claiming everyone wants children and every pregnancy and baby are welcomed and everybody lives happily ever after.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 27, 2019, 08:50:19 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 27, 2019, 08:50:19 AM
Good post Azhya. The scenario you put up is a very compelling case for the pro choice side. I'm sure things like that happen, I don't think its very often (maybe 5% or less-- just a guess though, dunno for sure) BUT to a person in a very difficult situation like that its not a statistic, its everything to them.Some pregnancies cause complications that tragically end a woman's life and her unborn child. Pregnancy is not a picnic. It is a dangerous time in a woman's life.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
A healthy woman in a western country has less chance of dying from pregnancy and/or giving birth than dying in 3 months of driving a car.
Having an abortion because the mothers lifespecificallydepends on it is one thing--having one to generallyprotect ones life makes about as much sense as protecting ones mortality by refusing to fly on airplanes.
Also there is risk to abortion too--Much of the same risk of other medical procedures exists-- like infection from bacteria entering the body.-
I looked for some reliable statistics that would compare pregnancy related deaths vs abortion related deaths, but couldn't find them--maybe Dove knows of some.
This is not new. Of course. I'm just citing pregnancy is not a picnic. Every pregnancy is different. A blessing for those wanting to get pregnant but not so great for those who do not want it. Again, as I said, the two people involved should be responsible before engaging in the activity that could lead to conception.It's not as easy as black and white. Consider the woman who has had 5 children and her doctor has warned her that her last few stressful pregnancies have almost cost her her life in the past and that he does not recommend her to get pregnant again or it could be the end of her. So, she follows his advice and agrees to have an IUD. The doctor guarantees her that she should not get pregnant on her IUD. Boom. She gets pregnant.Oh the stories go on and on and vary tremendously. Anyway, I have said my piece on this matter. Everyone is entitled to their own views.
It goes without saying that any medical procedure could result in complications. If you go to a quack doctor for an abortion, you can expect to have issues. Prevention of pregnancy if it is not wanted should be the most important thing to consider over all. Educate all early on.
This one of the reasons why I believe as a nation we should compromise--make it that someone can abort within the 1st trimester, possibly the second. But absolutely no third trimester abortions unless the mother's life is truly in jeopardy.
Unfortunately some democrats in east coast states threw down the gauntlet making abortion legal all the way up to 1 minute before birth. Naturally the pro life side got angry at this in-your-face move and fought back.
So I guess we'll see where it goes from here. It may not be pleasant, but it will be interesting.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 08:55:43 AM
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 08:55:43 AM
Still waiting for Dove to provide a source for her claim that there are more abortion-related deaths now than when the procedure was illegal.Quote from: "Blurt"
The claim certainlyfeelscounter-factual.
Abortion has been legal in Australia for over 40 years. I've never heard of a single death yet.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 10:07:46 AM
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 10:07:46 AM
Keep your Roseries off their Ovaries....Quote from: "caskur"
Yay another bumper sticker slogan the mindless to parrot:001_rolleyes: Not likely. The supreme court will either decline to take the case-- which will allow the law to stand. OR they will take the case, and probably overturn Roe V Wade, which will also leave the Alabama law in place.The law in Alabama will be reversed.... deal with it.Quote from: "caskur"
I don't believe the baby killers want a supreme court challenge either.
I can't believe abortions are carried out after the first trimester. Who does that?
Anyway, I think this rubbish fought in courts is just another way courts and lawyers scam money.
No one cares what their next door neighbor is doing with their hidden bits in their bedrooms at night but we're all supposed to care about strangers we don't know, wombs?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 10:13:27 AM
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 10:13:27 AM
a woman who receives an abortion will not be held criminally culpable or civilly liable for receiving the abortion.
Great girls... you cannot have a medical expert help so you can go back to drinking a bottle of gin in a hot bath and whack a rusty coathanger up your hidden bits.
Let's party.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 27, 2019, 10:16:02 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 27, 2019, 10:16:02 AM
Abortion has been legal in Australia for over 40 years. I've never heard of a single death yet.Quote from: "caskur"
You probably haven't heard about people dying from surgery either, but it happens all the time--The overall chance of dying within two months of surgery is one in 28 (3.6 per cent)
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 10:21:35 AM
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 10:21:35 AM
Abortion has been legal in Australia for over 40 years. I've never heard of a single death yet.Quote from: "caskur"
You probably haven't heard about people dying from surgery either, but it happens all the time--The overall chance of dying within two months of surgery is one in 28 (3.6 per cent)
Maybe on your backward continent.
There isn't "surgery" with Australian abortions, dopey.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 27, 2019, 11:26:09 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 27, 2019, 11:26:09 AM
Care to back that up with a link or some other proof? Or are you just talking out of your big fat ass again?Abortion has been legal in Australia for over 40 years. I've never heard of a single death yet.Quote from: "caskur"
You probably haven't heard about people dying from surgery either, but it happens all the time--The overall chance of dying within two months of surgery is one in 28 (3.6 per cent)
Maybe on your backward continent.There isn't "surgery" with Australian abortions, dopey.
Oh wait, look at this from an Australian government run site--
[size=150]Abortion is a common type ofsurgeryin Australia.... [/size]
...all surgery carries some risk. Complications occur in around three per cent of surgical abortion cases.
Well how about that caskur you
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 11:42:12 AM
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 11:42:12 AM
Well how about that caskur youweretalking out of your ass again. No surprise there though.
Deceitful One hit wonder. 4 choices are given for the procedure.
From Aus Government site!
nitrous oxide gas – or a similar gas. This puts you in a state of 'twilight sleep'. You are awake, but sedated and calm
local anaesthetic – anaesthetic is injected into your cervix to make the area numb, so that you don't feel anything during the operation (this is known as a paracervical block)
local anaesthetic with intravenous sedation – a combination of intravenous sedation (sedative medication is put into your vein using an intravenous line) and local anaesthetic injected directly into your cervix.
No different to an exploratory bowel "operation" its not really the same as an appendectomy or triple bypass or brain cancer removal.
Removing a wart can be called an operation.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 11:59:48 AM
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 11:59:48 AM
In Victoria, where abortion is available in a range of public and private settings, it is a safe, common and legal reproductive health choice.
Unplanned pregnancies occur for many reasons – for instance when contraception fails, is not available, or a woman does not consent to having sex. The decision to have an abortion is for each individual woman to make based on her unique circumstances.
What is abortion?
An abortion is the deliberate medical process of ending a pregnancy. An abortion is also known as a 'termination' or 'termination of pregnancy'.
There are two types of abortion procedures – surgical abortions and medical abortions.
Most surgical abortions are performed between 6 and 12 weeks of pregnancy, but they can be performed later as well. A surgical abortion is usually performed as a day procedure by a method called suction aspiration. Women having this procedure are usually under a general or local anaesthetic.
There you go... take a couple of pills up to 9 weeks gestation and pop, it's all over.
Where's the
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 27, 2019, 12:00:41 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 27, 2019, 12:00:41 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 12:06:48 PM
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 12:06:48 PM
Complications would be going under and completely being knocked out.
The Catholic lady across the road who had 9 children also had 10 abortions. She didn't believe in taking the pill because catholic school told her The Contraceptive Pill caused strokes.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 27, 2019, 12:14:03 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 27, 2019, 12:14:03 PM
How about abortions for the poor? Do you think poor people should be forced to have abortions?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 12:18:00 PM
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 12:18:00 PM
Just a question Caskur, do you support third trimester abortion for any reason, right up until 30 seconds before giving birth?Quote from: "Wazzzup"
No. I do not support abortion after the 1st trimester.
But I have known (sadly) ladies whose babies died in gestation and they had to carry dead babies inside until they had them removed... which meant, they were induced. In other words, they knowingly had to deliver dead babies.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 12:19:19 PM
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 12:19:19 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 27, 2019, 01:13:30 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 27, 2019, 01:13:30 PM
And I know a girl who had a full term baby who did not have a brain.Quote from: "caskur"
Why are you referring to your mom as "a girl" in this instance?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2019, 02:18:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2019, 02:18:46 PM
A self pwning.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 02:47:08 PM
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 02:47:08 PM
Well how about that caskur youweretalking out of your ass again. No surprise there though.
Deceitful One hit wonder. 4 choices are given for the procedure.
From Aus Government site!
nitrous oxide gas – or a similar gas. This puts you in a state of 'twilight sleep'. You are awake, but sedated and calm
local anaesthetic – anaesthetic is injected into your cervix to make the area numb, so that you don't feel anything during the operation (this is known as a paracervical block)
local anaesthetic with intravenous sedation – a combination of intravenous sedation (sedative medication is put into your vein using an intravenous line) and local anaesthetic injected directly into your cervix.
No different to an exploratory bowel "operation" its not really the same as an appendectomy or triple bypass or brain cancer removal.
Removing a wart can be called an operation.[/quote]
Quote from: "caskur"Medical abortion uses prescription medication given in doses over two or more days to end a pregnancy. This method of abortion can be performed for women whose pregnancy is up to nine weeks gestation.[/b]
There you go... take a couple of pills up to 9 weeks gestation and pop, it's all over.
Where's theoperationin that Wazzy fuzzy nuts?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2019, 06:12:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2019, 06:12:11 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on May 27, 2019, 06:39:33 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 27, 2019, 06:39:33 PM
Thats murder.
Why dont we just go full nazi and put down all the disabled people too... They are a burden.
And all the people with other health issues..
Loonies etc.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2019, 07:36:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2019, 07:36:10 PM
They have already legalized abortion up until birth..Quote from: "Odinson"
Thats murder.
Why dont we just go full nazi and put down all the disabled people too... They are a burden.
And all the people with other health issues..
Loonies etc.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAHIyFyfdTM
Eugenics used to be law in Canada fifty years ago.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 27, 2019, 07:51:03 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 27, 2019, 07:51:03 PM
make it so that each woman carrying child can vote twice and let the polls show that the numbers would lean democratic and you'll see how fast those cocksuckers will reverse positionThey have already legalized abortion up until birth..Quote from: "Odinson"
Thats murder.
Why dont we just go full nazi and put down all the disabled people too... They are a burden.
And all the people with other health issues..
Loonies etc.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAHIyFyfdTM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: JOE on May 27, 2019, 08:11:05 PM
Post by: JOE on May 27, 2019, 08:11:05 PM
course i'm one of the few here who can co-exist peacefully on all 3 forums at once.
its tough bein a liberal on the blue cashew
oh well.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2019, 08:17:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2019, 08:17:42 PM
seems I'm one of the few (the only?!) males on this forum who supports abortiin rights & a wonans right to choose. Must be my congenial nature.Quote from: "JOE"
course i'm one of the few here who can co-exist peacefully on all 3 forums at once.
its tough bein a liberal on the blue cashew
oh well.
If you read what posters write, you'd know Herman is very supportive of killing unborn babies.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2019, 08:41:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2019, 08:41:14 PM
seems I'm one of the few (the only?!) males on this forum who supports abortiin rights & a wonans right to choose. Must be my congenial nature.Quote from: "JOE"
course i'm one of the few here who can co-exist peacefully on all 3 forums at once.
its tough bein a liberal on the blue cashew
oh well.
If you read what posters write, you'd know Herman is very supportive of killing unborn babies.
I am pro choice. I want more abortions.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2019, 08:51:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2019, 08:51:11 PM
Its not that strange.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 27, 2019, 09:05:31 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 27, 2019, 09:05:31 PM
seems I'm one of the few (the only?!) males on this forum who supports abortiin rights & a wonans right to choose. Must be my congenial nature.Quote from: "JOE"
course i'm one of the few here who can co-exist peacefully on all 3 forums at once.
its tough bein a liberal on the blue cashew
oh well.
All that water carrying and you cant even manage to scrape a little pussy out the deal
?
That's fucking pathetic . Women would sooner fuck a man that openly supports striping them of their ""rights"" before looking in your direction
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2019, 09:06:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2019, 09:06:04 PM
I had a surgical abortion at 9 weeks without being put under. IN Grand Rapids, at Heritage.Quote from: "Dove"
Its not that strange.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 27, 2019, 09:17:20 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 27, 2019, 09:17:20 PM
LOL No matter what Joe does women just don't want anything to do with him. He will be a virgin incel forever. Oh well.seems I'm one of the few (the only?!) males on this forum who supports abortiin rights & a wonans right to choose. Must be my congenial nature.Quote from: "JOE"
course i'm one of the few here who can co-exist peacefully on all 3 forums at once.
its tough bein a liberal on the blue cashew
oh well.
All that water carrying and you cant even manage to scrape a little pussy out the deal
?
That's fucking pathetic . Women would sooner fuck a man that openly supports striping them of their ""rights"" before looking in your direction
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2019, 09:21:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2019, 09:21:06 PM
seems I'm one of the few (the only?!) males on this forum who supports abortiin rights & a wonans right to choose. Must be my congenial nature.Quote from: "JOE"
course i'm one of the few here who can co-exist peacefully on all 3 forums at once.
its tough bein a liberal on the blue cashew
oh well.
All that water carrying and you cant even manage to scrape a little pussy out the deal
?
That's fucking pathetic . Women would sooner fuck a man that openly supports striping them of their ""rights"" before looking in your direction
JOE never reads what posters write..
What's he doing on discussion boards..
That's my last derail on this topic.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 10:51:11 PM
Post by: caskur on May 27, 2019, 10:51:11 PM
Abortion is a waste of time discussion topic. Pro life people are usually religious and they don't care what man thinks. The radical pro abortion crowd hates religion, well, Christianity anyway.Quote from: "Shen Li"
Yeah, going around and around in mind numbing circles... it drives you nuts.
There are a fair few people in Australia killing new borns over the last few years. They get off because they're suffering the Baby Blues.
I feel as though they still should do time in jail even though they're mental.
One woman who killed her baby got that very baby from IVF program from 10 years trying.
This article says the father killed the baby but at the time it was reported on the news, they said the mother did it.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2019, 04:46:25 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2019, 04:46:25 AM
seems I'm one of the few (the only?!) males on this forum who supports abortiin rights & a wonans right to choose. Must be my congenial nature.Quote from: "JOE"
course i'm one of the few here who can co-exist peacefully on all 3 forums at once.
its tough bein a liberal on the blue cashew
oh well.
All that water carrying and you cant even manage to scrape a little pussy out the deal
?
That's fucking pathetic . Women would sooner fuck a man that openly supports striping them of their ""rights"" before looking in your direction
JOE never reads what posters write..What's he doing on discussion boards..
That's my last derail on this topic.
Looking for a pity fuck.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 28, 2019, 08:11:37 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 28, 2019, 08:11:37 AM
Good post--I definitely see similaritier between some of the logic used in the pro choice movement and the Eugenics movement.They have already legalized abortion up until birth..Quote from: "Odinson"
Thats murder.
Why dont we just go full nazi and put down all the disabled people too... They are a burden.
And all the people with other health issues..
Loonies etc.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAHIyFyfdTM
Eugenics used to be law in Canada fifty years ago.
There is always a big danger when you can define someone as a non person in order to kill them because they are inconvenient.
For example--why aren't young children the same? They may not reside inside someone's body--but Young children are a burden as well, they can't survive without a parent or parents to take care of them. Why can't they be terminated if the parent(s) don't want them?
People with special needs, especially younger ones, can't survive without help from others. How about them?
Same with an old person with dementia who can't take care of themselves without help. They could be a huge burden to their family why not call getting rid of them a "choice" too????
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2019, 10:54:52 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2019, 10:54:52 AM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Blurt on May 28, 2019, 12:11:10 PM
Post by: Blurt on May 28, 2019, 12:11:10 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2019, 12:23:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2019, 12:23:04 PM
"Should" is all all fine and dandy, but you need to back up a bunch of "shoulds" with a bouquet of "becauses."Quote from: "Blurt"
Change should to must and Velvet's post is almost perfect.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Blurt on May 28, 2019, 12:37:23 PM
Post by: Blurt on May 28, 2019, 12:37:23 PM
If you feel someone should, or must, do something, provide the reasons.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2019, 03:47:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2019, 03:47:35 PM
Abortion should not be used as a form of birth control. It should be rare. Legitimate reasons, such as risk to the mother's health or risk that the baby will be born with major birth defects should be required before abortions are approved. Even then, not after the ninth week.Quote from: "Velvet"
Seems perfectly reasonable to everybody except extremists.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 28, 2019, 08:19:40 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 28, 2019, 08:19:40 PM
My own mother said the following to me when I was in my early 20s and far from her because I was already in the states, "Oh no! Do not see an ob/gyn! If you do, your hymen will no longer be intact!" As though that is more important than ensuring I have informed and proper care. For me, I learned everything on my own because it was taboo in my culture for the elderly to speak to the young about these matters which is utterly stupid. I sure hope the younger parents now back home are not as blind and stuck in the middle ages like the parents were when I was growing up.
When I think back on that now, I cringe at my own mother. I can't believe she was so brainwashed by her backwards thinking, religious upbringing, and misplaced need to be pious or prudent, so enslaved by the cultural mores she grew up with. I have a 3-year old niece back home and you can be sure I am going to educate her if her own parents won't.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: JOE on May 28, 2019, 09:02:56 PM
Post by: JOE on May 28, 2019, 09:02:56 PM
Agree or disagree with that POV, at least its consistent and fair.
I aint no hypocrite
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 28, 2019, 10:38:13 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 28, 2019, 10:38:13 PM
That's easy to solve, the woman can put it up for adoption then she won't have to pay for it.I support abortion because if I wouldn't want to pay for a child I didn't want,Quote from: "JOE"I don't expect a woman to bring a child into the world she doesn't want to take the time to raise or pay for.
Agree or disagree with that POV, at least its consistent and fair.
I aint no hypocrite
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Bricktop on May 28, 2019, 11:53:56 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 28, 2019, 11:53:56 PM
Maybe...
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2019, 12:04:53 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2019, 12:04:53 AM
I support abortion because if I wouldn't want to pay for a child I didn't want,Quote from: "JOE"I don't expect a woman to bring a child into the world she doesn't want to take the time to raise or pay for.
Agree or disagree with that POV, at least its consistent and fair.
I aint no hypocrite
I guess JOE never thought of that or more likely he hasn't been reading anyone's posts in this thread.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: JOE on May 29, 2019, 06:00:27 AM
Post by: JOE on May 29, 2019, 06:00:27 AM
I support abortion because if I wouldn't want to pay for a child I didn't want,Quote from: "JOE"I don't expect a woman to bring a child into the world she doesn't want to take the time to raise or pay for.
Agree or disagree with that POV, at least its consistent and fair.
I aint no hypocrite
However the laws are such that it is extremely difficult and expensive for prospective parents to adopt in Canada or the United States, Lump.
This is not the era of Ma & Pa Kent where a displaced child could move in with a kind & well meaning couple. We don't live in the 19th or early 20th century anymore.
Now they're heavily screened & they have to pay thousands of dollars in legal fees for the privilege of adopting a child.
Its just not as simple as you think.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2019, 07:00:33 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2019, 07:00:33 AM
I support abortion because if I wouldn't want to pay for a child I didn't want,Quote from: "JOE"I don't expect a woman to bring a child into the world she doesn't want to take the time to raise or pay for.
Agree or disagree with that POV, at least its consistent and fair.
I aint no hypocrite
I guess JOE never thought of that or more likely he hasn't been reading anyone's posts in this thread.
The incel's trolling is
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 29, 2019, 07:28:02 AM
Post by: caskur on May 29, 2019, 07:28:02 AM
They have already legalized abortion up until birth..Quote from: "Odinson"
Thats murder.
Why dont we just go full nazi and put down all the disabled people too... They are a burden.
And all the people with other health issues..
Loonies etc.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAHIyFyfdTM
Eugenics used to be law in Canada fifty years ago.
There is always a big danger when you can define someone as a non person in order to kill them because they are inconvenient.
For example--why aren't young children the same? They may not reside inside someone's body--but Young children are a burden as well, they can't survive without a parent or parents to take care of them. Why can't they be terminated if the parent(s) don't want them?
People with special needs, especially younger ones, can't survive without help from others. How about them?
Same with an old person with dementia who can't take care of themselves without help. They could be a huge burden to their family why not call getting rid of them a "choice" too????
Disabled babies are euthanized in some European countries already I think.. Holland.
Australian aborigines always clobbered over the head, unwanted babies. White men stopped that practice.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 29, 2019, 08:14:18 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 29, 2019, 08:14:18 AM
I didn't know that, seems you are correct.They have already legalized abortion up until birth..Quote from: "Odinson"
Thats murder.
Why dont we just go full nazi and put down all the disabled people too... They are a burden.
And all the people with other health issues..
Loonies etc.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAHIyFyfdTM
Eugenics used to be law in Canada fifty years ago.
There is always a big danger when you can define someone as a non person in order to kill them because they are inconvenient.
For example--why aren't young children the same? They may not reside inside someone's body--but Young children are a burden as well, they can't survive without a parent or parents to take care of them. Why can't they be terminated if the parent(s) don't want them?
People with special needs, especially younger ones, can't survive without help from others. How about them?
Same with an old person with dementia who can't take care of themselves without help. They could be a huge burden to their family why not call getting rid of them a "choice" too????Disabled babies are euthanized in some European countries already I think.. Holland.
Australian aborigines always clobbered over the head, unwanted babies. White men stopped that practice.
according to wiki
Child euthanasia is a form of euthanasia that is applied to children who are gravely ill or suffer from significant birth defects. In 2005, the Netherlands became the first country to decriminalize euthanasia for infants with hopeless prognosis and intractable pain.[1] Nine years later, Belgium amended its 2002 Euthanasia Act to extend the rights of euthanasia to minors.[2] Like euthanasia, there is world-wide public controversy and ethical debate over the moral, philosophical and religious issues of child euthanasia.Quote
Looks like the Dutch are greasing up the slippery slope.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2019, 09:07:21 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2019, 09:07:21 AM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2019, 10:57:02 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2019, 10:57:02 AM
As someone who had a severely disabled child, I'm appaled by what my husnand's country has legalized.Quote from: "Fashionista"
It seems babies are only euthanized in extreme circumstances.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 29, 2019, 11:58:04 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 29, 2019, 11:58:04 AM
It sounds fairly reasonable on paper, but in practice the potential for abuse is huge IMO.As someone who had a severely disabled child, I'm appaled by what my husnand's country has legalized.Quote from: "Fashionista"
It seems babies are only euthanized in extreme circumstances.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: JOE on May 29, 2019, 12:19:53 PM
Post by: JOE on May 29, 2019, 12:19:53 PM
As someone who had a severely disabled child, I'm appaled by what my husnand's country has legalized.Quote from: "Fashionista"
Have you or do you have a disabled child mimi?
I once worked as a contractor for one of the local school boards taking care of children with disabilities. It was a depressing experience. I won't ever work in that type of setting ever again.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2019, 02:21:01 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2019, 02:21:01 PM
As someone who had a severely disabled child, I'm appaled by what my husnand's country has legalized.Quote from: "Fashionista"
Have you or do you have a disabled childmimi?
I once worked as a contractor for one of the local school boards taking care of children with disabilities. It was a depressing experience. I won't ever work in that type of setting ever again.
????
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: cc on May 29, 2019, 02:55:48 PM
Post by: cc on May 29, 2019, 02:55:48 PM
I thank the Lord there is only 1 JoJo
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2019, 03:26:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2019, 03:26:46 PM
While 0 would be ideal,Quote from: "cc"
I thank the Lord there is only 1 JoJo
Old Joe is part of the reason I think eighty per cent of pregnancies should be aborted.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 29, 2019, 05:00:11 PM
Post by: caskur on May 29, 2019, 05:00:11 PM
One of our friends is in her 50s and is in a wheelchair. Her 85+ year old mother is trying with every once of her being to keep alive to look after her daughter. One day, not very far away, mum isn't going to be here amongst the living.
Then what?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 29, 2019, 05:07:59 PM
Post by: caskur on May 29, 2019, 05:07:59 PM
As someone who had a severely disabled child, I'm appaled by what my husnand's country has legalized.Quote from: "Fashionista"
Have you or do you have a disabled child mimi?
I once worked as a contractor for one of the local school boards taking care of children with disabilities. It was a depressing experience. I won't ever work in that type of setting ever again.
I hear you.
I have second cousin severely disabled. The dedication of parents who look after them is amazing.... until everyone ages.
The problem we have in our country these days is they put the disabled in houses in communities with helpers instead of having institutions.
I feel they should go back to having institutions and making them visitor friendly...
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 29, 2019, 05:13:48 PM
Post by: caskur on May 29, 2019, 05:13:48 PM
I thought that was pure rottenness for the government to close down the head injured facility. Think about it. How would we like to be a head injured 25 year old sent off the live with the aged dead and dying? Just deplorable.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: realgrimm on May 30, 2019, 04:22:30 PM
Post by: realgrimm on May 30, 2019, 04:22:30 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on May 30, 2019, 06:52:11 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 30, 2019, 06:52:11 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 30, 2019, 09:14:05 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 30, 2019, 09:14:05 PM
While 0 would be ideal,Quote from: "cc"
I thank the Lord there is only 1 JoJo
Old Joe is part of the reason I think eighty per cent of pregnancies should be aborted.
Caskur is a strong argument for abolishing time limits on abortion.
Throwing her down a flight of stairs after soaking her in gasoline should be a choice, not a crime. Lighting the match too.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2019, 11:14:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2019, 11:14:56 PM
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Oh realgrimm..
Still, it's always nice to see you.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 31, 2019, 08:50:55 AM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 31, 2019, 08:50:55 AM
Oh that good old leftist hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2019, 10:44:49 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2019, 10:44:49 AM
I know big business wants to follow political trends, but they must think we are blind to their hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: JOE on May 31, 2019, 11:55:45 AM
Post by: JOE on May 31, 2019, 11:55:45 AM
This smacks of smarmy hypocrisy. Can't have it both ways. If they want more babies then they have to advocate the expansion of the welfare state to support these newborns & new taxes to pay for them.
If I wanted lower taxes, fewer expenditures on social & public works programs then the only logical choice is to support abortion
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 31, 2019, 12:04:56 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 31, 2019, 12:04:56 PM
The big problem I have with right to life types is that they are often against funding programs such as daycare, support for single mons & they want more prisons. They want women to have more babies but trey don't want to pay for them. Plus they want more prisons to accommodate this surplus population of unwanted chikdren once they grow up to be adults.Quote from: "JOE"
This smacks of smarmy hypocrisy. Can't have it both ways. If they want more babies then they have to advocate the expansion of the welfare state to support these newborns & new taxes to pay for them.
If I wanted lower taxes, fewer expenditures on social & public works programs then the only logical choice is to support abortion
This is perhaps the dumbest fucking post I've ever read. No wonder most people across several forums think you're a fucking idiot virgin.
So, by your inane perception of reality because I do not want to pay for the poor choices made by ignorant and mostly selfish persons I should be in support of wholesale genocide lest I be labeled a hypocrite by lonely incel who posts like his balls were severed in a toaster oven accident long ago?
That's a pretty stupid standard. Even for someone as unfathomably dense as yourself.
Here's an idea you dumb fucking imbecile. How about those selfish cunts accept the choices they make and live up to their responsibility. Either that or refrain from sex all together. Like you. Or, enjoy the vastness in quality social programs their local prison system has to offer.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2019, 01:20:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2019, 01:20:23 PM
The big problem I have with right to life types is that they are often against funding programs such as daycare, support for single mons & they want more prisons. They want women to have more babies but trey don't want to pay for them. Plus they want more prisons to accommodate this surplus population of unwanted chikdren once they grow up to be adults.Quote from: "JOE"
This smacks of smarmy hypocrisy. Can't have it both ways. If they want more babies then they have to advocate the expansion of the welfare state to support these newborns & new taxes to pay for them.
If I wanted lower taxes, fewer expenditures on social & public works programs then the only logical choice is to support abortion
This is perhaps the dumbest fucking post I've ever read. No wonder most people across several forums think you're a fucking idiot virgin.
So, by your inane perception of reality because I do not want to pay for the poor choices made by ignorant and mostly selfish persons I should be in support of wholesale genocide lest I be labeled a hypocrite by lonely incel who posts like his balls were severed in a toaster oven accident long ago?
That's a pretty stupid standard. Even for someone as unfathomably dense as yourself.
Here's an idea you dumb fucking imbecile. How about those selfish cunts accept the choices they make and live up to their responsibility. Either that or refrain from sex all together. Like you. Or, enjoy the vastness in quality social programs their local prison system has to offer.
What JOE posted is a ridiculous, insulting comparison and he knows that..
Nobody takes anything he posts seriously..
I don't believe he is dumb like Seamajor, but he is incredibly immature and probably very lonely..
He's likely as socially awkward in real life as he is on forums.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on May 31, 2019, 02:20:27 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on May 31, 2019, 02:20:27 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2019, 02:37:55 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2019, 02:37:55 PM
Joe's post is factually ridiculous. There are lots of people who want to adopt healthy babies. There is no need to "pay" for them, their adoptive parents will "pay" for them.Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Yes, it's a fact that sixty year old attention whoring incels are ridiculous.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 31, 2019, 02:47:28 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 31, 2019, 02:47:28 PM
You don't sanction murder simply to cater to people who are irresponsible. Impose stiff penalties for committing these murders and make these fuckwads think twice about being so irresponsible with their reproductive abilities.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: caskur on May 31, 2019, 07:59:11 PM
Post by: caskur on May 31, 2019, 07:59:11 PM
His assertion would be just as silly even if there were no adoptive parents willing to take care of these childrenQuote from: "ThugLife"
You don't sanction murder simply to cater to people who are irresponsible. Impose stiff penalties for committing these murders and make these fuckwads think twice about being so irresponsible with their reproductive abilities.
There are plenty of foster parents in it for the money, not the kids...
You don't know very much do you?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 31, 2019, 10:02:11 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on May 31, 2019, 10:02:11 PM
His assertion would be just as silly even if there were no adoptive parents willing to take care of these childrenQuote from: "ThugLife"
You don't sanction murder simply to cater to people who are irresponsible. Impose stiff penalties for committing these murders and make these fuckwads think twice about being so irresponsible with their reproductive abilities.
There are plenty of foster parents in it for the money, not the kids...
You don't know very much do you?
I know you're a fucking idiot who cannot read because I clearly stated it didn't matter in the slightest whether there were foster parents available or not.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2019, 11:16:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2019, 11:16:20 PM
His assertion would be just as silly even if there were no adoptive parents willing to take care of these childrenQuote from: "ThugLife"You don't sanction murder simply to cater to people who are irresponsible.Impose stiff penalties for committing these murders and make these fuckwads think twice about being so irresponsible with their reproductive abilities.
Exactly Thuglife.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on June 01, 2019, 07:11:34 PM
Post by: Odinson on June 01, 2019, 07:11:34 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on June 02, 2019, 03:13:07 PM
Post by: Odinson on June 02, 2019, 03:13:07 PM
You have to be a special kind of bastard to terminate a 3rd trimester baby.
Only plastic surgeons have no morals.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2019, 03:21:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2019, 03:21:43 PM
I dont think a lot of doctors are agreeing with the abortion laws..Quote from: "Odinson"
You have to be a special kind of bastard to terminate a 3rd trimester baby.
Only plastic surgeons have no morals.
I'm very pro life, but I think third term abortions are extremely rare, as they should be.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on June 05, 2019, 03:25:00 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on June 05, 2019, 03:25:00 PM
But, hey killing a baby all the way up to 5 minutes before birth is okay.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on June 05, 2019, 03:26:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 05, 2019, 03:26:57 PM
New York passes cat declawing ban because its cruel--Quote from: "Wazzzup"https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/nyregion/cats-declawing-law-ban.html
But, hey killing a baby all the way up to 5 minutes before birth is okay.:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Oh ffs, our cat is declawed.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on June 05, 2019, 04:40:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 05, 2019, 04:40:27 PM
New York passes cat declawing ban because its cruel--Quote from: "Wazzzup"https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/nyregion/cats-declawing-law-ban.html
But, hey killing a baby all the way up to 5 minutes before birth is okay.:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Oh ffs, our cat is declawed.
Vets declaw cats with lasers now.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on June 17, 2019, 07:46:31 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on June 17, 2019, 07:46:31 PM
New York passes cat declawing ban because its cruel--Quote from: "Wazzzup"https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/nyregion/cats-declawing-law-ban.html
But, hey killing a baby all the way up to 5 minutes before birth is okay.:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on June 18, 2019, 08:45:12 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 18, 2019, 08:45:12 AM
New York passes cat declawing ban because its cruel--Quote from: "Wazzzup"https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/nyregion/cats-declawing-law-ban.html
But, hey killing a baby all the way up to 5 minutes before birth is okay.:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Unbelievable.
What kind of a doctor would do this.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Biggie Smiles on June 18, 2019, 10:20:04 AM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on June 18, 2019, 10:20:04 AM
New York passes cat declawing ban because its cruel--Quote from: "Wazzzup"https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/nyregion/cats-declawing-law-ban.html
But, hey killing a baby all the way up to 5 minutes before birth is okay.:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Unbelievable.
What kind of a doctor would do this.
Plenty of them. This is the new law in VA and NY
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on June 18, 2019, 11:08:42 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 18, 2019, 11:08:42 AM
New York passes cat declawing ban because its cruel--Quote from: "Wazzzup"https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/nyregion/cats-declawing-law-ban.html
But, hey killing a baby all the way up to 5 minutes before birth is okay.:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Unbelievable.
It is grotesque.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Odinson on June 18, 2019, 07:31:07 PM
Post by: Odinson on June 18, 2019, 07:31:07 PM
And the doctors who do these really grotesque plastic surgeries to clearly mentally ill patients.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Wazzzup on June 18, 2019, 11:48:15 PM
Post by: Wazzzup on June 18, 2019, 11:48:15 PM
he got 8 months probation and a 5,000 dollar fine for it.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2019, 01:51:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2019, 01:51:47 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Gaon on June 20, 2019, 02:14:35 PM
Post by: Gaon on June 20, 2019, 02:14:35 PM
I can't remember what thread this was in , but maybe you all remember this guy who kicked the pro life woman in the headQuote from: "Wazzzup"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7SqtIe5rZQ
he got 8 months probation and a 5,000 dollar fine for it.
If I saw him do that, I would definitely get physical. I am certain I could handle him.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on July 18, 2019, 01:05:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 18, 2019, 01:05:12 PM
Former Planned Parenthood President Said Crisis Pregnancy Centers Misinform, Shame And Deter. Here's What They Actually Do
Former Planned Parenthood President Leana Wen said crisis pregnancy centers pose as health centers.
The Daily Caller News Foundation visited the Capitol Hill Crisis Pregnancy Center and found this was not the case.
This Washington, D.C.-based pregnancy center offers care, material support and resources to every client in need.
WASHINGTON — Former Planned Parenthood President Leana Wen said Sunday that crisis pregnancy centers misinform, shame and deter women from getting abortions, but employees at the Capitol Hill Crisis Pregnancy Center disagree.
Wen tweeted that crisis pregnancy centers "falsely depict themselves as health centers when their only purpose is to misinform, shame, and deter anyone seeking safe, legal abortion care."
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2019, 09:30:38 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2019, 09:30:38 AM
I aint getting into an abortion debate, but Planned Parenthood is another scam NGO sucking hundreds of millions of dollars a year in taxpayer money that it does not need r deserve.Quote from: "Herman"https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/17/crisis-pregnancy-center-planned-parenthood/?utm_medium=email
Former Planned Parenthood President Said Crisis Pregnancy Centers Misinform, Shame And Deter. Here's What They Actually Do
Former Planned Parenthood President Leana Wen said crisis pregnancy centers pose as health centers.
The Daily Caller News Foundation visited the Capitol Hill Crisis Pregnancy Center and found this was not the case.
This Washington, D.C.-based pregnancy center offers care, material support and resources to every client in need.
WASHINGTON — Former Planned Parenthood President Leana Wen said Sunday that crisis pregnancy centers misinform, shame and deter women from getting abortions, but employees at the Capitol Hill Crisis Pregnancy Center disagree.
Wen tweeted that crisis pregnancy centers "falsely depict themselves as health centers when their only purpose is to misinform, shame, and deter anyone seeking safe, legal abortion care."
PP is a political organization not a health provider.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: cc on July 19, 2019, 08:36:40 PM
Post by: cc on July 19, 2019, 08:36:40 PM
The former Planned Parenthood president, ousted from her position after eight months on the job, says the move came as she was trying to "depoliticize" the organization.
"In the end, I was asked to leave for the same reason I was hired: I was changing the direction of Planned Parenthood," Dr. Leana Wen said in an op-ed in The New York Times on Friday.
Wen said she faced pressure from a new Board of Directors to prioritize doubling down on abortion rights advocacy rather than emphasizing the organization's "role in providing essential health care to millions of underserved women and families."
... she preferred trying to steer the organization toward promoting broad access to women's health care -- that includes breast exams, cervical cancer screenings, H.I.V. testing and family planning -- through the organization, which has a presence in every state.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2019, 08:37:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2019, 08:37:59 PM
I aint getting into an abortion debate, but Planned Parenthood is another scam NGO sucking hundreds of millions of dollars a year in taxpayer money that it does not need r deserve.Quote from: "Herman"https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/17/crisis-pregnancy-center-planned-parenthood/?utm_medium=email
Former Planned Parenthood President Said Crisis Pregnancy Centers Misinform, Shame And Deter. Here's What They Actually Do
Former Planned Parenthood President Leana Wen said crisis pregnancy centers pose as health centers.
The Daily Caller News Foundation visited the Capitol Hill Crisis Pregnancy Center and found this was not the case.
This Washington, D.C.-based pregnancy center offers care, material support and resources to every client in need.
WASHINGTON — Former Planned Parenthood President Leana Wen said Sunday that crisis pregnancy centers misinform, shame and deter women from getting abortions, but employees at the Capitol Hill Crisis Pregnancy Center disagree.
Wen tweeted that crisis pregnancy centers "falsely depict themselves as health centers when their only purpose is to misinform, shame, and deter anyone seeking safe, legal abortion care."
PP is a political organization not a health provider.
Ya, it is. I did not want to ignite a debate on abortion. But, I got no problem with corporations that receive hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars masquerading as a necessary health care provider.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2019, 08:38:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2019, 08:38:59 PM
Exactly - and when the new leader tried to make it better, she was fired within 8 monthsQuote from: "cc"Ousted Planned Parenthood head says she tried to 'depoliticize' group(//https)
he former Planned Parenthood president, ousted from her position after eight months on the job, says the move came as she was trying to "depoliticize" the organization.
"In the end, I was asked to leave for the same reason I was hired: I was changing the direction of Planned Parenthood," Dr. Leana Wen said in an op-ed in The New York Times on Friday.
Wen said she faced pressure from a new Board of Directors to prioritize doubling down on abortion rights advocacy rather than emphasizing the organization's "role in providing essential health care to millions of underserved women and families."
We have the smoking gun. Good work ceec.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Skippy on July 19, 2019, 08:48:56 PM
Post by: Skippy on July 19, 2019, 08:48:56 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2019, 09:02:22 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2019, 09:02:22 PM
America and Canada abortion policy is like Nazi Germany, abort if they are disabled, mentally ill, victims of rape, incest, or just an inconvenience.Quote from: "Skippy"Don't they deserve to live just like anyone elseacc_angry
They absolutely do deserve to live Skippy.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2019, 09:12:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2019, 09:12:12 PM
America and Canada abortion policy is like Nazi Germany, abort if they are disabled, mentally ill, victims of rape, incest, or just an inconvienice. Don't they deserve to live just like anyone elseQuote from: "Skippy"acc_angry
I don't have a problem with some aspects of eugenics. Some people should be sterilized.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Skippy on July 19, 2019, 09:20:21 PM
Post by: Skippy on July 19, 2019, 09:20:21 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2019, 09:39:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2019, 09:39:03 PM
Or the Caucasians should be encouraged to have more babies or that will be the end of usQuote from: "Skippy"
Some whites should be sterilized too. Progtards are usually white. More East European immigration. They are anti progs. More Chinks too. They are anti progs as well.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 14, 2019, 10:11:42 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 14, 2019, 10:11:42 PM
I aint getting into an abortion debate, but Planned Parenthood is another scam NGO sucking hundreds of millions of dollars a year in taxpayer money that it does not need r deserve.Quote from: "Herman"https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/17/crisis-pregnancy-center-planned-parenthood/?utm_medium=email
Former Planned Parenthood President Said Crisis Pregnancy Centers Misinform, Shame And Deter. Here's What They Actually Do
Former Planned Parenthood President Leana Wen said crisis pregnancy centers pose as health centers.
The Daily Caller News Foundation visited the Capitol Hill Crisis Pregnancy Center and found this was not the case.
This Washington, D.C.-based pregnancy center offers care, material support and resources to every client in need.
WASHINGTON — Former Planned Parenthood President Leana Wen said Sunday that crisis pregnancy centers misinform, shame and deter women from getting abortions, but employees at the Capitol Hill Crisis Pregnancy Center disagree.
Wen tweeted that crisis pregnancy centers "falsely depict themselves as health centers when their only purpose is to misinform, shame, and deter anyone seeking safe, legal abortion care."
PP is a political organization not a health provider.
I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on this, Fash. PP is a health care provider especially to the underprivileged. Their focus is to educate people about reproductive and sexual health. They can help answer questions and guide a patient about contraception, STDs, breast and cervical health, including cervical cancer screenings. They don't only serve women. They provide services to men too. It is a place that offers guidance regarding family planning which is why it is called Planned Parenthood.
While most of us have health care insurance and primary physicians, most underprivileged members of society don't. So, PP does serve them as a health care provider for reproductive and sexual health only. One still needs a primary health care provider to address general health issues.
I advocate that all women who are pregnant must have PRE-NATAL care. The reason I joined this cause was by accident. My youngest was 2 months early so he was a preemie. I did not see it coming. This happened even though I was fit and healthy. I was on the treadmill even at 5 months. Still, I did not escape the claws of preeclampsia. It is a condition that could strike any expectant woman and could be fatal if not detected in good time. Both my baby and I nearly did not make it if my OB-GYN did not monitor me effectively. I think considering the time of pregnancy with a devil-may-care attitude is ill-informed. Although it brings joy and hope, a pregnancy is not a happy-go-lucky time. It is a time to be cautious. Every pregnant woman must have pre-natal care.
For more, go here:
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 14, 2019, 10:15:33 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 14, 2019, 10:15:33 PM
thecut.com/2017/01/misconceptions-about-planned-parenthood.html
Do you know what Planned Parenthood actually does? If you believe Donald Trump and Mike Pence, it's an "abortion factory." If you listen to Carly Fiorina, it's a place where body parts are trafficked. While one in five women will visit a Planned Parenthood in her lifetime, terminating a pregnancy is hardly the only reason why. Nonetheless, the fact that abortion accounts for such a small part of the organization's services does little to distill egregious conservative fantasies about the right to choose.
The many misconceptions about Planned Parenthood empower the long assault against reproductive rights, and with the president-elect's promise to cut the 100-year-old health-care provider's federal funding, correcting those myths and bolstering supporters with valuable information is more important than ever. Not sure about what Planned Parenthood does and doesn't do (ahem: wholesale fetal tissue)? Here's a handy guide to nine things people get wrong about our nation's biggest women's-health-care provider.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on August 14, 2019, 10:24:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 14, 2019, 10:24:03 PM
9 Things People Get Wrong About Planned Parenthood
thecut.com/2017/01/misconceptions-about-planned-parenthood.html
Do you know what Planned Parenthood actually does? If you believe Donald Trump and Mike Pence, it's an "abortion factory." If you listen to Carly Fiorina, it's a place where body parts are trafficked. While one in five women will visit a Planned Parenthood in her lifetime, terminating a pregnancy is hardly the only reason why. Nonetheless, the fact that abortion accounts for such a small part of the organization's services does little to distill egregious conservative fantasies about the right to choose.
The many misconceptions about Planned Parenthood empower the long assault against reproductive rights, and with the president-elect's promise to cut the 100-year-old health-care provider's federal funding, correcting those myths and bolstering supporters with valuable information is more important than ever. Not sure about what Planned Parenthood does and doesn't do (ahem: wholesale fetal tissue)? Here's a handy guide to nine things people get wrong about our nation's biggest women's-health-care provider.
FALSE: Abortion is the most popular service that Planned Parenthood provides. Though some pro-lifers paint Planned Parenthood as an organization that exists for the sole purpose of blithely doling out abortions to all who walk through their doors, abortion accounts for only 3 percent of the organization's health-care services (a statistic that conservatives claim distracts from the actual cost of abortion). The main reasons people visit a Planned Parenthood are contraceptive access (31 percent) and STI/STD testing and treatment (45 percent). More than double the number of people visited Planned Parenthood clinics in 2014 for pregnancy tests than for abortion procedures.
FALSE: Planned Parenthood only provides services to women. If Planned Parenthood were to be defunded, women won't be the only ones to lose out. While services vary depending on location, men can visit clinics for prostate, colon, and testicular cancer screenings, vasectomies, male infertility screenings, and sexual-health services, among other necessary health treatments. In 2014, Planned Parenthoods nationwide provided vasectomies to 3,445 men.
FALSE: Planned Parenthood is just for wealthy women, so they'll find health care elsewhere if it were to be shut down. Roughly 75 percent of Planned Parenthood's patients have income at or below 150 percent of the federal poverty level, which is one enormous reason why it is essential the organization's services not be curtailed. The federal funding that Planned Parenthood receives is largely through Medicaid reimbursements. Over half of PP facilities are in medically underserved communities, and unlike most health-care facilities, PP offers same-day appointments, longer hours, and weekend services, making access to preventive health care easier for people who work nontraditional or long hours. In total, Planned Parenthood provides 4,970,000 people worldwide with sexual and reproductive health care and education yearly.
FALSE: Defunding Planned Parenthood would be good for taxpayers. The argument goes that if Planned Parenthood were to be cut off from federal funding, America's taxpayers would benefit. But without the necessary and low-cost health care available at PP, Medicaid spending would actually go up for the federal government and taxpayers. In low-income areas, where women depend on Planned Parenthood for Medicaid-funded contraceptive services, unwanted pregnancies would rise, which would then put a much bigger — and more long-term — burden on Medicaid spending. ThinkProgress estimated that defunding PP would cause Medicaid spending to increase by $650 million over ten years.
FALSE: Teenagers are being indoctrinated by Planned Parenthood to have sex at a young age. One of Planned Parenthood's undersung resources is the wealth of information provided not only in clinics but online, too, at a time when sex education is critically lacking nationwide. Planned Parenthood websites receive approximately 60 million visits a year, and the organization offers both text and call options for teenagers (and adults) who are curious about sex, family planning, sexually transmitted diseases, and contraceptives. Representatives from PP assert that the clinics and information available exist as a means to educate and are not intended to encourage or push young people into anything they are not ready for. (Several studies have shown that providing young people with access to sex education is not correlated to an increase in sexual risk-taking.) Many clinics have teen advocates for other teenagers to speak to, and services offered to teens of all ages are confidential.
FALSE: Planned Parenthood is only available to cis-identifying patients. In an effort to expand its already wide reach, Planned Parenthood now offers hormone therapy for transgender patients, a typically prohibitive or difficult-to-access medical service. While many local clinics that offer hormone-replacement therapy require letters from a patient's therapist before a prescription is given, Planned Parenthood provides HRT with "informed consent." In 26 locations of the 650 Planned Parenthoods nationwide, transgender men and women can receive testosterone or estrogen treatments. Depending on the demand, the number of clinics to provide health-care options to transgender patients is only rising.
FALSE: Planned Parenthood could survive on private donors alone. Over 40 percent of Planned Parenthood's funding comes from federal, state, and local funds. That makes up about $553 million of Planned Parenthood's annual budget, while private donors (from its 2014–2015 report) account for only $353 million a year. Without federal funding, Planned Parenthood would have little chance of survival in communities where a large majority of patients rely on the government's Medicaid and Title X grants. Planned Parenthood's yearly expenses are upwards of $12 billion, and 82 percent of those expenses go to client services, education, and research. With half of the organization's funding cut, decisions would have to be made about which community clinics could stand the loss of services. (One current available action, the Washington Post reports, is for supporters of PP to seek medical care at Planned Parenthood to increase the number of privately insured patients at their clinics.)
FALSE: Planned Parenthood only provides services to Americans. The fight for Planned Parenthood to stay alive may be most potent in our backyards, but it has also extended its reach globally. In 2014, Planned Parenthood Global distributed sexual and reproductive health resources and information to 1,033,964 people worldwide by providing grants to local organizations in countries where access to these resources is severely limited.
FALSE: There will be thousands of other clinics available to women should Planned Parenthood be defunded. While Planned Parenthood is certainly the most recognizable and most familiar abortion provider to most American women, it surely cannot be the only place where women can get an abortion, should they choose to, right? Right? Not so. The argument goes that if PP lost federal funding, local community health centers could step up to fight the good fight and provide health-care services in its stead. But local community centers do not have the bandwidth to take on the Medicaid- and Medicare-supported patients who depend on access to PP's availability of resources. A study by the Guttmacher Institute found that in the 491 counties where there are currently Planned Parenthood clinics, 103 of them have no other clinics where low-income patients can gain access to affordable contraceptive services, should PP's services be drained.
Propaganda. I'm first trimester pro-choice, but PP does not need nor deserve a dime of tax payer money. They spend a $100 million a year or 20% of what it receives in public funding, lobbying government for more money.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 14, 2019, 10:28:55 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 14, 2019, 10:28:55 PM
Propaganda. I'm first trimester pro-choice, but PP does not need nor deserve a dime of tax payer money. They spend a $100 million a year or 20% of what it receives in public funding, lobbying government for more money.:crazy:
Thanks for your input. I stand by my support.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on August 14, 2019, 10:47:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 14, 2019, 10:47:50 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 15, 2019, 04:15:37 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 15, 2019, 04:15:37 PM
I'm first trimester pro-choice...
PP definitely exaggerates it's importance to get taxpayer money.Quote from: "Fashionista"
I'm with Shen on first trimester pro-choice. However, I'm in favor of PP and I don't really care how they are funded as long as they have real doctors and nurses in there and not unlicensed people. I'm curious, Fash, where do you believe the underprivileged should go for reproductive health care?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on August 15, 2019, 05:37:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 15, 2019, 05:37:56 PM
I'm first trimester pro-choice...PP definitely exaggerates it's importance to get taxpayer money.Quote from: "Fashionista"
I'm with Shen on first trimester pro-choice. However, I'm in favor of PP and I don't really care how they are funded as long as they have real doctors and nurses in there and not unlicensed people. I'm curious, Fash, where do you believe the underprivileged should go for reproductive health care?
Most people agree with you and Shen..
PP is a political organization and should not receive more half a billion dollars of taxpayer dollars per year.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on August 15, 2019, 05:50:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 15, 2019, 05:50:19 PM
I'm first trimester pro-choice...PP definitely exaggerates it's importance to get taxpayer money.Quote from: "Fashionista"
I'm with Shen on first trimester pro-choice. However, I'm in favor of PP and I don't really care how they are funded as long as they have real doctors and nurses in there and not unlicensed people. I'm curious, Fash, where do you believe the underprivileged should go for reproductive health care?
Most people agree with you and Shen..
PP is a political organization and should not receive more half a billion dollars of taxpayer dollars per year.
We disagree on when personhood begins, but we both agree that PP is a partisan political organization.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on August 15, 2019, 06:13:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 15, 2019, 06:13:39 PM
I'm first trimester pro-choice...PP definitely exaggerates it's importance to get taxpayer money.Quote from: "Fashionista"
I'm with Shen on first trimester pro-choice. However, I'm in favor of PP and I don't really care how they are funded as long as they have real doctors and nurses in there and not unlicensed people. I'm curious, Fash, where do you believe the underprivileged should go for reproductive health care?
Most people agree with you and Shen..
PP is a political organization and should not receive more half a billion dollars of taxpayer dollars per year.
We disagree on when personhood begins, but we both agree that PP is a partisan political organization.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 19, 2019, 06:35:20 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 19, 2019, 06:35:20 PM
I'm first trimester pro-choice...PP definitely exaggerates it's importance to get taxpayer money.Quote from: "Fashionista"
I'm with Shen on first trimester pro-choice. However, I'm in favor of PP and I don't really care how they are funded as long as they have real doctors and nurses in there and not unlicensed people. I'm curious, Fash, where do you believe the underprivileged should go for reproductive health care?
Most people agree with you and Shen..
PP is a political organization and should not receive more half a billion dollars of taxpayer dollars per year.
We disagree on when personhood begins, but we both agree that PP is a partisan political organization.
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Be that as it may, I am not advocating for PP to be shut down. They serve the underprivileged.
Fash, I still want to know where you think the underprivileged should go if there was no PP.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2019, 06:52:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2019, 06:52:38 PM
I'm first trimester pro-choice...PP definitely exaggerates it's importance to get taxpayer money.Quote from: "Fashionista"
I'm with Shen on first trimester pro-choice. However, I'm in favor of PP and I don't really care how they are funded as long as they have real doctors and nurses in there and not unlicensed people. I'm curious, Fash, where do you believe the underprivileged should go for reproductive health care?
Most people agree with you and Shen..
PP is a political organization and should not receive more half a billion dollars of taxpayer dollars per year.
We disagree on when personhood begins, but we both agree that PP is a partisan political organization.
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Be that as it may, I am not advocating for PP to be shut down. They serve the underprivileged.
Fash, I still want to know where you think the underprivileged should go if there was no PP.
I thought the Affordable Care Act made PP unnecessary. But, even if they still have a role, they should not be receiving ta dollars and using it to lobby congress.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2019, 07:24:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2019, 07:24:21 PM
Health centers to remain open, hope to make up for loss of federal funds
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 01, 2019, 11:29:30 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 01, 2019, 11:29:30 PM
Speaking of public funding for the privately operated PP.Quote from: "Fashionista"Planned Parenthood leaves federal family planning program over abortion-referral ban
Health centers to remain open, hope to make up for loss of federal fundshttps://www.marketwatch.com/story/planned-parenthood-leaves-federal-family-planning-program-over-abortion-referral-ban-2019-08-19?mod=mw_latestnews
Fash, I just want to know what your position is about underprivileged folks who wish to seek reproductive health care. Where do you think they should go?
Be that as it may, I am not advocating for PP to be shut down. They serve the underprivileged.
Fash, I still want to know where you think the underprivileged should go if there was no PP.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on September 01, 2019, 11:52:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 01, 2019, 11:52:02 PM
Speaking of public funding for the privately operated PP.Quote from: "Fashionista"Planned Parenthood leaves federal family planning program over abortion-referral ban
Health centers to remain open, hope to make up for loss of federal fundshttps://www.marketwatch.com/story/planned-parenthood-leaves-federal-family-planning-program-over-abortion-referral-ban-2019-08-19?mod=mw_latestnews
Fash, I just want to know what your position is about underprivileged folks who wish to seek reproductive health care. Where do you think they should go?
Be that as it may, I am not advocating for PP to be shut down. They serve the underprivileged.
Fash, I still want to know where you think the underprivileged should go if there was no PP.
The Hyde Amendment bans federal funds being used for abortion unless the mother's life in danger.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 02, 2019, 11:33:41 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 02, 2019, 11:33:41 PM
Be that as it may, I am not advocating for PP to be shut down. They serve the underprivileged.
Fash, I still want to know where you think the underprivileged should go if there was no PP.
The Hyde Amendment bans federal funds being used for abortion unless the mother's life in danger.
Fash, hopefully, this is the last time I will ask you this question and hopefully this time I will get a decent response from you. I'd like to know what your position is when it comes to the underprivileged seeking reproductive health care, including also contraception, pre-natal care, female reproductive issues, male reproductive issues, cervical cancer screenings, family planning, STDs, STIs. Where do you think they should go if they need help with any of these?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2019, 05:56:05 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2019, 05:56:05 AM
Be that as it may, I am not advocating for PP to be shut down. They serve the underprivileged.
Fash, I still want to know where you think the underprivileged should go if there was no PP.
The Hyde Amendment bans federal funds being used for abortion unless the mother's life in danger.
Fash, hopefully, this is the last time I will ask you this question and hopefully this time I will get a decent response from you. I'd like to know what your position is when it comes to the underprivileged seeking reproductive health care, including also contraception, pre-natal care, female reproductive issues, male reproductive issues, cervical cancer screenings, family planning, STDs, STIs. Where do you think they should go if they need help with any of these?
I think she's made it clear over the years she opposes abortion unless the woman's life is in danger. She's not a Catholic, so she doesn't oppose birth control. And like me, she has a problem with a private NGO receiving taxpayer money to lobby elected reps. They get close to $1 billion in private funds. PP doesn't need public funds to spend asking for more public funds.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2019, 08:50:46 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2019, 08:50:46 AM
Be that as it may, I am not advocating for PP to be shut down. They serve the underprivileged.
Fash, I still want to know where you think the underprivileged should go if there was no PP.
The Hyde Amendment bans federal funds being used for abortion unless the mother's life in danger.
Fash, hopefully, this is the last time I will ask you this question and hopefully this time I will get a decent response from you. I'd like to know what your position is when it comes to the underprivileged seeking reproductive health care, including also contraception, pre-natal care, female reproductive issues, male reproductive issues, cervical cancer screenings, family planning, STDs, STIs. Where do you think they should go if they need help with any of these?
I think she's made it clear over the years she opposes abortion unless the woman's life is in danger. She's not a Catholic, so she doesn't oppose birth control. And like me, she has a problem with a private NGO receiving taxpayer money to lobby elected reps. They get close to $1 billion in private funds. PP doesn't need public funds to spend asking for more public funds.
One thing a former poster raised, is that PP is essentially obsolete since Obamacare.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 03, 2019, 05:27:34 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 03, 2019, 05:27:34 PM
I think she's made it clear over the years she opposes abortion unless the woman's life is in danger. She's not a Catholic, so she doesn't oppose birth control. And like me, she has a problem with a private NGO receiving taxpayer money to lobby elected reps. They get close to $1 billion in private funds. PP doesn't need public funds to spend asking for more public funds.
I am clear on that, Shen. However, this question that I have been asking Fash for the longest time is not specifically about abortion or PP. I wish she would just answer it and not avoid the question. I am totally baffled why she won't answer my question.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 03, 2019, 05:30:23 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 03, 2019, 05:30:23 PM
One thing a former poster raised, is that PP is essentially obsolete since Obamacare.
Fash, put aside abortion or PP for now. Please just focus on this question that I have for you:
Is it possible for you to just address that, please?
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2019, 05:32:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2019, 05:32:09 PM
One thing a former poster raised, is that PP is essentially obsolete since Obamacare.
Fash, put aside abortion or PP for now. Please just focus on this question that I have for you:I'd like to know what your position is when it comes to the underprivileged seeking reproductive health care,including also contraception, pre-natal care, female reproductive issues, male reproductive issues, cervical cancer screenings, family planning, STDs, STIs. Where do you think they should go if they need help with any of these?
Is it possible for you to just address that, please?
I support universal health care whether it be public, private or better yet, a combination of the two.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 04, 2019, 12:49:54 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 04, 2019, 12:49:54 PM
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2019, 08:17:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2019, 08:17:45 PM
The NRA provides gun safety course and hunter education without the public money. PP should be like that.
Title: Re: Abortion
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 08, 2019, 05:33:33 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 08, 2019, 05:33:33 PM
I would not have a problem with PP if they did not receive more than half a bill of taxpayer dollars every year. They have to employ more employees and expensive lobbyists to get that money every year. And of course they use some of that money to campaign for democRAT candidates.Quote from: "Herman"
The NRA provides gun safety course and hunter education without the public money. PP should be like that.
I prefer that this matter is not a partisan issue. People should have a place to go to when they need answers to any reproductive health care questions that they may have.