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Title: Ho Hum.
Post by: Bricktop on May 31, 2019, 07:51:56 PM
ac_boring



Just another day, another mass murder in the Yoo Ess Ay.



11 dead.



Good thing they don't have effective gun control.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Bricktop on May 31, 2019, 10:14:54 PM
No, wait...12 dead.



Meh.



Who cares.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: caskur on May 31, 2019, 10:29:54 PM
I don't care, I don't know them.



Having said that, my heart bleeds for the grieving relatives. They have a long sad journey before them.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Bricktop on May 31, 2019, 11:00:18 PM
But they will at least be able to keep their precious guns.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: caskur on May 31, 2019, 11:09:28 PM
I'd rather be shot than stabbed.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2019, 11:10:51 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"ac_boring



Just another day, another mass murder in the Yoo Ess Ay.



11 dead.



Good thing they don't have effective gun control.

Where?
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Bricktop on June 01, 2019, 12:36:16 AM
Virginia.



In a civil service building.



//https://www.foxnews.com/us/at-least-12-deaths-and-several-injuries-at-virginia-beach-municipal-complex-police-say-shooter-also-dead-reports
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2019, 04:32:21 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Virginia.



In a civil service building.



//https://www.foxnews.com/us/at-least-12-deaths-and-several-injuries-at-virginia-beach-municipal-complex-police-say-shooter-also-dead-reports

Isn't Fash a civil servant. :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: cc on June 01, 2019, 03:35:15 PM
Perp was Professional Engineer



https://twitter.com/HeavySan/status/1134628732566740993/photo/1



Strange ... All major prog networks are showing name but not pic .. why would that be?
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2019, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: "cc"Perp was Professional Engineer



https://twitter.com/HeavySan/status/1134628732566740993/photo/1



Strange ... All major prog networks are showing name but not pic .. why would that be?

That's strange.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Wazzzup on June 01, 2019, 04:27:29 PM
Quote from: "cc"Perp was Professional Engineer



https://twitter.com/HeavySan/status/1134628732566740993/photo/1



Strange ... All major prog networks are showing name but not pic .. why would that be?
They all want to keep people believing that mass shootings are the sole property of white males. They are not (they are mostly men there are a handful of women) and the race of the shooters are more or less reflective of the racial proportions in the US.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Odinson on June 01, 2019, 04:36:56 PM
Maybe he got tired of all the abuse in the public sector.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: cc on June 01, 2019, 05:14:44 PM
QuoteStrange ... All major prog networks are showing name but not pic .. why would that be?
QuoteThey all want to keep people believing that mass shootings are the sole property of white males. They are not (they are mostly men there are a handful of women) and the race of the shooters are more or less reflective of the racial proportions in the US.

Yes. I was aware and being coy  and / or facetious
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2019, 11:33:11 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "cc"Perp was Professional Engineer



https://twitter.com/HeavySan/status/1134628732566740993/photo/1



Strange ... All major prog networks are showing name but not pic .. why would that be?
They all want to keep people believing that mass shootings are the sole property of white males. They are not (they are mostly men there are a handful of women) and the race of the shooters are more or less reflective of the racial proportions in the US.

Negative racial stereotypes are bad in the USA, but encouraged when they are applied to Caucasians.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Bricktop on June 01, 2019, 11:53:40 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "cc"Perp was Professional Engineer



https://twitter.com/HeavySan/status/1134628732566740993/photo/1



Strange ... All major prog networks are showing name but not pic .. why would that be?
They all want to keep people believing that mass shootings are the sole property of white males. They are not (they are mostly men there are a handful of women) and the race of the shooters are more or less reflective of the racial proportions in the US.

Negative racial stereotypes are bad in the USA, but encouraged when they are applied to Caucasians.


Because a racial stereotype is negative, it does not render it fallacious.



Nor does it render it immoral to openly discuss it.



Racial stereotypes are not always concocted from prejudice and hatred.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2019, 12:15:21 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "cc"Perp was Professional Engineer



https://twitter.com/HeavySan/status/1134628732566740993/photo/1



Strange ... All major prog networks are showing name but not pic .. why would that be?
They all want to keep people believing that mass shootings are the sole property of white males. They are not (they are mostly men there are a handful of women) and the race of the shooters are more or less reflective of the racial proportions in the US.

Negative racial stereotypes are bad in the USA, but encouraged when they are applied to Caucasians.


Because a racial stereotype is negative, it does not render it fallacious.



Nor does it render it immoral to openly discuss it.



Racial stereotypes are not always concocted from prejudice and hatred.

Wazzzup and cc are making the case that some sectors of the USA are creating a false racial stereotype of mass murderers.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Bricktop on June 02, 2019, 01:38:47 AM
It does seem to be a white phenomenon...but I haven't researched it.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2019, 01:50:07 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"It does seem to be a white phenomenon...but I haven't researched it.

That's what prog billionaire owned media wants us to believe. It is hogwash.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Bricktop on June 02, 2019, 01:57:43 AM
So who were black mass shooters and serial killers?
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2019, 02:24:03 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"So who were black mass shooters and serial killers?

John Muhammad, Paul Dureauseau, Lorenzo Gilyard, Henry Wallace, Carl Watts, Chester Turner, Eugene Britt, Ivan Hill, Anthony McKnight, and Shelly Brooks. There are at least as many black serial killers and mass murderers as whites. The prog owned media doesn't report on them.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Berry Sweet on June 02, 2019, 03:28:11 AM
Americans are too busy getting their slurpies and chilli fritos, or at costco sucking back a foot long hot dog for 99 cents.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2019, 05:32:05 AM
Quote from: "Berry Sweet"Americans are too busy getting their slurpies and chilli fritos, or at costco sucking back a foot long hot dog for 99 cents.

And shaming and blaming whites. They love that in the states.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: cc on June 02, 2019, 12:59:38 PM
All of the above 2 posts could be said pretty much equally for Canadians


Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Bricktop"So who were black mass shooters and serial killers?

John Muhammad, Paul Dureauseau, Lorenzo Gilyard, Henry Wallace, Carl Watts, Chester Turner, Eugene Britt, Ivan Hill, Anthony McKnight, and Shelly Brooks. There are at least as many black serial killers and mass murderers as whites. The prog owned media doesn't report on them.

That incomplete list alone would require approx. 90 white serial killers just to keep the ratio equally representative  to numbers in society ... and rest assured there would be a picture every time one was mentioned in the press



The prog owned media and progs in general, need the "whitey is bad" prattle to support their agenda



They  desperately cling to it to the point of treating different groups differently .. often "by omission" .. in order to keep appearances suiting their agenda



I'm not out to say any group is worse or better than another - I just like to see actual facts put out there rather than the contrived distortions we get .. in this case  (AND VERY OFTEN)  "by omission"



"Omission" is a powerful tool when misused and the virtually all like-minded team members  follow suit. Blacks are not alone in benefiting from this form of omission - ever notice how long police and press  hold back on islamic names? .. while naming and "pic"ing a whitey ASAP



It has gotten so bad that one knows what group is perp simply by the delay in naming (or in this case pic) of the perp
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Gaon on June 02, 2019, 04:07:41 PM
Quote from: "cc"All of the above 2 posts could be said pretty much equally for Canadians


Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Bricktop"So who were black mass shooters and serial killers?

John Muhammad, Paul Dureauseau, Lorenzo Gilyard, Henry Wallace, Carl Watts, Chester Turner, Eugene Britt, Ivan Hill, Anthony McKnight, and Shelly Brooks. There are at least as many black serial killers and mass murderers as whites. The prog owned media doesn't report on them.

That incomplete list alone would require approx. 90 white serial killers just to keep the ratio equally representative  to numbers in society ... and rest assured there would be a picture every time one was mentioned in the press



The prog owned media and progs in general, need the "whitey is bad" prattle to support their agenda



They  desperately cling to it to the point of treating different groups differently .. often "by omission" .. in order to keep appearances suiting their agenda



I'm not out to say any group is worse or better than another - I just like to see actual facts put out there rather than the contrived distortions we get .. in this case  (AND VERY OFTEN)  "by omission"



"Omission" is a powerful tool when misused and the virtually all like-minded team members  follow suit. Blacks are not alone in benefiting from this form of omission - ever notice how long police and press  hold back on islamic names? .. while naming and "pic"ing a whitey ASAP



It has gotten so bad that one knows what group is perp simply by the delay in naming (or in this case pic) of the perp

Another widespread misconception fostered by the American media, is that only blacks have been killed by on duty police officers.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Wazzzup on June 02, 2019, 04:53:59 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"Because a racial stereotype is negative, it does not render it fallacious.



Nor does it render it immoral to openly discuss it.



Racial stereotypes are not always concocted from prejudice and hatred.
We should always be able to tell the truth no matter what it is.  Unfortunately the truth is often verboten in today's western world.


Quote from: "Gaon"
Another widespread misconception fostered by the American media, is that only blacks have been killed by on duty police officers.

Twice as many whites are shot by police in most years, but the media never covers cops shooting a white guy.


Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Bricktop"So who were black mass shooters and serial killers?

John Muhammad, Paul Dureauseau, Lorenzo Gilyard, Henry Wallace, Carl Watts, Chester Turner, Eugene Britt, Ivan Hill, Anthony McKnight, and Shelly Brooks. There are at least as many black serial killers and mass murderers as whites. The prog owned media doesn't report on them.
That's a good list.  I don't know the stats on the whole thing-- problem is how to define a mass shooting and the other problem is the media doesn't specifically report the race of the offender unless its a white guy.   So it often is unknown to the public.



Snopes actually covered this fairly honestly (for a change)  here

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mass-shootings-in-2018/



I would suspect when it comes to mass shootings its roughly proportionate to population.  The media always says mass shootings are a white guy thing but that is of course deceptive because whites are the majority population in the US.



However, When it comes to non-sensationalized murders which are the majority-- the racial disparity is as follows--



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Murders where Hispanics are the offender are about 2 to 5 times rate of whites and murder where blacks are the offender are multiple times as many (usually somewhere between 6 to 10 times).  the graph doesn't show Asians but Asians rates of murder are at or below white rates. (I have another graph that shows that but this post is already way too long)



Lots of good posts in this thread I wish I could comment on all of them.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Bricktop on June 02, 2019, 07:12:12 PM
So, what your saying is that all guns should be removed from American society.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: cc on June 02, 2019, 09:44:28 PM
UPDATE



The Virginia Beach shooter who killed 12 people (//https) and wounded several others in a municipal complex on Friday had submitted his resignation earlier that morning, officials said Sunday.



The gunman, identified as 40-year-old DeWayne Craddock, was an engineer with the city's public utilities department for 15 years. In a news conference Sunday morning, Virginia Beach City Manager Dave Hansen described the man's work performance as "satisfactory" with no ongoing issues of discipline.



In response to a reporter's question, Hansen said the shooter had notified his chain of command of his intention to quit via email on Friday, hours before the shooting.



Hansen also reiterated that Craddock was not fired or in the process of being fired leading up to the shooting. Police are continuing to investigate a possible motive for the deadly rampage.



Virginia Beach Police Chief James Cervera said that there was no "glaring" motive and no information on whether the gunman was targeting a specific person.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Bricktop on June 02, 2019, 09:56:57 PM
Another nutjob who easily procured "legal" firearms.



When will they learn?
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2019, 11:18:59 PM
Quote from: "cc"UPDATE



The Virginia Beach shooter who killed 12 people (//https) and wounded several others in a municipal complex on Friday had submitted his resignation earlier that morning, officials said Sunday.



The gunman, identified as 40-year-old DeWayne Craddock, was an engineer with the city's public utilities department for 15 years. In a news conference Sunday morning, Virginia Beach City Manager Dave Hansen described the man's work performance as "satisfactory" with no ongoing issues of discipline.



In response to a reporter's question, Hansen said the shooter had notified his chain of command of his intention to quit via email on Friday, hours before the shooting.



Hansen also reiterated that Craddock was not fired or in the process of being fired leading up to the shooting. Police are continuing to investigate a possible motive for the deadly rampage.



Virginia Beach Police Chief James Cervera said that there was no "glaring" motive and no information on whether the gunman was targeting a specific person.

Did you happen to read if he had a history of violent crime cc?
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: cc on June 03, 2019, 10:50:33 AM
He had no obvious criminal history, court records show, only several traffic violations over the years.



It remains to be seen what the suspect was after. City officials declined to discuss a possible motive for the attack, but they did say there was no immediate indication that the gunman had targeted anyone.



a person close to Virginia Beach's city government, who was not authorized to speak publicly, said that the suspect had no history of behavioral problems until recently, when he had begun acting strangely and getting into physical "scuffles" with other city workers.



The person said that tensions had escalated in the past week, adding that the man had gotten into a violent altercation on city grounds and was told that disciplinary action would be taken.



He had a bachelor of science degree in civil engineering from Old Dominion University in Virginia.



Before his job with the city, the suspect worked for private firms specializing in site planning and infrastructure, and had held a professional engineer license from the state since 2008. One of his hiring notices said that his engineering experience included storm water management and utility design for private and public systems.



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/01/us/dewayne-craddock-virginia.html
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Anonymous on June 03, 2019, 11:09:12 AM
A professional who lost it.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Wazzzup on June 03, 2019, 04:01:21 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"So, what your saying is that all guns should be removed from American society.
  Yeah...



...Hey wait I mean no acc_angry



But seriously I don't believe gun availability is a very big part of criminal behavior.  That is why there are several countries with gun availability similar to the US that have very low murder rates and countries where guns are or were banned or extremely limited where murder rates are/were very high.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Anonymous on June 03, 2019, 04:20:27 PM
Quote from: "cc"He had no obvious criminal history, court records show, only several traffic violations over the years.



It remains to be seen what the suspect was after. City officials declined to discuss a possible motive for the attack, but they did say there was no immediate indication that the gunman had targeted anyone.



a person close to Virginia Beach's city government, who was not authorized to speak publicly, said that the suspect had no history of behavioral problems until recently, when he had begun acting strangely and getting into physical "scuffles" with other city workers.



The person said that tensions had escalated in the past week, adding that the man had gotten into a violent altercation on city grounds and was told that disciplinary action would be taken.



He had a bachelor of science degree in civil engineering from Old Dominion University in Virginia.



Before his job with the city, the suspect worked for private firms specializing in site planning and infrastructure, and had held a professional engineer license from the state since 2008. One of his hiring notices said that his engineering experience included storm water management and utility design for private and public systems.



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/01/us/dewayne-craddock-virginia.html

Was he married with children cc?
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Bricktop on June 03, 2019, 06:53:21 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Bricktop"So, what your saying is that all guns should be removed from American society.
  Yeah...



...Hey wait I mean no acc_angry



But seriously I don't believe gun availability is a very big part of criminal behavior.  That is why there are several countries with gun availability similar to the US that have very low murder rates and countries where guns are or were banned or extremely limited where murder rates are/were very high.


There are countries that have higher murder rates. These are principally, in the words of your very own President, shitholes. However the more important observation is that in the US, the rate of death by firearm far exceeds any other western democratic nation. Comparing yourselves to Brazil, or Colombia is only valid if you compare ALL metrics, such as standard of living, education, economics and so on.



Whilst it can be argued that race is a factor, all that does is highlight the need to remove guns from your society.Fewer guns, fewer deaths.



In a nation as divided and angry as the US, providing guns to your citizens is tantamount to genocide.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Wazzzup on June 03, 2019, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Bricktop"So, what your saying is that all guns should be removed from American society.
  Yeah...



...Hey wait I mean no acc_angry



But seriously I don't believe gun availability is a very big part of criminal behavior.  That is why there are several countries with gun availability similar to the US that have very low murder rates and countries where guns are or were banned or extremely limited where murder rates are/were very high.


There are countries that have higher murder rates. These are principally, in the words of your very own President, shitholes. However the more important observation is that in the US, the rate of death by firearm far exceeds any other western democratic nation. Comparing yourselves to Brazil, or Colombia is only valid if you compare ALL metrics, such as standard of living, education, economics and so on.





In a nation as divided and angry as the US, providing guns to your citizens is tantamount to genocide.



I think the third world distinction is somewhat arbitrary-- there are many third world countries with low murder rates. some of them with easy access to firearms, I don't have time to hunt them all down.  One is thailand, another is Egypt, but both have a lower murder rate than the US but fairly lax laws with firearms.  



And there are several countries with lax firearm laws like Iceland, and Switzerland that have lower homicide rates than Australia.    



----



Chalk it all up (there's plenty more where that came from) and there is very little correlation between gun availability and murder rates in a country-- its clear other factors are far far more significant.

----



BTW in 2018 --11,000 people were murdered in the US with a gun while 1,250,000 died in car accidents---people were 118 times more likely to die in a car accident than be murdered with a gun.  



Driving an automobile is 118 times as genocidal as guns.  Maybe we need car control?
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Anonymous on June 03, 2019, 11:03:55 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Bricktop"So, what your saying is that all guns should be removed from American society.
  Yeah...



...Hey wait I mean no acc_angry



But seriously I don't believe gun availability is a very big part of criminal behavior.  That is why there are several countries with gun availability similar to the US that have very low murder rates and countries where guns are or were banned or extremely limited where murder rates are/were very high.


There are countries that have higher murder rates. These are principally, in the words of your very own President, shitholes. However the more important observation is that in the US, the rate of death by firearm far exceeds any other western democratic nation. Comparing yourselves to Brazil, or Colombia is only valid if you compare ALL metrics, such as standard of living, education, economics and so on.





In a nation as divided and angry as the US, providing guns to your citizens is tantamount to genocide.



I think the third world distinction is somewhat arbitrary-- there are many third world countries with low murder rates. some of them with easy access to firearms, I don't have time to hunt them all down.  One is thailand which has a lower murder rate than the US but fairly lax laws with firearms.  



And there are several countries with lax firearm laws like Iceland, and Switzerland that have lower homicide rates than Australia.    



----



Chalk it all up (there's plenty more where that came from) and there is very little correlation between gun availability and murder rates in a country-- its clear other factors are far far more significant.

----



BTW in 2018 --11,000 people were murdered in the US while 1,250,000 died in car accidents---people were 118 times more likely to die in a car accident than be murdered with a gun.  



Driving an automobile is 118 times as genocidal as guns.  Maybe we need car control?

The reasons for the differences in homicide rates are complex, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Bricktop on June 04, 2019, 01:27:03 AM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
I think the third world distinction is somewhat arbitrary-- there are many third world countries with low murder rates. some of them with easy access to firearms, I don't have time to hunt them all down.  One is thailand, another is Egypt, but both have a lower murder rate than the US but fairly lax laws with firearms.  



And there are several countries with lax firearm laws like Iceland, and Switzerland that have lower homicide rates than Australia.    



----



Chalk it all up (there's plenty more where that came from) and there is very little correlation between gun availability and murder rates in a country-- its clear other factors are far far more significant.

----



BTW in 2018 --11,000 people were murdered in the US with a gun while 1,250,000 died in car accidents---people were 118 times more likely to die in a car accident than be murdered with a gun.  



Driving an automobile is 118 times as genocidal as guns.  Maybe we need car control?


Right.



So the solution to dealing with an intrinsically divided and violent society is....to add MORE guns!!!



OK. I got it.



I guess those people sitting at their desks going about their daily responsibilities should have been packing.



Is that the country you want to live in?
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Frood on June 04, 2019, 04:28:25 AM
More evidence that the state can't keep anyone safe from the lone wolves so they instead make it easier for defenceless people to get injured or killed by lone wolves, because dead people can't vote any longer and citizens aren't smart enough to leave their State mandated cages.



But my oh my, listen to the authoritarian cucks like Bricktop crow.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Odinson on June 04, 2019, 02:55:57 PM
I think the current "you are special" politics are causing these massacres.





Like that Elliot Rodgers fella.





He got rejected and that gave him license to start taking lives..





"its not me, its the others" mentality.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Anonymous on June 04, 2019, 03:00:23 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"I think the current "you are special" politics are causing these massacres.





Like that Elliot Rodgers fella.





He got rejected and that gave him license to start taking lives..





"its not me, its the others" mentality.

How is that the root cause of massacres in the USA Odi?
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Odinson on June 04, 2019, 03:29:21 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"I think the current "you are special" politics are causing these massacres.





Like that Elliot Rodgers fella.





He got rejected and that gave him license to start taking lives..





"its not me, its the others" mentality.

How is that the root cause of massacres in the USA Odi?


These massacres are really selfish acts..





Just because your own life sucks, you got the right to harm others.







Even the justice-system is feeding this mental illness.



A murderer gets treated light because his life sucks.







Being self-centered and "special" is the current trend.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Anonymous on June 04, 2019, 03:35:08 PM
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"I think the current "you are special" politics are causing these massacres.





Like that Elliot Rodgers fella.





He got rejected and that gave him license to start taking lives..





"its not me, its the others" mentality.

How is that the root cause of massacres in the USA Odi?


These massacres are really selfish acts..





Just because your own life sucks, you got the right to harm others.







Even the justice-system is feeding this mental illness.



A murderer gets treated light because his life sucks.







Being self-centered and "special" is the current trend.

There has always been mass murderers, but there does seem to be an increase in massacres, and not just in the USA..



I don't know about the special or selfish angles, but I'm open to the possibility that it could be at least partly responsible.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Wazzzup on June 04, 2019, 05:03:31 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"I think the current "you are special" politics are causing these massacres.





Like that Elliot Rodgers fella.





He got rejected and that gave him license to start taking lives..





"its not me, its the others" mentality.

How is that the root cause of massacres in the USA Odi?


These massacres are really selfish acts..





Just because your own life sucks, you got the right to harm others.







Even the justice-system is feeding this mental illness.



A murderer gets treated light because his life sucks.







Being self-centered and "special" is the current trend.

There has always been mass murderers, but there does seem to be an increase in massacres, and not just in the USA..



I don't know about the special or selfish angles, but I'm open to the possibility that it could be at least partly responsible.

I don;'t think its selfshness per se.  I think its anger at the world.  Somebody is depressed to the point of suicide.  Most in that situation would just kill themselves only.  But some people who feel like the world has ripped them off, and they want to get even, will take others with them in an act of revenge, against specific people or humanity in general.  



I also believe there is a fame angle to this too.  Shoot up a place and you become front page news all across the country.  And an imitation aspect as well.  People see others do this and they are more likely to do it themselves.
Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Anonymous on June 04, 2019, 05:13:28 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Odinson"I think the current "you are special" politics are causing these massacres.





Like that Elliot Rodgers fella.





He got rejected and that gave him license to start taking lives..





"its not me, its the others" mentality.

How is that the root cause of massacres in the USA Odi?


These massacres are really selfish acts..





Just because your own life sucks, you got the right to harm others.







Even the justice-system is feeding this mental illness.



A murderer gets treated light because his life sucks.







Being self-centered and "special" is the current trend.

There has always been mass murderers, but there does seem to be an increase in massacres, and not just in the USA..



I don't know about the special or selfish angles, but I'm open to the possibility that it could be at least partly responsible.

I don;'t think its selfshness per se.  I think its anger at the world.  Somebody is depressed to the point of suicide.  Most in that situation would just kill themselves only.  But some people who feel like the world has ripped them off, and they want to get even, will take others with them in an act of revenge, against specific people or humanity in general.  



I also believe there is a fame angle to this too.  Shoot up a place and you become front page news all across the country.  And an imitation aspect as well.  People see others do this and they are more likely to do it themselves.

Those reasons seem very plausible Wazzzup.

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Title: Re: Ho Hum.
Post by: Odinson on June 04, 2019, 07:37:47 PM
That too.. Wanting to be in the history books..



But the usual motive seems to be social rejection...





And a rather high opinion of themselves.
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