THeBlueCashew

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Bricktop"What antiquated, idiotic bullshit.



What's next. Restoring the monarchy?

Believe it or not, some folks think the same thing about your stance on guns  :laugh:



Fuck the monarchy, thats why the colonials fought the British, that would be going backwards.



Dude, it was only a lil over 200 years ago, thats not long. Tyranny is still at foot! I count my lucky stars Hiliar Clinton did not get elected.

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Bricktop"What antiquated, idiotic bullshit.



What's next. Restoring the monarchy?

Believe it or not, some folks think the same thing about your stance on guns  :laugh:



Fuck the monarchy, thats why the colonials fought the British, that would be going backwards.



Dude, it was only a lil over 200 years ago, thats not long. Tyranny is still at foot! I count my lucky stars Hiliar Clinton did not get elected.

There are many people who feel Trudeau is eroding their civil liberties..



I don't know how owning several firearms could prevent that.

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Bricktop"What antiquated, idiotic bullshit.



What's next. Restoring the monarchy?

Believe it or not, some folks think the same thing about your stance on guns  :laugh:



Fuck the monarchy, thats why the colonials fought the British, that would be going backwards.



Dude, it was only a lil over 200 years ago, thats not long. Tyranny is still at foot! I count my lucky stars Hiliar Clinton did not get elected.

There are many people who feel Trudeau is eroding their civil liberties..



I don't know how owning several firearms could prevent that.

Quote from: "seoulbro"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Bricktop"What antiquated, idiotic bullshit.



What's next. Restoring the monarchy?

Believe it or not, some folks think the same thing about your stance on guns  :laugh:



Fuck the monarchy, thats why the colonials fought the British, that would be going backwards.



Dude, it was only a lil over 200 years ago, thats not long. Tyranny is still at foot! I count my lucky stars Hiliar Clinton did not get elected.

There are many people who feel Trudeau is eroding their civil liberties..



I don't know how owning several firearms could prevent that.

Canadians let government trample their liberty.

Quote from: "Wulf"Let's look at this issue by the numbers and see what's what.



When we talk about firearms crime, there is a LOT of misinformation and ... outright lies told by the gun grabbing left.



For the left, gun control is a means to an end, a way to gain power. Not a way to save lives as they would have you believe and it never was. This is one of the reasons their programs fail. They don't really want to stop shootings but rather use them to retain power and expand upon it by spreading fear and divisiveness. This is just one of the ways they constantly ratchet up levels of legislation, in layer upon layer, in a despotic attempt to intrude upon and control every facet of your miserable little lives.



Here are the facts that they choose to ignore. They are also the facts that they don't want you to know or analyze.



There are approximately 120,000,000 gun owners in the US. They are the majority of voting adults.



53% of all shootings are by black men under 30. So, 3% of the US population does more than 1/2 the killing. 83% of all shootings are gang and drug-related.



Only about 7% of all shootings are from a rifle or shotgun and less than 40% of that 7% involve Modern Sporting Rifles (what the anti-gun crowd likes to erroneously call "assault weapons".)



The U.S. ranks 11th in mass shootings for industrialized nations. 50% of the counties in the US will not have a murder within their boundary in any given year. 2% of the counties had 53% of all the murders in the U.S. Study the demographics and socioeconomic situation and you correlate as to why.



Both Japan and Korea have much higher suicide rates than the US. Both nations virtually ban private gun ownership. 75% of all gun deaths are attributed to suicide. Guns are not the cause, just the means.



U.S. Numbers averaged from the FBI Uniform Crime Reports.



https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr/publications



Total Number of gun deaths per year: 38,000

Suicides: 28,500

Gang and Drug: 7,885

Remaining: 1,615



If not for gangs and drugs, the number of murders by guns is below 1,700 in a country of 330,000,000 people. Remove the gangs and drugs, and the US is one of the SAFEST countries in the world.



Now this does not diminish a tragedy of when some lunatic comes unglued and goes on a killing spree but it does give clarity and perspective to the actual problem which is not guns but rather gang and drug related violence.



These numbers and facts are all there in the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, which BTW should be the only information we should be using to discuss this issue. All other information that does not quote or reflect the FBI statistics should be considered tainted.



BTW, hello to everyone as it has been awhile since I have been around. I do occassionaly view this place but find little time to participate. Things may be changing in the future and I would like to find myself here more, but like everything in life, there are no guarantees.

Quote from: "Bricktop"Always welcomed, Wulfie...nice to see you.

Quote from: "Bricktop"That's very odd.



Why would owning a firearm make one "proud"?



Does one feel pride owning a power saw? Or a lawnmower?

Quote from: "Wulf"
Total Number of gun deaths per year: 38,000

Suicides: 28,500

Gang and Drug: 7,885

Remaining: 1,615



If not for gangs and drugs, the number of murders by guns is below 1,700 in a country of 330,000,000 people. Remove the gangs and drugs, and the US is one of the SAFEST countries in the world.

Quote from: "sasquatch"

Quote from: "Bricktop"That's very odd.



Why would owning a firearm make one "proud"?



Does one feel pride owning a power saw? Or a lawnmower?

you would be surprised how many people are prideful about owning a power saw or a lawnmower-especially when they are new.

Quote from: "sasquatch"

Quote from: "Bricktop"That's very odd.



Why would owning a firearm make one "proud"?



Does one feel pride owning a power saw? Or a lawnmower?

you would be surprised how many people are prideful about owning a power saw or a lawnmower-especially when they are new.

Quote from: "Odinson"I have a Dewalt hedge trimmer and a Dewalt string trimmer.. They are new.



My neighbors garden tools are Ryobi..





My tools are superior.





Great success.

Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "Wulf"
Total Number of gun deaths per year: 38,000

Suicides: 28,500

Gang and Drug: 7,885

Remaining: 1,615



If not for gangs and drugs, the number of murders by guns is below 1,700 in a country of 330,000,000 people. Remove the gangs and drugs, and the US is one of the SAFEST countries in the world.

And IF your grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle.



So, if I read your data correctly, if you don't do drugs and don't belong to a gang, you have no need for a weapon. So, the argument for self defence is void.



If you ARE a member of a gang, or have convictions for drug dealing, aren't you forbidden from owning or possessing a firearm?



So, where do these gang and drug industry firearms come from? Is there a special factory that manufactures guns just for bad people? How do they get their hands on full auto firearms, which I believe are illegal?

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "Wulf"
Total Number of gun deaths per year: 38,000

Suicides: 28,500

Gang and Drug: 7,885

Remaining: 1,615



If not for gangs and drugs, the number of murders by guns is below 1,700 in a country of 330,000,000 people. Remove the gangs and drugs, and the US is one of the SAFEST countries in the world.

And IF your grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle.



So, if I read your data correctly, if you don't do drugs and don't belong to a gang, you have no need for a weapon. So, the argument for self defence is void.



If you ARE a member of a gang, or have convictions for drug dealing, aren't you forbidden from owning or possessing a firearm?



So, where do these gang and drug industry firearms come from? Is there a special factory that manufactures guns just for bad people? How do they get their hands on full auto firearms, which I believe are illegal?

Brick, brick, brick, you are not paying attention! A lot of these questions have been answered.



You are dodging a lot of other questions too btw.



Like that pic I showed you, of how our police are trained to shoot at kids and such, around the time 2 billion rounds were purchased. Would that not bother you if you lived in a country that was known to kill its citizens?



Btw, there is also a law, that legally allows the government to kill up to a certain number of citizens, was made in the 70s I believe. Was up to 2000-5000 or some shit back then. Im sure the number is higher now. I use to be able to find it, but now its been scrubbed from the net, like a lot of other info I knew before.

Quote from: "Zetsu"I believe the problem is when everyone can easily purchase guns, then so can criminals, and in the end it doesn't solve the problem but just creates a vicious cycle.  IIRC a lot of gangs in Canada illegally obtain their guns from the US.

Quote from: "Bricktop"There are as yet undiscovered tribes in the heart of the Peruvian jungle that knew you'd raise that issue.



The fact that people are murdered by a range of implements is NOT the issue.



However, since you raise it, how many people died as a result of knife related injuries in the last 12 months compared to firearms? I would guess less than 1% of gun deaths.



When is the last time a knife wielder killed 22 people in less than a minute?

Quote from: "Bricktop"Oh, by the way, police have been using diverse target cutouts for years. They are often used as decoys.



This is because the earlier silhouettes were of white males.

Quote from: "Zetsu"I believe the problem is when everyone can easily purchase guns, then so can criminals, and in the end it doesn't solve the problem but just creates a vicious cycle.  IIRC a lot of gangs in Canada illegally obtain their guns from the US.

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "Wulf"
Total Number of gun deaths per year: 38,000

Suicides: 28,500

Gang and Drug: 7,885

Remaining: 1,615



If not for gangs and drugs, the number of murders by guns is below 1,700 in a country of 330,000,000 people. Remove the gangs and drugs, and the US is one of the SAFEST countries in the world.

And IF your grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle.



So, if I read your data correctly, if you don't do drugs and don't belong to a gang, you have no need for a weapon. So, the argument for self defence is void.



If you ARE a member of a gang, or have convictions for drug dealing, aren't you forbidden from owning or possessing a firearm?



So, where do these gang and drug industry firearms come from? Is there a special factory that manufactures guns just for bad people? How do they get their hands on full auto firearms, which I believe are illegal?

Brick, brick, brick, you are not paying attention! A lot of these questions have been answered.



You are dodging a lot of other questions too btw.



Like that pic I showed you, of how our police are trained to shoot at kids and such, around the time 2 billion rounds were purchased. Would that not bother you if you lived in a country that was known to kill its citizens?



Btw, there is also a law, that legally allows the government to kill up to a certain number of citizens, was made in the 70s I believe. Was up to 2000-5000 or some shit back then. Im sure the number is higher now. I use to be able to find it, but now its been scrubbed from the net, like a lot of other info I knew before.

Hong Kong's SDU(Special Duties Unit), basically their swat train their police using the same method, don't let the impression of innocence fool ya.

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Bricktop"Oh, by the way, police have been using diverse target cutouts for years. They are often used as decoys.



This is because the earlier silhouettes were of white males.

Can you show me an example?



I know those "no hesitation" targets came about under Obama's rule.

Quote from: "Odinson"But in real live situation you can plant a gun on the dead hostages right hand and a pack of cocaine on the left hand.







Its all good.

Quote from: "seoulbro"While the attacks are similar, the response from liberals and leftists has been anything but.



Democratic presidential candidates Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders succinctly condemned white nationalism — the ideology espoused by the El Paso shooter in his purported 2,300-word manifesto.



However, when it comes to condemning the Dayton shooter's militant far-left views, all remain mum. Others, such as anti-police activist Shaun King, even claimed the Dayton shooter targeted blacks in a hate crime, though ­racism doesn't appear to have been a component of his twisted worldview.



While Betts, the Dayton shooter, didn't leave behind a manifesto, his extensive social-media footprint provides clues as to what may have inspired him. Federal investigators announced Tuesday that they are looking into his exploration of violent ideologies.



Betts had long expressed support for antifa accounts, causes and individuals. That would be the loose network of militant leftist activists who physically attack anyone to the right of Mao in the name of "anti-fascism." In particular, Betts promoted extreme hatred of American border enforcement.



"Kill every fascist," the shooter declared in 2018 on twitter, echoing a rallying cry of antifa ideologues. Over the next year, his tweets became increasingly violent. "Nazis deserve death and nothing else," he tweeted last October. Betts frequently flung the label "Nazi" at those with whom he disagreed online.



By December, he reached out on Twitter to the Socialist Rifle ­Association, an antifa gun group, to comment about bump stocks, and the SRA responded to him. (A bump stock is an attachment for semiautomatic rifles that allow them to fire much faster.)



In the months leading to his rampage, Betts expressed a longing for climactic confrontation. In ­response to an essay by Intercept writer Mehdi Hassan titled, "Yes, Let's Defeat or Impeach Trump—but What If He Doesn't Leave the White House?" the shooter wrote: "Arm, train, prepare."



By June he tweeted: "I want socialism, and I'll not wait for the idiots to finally come round understanding." Last week, he promoted posts that demonized Sens. Ted Cruz and Bill Cassidy's resolution against antifa extremism.



America's historical and contemporary struggles with fringe far-right violence has provided politicians, leaders and media with blueprints to identify and confront that form of extremism. The national unity in rejecting violent white-nationalist ideologues like James Fields and Dylan Roof are emblematic of America's resolve against the far right.



SEE ALSO

 

Dayton shooter embraced 'violent ideologies' before massacre: authorities

The unanimous rejection of the El Paso shooter's beliefs, including by President Trump, once more demonstrated the nation's resolve against hard-right hate. Yet when it comes to far-left violent extremism, there is a gaping blind spot in the mainstream discourse, and we are less safe because of it.



Beyond banal condemnations of violence, politicians and leaders must work to uproot far-left militant beliefs from mainstream politics. The Dayton shooter promoted the same virulently anti-law-enforcement rhetoric that too many mainstream figures on the left flirt with. And yet it was courageous police officers who finally ended his carnage when they shot and killed him outside the Ned Peppers Bar in Dayton's entertainment district.



His case also makes clear that antifa's violence goes far beyond the street hooliganism it has become infamous for. The group espouses the belief that liberal democracy is irredeemably oppressive — fascistic, even — and must be thoroughly destroyed.



Hence, acts of extreme violence against individuals, property and the state are seen as stepping stones, bringing us closer to the collapse of society and a new, more just societal order. As anyone familiar with 20th-century history knows, apocalyptic ideas of this kind won't stop with street thuggery.



Last month, an antifa militant firebombed an Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility in Tacoma, Wash. Police say Willem van Spronsen was killed after he aimed a rifle at them during the attack. His gun had apparently malfunctioned before he could fire. In his manifesto, he called for his "comrades" to take up arms in confronting the ascendant fascism of the state. In one of Betts' tweets ­before he extinguished the lives of nine fellow Americans, he responded to a person asking if van Spronsen had been a "villain or martyr?"



Betts flatly replied: "martyr."

https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/



The media tried to hide the fact the Dayton shooter was inspired by left wing extremism. Will this be counted as a left wing hate crime? Not a chance.

Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "seoulbro"While the attacks are similar, the response from liberals and leftists has been anything but.



Democratic presidential candidates Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders succinctly condemned white nationalism — the ideology espoused by the El Paso shooter in his purported 2,300-word manifesto.



However, when it comes to condemning the Dayton shooter's militant far-left views, all remain mum. Others, such as anti-police activist Shaun King, even claimed the Dayton shooter targeted blacks in a hate crime, though ­racism doesn't appear to have been a component of his twisted worldview.



While Betts, the Dayton shooter, didn't leave behind a manifesto, his extensive social-media footprint provides clues as to what may have inspired him. Federal investigators announced Tuesday that they are looking into his exploration of violent ideologies.



Betts had long expressed support for antifa accounts, causes and individuals. That would be the loose network of militant leftist activists who physically attack anyone to the right of Mao in the name of "anti-fascism." In particular, Betts promoted extreme hatred of American border enforcement.



"Kill every fascist," the shooter declared in 2018 on twitter, echoing a rallying cry of antifa ideologues. Over the next year, his tweets became increasingly violent. "Nazis deserve death and nothing else," he tweeted last October. Betts frequently flung the label "Nazi" at those with whom he disagreed online.



By December, he reached out on Twitter to the Socialist Rifle ­Association, an antifa gun group, to comment about bump stocks, and the SRA responded to him. (A bump stock is an attachment for semiautomatic rifles that allow them to fire much faster.)



In the months leading to his rampage, Betts expressed a longing for climactic confrontation. In ­response to an essay by Intercept writer Mehdi Hassan titled, "Yes, Let's Defeat or Impeach Trump—but What If He Doesn't Leave the White House?" the shooter wrote: "Arm, train, prepare."



By June he tweeted: "I want socialism, and I'll not wait for the idiots to finally come round understanding." Last week, he promoted posts that demonized Sens. Ted Cruz and Bill Cassidy's resolution against antifa extremism.



America's historical and contemporary struggles with fringe far-right violence has provided politicians, leaders and media with blueprints to identify and confront that form of extremism. The national unity in rejecting violent white-nationalist ideologues like James Fields and Dylan Roof are emblematic of America's resolve against the far right.



SEE ALSO

 

Dayton shooter embraced 'violent ideologies' before massacre: authorities

The unanimous rejection of the El Paso shooter's beliefs, including by President Trump, once more demonstrated the nation's resolve against hard-right hate. Yet when it comes to far-left violent extremism, there is a gaping blind spot in the mainstream discourse, and we are less safe because of it.



Beyond banal condemnations of violence, politicians and leaders must work to uproot far-left militant beliefs from mainstream politics. The Dayton shooter promoted the same virulently anti-law-enforcement rhetoric that too many mainstream figures on the left flirt with. And yet it was courageous police officers who finally ended his carnage when they shot and killed him outside the Ned Peppers Bar in Dayton's entertainment district.



His case also makes clear that antifa's violence goes far beyond the street hooliganism it has become infamous for. The group espouses the belief that liberal democracy is irredeemably oppressive — fascistic, even — and must be thoroughly destroyed.



Hence, acts of extreme violence against individuals, property and the state are seen as stepping stones, bringing us closer to the collapse of society and a new, more just societal order. As anyone familiar with 20th-century history knows, apocalyptic ideas of this kind won't stop with street thuggery.



Last month, an antifa militant firebombed an Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility in Tacoma, Wash. Police say Willem van Spronsen was killed after he aimed a rifle at them during the attack. His gun had apparently malfunctioned before he could fire. In his manifesto, he called for his "comrades" to take up arms in confronting the ascendant fascism of the state. In one of Betts' tweets ­before he extinguished the lives of nine fellow Americans, he responded to a person asking if van Spronsen had been a "villain or martyr?"



Betts flatly replied: "martyr."

https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/



The media tried to hide the fact the Dayton shooter was inspired by left wing extremism. Will this be counted as a left wing hate crime? Not a chance.

I watched CBC news after work. The panel was talking about the anti-immigrant views of the El Paso shooter, but the extremist motives of the Dayton shooter was not mentioned once.

Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "seoulbro"While the attacks are similar, the response from liberals and leftists has been anything but.



Democratic presidential candidates Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders succinctly condemned white nationalism — the ideology espoused by the El Paso shooter in his purported 2,300-word manifesto.



However, when it comes to condemning the Dayton shooter's militant far-left views, all remain mum. Others, such as anti-police activist Shaun King, even claimed the Dayton shooter targeted blacks in a hate crime, though ­racism doesn't appear to have been a component of his twisted worldview.



While Betts, the Dayton shooter, didn't leave behind a manifesto, his extensive social-media footprint provides clues as to what may have inspired him. Federal investigators announced Tuesday that they are looking into his exploration of violent ideologies.



Betts had long expressed support for antifa accounts, causes and individuals. That would be the loose network of militant leftist activists who physically attack anyone to the right of Mao in the name of "anti-fascism." In particular, Betts promoted extreme hatred of American border enforcement.



"Kill every fascist," the shooter declared in 2018 on twitter, echoing a rallying cry of antifa ideologues. Over the next year, his tweets became increasingly violent. "Nazis deserve death and nothing else," he tweeted last October. Betts frequently flung the label "Nazi" at those with whom he disagreed online.



By December, he reached out on Twitter to the Socialist Rifle ­Association, an antifa gun group, to comment about bump stocks, and the SRA responded to him. (A bump stock is an attachment for semiautomatic rifles that allow them to fire much faster.)



In the months leading to his rampage, Betts expressed a longing for climactic confrontation. In ­response to an essay by Intercept writer Mehdi Hassan titled, "Yes, Let's Defeat or Impeach Trump—but What If He Doesn't Leave the White House?" the shooter wrote: "Arm, train, prepare."



By June he tweeted: "I want socialism, and I'll not wait for the idiots to finally come round understanding." Last week, he promoted posts that demonized Sens. Ted Cruz and Bill Cassidy's resolution against antifa extremism.



America's historical and contemporary struggles with fringe far-right violence has provided politicians, leaders and media with blueprints to identify and confront that form of extremism. The national unity in rejecting violent white-nationalist ideologues like James Fields and Dylan Roof are emblematic of America's resolve against the far right.



SEE ALSO

 

Dayton shooter embraced 'violent ideologies' before massacre: authorities

The unanimous rejection of the El Paso shooter's beliefs, including by President Trump, once more demonstrated the nation's resolve against hard-right hate. Yet when it comes to far-left violent extremism, there is a gaping blind spot in the mainstream discourse, and we are less safe because of it.



Beyond banal condemnations of violence, politicians and leaders must work to uproot far-left militant beliefs from mainstream politics. The Dayton shooter promoted the same virulently anti-law-enforcement rhetoric that too many mainstream figures on the left flirt with. And yet it was courageous police officers who finally ended his carnage when they shot and killed him outside the Ned Peppers Bar in Dayton's entertainment district.



His case also makes clear that antifa's violence goes far beyond the street hooliganism it has become infamous for. The group espouses the belief that liberal democracy is irredeemably oppressive — fascistic, even — and must be thoroughly destroyed.



Hence, acts of extreme violence against individuals, property and the state are seen as stepping stones, bringing us closer to the collapse of society and a new, more just societal order. As anyone familiar with 20th-century history knows, apocalyptic ideas of this kind won't stop with street thuggery.



Last month, an antifa militant firebombed an Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility in Tacoma, Wash. Police say Willem van Spronsen was killed after he aimed a rifle at them during the attack. His gun had apparently malfunctioned before he could fire. In his manifesto, he called for his "comrades" to take up arms in confronting the ascendant fascism of the state. In one of Betts' tweets ­before he extinguished the lives of nine fellow Americans, he responded to a person asking if van Spronsen had been a "villain or martyr?"



Betts flatly replied: "martyr."

https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/



The media tried to hide the fact the Dayton shooter was inspired by left wing extremism. Will this be counted as a left wing hate crime? Not a chance.

I watched CBC news after work. The panel was talking about the anti-immigrant views of the El Paso shooter, but the extremist motives of the Dayton shooter was not mentioned once.

Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "seoulbro"While the attacks are similar, the response from liberals and leftists has been anything but.



Democratic presidential candidates Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders succinctly condemned white nationalism — the ideology espoused by the El Paso shooter in his purported 2,300-word manifesto.



However, when it comes to condemning the Dayton shooter's militant far-left views, all remain mum. Others, such as anti-police activist Shaun King, even claimed the Dayton shooter targeted blacks in a hate crime, though ­racism doesn't appear to have been a component of his twisted worldview.



While Betts, the Dayton shooter, didn't leave behind a manifesto, his extensive social-media footprint provides clues as to what may have inspired him. Federal investigators announced Tuesday that they are looking into his exploration of violent ideologies.



Betts had long expressed support for antifa accounts, causes and individuals. That would be the loose network of militant leftist activists who physically attack anyone to the right of Mao in the name of "anti-fascism." In particular, Betts promoted extreme hatred of American border enforcement.



"Kill every fascist," the shooter declared in 2018 on twitter, echoing a rallying cry of antifa ideologues. Over the next year, his tweets became increasingly violent. "Nazis deserve death and nothing else," he tweeted last October. Betts frequently flung the label "Nazi" at those with whom he disagreed online.



By December, he reached out on Twitter to the Socialist Rifle ­Association, an antifa gun group, to comment about bump stocks, and the SRA responded to him. (A bump stock is an attachment for semiautomatic rifles that allow them to fire much faster.)



In the months leading to his rampage, Betts expressed a longing for climactic confrontation. In ­response to an essay by Intercept writer Mehdi Hassan titled, "Yes, Let's Defeat or Impeach Trump—but What If He Doesn't Leave the White House?" the shooter wrote: "Arm, train, prepare."



By June he tweeted: "I want socialism, and I'll not wait for the idiots to finally come round understanding." Last week, he promoted posts that demonized Sens. Ted Cruz and Bill Cassidy's resolution against antifa extremism.



America's historical and contemporary struggles with fringe far-right violence has provided politicians, leaders and media with blueprints to identify and confront that form of extremism. The national unity in rejecting violent white-nationalist ideologues like James Fields and Dylan Roof are emblematic of America's resolve against the far right.



SEE ALSO

 

Dayton shooter embraced 'violent ideologies' before massacre: authorities

The unanimous rejection of the El Paso shooter's beliefs, including by President Trump, once more demonstrated the nation's resolve against hard-right hate. Yet when it comes to far-left violent extremism, there is a gaping blind spot in the mainstream discourse, and we are less safe because of it.



Beyond banal condemnations of violence, politicians and leaders must work to uproot far-left militant beliefs from mainstream politics. The Dayton shooter promoted the same virulently anti-law-enforcement rhetoric that too many mainstream figures on the left flirt with. And yet it was courageous police officers who finally ended his carnage when they shot and killed him outside the Ned Peppers Bar in Dayton's entertainment district.



His case also makes clear that antifa's violence goes far beyond the street hooliganism it has become infamous for. The group espouses the belief that liberal democracy is irredeemably oppressive — fascistic, even — and must be thoroughly destroyed.



Hence, acts of extreme violence against individuals, property and the state are seen as stepping stones, bringing us closer to the collapse of society and a new, more just societal order. As anyone familiar with 20th-century history knows, apocalyptic ideas of this kind won't stop with street thuggery.



Last month, an antifa militant firebombed an Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility in Tacoma, Wash. Police say Willem van Spronsen was killed after he aimed a rifle at them during the attack. His gun had apparently malfunctioned before he could fire. In his manifesto, he called for his "comrades" to take up arms in confronting the ascendant fascism of the state. In one of Betts' tweets ­before he extinguished the lives of nine fellow Americans, he responded to a person asking if van Spronsen had been a "villain or martyr?"



Betts flatly replied: "martyr."

https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/



The media tried to hide the fact the Dayton shooter was inspired by left wing extremism. Will this be counted as a left wing hate crime? Not a chance.

I watched CBC news after work. The panel was talking about the anti-immigrant views of the El Paso shooter, but the extremist motives of the Dayton shooter was not mentioned once.

Quote from: "sasquatch"

Quote from: "Gaon"

Quote from: "seoulbro"While the attacks are similar, the response from liberals and leftists has been anything but.



Democratic presidential candidates Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders succinctly condemned white nationalism — the ideology espoused by the El Paso shooter in his purported 2,300-word manifesto.



However, when it comes to condemning the Dayton shooter's militant far-left views, all remain mum. Others, such as anti-police activist Shaun King, even claimed the Dayton shooter targeted blacks in a hate crime, though ­racism doesn't appear to have been a component of his twisted worldview.



While Betts, the Dayton shooter, didn't leave behind a manifesto, his extensive social-media footprint provides clues as to what may have inspired him. Federal investigators announced Tuesday that they are looking into his exploration of violent ideologies.



Betts had long expressed support for antifa accounts, causes and individuals. That would be the loose network of militant leftist activists who physically attack anyone to the right of Mao in the name of "anti-fascism." In particular, Betts promoted extreme hatred of American border enforcement.



"Kill every fascist," the shooter declared in 2018 on twitter, echoing a rallying cry of antifa ideologues. Over the next year, his tweets became increasingly violent. "Nazis deserve death and nothing else," he tweeted last October. Betts frequently flung the label "Nazi" at those with whom he disagreed online.



By December, he reached out on Twitter to the Socialist Rifle ­Association, an antifa gun group, to comment about bump stocks, and the SRA responded to him. (A bump stock is an attachment for semiautomatic rifles that allow them to fire much faster.)



In the months leading to his rampage, Betts expressed a longing for climactic confrontation. In ­response to an essay by Intercept writer Mehdi Hassan titled, "Yes, Let's Defeat or Impeach Trump—but What If He Doesn't Leave the White House?" the shooter wrote: "Arm, train, prepare."



By June he tweeted: "I want socialism, and I'll not wait for the idiots to finally come round understanding." Last week, he promoted posts that demonized Sens. Ted Cruz and Bill Cassidy's resolution against antifa extremism.



America's historical and contemporary struggles with fringe far-right violence has provided politicians, leaders and media with blueprints to identify and confront that form of extremism. The national unity in rejecting violent white-nationalist ideologues like James Fields and Dylan Roof are emblematic of America's resolve against the far right.



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Dayton shooter embraced 'violent ideologies' before massacre: authorities

The unanimous rejection of the El Paso shooter's beliefs, including by President Trump, once more demonstrated the nation's resolve against hard-right hate. Yet when it comes to far-left violent extremism, there is a gaping blind spot in the mainstream discourse, and we are less safe because of it.



Beyond banal condemnations of violence, politicians and leaders must work to uproot far-left militant beliefs from mainstream politics. The Dayton shooter promoted the same virulently anti-law-enforcement rhetoric that too many mainstream figures on the left flirt with. And yet it was courageous police officers who finally ended his carnage when they shot and killed him outside the Ned Peppers Bar in Dayton's entertainment district.



His case also makes clear that antifa's violence goes far beyond the street hooliganism it has become infamous for. The group espouses the belief that liberal democracy is irredeemably oppressive — fascistic, even — and must be thoroughly destroyed.



Hence, acts of extreme violence against individuals, property and the state are seen as stepping stones, bringing us closer to the collapse of society and a new, more just societal order. As anyone familiar with 20th-century history knows, apocalyptic ideas of this kind won't stop with street thuggery.



Last month, an antifa militant firebombed an Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility in Tacoma, Wash. Police say Willem van Spronsen was killed after he aimed a rifle at them during the attack. His gun had apparently malfunctioned before he could fire. In his manifesto, he called for his "comrades" to take up arms in confronting the ascendant fascism of the state. In one of Betts' tweets ­before he extinguished the lives of nine fellow Americans, he responded to a person asking if van Spronsen had been a "villain or martyr?"



Betts flatly replied: "martyr."

https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/



The media tried to hide the fact the Dayton shooter was inspired by left wing extremism. Will this be counted as a left wing hate crime? Not a chance.

I watched CBC news after work. The panel was talking about the anti-immigrant views of the El Paso shooter, but the extremist motives of the Dayton shooter was not mentioned once.

well of course not. Trudy would pull their funding if they went off stript and mention the dayton shooter was a radical leftist, or the third mass shooting was thwarted by a good guy with a gun.



oh? didn't hear about that Some other sperg in body armor tried to go into another walmart to use it as a shooting gallery, and a retired firefighter held him at gunpoint until police arrived.

https://ktla.com/2019/08/08/firefighters-thwarts-possible-mass-shooting-at-missouri-walmart/

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Zetsu"

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Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "Wulf"
Total Number of gun deaths per year: 38,000

Suicides: 28,500

Gang and Drug: 7,885

Remaining: 1,615



If not for gangs and drugs, the number of murders by guns is below 1,700 in a country of 330,000,000 people. Remove the gangs and drugs, and the US is one of the SAFEST countries in the world.

And IF your grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle.



So, if I read your data correctly, if you don't do drugs and don't belong to a gang, you have no need for a weapon. So, the argument for self defence is void.



If you ARE a member of a gang, or have convictions for drug dealing, aren't you forbidden from owning or possessing a firearm?



So, where do these gang and drug industry firearms come from? Is there a special factory that manufactures guns just for bad people? How do they get their hands on full auto firearms, which I believe are illegal?

Brick, brick, brick, you are not paying attention! A lot of these questions have been answered.



You are dodging a lot of other questions too btw.



Like that pic I showed you, of how our police are trained to shoot at kids and such, around the time 2 billion rounds were purchased. Would that not bother you if you lived in a country that was known to kill its citizens?



Btw, there is also a law, that legally allows the government to kill up to a certain number of citizens, was made in the 70s I believe. Was up to 2000-5000 or some shit back then. Im sure the number is higher now. I use to be able to find it, but now its been scrubbed from the net, like a lot of other info I knew before.

Hong Kong's SDU(Special Duties Unit), basically their swat train their police using the same method, don't let the impression of innocence fool ya.

For how long have they done so, and do you have an example too? Im honestly curious.



But the 2 billion rounds of ammo purchases, Im sure Hong Kong did not do that. Thats a red flag to me, especially when combined with the targets they put out at the same time.

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "Wulf"
Total Number of gun deaths per year: 38,000

Suicides: 28,500

Gang and Drug: 7,885

Remaining: 1,615



If not for gangs and drugs, the number of murders by guns is below 1,700 in a country of 330,000,000 people. Remove the gangs and drugs, and the US is one of the SAFEST countries in the world.

And IF your grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle.



So, if I read your data correctly, if you don't do drugs and don't belong to a gang, you have no need for a weapon. So, the argument for self defence is void.



If you ARE a member of a gang, or have convictions for drug dealing, aren't you forbidden from owning or possessing a firearm?



So, where do these gang and drug industry firearms come from? Is there a special factory that manufactures guns just for bad people? How do they get their hands on full auto firearms, which I believe are illegal?

Brick, brick, brick, you are not paying attention! A lot of these questions have been answered.



You are dodging a lot of other questions too btw.



Like that pic I showed you, of how our police are trained to shoot at kids and such, around the time 2 billion rounds were purchased. Would that not bother you if you lived in a country that was known to kill its citizens?



Btw, there is also a law, that legally allows the government to kill up to a certain number of citizens, was made in the 70s I believe. Was up to 2000-5000 or some shit back then. Im sure the number is higher now. I use to be able to find it, but now its been scrubbed from the net, like a lot of other info I knew before.

Hong Kong's SDU(Special Duties Unit), basically their swat train their police using the same method, don't let the impression of innocence fool ya.

For how long have they done so, and do you have an example too? Im honestly curious.



But the 2 billion rounds of ammo purchases, Im sure Hong Kong did not do that. Thats a red flag to me, especially when combined with the targets they put out at the same time.

I can't remember exactly nor too sure, but I learned it from a really old film directed by a former Hong Kong SWAT officer, the story is fictional but all the training is based upon HK's SDU requirement standards.

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "Wulf"
Total Number of gun deaths per year: 38,000

Suicides: 28,500

Gang and Drug: 7,885

Remaining: 1,615



If not for gangs and drugs, the number of murders by guns is below 1,700 in a country of 330,000,000 people. Remove the gangs and drugs, and the US is one of the SAFEST countries in the world.

And IF your grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle.



So, if I read your data correctly, if you don't do drugs and don't belong to a gang, you have no need for a weapon. So, the argument for self defence is void.



If you ARE a member of a gang, or have convictions for drug dealing, aren't you forbidden from owning or possessing a firearm?



So, where do these gang and drug industry firearms come from? Is there a special factory that manufactures guns just for bad people? How do they get their hands on full auto firearms, which I believe are illegal?

Brick, brick, brick, you are not paying attention! A lot of these questions have been answered.



You are dodging a lot of other questions too btw.



Like that pic I showed you, of how our police are trained to shoot at kids and such, around the time 2 billion rounds were purchased. Would that not bother you if you lived in a country that was known to kill its citizens?



Btw, there is also a law, that legally allows the government to kill up to a certain number of citizens, was made in the 70s I believe. Was up to 2000-5000 or some shit back then. Im sure the number is higher now. I use to be able to find it, but now its been scrubbed from the net, like a lot of other info I knew before.

Hong Kong's SDU(Special Duties Unit), basically their swat train their police using the same method, don't let the impression of innocence fool ya.

For how long have they done so, and do you have an example too? Im honestly curious.



But the 2 billion rounds of ammo purchases, Im sure Hong Kong did not do that. Thats a red flag to me, especially when combined with the targets they put out at the same time.

I can't remember exactly nor too sure, but I learned it from a really old film directed by a former Hong Kong SWAT officer, the story is fictional but all the training is based upon HK's SDU requirement standards.

Hong Kong's anti organized crime unit is considered the best in the world and at top of the global pay scale. . But, the triads still have detectives in that unit on their payrolls.

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "Wulf"
Total Number of gun deaths per year: 38,000

Suicides: 28,500

Gang and Drug: 7,885

Remaining: 1,615



If not for gangs and drugs, the number of murders by guns is below 1,700 in a country of 330,000,000 people. Remove the gangs and drugs, and the US is one of the SAFEST countries in the world.

And IF your grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle.



So, if I read your data correctly, if you don't do drugs and don't belong to a gang, you have no need for a weapon. So, the argument for self defence is void.



If you ARE a member of a gang, or have convictions for drug dealing, aren't you forbidden from owning or possessing a firearm?



So, where do these gang and drug industry firearms come from? Is there a special factory that manufactures guns just for bad people? How do they get their hands on full auto firearms, which I believe are illegal?

Brick, brick, brick, you are not paying attention! A lot of these questions have been answered.



You are dodging a lot of other questions too btw.



Like that pic I showed you, of how our police are trained to shoot at kids and such, around the time 2 billion rounds were purchased. Would that not bother you if you lived in a country that was known to kill its citizens?



Btw, there is also a law, that legally allows the government to kill up to a certain number of citizens, was made in the 70s I believe. Was up to 2000-5000 or some shit back then. Im sure the number is higher now. I use to be able to find it, but now its been scrubbed from the net, like a lot of other info I knew before.

Hong Kong's SDU(Special Duties Unit), basically their swat train their police using the same method, don't let the impression of innocence fool ya.

For how long have they done so, and do you have an example too? Im honestly curious.



But the 2 billion rounds of ammo purchases, Im sure Hong Kong did not do that. Thats a red flag to me, especially when combined with the targets they put out at the same time.

I can't remember exactly nor too sure, but I learned it from a really old film directed by a former Hong Kong SWAT officer, the story is fictional but all the training is based upon HK's SDU requirement standards.

Quote from: "Herman"Take a look at this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5TnYVn_1bY

Quote from: "Bricktop"More irrational bullshit.



Wasn't the LA shooter a "law abiding" citizen?



A "law abiding" citizen can become a "non law abiding" citizen after three beers. Or after a highly emotional divorce. Or after being dismissed from his or her job.



The fact that a person has BEEN "law abiding" does not mean that they will remain "law abiding", as so many of these shooting events establish.



People with mental health issues are "law abiding", yet they have access to firearms.



The argument that only criminals kill people with guns is fatuous.

Quote from: "Herman"Take a look at this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5TnYVn_1bY

Quote from: "Bricktop"Er hem...





 ac_hithere

Quote from: "Bricktop"Well, on most things.

Quote from: "Fashionista"HK lends out some of their investigators to police forces around the world to aid in difficult cases.

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "Wulf"
Total Number of gun deaths per year: 38,000

Suicides: 28,500

Gang and Drug: 7,885

Remaining: 1,615



If not for gangs and drugs, the number of murders by guns is below 1,700 in a country of 330,000,000 people. Remove the gangs and drugs, and the US is one of the SAFEST countries in the world.

And IF your grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle.



So, if I read your data correctly, if you don't do drugs and don't belong to a gang, you have no need for a weapon. So, the argument for self defence is void.



If you ARE a member of a gang, or have convictions for drug dealing, aren't you forbidden from owning or possessing a firearm?



So, where do these gang and drug industry firearms come from? Is there a special factory that manufactures guns just for bad people? How do they get their hands on full auto firearms, which I believe are illegal?

Brick, brick, brick, you are not paying attention! A lot of these questions have been answered.



You are dodging a lot of other questions too btw.



Like that pic I showed you, of how our police are trained to shoot at kids and such, around the time 2 billion rounds were purchased. Would that not bother you if you lived in a country that was known to kill its citizens?



Btw, there is also a law, that legally allows the government to kill up to a certain number of citizens, was made in the 70s I believe. Was up to 2000-5000 or some shit back then. Im sure the number is higher now. I use to be able to find it, but now its been scrubbed from the net, like a lot of other info I knew before.

Hong Kong's SDU(Special Duties Unit), basically their swat train their police using the same method, don't let the impression of innocence fool ya.

For how long have they done so, and do you have an example too? Im honestly curious.



But the 2 billion rounds of ammo purchases, Im sure Hong Kong did not do that. Thats a red flag to me, especially when combined with the targets they put out at the same time.

I can't remember exactly nor too sure, but I learned it from a really old film directed by a former Hong Kong SWAT officer, the story is fictional but all the training is based upon HK's SDU requirement standards.

Right on. I mean I've seen civilian targets before, I use to be a junior cadet long ago. But I had never seen targets of children with guns and pregnant women in playgrounds. Those were newly released under Obama's rule. I can imagine the loony tunes now had they been released under Trump lol, "first he grabbed 'em by the pussy, now wants to shoot them in the pussy!"  :laugh:

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "Fashionista"HK lends out some of their investigators to police forces around the world to aid in difficult cases.

tbh that's something I never knew, but with Hong Kong's quick problem solving culture fused with Britain's management and model law enforcement tradition, it doesn't surprised me if they have a good crime solving rate.

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "Blazor"

Quote from: "Bricktop"

Quote from: "Wulf"
Total Number of gun deaths per year: 38,000

Suicides: 28,500

Gang and Drug: 7,885

Remaining: 1,615



If not for gangs and drugs, the number of murders by guns is below 1,700 in a country of 330,000,000 people. Remove the gangs and drugs, and the US is one of the SAFEST countries in the world.

And IF your grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle.



So, if I read your data correctly, if you don't do drugs and don't belong to a gang, you have no need for a weapon. So, the argument for self defence is void.



If you ARE a member of a gang, or have convictions for drug dealing, aren't you forbidden from owning or possessing a firearm?



So, where do these gang and drug industry firearms come from? Is there a special factory that manufactures guns just for bad people? How do they get their hands on full auto firearms, which I believe are illegal?

Brick, brick, brick, you are not paying attention! A lot of these questions have been answered.



You are dodging a lot of other questions too btw.



Like that pic I showed you, of how our police are trained to shoot at kids and such, around the time 2 billion rounds were purchased. Would that not bother you if you lived in a country that was known to kill its citizens?



Btw, there is also a law, that legally allows the government to kill up to a certain number of citizens, was made in the 70s I believe. Was up to 2000-5000 or some shit back then. Im sure the number is higher now. I use to be able to find it, but now its been scrubbed from the net, like a lot of other info I knew before.

Hong Kong's SDU(Special Duties Unit), basically their swat train their police using the same method, don't let the impression of innocence fool ya.

For how long have they done so, and do you have an example too? Im honestly curious.



But the 2 billion rounds of ammo purchases, Im sure Hong Kong did not do that. Thats a red flag to me, especially when combined with the targets they put out at the same time.

I can't remember exactly nor too sure, but I learned it from a really old film directed by a former Hong Kong SWAT officer, the story is fictional but all the training is based upon HK's SDU requirement standards.

Right on. I mean I've seen civilian targets before, I use to be a junior cadet long ago. But I had never seen targets of children with guns and pregnant women in playgrounds. Those were newly released under Obama's rule. I can imagine the loony tunes now had they been released under Trump lol, "first he grabbed 'em by the pussy, now wants to shoot them in the pussy!"  :laugh:

Now that you've mentioned it I don't recall seeing children or pregnant women targets either, but tbh I don't think kids or women with children should be excluded either, iirc I remember a kid pointed one of those airsoft replica guns at a police officer in HK before and the cop returned fire.  What happened was unfortunate but neither a kid or the police officer could be blamed.