The People's Liberation Army is mobilizing equipment and personnel in the neighbouring mainland city of Shenzhen.
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The Chinese territory gears up for 11th weekend of anti-government protests as Beijing masses forces at border.
Hong Kong - As Hong Kong gears up for another weekend of mass demonstrations, all eyes are on the protesters' next moves after an airport occupation last weekend turned ugly and drew the ire of mainland China.
Four demonstrations unsanctioned by the police are slated for Saturday as the semi-autonomous territory is set to enter its 11th week of anti-government protests amid a political crisis that was sparked by a now-shelved bill to allow criminal suspects to be sent to mainland China for trial.
The protesters' actions on Friday kicked off with calls for a mass cash withdrawal which turned out to be less disruptive than anticipated.
Andy Chan, the head of the now-banned pro-independence Hong Kong National Party, had called on protesters to withdraw money in order to disrupt the economy of the major international finance hub and gateway to China.
Since the escalation, China has moved thousands of paramilitary police to the border near the former British colony, disseminating images and videos of the troops doing anti-riot drills.
Beijing has also ramped up its rhetoric, saying protesters in Hong Kong showed signs of "terrorism", while Liu Xiaoming, China's ambassador to the United Kingdom, warned that the Chinese government had "enough solutions and enough power to swiftly quell unrest" should things became "uncontrollable".
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/eyes-hong-kong-protesters-china-ramps-rhetoric-190816124344534.html
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The Chinese territory gears up for 11th weekend of anti-government protests as Beijing masses forces at border.
Hong Kong - As Hong Kong gears up for another weekend of mass demonstrations, all eyes are on the protesters' next moves after an airport occupation last weekend turned ugly and drew the ire of mainland China.
Four demonstrations unsanctioned by the police are slated for Saturday as the semi-autonomous territory is set to enter its 11th week of anti-government protests amid a political crisis that was sparked by a now-shelved bill to allow criminal suspects to be sent to mainland China for trial.
The protesters' actions on Friday kicked off with calls for a mass cash withdrawal which turned out to be less disruptive than anticipated.
Andy Chan, the head of the now-banned pro-independence Hong Kong National Party, had called on protesters to withdraw money in order to disrupt the economy of the major international finance hub and gateway to China.
Since the escalation, China has moved thousands of paramilitary police to the border near the former British colony, disseminating images and videos of the troops doing anti-riot drills.
Beijing has also ramped up its rhetoric, saying protesters in Hong Kong showed signs of "terrorism", while Liu Xiaoming, China's ambassador to the United Kingdom, warned that the Chinese government had "enough solutions and enough power to swiftly quell unrest" should things became "uncontrollable".
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/eyes-hong-kong-protesters-china-ramps-rhetoric-190816124344534.html
About two thirds of the foreign direct investment in China goes through Hong Kong. Beijing will not tolerate instability indefinitely. However, going in with tanks is an absolute last resort.
I no like the protests in Vancouver. We have nothing to do with China or Hong Kong. Some people are making it a big deal here.
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I don't like being caught in the middle of protests either TVG..
I haven't seen much yet in Calgary.
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The Chinese territory gears up for 11th weekend of anti-government protests as Beijing masses forces at border.
Hong Kong - As Hong Kong gears up for another weekend of mass demonstrations, all eyes are on the protesters' next moves after an airport occupation last weekend turned ugly and drew the ire of mainland China.
Four demonstrations unsanctioned by the police are slated for Saturday as the semi-autonomous territory is set to enter its 11th week of anti-government protests amid a political crisis that was sparked by a now-shelved bill to allow criminal suspects to be sent to mainland China for trial.
The protesters' actions on Friday kicked off with calls for a mass cash withdrawal which turned out to be less disruptive than anticipated.
Andy Chan, the head of the now-banned pro-independence Hong Kong National Party, had called on protesters to withdraw money in order to disrupt the economy of the major international finance hub and gateway to China.
Since the escalation, China has moved thousands of paramilitary police to the border near the former British colony, disseminating images and videos of the troops doing anti-riot drills.
Beijing has also ramped up its rhetoric, saying protesters in Hong Kong showed signs of "terrorism", while Liu Xiaoming, China's ambassador to the United Kingdom, warned that the Chinese government had "enough solutions and enough power to swiftly quell unrest" should things became "uncontrollable".
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/eyes-hong-kong-protesters-china-ramps-rhetoric-190816124344534.html
About two thirds of the foreign direct investment in China goes through Hong Kong. Beijing will not tolerate instability indefinitely. However, going in with tanks is an absolute last resort.
I don't believe China will do anything that could further weaken their already slowing economy. The Trump tariffs are having a negative impact on China's GDP.
I´ll volunteer for the war..
Just to get myself a chinese wife..
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The Chinese territory gears up for 11th weekend of anti-government protests as Beijing masses forces at border.
Hong Kong - As Hong Kong gears up for another weekend of mass demonstrations, all eyes are on the protesters' next moves after an airport occupation last weekend turned ugly and drew the ire of mainland China.
Four demonstrations unsanctioned by the police are slated for Saturday as the semi-autonomous territory is set to enter its 11th week of anti-government protests amid a political crisis that was sparked by a now-shelved bill to allow criminal suspects to be sent to mainland China for trial.
The protesters' actions on Friday kicked off with calls for a mass cash withdrawal which turned out to be less disruptive than anticipated.
Andy Chan, the head of the now-banned pro-independence Hong Kong National Party, had called on protesters to withdraw money in order to disrupt the economy of the major international finance hub and gateway to China.
Since the escalation, China has moved thousands of paramilitary police to the border near the former British colony, disseminating images and videos of the troops doing anti-riot drills.
Beijing has also ramped up its rhetoric, saying protesters in Hong Kong showed signs of "terrorism", while Liu Xiaoming, China's ambassador to the United Kingdom, warned that the Chinese government had "enough solutions and enough power to swiftly quell unrest" should things became "uncontrollable".
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/eyes-hong-kong-protesters-china-ramps-rhetoric-190816124344534.html
About two thirds of the foreign direct investment in China goes through Hong Kong. Beijing will not tolerate instability indefinitely. However, going in with tanks is an absolute last resort.
I don't believe China will do anything that could further weaken their already slowing economy. The Trump tariffs are having a negative impact on China's GDP.
There's a lot that Trump has done that I like. However, the tariff war with China is not one of them. China is not like Western countries that only think to the next election. They have a long term game plan. They will wait Trump out. In fact, I would say they will interfere for the Democratic candidate next year.
I hope the military build up beside Hong Kong is only for intimidation.
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The Chinese territory gears up for 11th weekend of anti-government protests as Beijing masses forces at border.
Hong Kong - As Hong Kong gears up for another weekend of mass demonstrations, all eyes are on the protesters' next moves after an airport occupation last weekend turned ugly and drew the ire of mainland China.
Four demonstrations unsanctioned by the police are slated for Saturday as the semi-autonomous territory is set to enter its 11th week of anti-government protests amid a political crisis that was sparked by a now-shelved bill to allow criminal suspects to be sent to mainland China for trial.
The protesters' actions on Friday kicked off with calls for a mass cash withdrawal which turned out to be less disruptive than anticipated.
Andy Chan, the head of the now-banned pro-independence Hong Kong National Party, had called on protesters to withdraw money in order to disrupt the economy of the major international finance hub and gateway to China.
Since the escalation, China has moved thousands of paramilitary police to the border near the former British colony, disseminating images and videos of the troops doing anti-riot drills.
Beijing has also ramped up its rhetoric, saying protesters in Hong Kong showed signs of "terrorism", while Liu Xiaoming, China's ambassador to the United Kingdom, warned that the Chinese government had "enough solutions and enough power to swiftly quell unrest" should things became "uncontrollable".
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/eyes-hong-kong-protesters-china-ramps-rhetoric-190816124344534.html
About two thirds of the foreign direct investment in China goes through Hong Kong. Beijing will not tolerate instability indefinitely. However, going in with tanks is an absolute last resort.
I don't believe China will do anything that could further weaken their already slowing economy. The Trump tariffs are having a negative impact on China's GDP.
There's a lot that Trump has done that I like. However, the tariff war with China is not one of them. China is not like Western countries that only think to the next election. They have a long term game plan. They will wait Trump out. In fact, I would say they will interfere for the Democratic candidate next year.
I understand what he is trying to do. Bush and Obama knew China was cheating and neither of them had the stones to confront the Chinks. But, like you said, because of their political system, China has the advantage here. They will wait until there's another globalist democRAT in the white house that they control like a circus monkey.
What Canada can do about Hong Kong
In recent weeks, the daily flow of young protesters getting tear gassed, truncheoned, fired at and assailed by anti-riot police and violent triad members on Hong Kong's streets, in its MTR stations and at its shopping malls has grabbed headlines worldwide, sparking a crisis for the Chinese leadership unlike any it has faced since Tiananmen Square in 1989.
What started as a protest against a controversial extradition bill has mutated into a rising act of defiance against the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and the "one country, two systems" formula, under which Hong Kong was incorporated into the People's Republic of China in 1997. Young activists and a large swath of society behind them are now openly challenging Beijing's writ in Hong Kong and are willing to take risks to defend their way of life.
Beijing has launched a campaign to discredit the protesters as "rioters," even suggesting that some of their actions constitute "terrorism" — a term the Party has normally used to describe resistance in majority-Muslim Xinjiang and the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests. China has also signalled that the People's Armed Police (PAP), and, in the extreme, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) garrisoned in Hong Kong could become involved.
Beijing cannot — and will not — back down, as this could lead to similar appeals by other minorities in China and directly challenge the CCP's grip on Chinese society. Unless the protesters back down (only temporarily, as the underlying issues will not have been addressed), Beijing and its proxies in Hong Kong will remain committed to an escalatory policy of repression.
Knowing this, what can Canada do to prevent excesses, if not a bloodbath, and ensure Hong Kong residents can defend their rights and freedoms? So far, our government's response has been disappointing and, at best, inconsistent. Canada can, and should, do more.
The situation calls for Canada to join and co-ordinate with other democracies in condemning police excesses in Hong Kong and calling for an independent inquiry into the matter. Ottawa should hold Beijing and Hong Kong authorities to account for violating their commitments and responsibilities under the 1984 Sino-British Joint Declaration and Hong Kong's Basic Law. It should also call for the complete removal of the extradition bill and for the release of unfairly detained protesters.
The Canadian government should avoid adopting Beijing's propaganda which refers to the protesters as "rioters" and should not legitimize claims to a moral equivalence between the two sides. It should also firmly condemn Beijing's claim that the protesters have engaged in terrorism, while nevertheless encouraging protesters to continue to adhere to peaceful strategies.
Ottawa must also ensure that Hong Kong students and their supporters on campuses nationwide can organize events without risks of intimidation or physical attack by their Chinese counterparts. With the Hong Kong crisis going global, law enforcement must look after the safety of people of Hong Kong origin who reside in Canada, as some of them may become targets of intimidation and retaliation by CCP proxies.
Finally, in concert with other countries, Canada should also be ready to impose targeted sanctions or travel bans against Hong Hong and/or CCP officials who are complicit in police brutality against peaceful protesters, especially if a PAP/PLA deployment in Hong Kong were to materialize. Ottawa should also make necessary preparations to offer assistance to imperilled Hong Kong residents seeking asylum in Canada. In a co-ordinated warning to Beijing, Canada must state that a PAP/PLA crackdown in Hong Kong would carry serious consequences for the CCP.
Given the severity of the situation and the potential for serious harm, rhetoric alone will unlikely change Beijing's behaviour. Canada and like-minded allies must be prepared to respond should Beijing decide to act on its authoritarian instincts in Hong Kong.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/cole-what-canada-can-do-about-hong-kong
This could not have come at a worse time for the global economy. And with Beijing punishing us for not interfering in the Huawei executive case, it puts this country between a rock and a hard place.
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The Chinks aint going to let history repeat itself. Before the Tianamen massacre, anti government protests spread to four hundred cities across China.
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Are they all over the city or concentrated in one area?
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Are they all over the city or concentrated in one area?
There was a protested at Broadway SkyTrain station. There's a wall at Simon Fraser university covered with hundreds of notes. Some Chinese guy in New Westminster writing stuff on the streets and stairwells. Trying to spread awareness and draw attention. People think we need to band together and support Hong Kong. Nobody trying to get us to care about other cities around the world. Hong Kong-ers must be more important.
We tend to see this through western eyes...as we do with all things China and Russia. Our perception is that these monolithic dictatorships are omnipotent, and the West is ineffectual and powerless.
That is not the case.
As much as the West relies on China for cheap labour, China is now dependent on Western revenue. It is not a one way level of influence. Trump's sanctions are hurting China...and if they behave contrary to Western interests and values they risk even more pain.
Western money is the foundation of China's wealth. Without it, China would be in dire peril.
30 years ago, the tanks would have rolled in to Hong Kong weeks ago. Today, China must heed the consequences of military action on their own circumstances.
The West can absorb much more pain than China. We may experience disruption to our consumer goods...but China risks millions of workers no longer having jobs.
Today's protest in Vancouver. The Hong Kong supporters in black shirts vs China people in the red. I fear that this is gonna be a weekly thing.
https://youtu.be/b9Qd1NUMzP4
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Are they all over the city or concentrated in one area?
There was a protested at Broadway SkyTrain station. There's a wall at Simon Fraser university covered with hundreds of notes. Some Chinese guy in New Westminster writing stuff on the streets and stairwells. Trying to spread awareness and draw attention. People think we need to band together and support Hong Kong. Nobody trying to get us to care about other cities around the world. Hong Kong-ers must be more important.
I would assume the same actions are happening down in Toronto.
I am hardly an expert on the grievances between HK and the mainland. I read this article that summarizes the situation. If it's wrong, perhaps Fash, SL, Zetsu or TVG can better explain it.
Extradition bill sparked protests in former British colony
Over the last few months, Hong Kong — a denselypopulated financial centre that is a key influence on the world's economy — has devolved into sometimes-chaotic scenes of violence.
What started as protests during weekends has turned into near-daily disruptions that includes sit-ins, occupations, blockades, strikes and riots.
the objective? to stop the passage of an extradition bill that could force citizens arrested in Hong Kong, a former British colony, to be transported to mainland China to face justice. the impetus of the extradition bill came in 2018, when a man from Hong Kong was alleged to have killed his pregnant girlfriend while in taiwan. after he flew back to Hong Kong, taiwan was unable to extradite him because there was no agreement in place between the two territories for his transfer.
Hong Kong also does not have an extradition law with either mainland China or Macau — another former colony under Portuguese rule until 1999.
the Hong Kong government proposed legislation earlier this year to close this legal loophole, but residents worry the territory is opening itself up to the long — and often harsh — arm of Chinese law, which is controlled politically in Beijing.
RECENT history
after the united Kingdom handed the territory back to China in 1997 following 156 years of British rule, Hong Kong was made a special administrative region with its own laws, a "one country, two systems" arrangement that eased its transfer to the most populous country on the planet.
the Basic Law of Hong Kong gives citizens living in the territory the constitutional right to participate in local elections, which is enshrined for 50 years after its transfer to China.
Residents, who consider themselves Hong Kongers instead of Chinese, are also guaranteed freedom of speech, the right to a free press, and the right to protest.
Extradition Bill
Officially known as the Fugitive Offenders and Mutual Legal assistance in Criminal Matters Legislation (amendment) Bill 2019, the proposed legislation seeks to make arrangements for those accused of crimes to be extradited between Hong Kong and anywhere outside the territory. the bill was proposed in the Hong Kong legislature in February and had its first reading in april. Carrie Lam, Chief Executive of Hong Kong and backed by China's political leaders, faced massive backlash to the bill's introduction in early June but continued to support the proposed extradition amendment.
Protesters then demanded Lam's resignation for continuing to push ahead with the bill. In response, Lam blamed protest organizers for the intense clashes with police that broke out before she backed down June 15 and announced a pause in the bill's passage during massive street protests.
the next day, organizers claimed nearly two million people marched and demanded the bill be withdrawn and Lam resign. Hong Kong's embattled leader released a statement apologizing for the turmoil the bill had caused and said that there would be no further push to make the bill law. On June 18, Lam held a press conference and apologized to the people of Hong Kong, acknowledging that "deficiencies in the government's work had led to substantial controversies and disputes in society."
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https://youtu.be/b9Qd1NUMzP4
Is it affecting how you get around Twee? Slowing traffic, blocking sidewalks and so on? I'd tire of that in a hurry.
It has been interesting to see the Hong Kong protests evolve from students opposing a piece of legislation (extradition to China bill), to some kind of ad-hoc democracy movement that desires increased democratic voting rights and less influence from mainland China. Not to burst their ideological bubble, but Hong Kong protesters should think twice about believing that western democracy is some kind of model to be emulated. Between their shrill screams at the Hong Kong airport, they might want to pause and consider that a democratically won Brexit has been undermined by a political cabal that believes it knows better, and that in the United States a democratically elected president has been systematically undermined rather than waiting for the next democratic election to kick him out of office. Democracy is a slippery mess. On the one hand, we all fret about whether our vote counts, how important it is to participate in the process, yet democratic institutions have been perverted into devaluing some votes in favour of others. True democracy is allowing the majority to make a decision, even if it turns out to be the wrong one, so that everyone can learn from it and reverse it at the next election if necessary. The minute we allow or accept that small groups are entitled to thwart the will of the majority, we undermine the very purpose of democracy to the point where our Western elections are probably as much of a charade as Chinese ones. Or Hong Kong ones.
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Democracy needs reform, true dat.
I understand the how the protests in Hong Kong have evolved..
But, the standing committee in Peking is made up of hardliners..
This could get very bloody.
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Democracy needs reform, true dat.
Like you said, democracy was not designed for the information age.
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https://youtu.be/b9Qd1NUMzP4
Is it affecting how you get around Twee? Slowing traffic, blocking sidewalks and so on? I'd tire of that in a hurry.
Doesn't affect me. I don't take the SkyTrain and most protests happen on weekends. On weekdays these people hide in their school or work some food court job.
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https://youtu.be/b9Qd1NUMzP4
Is it affecting how you get around Twee? Slowing traffic, blocking sidewalks and so on? I'd tire of that in a hurry.
Doesn't affect me. I don't take the SkyTrain and most protests happen on weekends. On weekdays these people hide in their school or work some food court job.
It doesn't affect me either. I work such long hours I don't have the energy to pay attention to it.
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https://youtu.be/b9Qd1NUMzP4
Is it affecting how you get around Twee? Slowing traffic, blocking sidewalks and so on? I'd tire of that in a hurry.
Doesn't affect me. I don't take the SkyTrain and most protests happen on weekends. On weekdays these people hide in their school or work some food court job.
There may be protests here too around the Chinese consulate..
But, I don't go downtown that often.
I read that two million people joined yesterday's protests. TWO MILLION.
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That would be one quarter of Hong Kong's population..
I doubt that many people were in the streets.
We were considering flying Cathay Pacific to the UK next year.
Not now.
I just saw pro China and pro HK protests on Granville street in Vancouver on the National.
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Not now.
Why not? Cathay Pacific is a first rate airline.
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https://youtu.be/b9Qd1NUMzP4
Is it affecting how you get around Twee? Slowing traffic, blocking sidewalks and so on? I'd tire of that in a hurry.
Doesn't affect me. I don't take the SkyTrain and most protests happen on weekends. On weekdays these people hide in their school or work some food court job.
There may be protests here too around the Chinese consulate..
But, I don't go downtown that often.
I am sick and tired of immigrants bringing the problems in their homelands to this country.
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They estimate over one million people peacefully protesting.
there are 300,000 Canadian citizens living in HK.
WOW ... and for how long has this been going on?
Edit: "started as peaceful protests in June, including a June 9 demonstration that drew an estimated 1 million people, has since escalated,"
I just found out there was a big protest in Calgary.
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WOW ... and for how long has this been going on?
Edit: "started as peaceful protests in June, including a June 9 demonstration that drew an estimated 1 million people, has since escalated,"
That is an amazing number..
More than the entire population of Calgary were on the streets protesting.
Twitter users spotted sponsored posts from Chinese state media criticizing the ongoing Hong Kong protests.
The sponsored posts described the protests as violent and destructive and portrayed Hong Kong citizens as in favor of ending them.
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Twitter users spotted sponsored posts from Chinese state media criticizing the ongoing Hong Kong protests.
The sponsored posts described the protests as violent and destructive and portrayed Hong Kong citizens as in favor of ending them.
I never thought my opinion of Twitter could get any worse, but it has.
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WOW ... and for how long has this been going on?
Edit: "started as peaceful protests in June, including a June 9 demonstration that drew an estimated 1 million people, has since escalated,"
Unbelievable. Will China wait it out or are they planning military action. I don't think they will do anything that would weaken economic growth and desperately needs foreign investment.
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WOW ... and for how long has this been going on?
Edit: "started as peaceful protests in June, including a June 9 demonstration that drew an estimated 1 million people, has since escalated,"
Unbelievable. Will China wait it out or are they planning military action. I don't think they will do anything that would weaken economic growth and desperately needs foreign investment.
Agreed in principal. However, keep in mind it's a 2 headed monster for China ... great loss of investment and sales vs. saving face (as they see it and have for centuries)
Granted this is a different time. place and situation from Tiananmen .. but China cannot be predicted on it. I'd not give a prediction .. nor even estimate odds .. this is a world we have never been part of
Pro HK demonstrators were attacked during a peaceful march in the University of Queensland.
//https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7280181/Brawl-breaks-Brisbane-Chinese-activists-attack-demonstrators.html
The Chinese Communist Party has tentacles throughout the West. It's time we realised that China is no friend of the West, and all those businesses who rushed there for cheap labour to increase their profits had better start coming up with an exit strategy.
If Chinese forces enter Hong Kong, trade between east and west will evaporate overnight. Businesses who manufacture in China will suffer while those outside of China will benefit.
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//https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7280181/Brawl-breaks-Brisbane-Chinese-activists-attack-demonstrators.html
The Chinese Communist Party has tentacles throughout the West. It's time we realised that China is no friend of the West, and all those businesses who rushed there for cheap labour to increase their profits had better start coming up with an exit strategy.
If Chinese forces enter Hong Kong, trade between east and west will evaporate overnight. Businesses who manufacture in China will suffer while those outside of China will benefit.
The same thing happened out in Vancouver.
I agree, Brick
China has made a BIG mistake in starting this .. and placed itself in an untenable situation .. is in a no win
either ending is a big loss for China
China should call off the bill change right now. Of course China wants to be in charge, wants to look good, and never show any weaknesses. Never to back down. They need to be strong and fearful.
On the surface and as we see the world, yes
however
For China it's extremely complicated ... for it, there is no good ending
China alone will decide their own fate ... ad I'm, not bettin which way they go
It is unusual for China to make such a mistake and put itself in such a a lose lose situation
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It's too late for that now.
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however
For China it's extremely complicated ... for it, there is no good ending
China alone will decide their own fate ... ad I'm, not bettin which way they go
It is unusual for China to make such a mistake and put itself in such a a lose lose situation
The old lady is from the North, but she has been following this closely. It's hard to see how China can save face on this.
China has now faced the harsh reality of wanting to be a Communist dictatorship that lives off Western money.
The aces are in the West's hands.
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The aces are in the West's hands.
Canada is in an even worse position than we already were because of the arrest of the CFO of Huawei.
Taiwan Offers Hong-Kong Protesters Safe Harbor From China... Saw this coming...
China lashes out at Taiwan over Hong Kong asylum offer
HONG KONG (AP) — China lashed out at Taiwan on Monday over its offer of political asylum to participants in Hong Kong's pro-democracy protest movement, a day after hundreds of thousands of people marched peacefully in the latest massive demonstration in the Chinese territory.
The government of Taiwan, a self-ruled island that China considers its own territory, strongly supports the protests, and Hong Kong students in Taiwan held events over the weekend expressing their backing. Taiwan's president made the asylum offer last month, though it's not clear if requests have been received.
https://news.yahoo.com/china-lashes-taiwan-over-hong-051547548.html
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The aces are in the West's hands.
Absolutely. And finally .. after decades of doing it all backward, a major player of the West has a good poker player
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The aces are in the West's hands.
Absolutely. And finally .. after decades of doing it all backward, a major player of the West has a good poker player
I don't believe the Western system of government is really desired by that many mainland Chinese..
A significant number of Hong Kong people don't want it either.
Both statements are correct I believe.
Not sure of ratio in HK
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Not sure of ratio in HK
Me neither..
But, Peking has not given any concessions so far and they probably won't.
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The aces are in the West's hands.
Canada is in an even worse position than we already were because of the arrest of the CFO of Huawei.
You say that as if Canada stands alone.
You're "family" won't stand by and allow you to be bullied. Australia, the US, UK and New Zealand...and much of Europe...has your back.
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The aces are in the West's hands.
Canada is in an even worse position than we already were because of the arrest of the CFO of Huawei.
You say that as if Canada stands alone.
You're "family" won't stand by and allow you to be bullied. Australia, the US, UK and New Zealand...and much of Europe...has your back.
Are they going to buy our canola, beef and maybe potash too when China stops buying from us if Trudeau so much as utters a peep about the protests.
Lol the US should just keep selling more new F-16 to Taiwan and F-35 to Japan, add more tariffs, while HK and other Western companies move their factories to Vietnam and Thailand, and see how quick those Chinazi protestor's attitude changes after realizing who needs who more.
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lol The funniest thing is the extradition bill isn't really biggest threat to HK locals, but the ones that fears it the most is the white collar, corrupt government workers or money laundering businessmen that fled from the mainland to stay and hide in the HK and store all their assets there.
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lol The funniest thing is the extradition bill isn't really biggest threat to HK locals, but the ones that fears it the most is the white collar, corrupt government workers or money laundering businessmen that fled from the mainland to stay and hide in the HK and store all their assets there.
I haven't actually read the details of the extradition bill.
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lol The funniest thing is the extradition bill isn't really biggest threat to HK locals, but the ones that fears it the most is the white collar, corrupt government workers or money laundering businessmen that fled from the mainland to stay and hide in the HK and store all their assets there.
The pro democracy side in HK thinks the bill could be used to extradite them on terror charges.
Jackie Chan is doing public service announcements denouncing protesters on behalf of the Chinese government.
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Jackie Chan has been called the Gene Simmons of East Asia..
Like Gene, he is all about making money..
And to make money in mainland China, you must say and do things the CCP approves of.
Another day of rioting in Hong Kong. Police used tear gas to disperse rioters.
Today they circled the city
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Ceec, the BBC reported it a lot differently.
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Ceec, the BBC reported it a lot differently.
The pan green and pan blue news in Taiwan report the HK protests very differently.
I was at the airport in Hong Kong last month. But, I was connecting to a flight to the mainland.
As much as we in the west deplore the thought of increased Government force against the rioters, consider how you would feel if thousands of people choked Vancouver or Toronto or Melbourne day after day.
At what point would you want law and order be restored?
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At what point would you want law and order be restored?
I absolutely get that. Small business owners, commuters, shoppers and tourists are caught in the middle of this.
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At what point would you want law and order be restored?
There is that..
And Peking focuses on and exaggerates that segment of HK society.
No doubt. But the rioters are making it easier for them to intervene every day.
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Peking doesn't care if they are rioting or not..
They see them as a threat to their dynastic rule..
If the same protests reached the mainland, it would be a big threat to the CCP.
But what are they protesting about?
Nobody seems to know any more.
They seem to be rioting for its own sake and that can only lead to one conclusion.
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Peking doesn't care if they are rioting or not..
They see them as a threat to their dynastic rule..
If the same protests reached the mainland, it would be a big threat to the CCP.
Where is that crazy Shen Li? Why isn't she here taking China's side and blaming the protesters.
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Peking doesn't care if they are rioting or not..
They see them as a threat to their dynastic rule..
If the same protests reached the mainland, it would be a big threat to the CCP.
Where is that crazy Shen Li? Why isn't she here taking China's side and blaming the protesters.
She's not crazy, she's a colourful personality..
I would imagine she'll be back soon.
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Nobody seems to know any more.
They seem to be rioting for its own sake and that can only lead to one conclusion.
The protests are organised by the Civil Human Rights Front and they started over the extradition bill, but now includes other issues, like the election of the Chief Executive.
This never ends. Both Hong Kong and China are destroying themselves. Hong kong is part of China and that's that. The middle class and wealthy Hong kong people can find new life in Canada and Australia. We welcome with open arms.
This whole thing will probably end when the cold weather hits. By that time protesters will just look like idiots pointlessly standing on the streets instead of being at home with family for Thanksgiving. I know there are many stubborn Christians in Hong Kong.
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This whole thing will probably end when the cold weather hits. By that time protesters will just look like idiots pointlessly standing on the streets instead of being at home with family for Thanksgiving.
Just like Calgary.
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Yesterday police pulled guns and fired warning shots after some protesters used sticks and rods to try and attack police..
If protesters use violence, they will quickly lose support in the West..
They have to learn to control violent radicals within the movement..
The protests are now about demands for free elections in HK and an investigation into police violence.
https://youtu.be/ucy-OhfGzdw
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That is completely out of hand. Peaceful protests are one thing, but barricading streets and arming themselves clubs, molotov cocktails and anything else they can use as a weapon is quite another. The message of democratization is lost. They look like a black block rent a mob.
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The average person just trying to get to and from work will turn on the rioters if they start affecting their ability to earn a living.
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The average person just trying to get to and from work will turn on the rioters if they start affecting their ability to earn a living.
It's true. Many live in micro suites smaller than the size of a single vehicle garage. Housing is more expensive than the likes of Vancouver. People need to work, rest, and take care of themselves and their family. Standing on the streets doesn't help move forward in life.
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The average person just trying to get to and from work will turn on the rioters if they start affecting their ability to earn a living.
It's true. Many live in micro suites smaller than the size of a single vehicle garage. Housing is more expensive than the likes of Vancouver. People need to work, rest, and take care of themselves and their family. Standing on the streets doesn't help move forward in life.
I can't argue with that TVG.
Protesters, cops in running battles
HONG KONG — Protesters hurled firebombs and set blazes Saturday across Hong Kong as they defied warnings to stay off the streets on a key pro-democracy anniversary — touching off some of the most dramatic clashes during 13 weeks of unrest over Beijing's influence on the territory.
Demonstrators were pursued through the city, chased by riot police using the full arsenal of their tools: volleys of teargas, pepper spray, rubber bullets and huge numbers of officers wielding batons.
Water cannons sprayed streams tinted with blue dye in an apparent effort to mark protesters.
Protesters in turn set piles of rubbish and debris on fire, hoping to block advancing police.
Some protesters were armed with metal poles and hammers, and carried makeshift shields for protection.
At night, clashes moved from central Hong Kong to Kowloon, prompting the closure of five of the main subway lines.
Videos shared on social media and messaging apps showed commuters crying and hugging each other, as pools of blood and debris littered the ground after a clearance operation by riot police.
The protesters were marking an especially significant day in Hong Kong's political history: Five years ago, Beijing announced a plan for limited democracy in the semi-autonomous territory, kicking off a 79-day occupation of city streets that invigorated a new generation of Hong Kong activists.
The intensity of Saturday's scenes underscored how neither protesters nor Hong Kong authorities are holding back — pushing the city even further from a resolution to the months-long crisis.
A Hong Kong government statement Saturday appeared to quash among the most fundamental of protester demands: that of direct elections for Hong Kong's leader and lawmakers.
A government spokesperson said that while universal suffrage is an "ultimate aim ... rashly embarking on political reform again will further polarize society, which is an irresponsible act."
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Protesters, cops in running battles
HONG KONG — Protesters hurled firebombs and set blazes Saturday across Hong Kong as they defied warnings to stay off the streets on a key pro-democracy anniversary — touching off some of the most dramatic clashes during 13 weeks of unrest over Beijing's influence on the territory.
Demonstrators were pursued through the city, chased by riot police using the full arsenal of their tools: volleys of teargas, pepper spray, rubber bullets and huge numbers of officers wielding batons.
Water cannons sprayed streams tinted with blue dye in an apparent effort to mark protesters.
Protesters in turn set piles of rubbish and debris on fire, hoping to block advancing police.
Some protesters were armed with metal poles and hammers, and carried makeshift shields for protection.
At night, clashes moved from central Hong Kong to Kowloon, prompting the closure of five of the main subway lines.
Videos shared on social media and messaging apps showed commuters crying and hugging each other, as pools of blood and debris littered the ground after a clearance operation by riot police.
The protesters were marking an especially significant day in Hong Kong's political history: Five years ago, Beijing announced a plan for limited democracy in the semi-autonomous territory, kicking off a 79-day occupation of city streets that invigorated a new generation of Hong Kong activists.
The intensity of Saturday's scenes underscored how neither protesters nor Hong Kong authorities are holding back — pushing the city even further from a resolution to the months-long crisis.
A Hong Kong government statement Saturday appeared to quash among the most fundamental of protester demands: that of direct elections for Hong Kong's leader and lawmakers.
A government spokesperson said that while universal suffrage is an "ultimate aim ... rashly embarking on political reform again will further polarize society, which is an irresponsible act."
Oh my, these protests are really getting out of hand.
I saw an interview with a protester who claimed the clashes were pro China. The rationale is to give Beijing an excuse to intervene to restore law and order.
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Yeah, I'm sure some of them will make ridiculous claims like that one. These protests are affecting the stability of HK and now they have become violent. How long will it be before somebody is killed.
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Yeah, I'm sure some of them will make ridiculous claims like that one. These protests are affecting the stability of HK and now they have become violent. How long will it be before somebody is killed.
Even supporters may turn against the protesters.
I often transit through Hong Kong when I go to Asia for business. Part of me would like to see the protests in person.
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I can understand that..
But, the novelty would wear off if I was unable to get around.
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I can understand that..
But, the novelty would wear off if I was unable to get around.
I'd be telling them to get the fuck out of my face.
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I can understand that..
But, the novelty would wear off if I was unable to get around.
I'd be telling them to get the fuck out of my face.
I still sympathize with the protesters cause.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1167871320924643329
https://twitter.com/i/status/1168040792327249920
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1168040792327249920
I saw some of these on Global News.
:ohmy:
TOKYO -- China issued a stern warning to Hong Kong protesters as well as the West on Sunday, reiterating that it will not tolerate any attempt to undermine Chinese sovereignty over the city.
"The end is coming for those attempting to disrupt Hong Kong and antagonize China," stated a commentary piece published by the state's Xinhua News Agency.
The strongly worded message was directed at "the rioters and their behind-the-scene supporters" -- which can be taken as an accusation of Western meddling. It said that "their attempt to 'kidnap Hong Kong' and press the central authorities is just a delusion," adding, "No concession should be expected concerning such principle issues."
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Hong-Kong-protests/Xinhua-warns-end-is-coming-for-Hong-Kong-protesters
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"The end is coming for those attempting to disrupt Hong Kong and antagonize China," stated a commentary piece published by the state's Xinhua News Agency.
The strongly worded message was directed at "the rioters and their behind-the-scene supporters" -- which can be taken as an accusation of Western meddling. It said that "their attempt to 'kidnap Hong Kong' and press the central authorities is just a delusion," adding, "No concession should be expected concerning such principle issues."
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Hong-Kong-protests/Xinhua-warns-end-is-coming-for-Hong-Kong-protesters
What does China consider meddling? A pro democracy tweets from NGO's in the West. We have foreign undermining our economy and preventing us from building critical infrastructure to get our resources to international markets. China doesn't know what meddling is.
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The extradition treaty between Hong Kong and the mainland has been withdrawn..
Other demands like an investigation into the police, an amnesty for protesters and direct elections for HK's Chief Executive have not been addressed.
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Other demands like an investigation into the police, an amnesty for protesters and direct elections for HK's Chief Executive have not been addressed.
This ain the end of the protests. But, it's a good move by Beijing and it's stooges in HK.
Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam has said she will withdraw the highly controversial extradition bill which has triggered months of protests.
The proposal, introduced in April, would have allowed criminal suspects to be extradited to mainland China.
The bill was suspended in June but Ms Lam stopped short of scrapping it.
Full withdrawal was one of five key demands of protesters, who also want full democracy. Some rejected Ms Lam's move and vowed to keep on protesting.
In a televised address on Wednesday, Ms Lam also announced other measures that appeared to be designed to soothe unrest.
She said two senior officials would join an existing inquiry into police conduct during the protests. An independent investigation into alleged police brutality against protesters is another of the activists' key demands.
On Monday, Ms Lam was heard on leaked audio tapes blaming herself for igniting Hong Kong's political crisis, and saying it was unforgiveable of her to have caused such huge havoc.
The extradition bill quickly drew criticism after being unveiled in April. Opponents said it would undermine Hong Kong's legal freedoms and might be used to intimidate or silence critics of Beijing.
I predict Carrie Lam will take the fall for Peking.
More mass protests again this weekend. The extradition treaty has been shelved, but the unrest continues.
Canada sent a war ship through the Taiwan Straits..
This will infuriate Peking.
I have a suspicion this will not end well.
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China is incredibly patient. They'll wait this out. They have other issues to deal with right now.
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I don't know..
Time is on Peking's side.
The demonstrations in Hong Kong are increasingly flaring in its residential neighbourhoods, kilometres from the harbourside business districts where the pro-autonomy rallies began in the spring.
The clashes are now on the doorsteps of nearly every resident in Hong Kong, aggravating already-tense relationships between Hong Kong's citizens and mainland Chinese visitors and residents.
These tensions in the neighbourhoods are also spilling over to the mainland Chinese who come to Hong Kong every day to buy goods.
Those who enter Hong Kong for a day, making use of multiple-entry visas that allow them to easily cross over into the territory, are called "parallel traders."
They buy goods, such as baby formula, dried foods, cosmetics and electronics, to bring back to the mainland to resell.
Unlike tourists, they're mainly after household goods, and residents say their presence has caused shortages of daily necessities such as toothpaste and milk.
But now the day-trippers to Hong Kong are facing increasing anger. They're seen by some protesters as symbols of the mainland's reach into the former British territory.
In July, a rally in the Hong Kong district of Sheung Shui denounced the parallel traders.
In August, protesters shouted "Take back Hong Kong" at a bus carrying shoppers into the territory. Retailers now report a sharp drop in the number of Chinese coming over from the mainland.
International tourism also has plummeted. Hong Kong officials say the number of visitors dropped by 50% in mid-august after protesters staged sit-ins at Hong Kong International Airport.
I saw on Sixty Minutes that China is the biggest supplier of opiates to the US. And the US Postal Service is their courier.
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Think of it as payback for the West getting the Chinese hooked on opium.
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Think of it as payback for the West getting the Chinese hooked on opium.
That was Britain, not the United States.
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Think of it as payback for the West getting the Chinese hooked on opium.
That was Britain, not the United States.
I know that. It was a joke.
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I've heard something about that..
People can order them online.
HONG KONG — A water cannon spraying stinging blue dye flanked by dozens of riot officers rolled through central Hong Kong Sunday, sending protesters running in one of the fiercest clashes in three months of anti-government protests.
Chants of "five demands, not one less" rang out through the streets of central Hong Kong in the early afternoon, as tens of thousands of demonstrators again defied a police ban to stage a large march through the city.
Some appealed to their former colonial rulers, the British, and the United States to support their demands for democracy. Tensions began escalating before sundown, after police fired numerous rounds of teargas to clear protesters occupying a key road.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTYfWfd7Yqc
Hong Kong's instability is Singapore's gain.
WHATEVER VIEW is taken on the mayhem in Hong Kong—righteous rebellion or obscene rioting—it is a disaster for the territory's economy. And if one place stands to benefit from Hong Kong's troubles, it is that other east Asian, self-governing, Chinese-majority, financial, commercial and shipping hub: Singapore.
The two places have always seemed to have much else in common. Take the ease of doing business, where, thanks to light-touch regulation and efficient, uncorrupt bureaucracies, Singapore has second place and Hong Kong fourth in the World Bank's rankings of 190 countries. And both cities have prided themselves on their adherence to the rule of law and the low levels of violence on their streets.
https://www.economist.com/asia/2019/10/08/how-singapore-stands-to-gain-from-hong-kongs-troubles?cid1=cust/dailypicks1/n/bl/n/2019108n/owned/n/n/dailypicks1/n/n/NA/321399/n
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WHATEVER VIEW is taken on the mayhem in Hong Kong—righteous rebellion or obscene rioting—it is a disaster for the territory's economy. And if one place stands to benefit from Hong Kong's troubles, it is that other east Asian, self-governing, Chinese-majority, financial, commercial and shipping hub: Singapore.
The two places have always seemed to have much else in common. Take the ease of doing business, where, thanks to light-touch regulation and efficient, uncorrupt bureaucracies, Singapore has second place and Hong Kong fourth in the World Bank's rankings of 190 countries. And both cities have prided themselves on their adherence to the rule of law and the low levels of violence on their streets.
https://www.economist.com/asia/2019/10/08/how-singapore-stands-to-gain-from-hong-kongs-troubles?cid1=cust/dailypicks1/n/bl/n/2019108n/owned/n/n/dailypicks1/n/n/NA/321399/n
My understanding is that Singapore has already won the battle of who is the real international city of Asia.
it seems the big protests have fizzled away. Small groups now.
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The fear of a harsh Chinese intervention has fizzled away too.
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The fear of a harsh Chinese intervention has fizzled away too.
China wins.
HONG KONG — Police fired tear gas at pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong's Central financial district and at demonstrators on the other side of the harbor on Tuesday as a senior officer said the unrest had brought the city to "the brink of total breakdown."
The clashes took place a day after police shot a protester at close range and a man was doused with petrol and set on fire in some of the worst violence in the Chinese-ruled city in decades.
More than 1,000 protesters, many wearing office clothes and face masks, rallied in Central for a second day during lunch hour, blocking roads below some of the city's tallest skyscrapers and most expensive real estate.
After they had dispersed, police fired tear gas at the remaining protesters on old, narrow Pedder St. Police made more than a dozen arrests, many pinned up on the pavement against the wall of luxury jeweler Tiffany & Co.
Police said masked "rioters" had committed "insane" acts, throwing trash, bicycles and other debris on to metro tracks and overhead power lines, paralyzing transport in the former British colony. TV footage showed activists dropping heavy objects from overpasses on to traffic below, just missing a motorcyclist.
"Our society has been pushed to the brink of a total breakdown," Senior Superintendent Kong Wing-cheung told a briefing.
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HONG KONG — Police fired tear gas at pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong's Central financial district and at demonstrators on the other side of the harbor on Tuesday as a senior officer said the unrest had brought the city to "the brink of total breakdown."
The clashes took place a day after police shot a protester at close range and a man was doused with petrol and set on fire in some of the worst violence in the Chinese-ruled city in decades.
More than 1,000 protesters, many wearing office clothes and face masks, rallied in Central for a second day during lunch hour, blocking roads below some of the city's tallest skyscrapers and most expensive real estate.
After they had dispersed, police fired tear gas at the remaining protesters on old, narrow Pedder St. Police made more than a dozen arrests, many pinned up on the pavement against the wall of luxury jeweler Tiffany & Co.
Police said masked "rioters" had committed "insane" acts, throwing trash, bicycles and other debris on to metro tracks and overhead power lines, paralyzing transport in the former British colony. TV footage showed activists dropping heavy objects from overpasses on to traffic below, just missing a motorcyclist.
"Our society has been pushed to the brink of a total breakdown," Senior Superintendent Kong Wing-cheung told a briefing.
Paid black block protesters. Crush them like grapes on a supermarket floor.
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HONG KONG — Police fired tear gas at pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong's Central financial district and at demonstrators on the other side of the harbor on Tuesday as a senior officer said the unrest had brought the city to "the brink of total breakdown."
The clashes took place a day after police shot a protester at close range and a man was doused with petrol and set on fire in some of the worst violence in the Chinese-ruled city in decades.
More than 1,000 protesters, many wearing office clothes and face masks, rallied in Central for a second day during lunch hour, blocking roads below some of the city's tallest skyscrapers and most expensive real estate.
After they had dispersed, police fired tear gas at the remaining protesters on old, narrow Pedder St. Police made more than a dozen arrests, many pinned up on the pavement against the wall of luxury jeweler Tiffany & Co.
Police said masked "rioters" had committed "insane" acts, throwing trash, bicycles and other debris on to metro tracks and overhead power lines, paralyzing transport in the former British colony. TV footage showed activists dropping heavy objects from overpasses on to traffic below, just missing a motorcyclist.
"Our society has been pushed to the brink of a total breakdown," Senior Superintendent Kong Wing-cheung told a briefing.
thought the protests were getting smaller after Peking withdrew the extradition bill with Hong Kong.
I saw that guy doused in gas and set on fire.
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And the eighteen year old protester who was shot in the chest.
This isn't even close to being over.
Gov't nixes curfew as protesters paralyze territory
HONG KONG — Hong Kong pro-democracy protesters paralyzed parts of the city for a fourth successive day Thursday, forcing schools to close and blocking highways, as students built campus barricades and the government dismissed rumours of a curfew.
Protesters have torched vehicles and buildings, hurled gasoline bombs at police stations and trains, dropped debris from bridges onto traffic below and vandalized shopping malls and campuses, raising questions about how and when more than five months of unrest can be brought to an end.
A 70-year-old street cleaner believed to have been hit in the head by a brick Wednesday died Thursday, the hospital said.
Police said he was believed to have been hit by "hard objects hurled by masked rioters" during his lunch break.
Chinese President Xi Jinping, speaking in Brazil, said stopping violence was the most urgent task right now for Hong Kong, China's state CCTV television reported.
He said China continued to firmly support Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam.
China has a garrison of up to 12,000 troops in Hong Kong who've kept to barracks, but it has vowed to crush any attempts at independence, a demand from a very small minority of protesters.
It's my understanding the protests are smaller now and they're not blocking off movement in parts of the territory.
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That aint what I am seeing.
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That aint what I am seeing.
Fash and Shen say the protests are petering out. Everything I have read says otherwise.
The Real action is at the polytechnic college at this time
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Is that the only place?
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That aint what I am seeing.
Fash and Shen say the protests are petering out. Everything I have read says otherwise.
One of the main demands has been met..
Working people returned to work..
The protesters now are very young.
This was posted on Global News here. Zetsu understands the language?
https://youtu.be/spQZxfafMZw
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https://youtu.be/spQZxfafMZw
I can understand a few words of Cantonese.
Trump will sign a Hong Kong democracy act today. This will make China happy.
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Oh my...
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I'll take a look at the details tonight.
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What does it do? What does it mean for Hong Kong?
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What does it do? What does it mean for Hong Kong?
First I heard about it too.
Hong Kong protests simmer as city prepares for crucial local elections
An uneasy calm settled over Hong Kong on Saturday as the city prepared to go to the polls for local elections seen as a referendum on months of anti-government protests, after weeks of especially violent clashes between police and demonstrators.
On the grounds of the besieged Polytechnic University on the Kowloon peninsula, a dwindling number of protesters desperately sought a way out and others vowed not to surrender, days after some of the worst violence since anti-government demonstrations escalated in June.
One student protester who escaped the police cordon around the university without being arrested said on Saturday he had not expected the elections to go ahead.
"I don't feel optimistic about the outcome at all," he said.
The city is under tight security as a record 1,104 people gear up to run for 452 district council seats in Sunday's elections.
A record 4.1 million Hong Kong people, from a population of 7.4 million, have enrolled to vote, spurred in part by registration campaigns during months of protests.
For the first time, riot police will guard all polling stations in the city and almost all officers in the 31,000-strong force will be on duty, the South China Morning Post reported on Friday, citing a senior police source.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6208880/hong-kong-protests-local-election-polls/
I don't know how real these elections are.
HONG KONG — An uneasy calm settled over Hong Kong Saturday as the city prepared to stage local elections seen as a referendum on months of anti-government protests, after weeks of especially violent clashes between police and demonstrators.
On the grounds of the besieged Polytechnic University in Kowloon, a dwindling number of protesters desperately sought a way out and others vowed not to surrender, days after some of the worst violence since anti-government demonstrations escalated in June.
One student protester who escaped the police cordon without being arrested said Saturday he hadn't expected the elections to go ahead. "I don't feel optimistic about the outcome at all," he said, , predicting that the discontent will only escalate. "I cannot see the end in sight."
Just after midnight, a man dressed in a white shirt and face mask was led out by the hand by another man and taken into a nearby police van.
A small group of medics roamed the campus early on Sunday, searching the buildings looking for remaining protesters believed to be holed up inside. The city is under tight security as a record 1,104 people gear up to run for 452 district council seats in Sunday's elections..
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And Gateway reported it all as "HUGE ELECTION NEWS FROM HONG KONG! Freedom Candidates Win 9 of 10 Seats from Pro-Beijing Boot{y}lickers" :ohmy:
In Hong Kong their college students protest for freedom and democracy. In the US, our students protest for socialism and repeal of the 1st amendment for views they don't "agree" with. What a stunning comparison.
I read the pro democracy side won 390 srats.
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