Title: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2019, 10:17:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2019, 10:17:03 PM
Approximately 64 percent of the arrests that the federal government made in fiscal 2018 were of non-U.S. citizens, according to a report released today by the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics.Quote
That represents a dramatic change from just two decades ago, when approximately 63 percent of federal arrests were of citizens and only approximately 37 percent were of non-citizens.
The five crime types for which non-U.S. citizens were most likely to be prosecuted in U.S. district court in 2018 were illegal reentry (72 percent of prosecutions), drugs (13 percent of prosecutions), fraud (4.5 percent), alien smuggling (4 percent), and misuse of visas (2 percent)."
"Non-U.S. citizens, who make up 7 percent of the U.S. population (per the U.S. Census Bureau for 2017), accounted for 15 percent of prosecutions in U.S. district court for non-immigration crimes in 2018," said the report.
"In 2018," it said, "non-U.S. citizens accounted for 24 percent of all federal drug arrests and 25 percent of all federal property arrests, including 28 percent of all federal fraud arrests," said the report.
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2019, 10:19:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2019, 10:19:05 PM
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2019, 10:19:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2019, 10:19:51 PM
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2019, 10:24:22 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2019, 10:24:22 PM
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2019, 10:56:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2019, 10:56:36 PM
The bulk of arrests are for immigration offenses.The Trump administration has been cracking down on illegal immigration, so obviously federal arrests of non citizens is way up.
That's what the charts indicate.
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2019, 07:08:45 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2019, 07:08:45 AM
The bulk of arrests are for immigration offenses.The Trump administration has been cracking down on illegal immigration, so obviously federal arrests of non citizens is way up.
That's what the charts indicate.
They also show that non citizens are over represented in property, fraud, and drug arrests.
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Gaon on August 24, 2019, 09:28:44 PM
Post by: Gaon on August 24, 2019, 09:28:44 PM
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 08:41:53 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 08:41:53 AM
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 09:20:36 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 09:20:36 AM
One significant purpose of such "crackdowns" is to normalize the sight of jack booted thugs traipsing around arresting people without due process of law. Ordinary citizens are not so alarmed by the growing militarization of domestic policing since the targets are "not like us."Quote from: "Peaches"
Of course Peaches blames the victims. How dare the states enforce their own laws and protect it's citizens.
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 12:01:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 12:01:30 PM
One significant purpose of such "crackdowns" is to normalize the sight of jack booted thugs traipsing around arresting people without due process of law. Ordinary citizens are not so alarmed by the growing militarization of domestic policing since the targets are "not like us."Quote from: "Peaches"
Of course Peaches blames the victims. How dare the states enforce their own laws and protect it's citizens.
I thought we were talking about Federal arrests.
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: cc on August 25, 2019, 01:10:05 PM
Post by: cc on August 25, 2019, 01:10:05 PM
as is ours and most of the West of course
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 02:16:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 02:16:36 PM
One significant purpose of such "crackdowns" is to normalize the sight of jack booted thugs traipsing around arresting people without due process of law. Ordinary citizens are not so alarmed by the growing militarization of domestic policing since the targets are "not like us."Quote from: "Peaches"
Of course Peaches blames the victims. How dare the states enforce their own laws and protect it's citizens.
I thought we were talking about Federal arrests.
I am pretty sure old Jock meant the USA. He routinely calls the US, the states. Not uncommon in Canada.
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 03:00:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 03:00:03 PM
One significant purpose of such "crackdowns" is to normalize the sight of jack booted thugs traipsing around arresting people without due process of law. Ordinary citizens are not so alarmed by the growing militarization of domestic policing since the targets are "not like us."Quote from: "Peaches"
Of course Peaches blames the victims. How dare the states enforce their own laws and protect it's citizens.
I thought we were talking about Federal arrests.
I am pretty sure old Jock meant the USA. He routinely calls the US, the states. Not uncommon in Canada.
Thanks Herman. So I'll answer his question.
There is no doubting the USA should enforce its laws. There are two matters of style involved.
First is, the USA at all levels is fond of passing laws that make the legislators look good "back home" to their constituents but which in fact will be difficult to enforce and will be nullified by the first or second court to look at an actual case. LEOs don't really like to waste time with such laws.
My second point is, if something is illegal the police should come and arrest you and the government should try you. The manner of the arrest is my concern. If you have unpaid parking tickets, the government can put a Denver boot on your car when they see it and basically impound it until you go in and pay all your tickets. If you jaywalk, the cops can arrest you on the spot and take you in and book you, although a ticket and notice to appear is more appropriate.
In either of those cases, if the government chooses to send a militarized SWAT team to your home or place of work to arrest you, it amounts to a sort of grandstanding or showboating whose real intent is to terrorize your neighbors, co-workers or children.
If the government suits up with armored vehicles, body armor, assault weapons and goes on a warrantless sweep of a factory or neighborhood to arrest undocumented aliens, or arrests them anyway when they produce documentation, that too is a terror operation.
Thus my comment about jack-booted thugs.
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 03:03:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 03:03:32 PM
One significant purpose of such "crackdowns" is to normalize the sight of jack booted thugs traipsing around arresting people without due process of law. Ordinary citizens are not so alarmed by the growing militarization of domestic policing since the targets are "not like us."Quote from: "Peaches"
Of course Peaches blames the victims. How dare the states enforce their own laws and protect it's citizens.
I thought we were talking about Federal arrests.
I am pretty sure old Jock meant the USA. He routinely calls the US, the states. Not uncommon in Canada.
Seems to be common among older Canadians..
Not that I'm saying IHJ is older.
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 04:22:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 04:22:13 PM
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 06:46:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 06:46:17 PM
Peaches, i never asked a question. I made a statement. Nothing you posted even comes close to refuting it.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
You did make a statement in the OP, claiming (questionably) that your data "refute" an entire class of claims by others not in attendance here. It was never my intent to refute your OP even though I do think your claim is quite ambitious.
My first post here was a reply to SB, not clearly identified as such but using in quotes the word "crack down" which no poster above me had used but SB.
You then replied to my post with a "look everybody, Peaches is blaming the victim again" ad hominem that I might add is not well supported by referring to what I actually said. AND YOU CONCLUDED THAT POST WITH A QUESTION even though you didn't punctuate with a question mark.
Here is your post:
Of course Peaches blames the victims. How dare the states enforce their own laws and protect it's citizens.Quote
No jury of English speakers would ever convict me of treating that sentence as a (perhaps rhetorical) question, and I composed a thoughtful post to try to reply to it even though you had already assumed an adversarial conversation was occurring.
Even then, my post doesn't try to refute your second post EITHER. It's an effort at a civil conversation. If you continue to define everyone who fails to agree with your thesis as an adversary, I will have to break the habit of trying to converse with you.
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Thiel on August 25, 2019, 07:47:47 PM
Post by: Thiel on August 25, 2019, 07:47:47 PM
First is, the USA at all levels is fond of passing laws that make the legislators look good "back home" to their constituents but which in fact will be difficult to enforce and will be nullified by the first or second court to look at an actual case.
My second point is, if something is illegal the police should come and arrest you and the government should try you. The manner of the arrest is my concern. If you have unpaid parking tickets, the government can put a Denver boot on your car when they see it and basically impound it until you go in and pay all your tickets. If you jaywalk, the cops can arrest you on the spot and take you in and book you, although a ticket and notice to appear is more appropriate.
In either of those cases, if the government chooses to send a militarized SWAT team to your home or place of work to arrest you, it amounts to a sort of grandstanding or showboating whose real intent is to terrorize your neighbors, co-workers or children.
If the government suits up with armored vehicles, body armor, assault weapons and goes on a warrantless sweep of a factory or neighborhood to arrest undocumented aliens, or arrests them anyway when they produce documentation, that too is a terror operation.
Thus my comment about jack-booted thugs.
The Democrats always give these excuses, and hyperbole. I have been to countries that have cracked down on illegal immigration. In every case it was successful. The Democrats know if they stop impeding immigration enforcement, illegal border crossings will drop like a stone immediately. That is not in their interests. Which is why Democrats like Julian Castro want to repeal Section 1325 of Title 8 of the United States Code, which says it's a federal crime to enter the country without authorization.
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 08:08:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 08:08:48 PM
First is, the USA at all levels is fond of passing laws that make the legislators look good "back home" to their constituents but which in fact will be difficult to enforce and will be nullified by the first or second court to look at an actual case.
My second point is, if something is illegal the police should come and arrest you and the government should try you. The manner of the arrest is my concern. If you have unpaid parking tickets, the government can put a Denver boot on your car when they see it and basically impound it until you go in and pay all your tickets. If you jaywalk, the cops can arrest you on the spot and take you in and book you, although a ticket and notice to appear is more appropriate.
In either of those cases, if the government chooses to send a militarized SWAT team to your home or place of work to arrest you, it amounts to a sort of grandstanding or showboating whose real intent is to terrorize your neighbors, co-workers or children.
If the government suits up with armored vehicles, body armor, assault weapons and goes on a warrantless sweep of a factory or neighborhood to arrest undocumented aliens, or arrests them anyway when they produce documentation, that too is a terror operation.
Thus my comment about jack-booted thugs.
The Democrats always give these excuses, and hyperbole. I have been to countries that have cracked down on illegal immigration. In every case it was successful. The Democrats know if they stop impeding immigration enforcement, illegal border crossings will drop like a stone immediately. That is not in their interests. Which is why Democrats like Julian Castro want to repeal Section 1325 of Title 8 of the United States Code, which says it's a federal crime to enter the country without authorization.
Congratulations on being the first person in the thread to speak of democrats or republicans.
So far we haven't been speaking of party affiliations nor painting all members of either party with a broad brush and using words like "always."
And since you're quoting me, kindly point out a couple of the "excuses" I have put forward.
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 08:29:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 08:29:03 PM
First is, the USA at all levels is fond of passing laws that make the legislators look good "back home" to their constituents but which in fact will be difficult to enforce and will be nullified by the first or second court to look at an actual case.
My second point is, if something is illegal the police should come and arrest you and the government should try you. The manner of the arrest is my concern. If you have unpaid parking tickets, the government can put a Denver boot on your car when they see it and basically impound it until you go in and pay all your tickets. If you jaywalk, the cops can arrest you on the spot and take you in and book you, although a ticket and notice to appear is more appropriate.
In either of those cases, if the government chooses to send a militarized SWAT team to your home or place of work to arrest you, it amounts to a sort of grandstanding or showboating whose real intent is to terrorize your neighbors, co-workers or children.
If the government suits up with armored vehicles, body armor, assault weapons and goes on a warrantless sweep of a factory or neighborhood to arrest undocumented aliens, or arrests them anyway when they produce documentation, that too is a terror operation.
Thus my comment about jack-booted thugs.
The Democrats always give these excuses, and hyperbole. I have been to countries that have cracked down on illegal immigration. In every case it was successful. The Democrats know if they stop impeding immigration enforcement, illegal border crossings will drop like a stone immediately. That is not in their interests. Which is why Democrats like Julian Castro want to repeal Section 1325 of Title 8 of the United States Code, which says it's a federal crime to enter the country without authorization.
I thought you libertarians had no problem with open borders. Have you had a change of heart? Are you now standing with working people against shills for prog billionaires and corporations that want an endless supply of cheap labour. Along with the civil service, especially cops, that sees them as job security.
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Thiel on August 25, 2019, 08:44:29 PM
Post by: Thiel on August 25, 2019, 08:44:29 PM
First is, the USA at all levels is fond of passing laws that make the legislators look good "back home" to their constituents but which in fact will be difficult to enforce and will be nullified by the first or second court to look at an actual case.
My second point is, if something is illegal the police should come and arrest you and the government should try you. The manner of the arrest is my concern. If you have unpaid parking tickets, the government can put a Denver boot on your car when they see it and basically impound it until you go in and pay all your tickets. If you jaywalk, the cops can arrest you on the spot and take you in and book you, although a ticket and notice to appear is more appropriate.
In either of those cases, if the government chooses to send a militarized SWAT team to your home or place of work to arrest you, it amounts to a sort of grandstanding or showboating whose real intent is to terrorize your neighbors, co-workers or children.
If the government suits up with armored vehicles, body armor, assault weapons and goes on a warrantless sweep of a factory or neighborhood to arrest undocumented aliens, or arrests them anyway when they produce documentation, that too is a terror operation.
Thus my comment about jack-booted thugs.
The Democrats always give these excuses, and hyperbole. I have been to countries that have cracked down on illegal immigration. In every case it was successful. The Democrats know if they stop impeding immigration enforcement, illegal border crossings will drop like a stone immediately. That is not in their interests. Which is why Democrats like Julian Castro want to repeal Section 1325 of Title 8 of the United States Code, which says it's a federal crime to enter the country without authorization.
I thought you libertarians had no problem with open borders. Have you had a change of heart? Are you now standing with working people against shills for prog billionaires and corporations that want an endless supply of cheap labour. Along with the civil service, especially cops, that sees them as job security.
I don't know where you got that idea. I believe in liberty, not anarchy. I support the rule of law.
There are instances where countries choose not to enforce immigration law if it fills an immediate need that cannot be filled domestically. And also the migrants themselves keep a low profile. That is not the case in the United States. Too many immigrants appear in crime stats. And they sure as hell should not be receiving any taxpayer funded services. This is an insult to citizens and of course it breeds resentment.
The Democrats want to welcome illegal immigrants and treat them like U.S. citizens. Every single Democrat
candidate has promised to provide government health insurance to illegal immigrants. This, obviously, would be even more of a magnet to illegal immigration, and the criminal variety.
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 09:01:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 09:01:47 PM
There are instances where countries choose not to enforce immigration law if it fills an immediate need that cannot be filled domestically. And also the migrants themselves keep a low profile. That is not the case in the United States. Too many immigrants appear in crime stats. And they sure as hell should not be receiving any taxpayer funded services. This is an insult to citizens and of course it breeds resentment.
Korea has about 350,000 thousand illegal workers. The overwhelming majority do dirty, dangerous and difficult work that Koreans won't do, that must be done and the Korean DOJ does not enforce immigration law in those cases. Occasionally there are crackdowns, but it's usually those who are not there to work. In other words, sell drugs or engage in prostitution. A crackdown in the US is long overdue. No other country would tolerate illegal alien repeat offender criminals using social services.
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Gaon on August 25, 2019, 09:41:12 PM
Post by: Gaon on August 25, 2019, 09:41:12 PM
There are instances where countries choose not to enforce immigration law if it fills an immediate need that cannot be filled domestically. And also the migrants themselves keep a low profile. That is not the case in the United States. Too many immigrants appear in crime stats. And they sure as hell should not be receiving any taxpayer funded services. This is an insult to citizens and of course it breeds resentment.
Korea has about 350,000 thousand illegal workers. The overwhelming majority do dirty, dangerous and difficult work that Koreans won't do and the Korean DOJ does not enforce immigration law. Occasionally there are crackdowns, but it's usually those who are not there to work. In other words, sell drugs or engage in prostitution. A crackdown in the US is long overdue. No other country would tolerate illegal alien repeat offender criminals using social services.
Russia does what South Korea does. I don't even think Sweden goes as far as the USA in encouraging and accommodating illegal immigrants.
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2019, 06:17:57 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2019, 06:17:57 AM
There are instances where countries choose not to enforce immigration law if it fills an immediate need that cannot be filled domestically. And also the migrants themselves keep a low profile. That is not the case in the United States. Too many immigrants appear in crime stats. And they sure as hell should not be receiving any taxpayer funded services. This is an insult to citizens and of course it breeds resentment.
Korea has about 350,000 thousand illegal workers. The overwhelming majority do dirty, dangerous and difficult work that Koreans won't do, that must be done and the Korean DOJ does not enforce immigration law in those cases. Occasionally there are crackdowns, but it's usually those who are not there to work. In other words, sell drugs or engage in prostitution. A crackdown in the US is long overdue. No other country would tolerate illegal alien repeat offender criminals using social services.
Taiwan has relaxed illegal immigration enforcement as part of President Tsai's shift Southward, away from China since she came to office in 2016..
As Taiwan has relaxed visitor visa rules for South East Asian countries, the number of people from that region overstaying visas has gone up.
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2019, 10:18:57 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2019, 10:18:57 AM
There are instances where countries choose not to enforce immigration law if it fills an immediate need that cannot be filled domestically. And also the migrants themselves keep a low profile. That is not the case in the United States. Too many immigrants appear in crime stats. And they sure as hell should not be receiving any taxpayer funded services. This is an insult to citizens and of course it breeds resentment.
Korea has about 350,000 thousand illegal workers. The overwhelming majority do dirty, dangerous and difficult work that Koreans won't do and the Korean DOJ does not enforce immigration law. Occasionally there are crackdowns, but it's usually those who are not there to work. In other words, sell drugs or engage in prostitution. A crackdown in the US is long overdue. No other country would tolerate illegal alien repeat offender criminals using social services.
Russia does what South Korea does. I don't even think Sweden goes as far as the USA in encouraging and accommodating illegal immigrants.
The biggest political party in the states wants to make no distinction between legal and illegal migrants. They want make borders meaningless. The other political party is not much better. President Trump has reminded both parties that crossing a border without permission is a crime, doing it more than once is a felony, illegal immigration costs Americans tens of billions of dollars every year, and that he was elected to stop this prog insanity on behalf of the American people.
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 08, 2019, 02:13:50 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 08, 2019, 02:13:50 PM
Title: Re: DOJ: 64% of Federal Arrests in 2018 Were of Non-U.S. Citizens
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2019, 12:30:19 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2019, 12:30:19 AM
Borders work. Just consider the new Hungarian border fence that delivers electric shocks.Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/58b8ad0bbe96731d008b46da-1190-625/hungary-builds-new-high-tech-border-fence--with-few-migrants-in-sight.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://static5.businessinsider.com/imag%20...%20-sight.jpg%22%3Ehttp://static5.businessinsider.com/image/58b8ad0bbe96731d008b46da-1190-625/hungary-builds-new-high-tech-border-fence--with-few-migrants-in-sight.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)