Title: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2019, 08:40:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2019, 08:40:06 PM
The good news is that ample identified reserves for the renewable energy transition, at least, do exist. The key challenge is lead-times. It takes large capital investments and between 10-20 years to open new mines.
One solution is to find viable substitutions for rare metals. This holds some promise, but could also shift the burden to other metals. Another solution is for Europe and others to revitalise domestic mining industries using new technologies that can reduce their energy and water footprint. This could still be costly—and domestic reserves aren't ample enough to rival the likes of China.
This false idea that we can get something from nothing is a bold faced lie. There is not enough rare earth metals in the world for solar power. And the country that has the most also has large polluting mines that would make urban environmentalists faint. The world has a lot more fossil fuels than we do rare earth metals. Oil, gas, and coal are not renewable(for now), but they are a lot more abundant than the rare earth metals required for solar. Plus, we have our own raw materials.
Title: Re: Solar energy is not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2019, 08:49:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2019, 08:49:27 PM
We don't have to import them.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2019, 08:59:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2019, 08:59:19 PM
We are better off in Western Canada using hydro or natural gas..Quote from: "Fashionista"
We don't have to import them.
You can see why China is promoting solar panels globally. They own almost all the rare earth metals and produce a lot of solar panels. There is no environmental benefit to the massive amount of mining and water required for solar energy. Not to mention the security risks of being dependent on China for our energy needs.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Gaon on August 24, 2019, 09:10:41 PM
Post by: Gaon on August 24, 2019, 09:10:41 PM
We are better off in Western Canada using hydro or natural gas..Quote from: "Fashionista"
We don't have to import them.
You can see why China is promoting solar panels globally. They own almost all the rare earth metals and produce a lot of solar panels. There is no environmental benefit to the massive amount of mining and water required for solar energy. Not to mention the security risks of being dependent on China for our energy needs.
Those two forms of energy are not green and not sustainable.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: cc on August 24, 2019, 09:11:56 PM
Post by: cc on August 24, 2019, 09:11:56 PM
HET generates a lot of torque at lower RPMs than a conventional permanent magnet motor, which means
This breakthrough would allow US EV manufacturers
Linear Labs is currently building prototypes of its new motors for use in various industries. The first transportation application will be in micro-mobility (scooters, electric longboards, e-bikes, and motorcycles) next year, followed by electric cars in 2021.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2019, 09:16:58 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2019, 09:16:58 PM
Here's one of interestQuote from: "cc"Texas Firm Claims To Have Developed The "Holy Grail" Of Electric Motors(//https)
HET generates a lot of torque at lower RPMs than a conventional permanent magnet motor, which meansit can be constructed out of less expensive and widely available iron ferrite magnates, rather than expensive neodymium. Neodymium is used in motors where maximum torque is produced at high speeds, but it works similarly to iron ferrite at lower RPMs.
This breakthrough would allow US EV manufacturers to ditch sourcing of neodymium from China, and use cheaper and widely available ferrite magnates from other countries.
Linear Labs is currently building prototypes of its new motors for use in various industries. The first transportation application will be in micro-mobility (scooters, electric longboards, e-bikes, and motorcycles) next year, followed by electric cars in 2021.
I am not a gear head. But, it seems they would not have to buy certain rare earth metals from China. But, metals still have to be mined. The US can either issue permits for new mines which green extremists hate or let other countries open new mines to meet American demand. Either way, solar energy is not renewable.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Bricktop on August 24, 2019, 09:30:29 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 24, 2019, 09:30:29 PM
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2019, 09:32:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2019, 09:32:29 PM
If every vehicle was powered by electricity, the power grid would collapse.Quote from: "Bricktop"
Like I said, unsustainable.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2019, 09:44:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2019, 09:44:51 PM
If every vehicle was powered by electricity, the power grid would collapse.Quote from: "Bricktop"
I read that too..
But, politicians who say they are committed to
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 07:06:21 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 07:06:21 AM
Here's one of interestQuote from: "cc"Texas Firm Claims To Have Developed The "Holy Grail" Of Electric Motors(//https)
HET generates a lot of torque at lower RPMs than a conventional permanent magnet motor, which meansit can be constructed out of less expensive and widely available iron ferrite magnates, rather than expensive neodymium. Neodymium is used in motors where maximum torque is produced at high speeds, but it works similarly to iron ferrite at lower RPMs.
This breakthrough would allow US EV manufacturers to ditch sourcing of neodymium from China, and use cheaper and widely available ferrite magnates from other countries.
Linear Labs is currently building prototypes of its new motors for use in various industries. The first transportation application will be in micro-mobility (scooters, electric longboards, e-bikes, and motorcycles) next year, followed by electric cars in 2021.
I am not a gear head. But, it seems they would not have to buy certain rare earth metals from China. But, metals still have to be mined. The US can either issue permits for new mines which green extremists hate or let other countries open new mines to meet American demand. Either way, solar energy is not renewable.
Other than clear cutting rain forests, nothing makes urban latte slurping progs more squeamish than photos of open hole mines complete with talings ponds that can spill into waterways. Expect a hundred fold increase in those mines in third world countries and it still will not be enough for unsustainable wind and solar to supplant localized sources like hydro, natural gas or coal.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 09:25:25 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 09:25:25 AM
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: caskur on August 25, 2019, 10:33:22 AM
Post by: caskur on August 25, 2019, 10:33:22 AM
coal, wind, gas, solar, and nuclear although nuclear has proved the most dangerous especially reactor meltdowns.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 02:19:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 02:19:09 PM
It won't be and shouldn't be any one source but ALL the sources at our disposal...Quote from: "caskur"
coal, wind, gas, solar, and nuclear although nuclear has proved the most dangerous especially reactor meltdowns.
Like old Jock said, whatever is most abundant at the regional level. I disagree about nuclear. There's no reason it cannot be perfectly safe.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 03:01:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 03:01:39 PM
Here's one of interestQuote from: "cc"Texas Firm Claims To Have Developed The "Holy Grail" Of Electric Motors(//https)
HET generates a lot of torque at lower RPMs than a conventional permanent magnet motor, which meansit can be constructed out of less expensive and widely available iron ferrite magnates, rather than expensive neodymium. Neodymium is used in motors where maximum torque is produced at high speeds, but it works similarly to iron ferrite at lower RPMs.
This breakthrough would allow US EV manufacturers to ditch sourcing of neodymium from China, and use cheaper and widely available ferrite magnates from other countries.
Linear Labs is currently building prototypes of its new motors for use in various industries. The first transportation application will be in micro-mobility (scooters, electric longboards, e-bikes, and motorcycles) next year, followed by electric cars in 2021.
I am not a gear head. But, it seems they would not have to buy certain rare earth metals from China. But, metals still have to be mined. The US can either issue permits for new mines which green extremists hate or let other countries open new mines to meet American demand. Either way, solar energy is not renewable.
Other than clear cutting rain forests, nothing makes urban latte slurping progs more squeamish than photos of open hole mines complete with talings ponds that can spill into waterways. Expect a hundred fold increase in those mines in third world countries and it still will not be enough for unsustainable wind and solar to supplant localized sources like hydro, natural gas or coal.
I don't think they've thought this through.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Thiel on August 25, 2019, 07:51:45 PM
Post by: Thiel on August 25, 2019, 07:51:45 PM
I'm no fan of electric cars , but here's something interestingQuote from: "cc"Texas Firm Claims To Have Developed The "Holy Grail" Of Electric Motors(//https)
HET generates a lot of torque at lower RPMs than a conventional permanent magnet motor, which meansit can be constructed out of less expensive and widely available iron ferrite magnates, rather than expensive neodymium. Neodymium is used in motors where maximum torque is produced at high speeds, but it works similarly to iron ferrite at lower RPMs.
This breakthrough would allow US EV manufacturersto ditch sourcing of neodymium from China, and use cheaper and widely available ferrite magnates from other countries.
Linear Labs is currently building prototypes of its new motors for use in various industries. The first transportation application will be in micro-mobility (scooters, electric longboards, e-bikes, and motorcycles) next year, followed by electric cars in 2021.
I was in China last month. Even the Chinese are concerned about the supply of rare earth metals.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: caskur on August 25, 2019, 08:59:24 PM
Post by: caskur on August 25, 2019, 08:59:24 PM
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 09:03:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 09:03:39 PM
Western Australia has all the minerals needed for the planet...Quote from: "caskur"
Western Canada has all the oil and natural gas to supply the planet.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 09:26:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 09:26:59 PM
Western Australia has all the minerals needed for the planet...Quote from: "caskur"
Western Canada has all the oil and natural gas to supply the planet.
We are not even allowed to supply our own country. We have the third highest proven oil reserves in the world, but we import over 800,000 barrels of oil per day.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Bricktop on August 25, 2019, 09:34:33 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 25, 2019, 09:34:33 PM
It won't be and shouldn't be any one source but ALL the sources at our disposal...Quote from: "caskur"
coal, wind, gas, solar, and nuclear although nuclear has proved the most dangerous especially reactor meltdowns.
What has killed more people?
The nuclear energy chain, or the fossil fuel chain?
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Thiel on August 25, 2019, 09:36:36 PM
Post by: Thiel on August 25, 2019, 09:36:36 PM
It won't be and shouldn't be any one source but ALL the sources at our disposal...Quote from: "caskur"
coal, wind, gas, solar, and nuclear although nuclear has proved the most dangerous especially reactor meltdowns.
What has killed more people?
The nuclear energy chain, or the fossil fuel chain?
Direct deaths from either one are extremely low.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: caskur on August 25, 2019, 09:43:58 PM
Post by: caskur on August 25, 2019, 09:43:58 PM
It won't be and shouldn't be any one source but ALL the sources at our disposal...Quote from: "caskur"
coal, wind, gas, solar, and nuclear although nuclear has proved the most dangerous especially reactor meltdowns.
What has killed more people?
The nuclear energy chain, or the fossil fuel chain?
I don't know...
which one?
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Gaon on August 25, 2019, 09:46:43 PM
Post by: Gaon on August 25, 2019, 09:46:43 PM
Western Australia has all the minerals needed for the planet...Quote from: "caskur"
Western Canada has all the oil and natural gas to supply the planet.
We are not even allowed to supply our own country. We have the third highest proven oil reserves in the world, but we import over 800,000 barrels of oil per day.:crazy:
The thing that I find the most unusual about Canadian politics is the hatred some Canadians have for the resources that produce prosperity. I only found out in the past few months that Canada actually imports oil because some parts of Canada think Arabs produce oil better than Canada does. So, Canada's oil and prosperity stays in the ground.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: caskur on August 25, 2019, 09:50:34 PM
Post by: caskur on August 25, 2019, 09:50:34 PM
Western Australia has all the minerals needed for the planet...Quote from: "caskur"Western Canada has all the oil and natural gas to supply the planet.. We have the third highest proven oil reserves in the world, but we import over 800,000 barrels of oil per day. We are not even allowed to supply our own country]
That is what we're experiencing too... AND (omg, I had a valid thought that just disappeared) I hope it's not early dementia. Shee-it!~
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: caskur on August 25, 2019, 09:54:52 PM
Post by: caskur on August 25, 2019, 09:54:52 PM
Western Australia has all the minerals needed for the planet...Quote from: "caskur"
Western Canada has all the oil and natural gas to supply the planet.
We are not even allowed to supply our own country. We have the third highest proven oil reserves in the world, but we import over 800,000 barrels of oil per day.:crazy:
The thing that I find the most unusual about Canadian politics is the hatred some Canadians have for the resources that produce prosperity. I only found out in the past few months that Canada actually imports oil because some parts of Canada think Arabs produce oil better than Canada does. So, Canada's oil and prosperity stays in the ground.
It's a balance of trade... They cap our gas to use for latter generations... find gas, cap it,... find more gas, cap that and so on.
in our case, we trade commodities like wheat for oil... that's how it works... Australia even grows rice for Asia.
I don't know enough about Canada but they're swapping something for something.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 10:03:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2019, 10:03:19 PM
It's a balance of trade... They cap our gas to use for latter generations... find gas, cap it,... find more gas, cap that and so on.
in our case, we trade commodities like wheat for oil... that's how it works... Australia even grows rice for Asia.
I don't know enough about Canada but they're swapping something for something.
It has nothing to do with trade. Canada only has pipelines going to the US. No pipelines to our coasts and to international markets. Thanks to advanced extraction technologies, the US is now the world's biggest producer of oil. With less need of Canadian oil, they discount it. But, if we can get our oil to tidewater, we would get international prices. That is not in America's interests. Hence, American NGO's spend millions interfering in our politics to prevent tidewater pipelines from being built. Russia and Saudi Arabia don't want competition from Canada and do the same. Vivian Krause has written extensively about this.
The cash pipeline opposing Canadian oil pipelines
The anti-pipeline machine is a "directed, network campaign," a new breed of professional, staged activism
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2019, 05:41:06 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2019, 05:41:06 AM
It's a balance of trade... They cap our gas to use for latter generations... find gas, cap it,... find more gas, cap that and so on.
in our case, we trade commodities like wheat for oil... that's how it works... Australia even grows rice for Asia.
I don't know enough about Canada but they're swapping something for something.
It has nothing to do with trade. Canada only has pipelines going to the US. No pipelines to our coasts and to international markets. Thanks to advanced extraction technologies, the US is now the world's biggest producer of oil. With less need of Canadian oil, they discount it. But, if we can get our oil to tidewater, we would get international prices. That is not in America's interests. Hence, American NGO's spend millions interfering in our politics to prevent tidewater pipelines from being built. Russia and Saudi Arabia don't want competition from Canada and do the same. Vivian Krause has written extensively about this.
The cash pipeline opposing Canadian oil pipelines
The anti-pipeline machine is a "directed, network campaign," a new breed of professional, staged activismhttps://business.financialpost.com/opinion/vivian-krause-the-cash-pipeline-opposing-canadian-oil-pipelines
I read this costs our country $100 million dollars a day.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: caskur on August 26, 2019, 10:32:40 PM
Post by: caskur on August 26, 2019, 10:32:40 PM
It's a balance of trade... They cap our gas to use for latter generations... find gas, cap it,... find more gas, cap that and so on.
in our case, we trade commodities like wheat for oil... that's how it works... Australia even grows rice for Asia.
I don't know enough about Canada but they're swapping something for something.
It has nothing to do with trade. Canada only has pipelines going to the US. No pipelines to our coasts and to international markets. Thanks to advanced extraction technologies, the US is now the world's biggest producer of oil. With less need of Canadian oil, they discount it. But, if we can get our oil to tidewater, we would get international prices. That is not in America's interests. Hence, American NGO's spend millions interfering in our politics to prevent tidewater pipelines from being built. Russia and Saudi Arabia don't want competition from Canada and do the same. Vivian Krause has written extensively about this.
The cash pipeline opposing Canadian oil pipelines
The anti-pipeline machine is a "directed, network campaign," a new breed of professional, staged activismhttps://business.financialpost.com/opinion/vivian-krause-the-cash-pipeline-opposing-canadian-oil-pipelines
What does Canada trade then? Timber?
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2019, 09:16:12 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2019, 09:16:12 AM
It's a balance of trade... They cap our gas to use for latter generations... find gas, cap it,... find more gas, cap that and so on.
in our case, we trade commodities like wheat for oil... that's how it works... Australia even grows rice for Asia.
I don't know enough about Canada but they're swapping something for something.
It has nothing to do with trade. Canada only has pipelines going to the US. No pipelines to our coasts and to international markets. Thanks to advanced extraction technologies, the US is now the world's biggest producer of oil. With less need of Canadian oil, they discount it. But, if we can get our oil to tidewater, we would get international prices. That is not in America's interests. Hence, American NGO's spend millions interfering in our politics to prevent tidewater pipelines from being built. Russia and Saudi Arabia don't want competition from Canada and do the same. Vivian Krause has written extensively about this.
The cash pipeline opposing Canadian oil pipelines
The anti-pipeline machine is a "directed, network campaign," a new breed of professional, staged activismhttps://business.financialpost.com/opinion/vivian-krause-the-cash-pipeline-opposing-canadian-oil-pipelines
What does Canada trade then? Timber?
Oil, natural gas and refined products are our biggest exports, but we lose tens of billions every year because all of our pipelines go South instead of to our coasts and international markets..
The USA is the world's biggest producer of oil and doesn't need our oil less all the time, therefore they put big discounts on it.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 08, 2019, 02:21:02 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 08, 2019, 02:21:02 PM
Western Australia has all the minerals needed for the planet...Quote from: "caskur"
Western Canada has all the oil and natural gas to supply the planet.
We are not even allowed to supply our own country. We have the third highest proven oil reserves in the world, but we import over 800,000 barrels of oil per day.:crazy:
The thing that I find the most unusual about Canadian politics is the hatred some Canadians have for the resources that produce prosperity. I only found out in the past few months that Canada actually imports oil because some parts of Canada think Arabs produce oil better than Canada does. So, Canada's oil and prosperity stays in the ground.
Yes, this is really baffling and very unfortunate and frustrating even to a newcomer to these parts.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on September 08, 2019, 09:54:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 08, 2019, 09:54:04 PM
Western Australia has all the minerals needed for the planet...Quote from: "caskur"
Western Canada has all the oil and natural gas to supply the planet.
We are not even allowed to supply our own country. We have the third highest proven oil reserves in the world, but we import over 800,000 barrels of oil per day.:crazy:
The thing that I find the most unusual about Canadian politics is the hatred some Canadians have for the resources that produce prosperity. I only found out in the past few months that Canada actually imports oil because some parts of Canada think Arabs produce oil better than Canada does. So, Canada's oil and prosperity stays in the ground.
Yes, this is really baffling and very unfortunate and frustrating even to a newcomer to these parts.
I have relatives in Taiwan that can't understand why we import oil.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: caskur on September 08, 2019, 11:37:35 PM
Post by: caskur on September 08, 2019, 11:37:35 PM
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on September 08, 2019, 11:43:01 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 08, 2019, 11:43:01 PM
Because Canada like Australia will need their oil in the future...And we use the middle east oil in the balance of trade... It's cheaper to buy THEIR oil than use our own at the moment.Quote from: "caskur"
WRONG!
The Americans, Russians and OPEC want to block competition from Canada.
Saudis ripped for trying to block pro-oil sands ad
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: caskur on September 09, 2019, 12:22:45 AM
Post by: caskur on September 09, 2019, 12:22:45 AM
Because Canada like Australia will need their oil in the future...And we use the middle east oil in the balance of trade... It's cheaper to buy THEIR oil than use our own at the moment.Quote from: "caskur"
WRONG!
The Americans, Russians and OPEC want to block competition from Canada.https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/saudis-ripped-for-trying-to-block-pro-oil-sands-ad
Saudis ripped for trying to block pro-oil sands ad
If you don't create economies by buying their only real hot commodity in those Muslim countries then guess where they are going to move to?
I'd rather buy their oil and keep them far far away from me. Hey, but you might like having Muslims next to you, I dunno!~
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2019, 12:25:51 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2019, 12:25:51 AM
Because Canada like Australia will need their oil in the future...And we use the middle east oil in the balance of trade... It's cheaper to buy THEIR oil than use our own at the moment.Quote from: "caskur"
WRONG!
The Americans, Russians and OPEC want to block competition from Canada.https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/saudis-ripped-for-trying-to-block-pro-oil-sands-ad
Saudis ripped for trying to block pro-oil sands ad
If you don't create economies by buying their only real hot commodity in those Muslim countries then guess where they are going to move to?
It's not just the Middle East though. Russia and the US are trying to block Canadian competition in oil and gas.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: caskur on September 09, 2019, 05:16:26 AM
Post by: caskur on September 09, 2019, 05:16:26 AM
arseholes all of them.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2019, 07:31:28 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2019, 07:31:28 AM
Bloody Russians and Yanks...Quote from: "caskur"
arseholes all of them.
I don't hate them..
But, they are afraid of competition from Canada.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2019, 08:15:10 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2019, 08:15:10 AM
Researcher exposes money trail behind U.S.-based campaign to kill the oilsands
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: caskur on September 09, 2019, 10:10:30 AM
Post by: caskur on September 09, 2019, 10:10:30 AM
caskur, take a look at this.Quote from: "seoulbro"
Researcher exposes money trail behind U.S.-based campaign to kill the oilsandshttps://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/corbella-vivian-krause-should-become-a-household-name-across-canada
The US are huge consumers of oil.
The article demonizers conservationists. I would like to see more evidence other than an article claiming they are being funded by the USA company profiteering from oil. Having said that, countries relying on their mining resources have their hands tied.
The USA have a HUGE military to support, they're not going to be changing their ways any time in the near future. They'll haggle for the lowest prices.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2019, 10:16:18 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2019, 10:16:18 AM
caskur, take a look at this.Quote from: "seoulbro"
Researcher exposes money trail behind U.S.-based campaign to kill the oilsandshttps://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/corbella-vivian-krause-should-become-a-household-name-across-canada
The US are huge consumers of oil.
The article demonizers conservationists. I would like to see more evidence other than an article claiming they are being funded by the USA company profiteering from oil. Having said that, countries relying on their mining resources have their hands tied.
The USA have a HUGE military to support, they're not going to be changing their ways any time in the near future. They'll haggle for the lowest prices.
You didn't read that article at all. It exposes a massive billiomaire financed conspiracy and fraud against Canadian oil by billionaires who don't want competition from Canadian oil which has the highest social and environmental standards in the world.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: caskur on September 09, 2019, 10:50:39 AM
Post by: caskur on September 09, 2019, 10:50:39 AM
caskur, take a look at this.Quote from: "seoulbro"
Researcher exposes money trail behind U.S.-based campaign to kill the oilsandshttps://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/corbella-vivian-krause-should-become-a-household-name-across-canada
The US are huge consumers of oil.
The article demonizers conservationists. I would like to see more evidence other than an article claiming they are being funded by the USA company profiteering from oil. Having said that, countries relying on their mining resources have their hands tied.
The USA have a HUGE military to support, they're not going to be changing their ways any time in the near future. They'll haggle for the lowest prices.
You didn't read that article at all. It exposes a massive billiomaire financed conspiracy and fraud against Canadian oil by billionaires who don't want competition from Canadian oil which has the highest social and environmental standards in the world.
Yeah I read it but I don't fully comprehend it.
It lost me here...
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: caskur on September 09, 2019, 11:05:01 AM
Post by: caskur on September 09, 2019, 11:05:01 AM
As a conservationist myself, false information about the environment worries me. Actually it GREATLY upsets me.
Both sides of politics are known to corrupt information.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2019, 10:20:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2019, 10:20:48 PM
The article also says this,...Quote from: "caskur"quote: "Eight years ago, while researching who was behind an unscientific, misinformation campaign against farmed Canadian salmon, Krause "came across these three little words: oil sands Campaign" in the tax forms of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund (which, ironically, made its billions from oil and gas)."
As a conservationist myself, false information about the environment worries me. Actually it GREATLY upsets me.
Both sides of politics are known to corrupt information.
I believe you are a genuine conservationist..
The international billionaires trying to keep Canada's oil from competing with OPEC, the USA, and Russia are not.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2019, 12:05:30 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2019, 12:05:30 AM
The article also says this,...Quote from: "caskur"quote: "Eight years ago, while researching who was behind an unscientific, misinformation campaign against farmed Canadian salmon, Krause "came across these three little words: oil sands Campaign" in the tax forms of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund (which, ironically, made its billions from oil and gas)."
As a conservationist myself, false information about the environment worries me. Actually it GREATLY upsets me.
Both sides of politics are known to corrupt information.
I believe you are a genuine conservationist..
The international billionaires trying to keep Canada's oil from competing with OPEC, the USA, and Russia are not.
The global environmental movement is about consolidating money and power. Particularly as it relates to climate change. But, I do not question caskur's commtment to the cause.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Thiel on September 24, 2019, 06:11:03 PM
Post by: Thiel on September 24, 2019, 06:11:03 PM
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on October 03, 2019, 02:26:22 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 03, 2019, 02:26:22 PM
Renewable energy is taking the world by storm, as "greenies" everywhere welcome with open arms the latest iterations of solar panels, wind turbines, and other "clean" energy alternatives to traditional fossil fuels like coal. But one of the things that many people who believe in "green energy" fail to realize is that many of their favorite technologies require the use of so-called rare earth minerals and other elements that involve dirty mining and slave-like labor conditions.
A bulk of the world's rare earth elements (REEs) comes from two places: China and Africa. Chinese REEs account for 95 percent of the world's supply, and reports indicate that the situation isn't pretty. Not only is the extraction of these minerals the exact opposite of "green" and "clean," but the folks tasked with performing the labor – and those who end up encountering much of the polluting byproducts – represent some of the world's most vulnerable.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2019, 10:04:15 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2019, 10:04:15 PM
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2019, 10:14:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2019, 10:14:37 PM
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2019, 01:20:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2019, 01:20:48 PM
By Pierre Desrochers, a senior fellow at the Fraser Institute.
These days, wind and solar power are constantly depicted as desirable "energy alternatives" to fossil fuels, but many Albertans and Canadians are unaware of their environmental impacts.
Sure, the blanketing of scenic coastlines with skyscraper-size wind turbines are rather obvious, but turbine construction and installation also depends on fossil fuels.
There's the diesel-powered heavy equipment, which clears sites, digs foundations, transports components and assembles them.
The coal or natural-gas-fired kilns that bake the concrete, additional coal to forge steel for foundations and towers, and the hydrocarbon-based fiberglass for their blades.
Solar panels also affect the environment in similar ways, be it extracting resources for their manufacture and transportation, devoting land to their installation, and maintaining, decommissioning and ultimately disposing of them.
And crucially, there's no adequate storage technology for the electricity wind and solar produce.
As noted in a recent study published by the Fraser Institute, most renewable energy capacity in Canada comes from wind turbines, which produce very little electricity even when there's adequate wind.
Hundreds if not thousands of them (and all their concrete, steel and other materials) are required to produce as much electricity as a single coal, natural gas or nuclear-powered plant.
Moreover, standalone turbines must connect by powerlines to the electricity grid, which obviously requires much more infrastructure than when electricity is generated in a single power plant.
(And to preserve their "green image," powerlines are often buried, adding considerably to the cost and environmental impact.)
This being said,
And yet, despite more than two decades of massive subsidies, tax preferences and purchasing mandates from governments, wind and solar power still represent barely more than a rounding error of global energy production.
In jurisdictions where renewables enjoyed strong but ill-considered political support, consumers and taxpayers now face much higher electricity bills and less-reliable power.
And despite promises to the contrary, countries such as Germany, which have significantly increased wind and solar electricity production, have seen no meaningful reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.
In the end, however, politicians cannot defy the laws of physics and economics.
The promise of wind and solar power will always clash with the need for electricity that is low cost and reliable.
That's why voters routinely punish politicians who pursue flawed renewable energy policies across Canada and beyond.
Rising electricity costs due to increased wind and solar power damage the economy by making businesses that consume significant volumes of electricity less competitive and by leaving less money in the pockets of consumers.
Far from being a miracle cure-all for the shortcomings of conventional power generation, wind and solar power exaggerate the symptoms they pretend to address.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2019, 09:30:02 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2019, 09:30:02 AM
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2019, 10:18:58 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2019, 10:18:58 PM
A few articles have noted some of the serious environmental, toxic/radioactive waste, human health, and child labor issues inherent in mining rare-earth and cobalt/lithium deposits
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2019, 04:22:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2019, 04:22:28 PM
Since mid-October, some 128 people on the island of Oahu have been arrested while protesting a wind energy project being built near the small village of Kahuku. The project is planned to include eight turbines standing 568 feet high. Many of the arrests occurred after protesters blocked trucks carrying equipment to the site. The protests continued on Nov. 1, when about 30 anti-wind protesters occupied the office of Honolulu Mayor Kirk Caldwell for three hours.
The refusal of all-renewable advocates to consider the cartoonish land requirements of their schemes and how those plans are affecting ordinary people in rural areas is perhaps the single biggest disconnect in the current energy debate. How cartoonish? Last year, two Harvard researchers found that meeting current U.S. electricity needs with wind would require covering a land area twice the size of California with wind turbines. That's beyond Looney Tunes.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Thiel on November 15, 2019, 03:02:45 PM
Post by: Thiel on November 15, 2019, 03:02:45 PM
Old Herman sure as hell doesn't want some big waste of land wind farm near my farm.Quote from: "Herman"https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/469870-hawaii-protests-show-why-wind-energy-cant-save-us-from-climate?fbclid=IwAR3IdPZoqe-1Rno8k87mD0V4ueI26_D_IdmAZx-JwmXKPsHLQOR-yyV7swc
Since mid-October, some 128 people on the island of Oahu have been arrested while protesting a wind energy project being built near the small village of Kahuku. The project is planned to include eight turbines standing 568 feet high. Many of the arrests occurred after protesters blocked trucks carrying equipment to the site. The protests continued on Nov. 1, when about 30 anti-wind protesters occupied the office of Honolulu Mayor Kirk Caldwell for three hours.
The refusal of all-renewable advocates to consider the cartoonish land requirements of their schemes and how those plans are affecting ordinary people in rural areas is perhaps the single biggest disconnect in the current energy debate. How cartoonish? Last year, two Harvard researchers found that meeting current U.S. electricity needs with wind would require covering a land area twice the size of California with wind turbines. That's beyond Looney Tunes.
Wind is so expensive, and inefficient. It requires a massive land footprint for a small amount of energy. It's wasteful.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2019, 08:25:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2019, 08:25:35 PM
Europe's Wind Industry Faces Total Collapse: No New Wind Farms Built Since 2017
RE zealots tout rapidly increasing wind power capacity as 'success'. Except, in Europe a dozen countries haven't erected a single turbine during 2018, and that coincides with a massive slowdown in construction elsewhere.
As you tread your way through the following article, be sure to ignore the usual rubbish about this wind farm 'powering' hundreds of thousands of homes. What they meant to say, of course, is that – on those rare occasions when wind conditions are perfect – and the turbines are actually operable, heavily subsidised wind power will knock conventionally generated electricity out of the market, for a few hours at a stretch. Until calm weather sets in and coal, gas, hydro and nuclear picks up the tab, once again.
Propaganda aside, the message from the article is pretty clear: with an almost total collapse in new construction, the wind industry has had its heyday in Europe.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2020, 09:21:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2020, 09:21:27 PM
A half-built $200 Million wind farm in Ontario cancelled by environmentalists
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2020, 11:13:15 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2020, 11:13:15 PM
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A half-built $200 Million wind farm in Ontario cancelled by environmentalistshttps://www.thenewtelegraph.ca/latestnews/a-half-built-200-million-ontario-environmentalist-project-cancel-by-environmentalists?fbclid=IwAR1Nt3zVfJorelfP_nAfSSeCXQwXEpy4NKolcnlIwaGH2oRNDo5jMbTNbWM (//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://external.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?w=540&h=282&url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic1.squarespace.com%2Fstatic%2F5dd964580b17da177eb954ea%2F5dd96507ee3ebb607ac47ecf%2F5df082c49e81783182600aff%2F1576472757899%2Fphoto_2019-12-10_15-36-36.jpg%3Fformat%3D1500w&cfs=1&upscale=1&fallback=news_d_placeholder_publisher&_nc_hash=AQCCiZF9VQVd1zJP%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://external.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/%20...%20F9VQVd1zJP%22%3Ehttps://external.fyxd2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?w=540&h=282&url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic1.squarespace.com%2Fstatic%2F5dd964580b17da177eb954ea%2F5dd96507ee3ebb607ac47ecf%2F5df082c49e81783182600aff%2F1576472757899%2Fphoto_2019-12-10_15-36-36.jpg%3Fformat%3D1500w&cfs=1&upscale=1&fallback=news_d_placeholder_publisher&_nc_hash=AQCCiZF9VQVd1zJP%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
It's hard to sell properties near Pincher Creek's massive windfarms.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2020, 08:38:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2020, 08:38:11 PM
Shale gas site 'creates the least visual intrusion' compared with wind or solar farm for same energy, according to Government's former chief scientific advisor on energy
A wind farm requires 700 times more land to produce the same amount of energy as a fracking site, according to analysis by the energy department's recently-departed chief scientific advisor.
Prof David MacKay, who stood down from the Government role at the end of July, published analysis putting shale gas extraction "in perspective", showing it was far less intrusive on the landscape than wind or solar energy.
Prof MacKay said that a shale gas site uses less land and "creates the least visual intrusion", compared with a wind farm or solar farm capable of producing the equivalent amount of energy over 25 years.
Wind is antiquated and unsustainable.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2020, 08:45:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2020, 08:45:56 PM
The most powerful known greenhouse gas has been leaking into the Earth's atmosphere due to the green energy boom, it was reported on Friday night.
Sulphur hexafluoride, or SF6, is widely used in the electrical industry to prevent short circuits and accidents.
It is 23,500 times more warming than carbon dioxide (CO2), and just one kilogram warms the Earth as much as 24 people flying London to New York return.
Emissions of the gas in the UK and the rest of the EU in 2017 were the equivalent of putting an extra 1.3million cars on the road.
"As renewable projects are getting bigger and bigger, we have had to use it within wind turbines specifically," Costa Pirgousis, an engineer with Scottish Power Renewables, told the BBC.
"As we are putting in more and more turbines, we need more and more switchgear and, as a result, more SF6 is being introduced into big turbines off shore.
Wind turbines increase emissions.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on February 07, 2020, 12:04:54 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 07, 2020, 12:04:54 AM
Wind farm 'needs 700 times more land' than hydraulic fracturing site to produce same energy
Shale gas site 'creates the least visual intrusion' compared with wind or solar farm for same energy, according to Government's former chief scientific advisor on energy
A wind farm requires 700 times more land to produce the same amount of energy as a hydraulic fracturing site, according to analysis by the energy department's recently-departed chief scientific advisor.
Prof David MacKay, who stood down from the Government role at the end of July, published analysis putting shale gas extraction "in perspective", showing it was far less intrusive on the landscape than wind or solar energy.
Prof MacKay said that a shale gas site uses less land and "creates the least visual intrusion", compared with a wind farm or solar farm capable of producing the equivalent amount of energy over 25 years.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/hydraulic fracturing/11034270/Wind-farm-needs-700-times-more-land-than-fracking-site.html
Wind is antiquated and unsustainable.
Natural gas has the smallest land footprint of any type of energy.
Good find Seoul brother. These articles will make the forum rounds.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2020, 06:57:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2020, 06:57:46 PM
A wind turbine's blades can be longer than a Boeing 747 wing, so at the end of their lifespan they can't just be hauled away. First, you need to saw through the lissome fiberglass using a diamond-encrusted industrial saw to create three pieces small enough to be strapped to a tractor-trailer.
The municipal landfill in Casper, Wyoming, is the final resting place of 870 blades whose days making renewable energy have come to end. The severed fragments look like bleached whale bones nestled against one another.
Tens of thousands of aging blades are coming down from steel towers around the world and most have nowhere to go but landfills. In the U.S. alone, about 8,000 will be removed in each of the next four years. Europe, which has been dealing with the problem longer, has about 3,800 coming down annually through at least 2022, according to BloombergNEF. It's going to get worse: Most were built more than a decade ago, when installations were less than a fifth of what they are now.
Wind power creates a lot of waste.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: sasquatch on February 14, 2020, 06:06:41 PM
Post by: sasquatch on February 14, 2020, 06:06:41 PM
The article also says this,...Quote from: "caskur"quote: "Eight years ago, while researching who was behind an unscientific, misinformation campaign against farmed Canadian salmon, Krause "came across these three little words: oil sands Campaign" in the tax forms of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund (which, ironically, made its billions from oil and gas)."
As a conservationist myself, false information about the environment worries me. Actually it GREATLY upsets me.
Both sides of politics are known to corrupt information.
I believe you are a genuine conservationist..
The international billionaires trying to keep Canada's oil from competing with OPEC, the USA, and Russia are not.
Well, there's certain groups trying to stop the united states from competing with OPEC as well, but they have been way less successful because their laws weren't written by fucking monkeys and bleeding hearts.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2020, 07:47:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2020, 07:47:53 PM
The article also says this,...Quote from: "caskur"quote: "Eight years ago, while researching who was behind an unscientific, misinformation campaign against farmed Canadian salmon, Krause "came across these three little words: oil sands Campaign" in the tax forms of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund (which, ironically, made its billions from oil and gas)."
As a conservationist myself, false information about the environment worries me. Actually it GREATLY upsets me.
Both sides of politics are known to corrupt information.
I believe you are a genuine conservationist..
The international billionaires trying to keep Canada's oil from competing with OPEC, the USA, and Russia are not.
Well, there's certain groups trying to stop the united states from competing with OPEC as well, but they have been way less successful because their laws weren't written by fucking monkeys and bleeding hearts.
We elected a monkey.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2020, 11:51:38 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2020, 11:51:38 AM
Small modular nuclear reactors (SMRs) will soon have a presence in Canada. Ontario, New Brunswick and Saskatchewan signed a co-operation agreement last year to develop SMRs, with the first expected to be online in 2028.
Not only would SMRs be able to backstop intermittent wind and solar power, they could also be used to produce green hydrogen through a thermochemical process being developed by Canadian Nuclear Laboratories, said panelists.
Wind and solar need a steady power backup supply, and in places like Germany and California, that has come from coal and natural gas.
SMR's will be part of the electricity mix in Canada. Unlike wind and solar, they don't require huge amounts of land and they don't require back up. We also don't need to use the world's limited supply or rare earth metals.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2020, 10:10:22 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 24, 2020, 10:10:22 PM
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2020, 03:16:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 26, 2020, 03:16:03 PM
Energy Minister Greg Rickford has been forced to defend the cost of cancelling 750 wind and solar contracts, but it's completely rational
The cost and source of Ontario's electrical power has been a hot topic for years, but happily for the PC government, it had dropped from the headlines. That is, until Energy Minister Greg Rickford was forced to defend the cost of cancelling 750 wind and solar contracts.
In Ontario, 86 per cent of power comes from emissions-free hydro and nuclear power. Wind provides seven per cent of the province's electricity, with solar and biofuel contributing less than one per cent. Gas plants produce six per cent of power and act primarily as a backup for wind and solar, when it's not sunny or windy.
Ontario could introduce more wind and solar, but it would do nothing for emissions because that power would be replacing either hydro or nuclear. Besides, more wind in the province's baseline power supply would mean more natural gas needed for back up, too. In environmental terms, the PC government was inarguably right when it decided to cancel unneeded wind and solar projects.
The opposition Ontario NDP does not care about reducing emissions and definitely not saving Ontarians money. They want wind and solar subsidies to continue even when it makes no environmental or economic sense.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2020, 10:32:19 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2020, 10:32:19 AM
Solar and wind are more popular than nuclear — by a lot.
As such, the thinking by those who recognize the need for nuclear has long been that we should mix together solar, wind, and nuclear in people's minds.
Around 2013, a friend asked me, "If we have nuclear, do we really even need solar and wind?"
"Of course not," I replied. "But you can't say that publicly."
I feared that if we told the whole truth we would be ostracized.
Humankind has never transitioned to energy sources that are more costly, less reliable, and have a larger environmental footprint than the incumbent — and yet that's precisely what adding large amounts of solar and wind to the grid requires.
Moreover, past energy transitions delivered both decarbonization and "dematerialization" — less material throughput per unit of energy.
Places like France and Sweden have a few large power plants connected to cities by a few transmission lines. Material throughput is very low.
By contrast, a mixed system would require large amounts of solar and wind and thus far more power plants, transmission lines, and everything else required to provide reliable electricity.
In other words, going from energy-dense fuels to solar and wind requires the rematerialization of energy in the form of more land, materials, mining, storage, and waste.
Solar and wind are unreliable over months and years, not just hours. That means unfathomable quantities of electricity would need to be stored over months or years. Consider that:
It would take 696 storage centers the size of Tesla's in Australia to provide just four hours of backup power for the Australian grid — and cost $50 billion;
It would require 15,280 storage centers the size of Escondido to provide just four hours of backup power for the U.S. grid — at an estimated cost of $764 billion.
Solar and wind are reliant on natural gas and coal. Nuclear on the other hand is more energy dense than coal or natural gas and therefore can produce more energy on a smaller land footprint.
Title: Re: Solar and wind energy are not sustainable
Post by: Anonymous on March 05, 2021, 10:21:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 05, 2021, 10:21:45 PM
