We often think of the need for highly skilled immigrants, but Canadian agriculture has labour shortages too that only immigrants(either temporary) can fill.
By Ryan Koeslag of Canadian Mushroom Growers Association
Canada's immigration discussions continue to be centered on numbers. How many refugees? How many economic immigrants? How many family members?
At the same time the economic immigration policy has become increasingly focused on recruiting "higher-skilled" for jobs in urban centres.
But Canada's agriculture sector needs more people working in agriculture in rural Canada. So we need something different. We are looking for a made in Canada solution for our permanent labour shortage. Why do we need this? The agriculture supply chain is contributing $111 billion per year to the Canadian economy, over 6% of Canada's GDP. That's more than $30 million per day, creating 2.3 million jobs. The mushroom sector contributes close to $1 billion a year to the economy with export increases of over $50 million last year alone.
Yet, there are 16,500 job vacancies on Canadian farms. This labour crisis is causing $2.9 billion lost sales to the economy. Mushroom farms have close to 20% job vacancy rate.
Many farms run ongoing ads and receive no applicants. Even though we pay competitive wages, offer stable work that provides a good quality of life in rural Canada. A wage survey conducted by the Canadian Agricultural Human Resource Council (CAHRC) shows entry level mushroom harvesters start at minimum wage and after training, experienced workers can make up to $29 per hour. Supervisors earn between $35,000 to $80,000 annually.
The most in-demand jobs are our entry level harvester positions — picking mushrooms. For occupations like this, the most difficult to find people for, these are classified as "lower-skilled." So even when there are no Canadian applicants, and we already have a trained workforce of Agricultural Temporary Foreign Workers (TFWS), there are very few immigration options that allow them to stay.
Farmers and processors recruit for something not included in the Canadian immigration merit-based point system. We need people interested in working in agriculture, with experience, who want to participate in rural Canadian life. We can prove this actually supports a very high level of retention.
What we propose in our Give Rural Canada a Chance report, is a new immigration program where rural Canada and agriculture are prioritized. A program that supports job matching of immigrants to regions and sectors with high job vacancies. Where an immigrant coming to Canada has a job from day one in rural Canada, working in an important industry that grows our food, so we can all go to the grocery store and eat Canadian food every day.
In many ways the Temporary Foreign Worker Program (TFWP) already allows for job matching, while providing a Canadian first approach that we support. However, we need a permanent made-in-canada Agrifood solution, not a "temporary" program.
We are happy a new Agrifood Immigration Pilot was announced this summer. Criteria is being finalized. This is a step in the right direction, but we need to make sure it allows real immigration access to workers wanting to work on the farm.
We believe work in rural Canada has value. We believe hard work on the farm has value. We want to support the TFWS on our farms to a clear pathway to citizenship because we want our workers who are employed in yearround jobs to be allowed to stay. In our new video, we show how we support farm workers, including family reunification.
We've done the research and we have the plan to make this happen. We're ready for action.
We call on the Government of Canada and all political parties to work with us on a made in Canada solution to support farm workers, farmers, and safe and affordable Canadian food on our grocery shelves.
I saw a program on CBC several years ago about Jamaicans that go to Southern Ontario every year to pick apples in the fall.
Agriculture in Canada is highly mechanized, but some sectors(fruit growing in particular) still needs large numbers of unskilled workers for very short periods of time every year.
Am I the only one who thinks its pathetic that Canada brings in immigrants to pick fruit for cheap labour...same goes for stuffing in these people to work at Tim Hortons...have you walked into any Tim Hortons lately? Its like immigration land...and to be honest, none of them look happy.
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None of the farming where I live has many workers period. Beef cattle and grain farming are not labour intensive. However, in BC it does require a lot of hands for a short period each year.
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No Canadian wants to do it. They come here for three weeks every year and return home. If you got a better idea, let's hear it.
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No Canadian wants to do it. They come here for three weeks every year and return home. If you got a better idea, let's hear it.
I don't know what the alternative to TFW's would be.
What Berry said about Timmy's franchises is an entirely different matter.
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No Canadian wants to do it. They come here for three weeks every year and return home. If you got a better idea, let's hear it.
I don't know what the alternative to TFW's would be.
What Berry said about Timmy's franchises is an entirely different matter.
I think this is the best option for both employer and employee, I mean Hong Kong has done it and never have to deal with the immigrant mess like in Canada or Europe.
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No Canadian wants to do it. They come here for three weeks every year and return home. If you got a better idea, let's hear it.
I don't know what the alternative to TFW's would be.
What Berry said about Timmy's franchises is an entirely different matter.
I think this is the best option for both employer and employee, I mean Hong Kong has done it and never have to deal with the immigrant mess like in Canada or Europe.
Hong Kong has TFW's too. But, mainland migrants are filling employment gaps
The number of foreign workers in Korea is about 1.5 million and rising.
We have a mushroom industry..
But they pay like 3 cents per shroom... They can pick them by themselves.
The industry is whining that lazy finnish dogs are not interested in work..
Same with the forest berry harvesting jobs..
3 cents per liter..
Again... Lazy finnish dogs are not interested in working..
They ship in hundreds of Thai gatherers every season..
At the end of the day, you can pile the Thai in a shipping container for the night..
I just looked and it seems Taiwan has 706,000 foreign workers, mostly from Indonesia, Vietnam and the Philippines..
Many do the tedious work of the micro chip industry.
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But they pay like 3 cents per shroom... They can pick them by themselves.
The industry is whining that lazy finnish dogs are not interested in work..
Lol, the wage for the average Thai berry picker is 8x of what they make back in Thailand, they say about 40 euros a day.
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No Canadian wants to do it. They come here for three weeks every year and return home. If you got a better idea, let's hear it.
I don't know what the alternative to TFW's would be.
What Berry said about Timmy's franchises is an entirely different matter.
I think this is the best option for both employer and employee, I mean Hong Kong has done it and never have to deal with the immigrant mess like in Canada or Europe.
Hong Kong has TFW's too. But, mainland migrants are filling employment gaps
I remember my brother once told me a Filipino maid in HK makes more then a PLA soldier recruit in mainland China. But with the minimum wage increase by the CCP during the past 5-8 years, the gap should have shrunk or even up by now, but still a maids job is still a lot more comfortable than living at the boot camp.
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But they pay like 3 cents per shroom... They can pick them by themselves.
The industry is whining that lazy finnish dogs are not interested in work..
Lol, the wage for the average Thai berry picker is 8x of what they make back in Thailand, they say about 40 euros a day.
The house takes a cut..
Gasoline, housing, food comes out of that extraordinary paycheck..
At least in Finland.
Is HK turning to China to fill jobs SE Asians used to do?
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Usually Filipino and Indonesians only do the maid work, while Pakistani tend to work in the construction industry since HKers are too chicken to do the job lol, and Indians usually work in security, etc. But to answer the question the domestic workers has always been only fulfilled by South East Asian for some reason.
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But they pay like 3 cents per shroom... They can pick them by themselves.
The industry is whining that lazy finnish dogs are not interested in work..
Lol, the wage for the average Thai berry picker is 8x of what they make back in Thailand, they say about 40 euros a day.
The house takes a cut..
Gasoline, housing, food comes out of that extraordinary paycheck..
At least in Finland.
I'm sure they have a way to cut expenses, maybe 6 people can rent a dorm room for the season, in just 2 days they can pay off the monthly rent, and a day for a whole month of transportation cost and just eat the stuff they pick for the season, lol. ac_cool
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Usually Filipino and Indonesians only do the maid work, while Pakistani tend to work in the construction industry since HKers are too chicken to do the job lol, and Indians usually work in security, etc. But to answer the question the domestic workers has always been only fulfilled by South East Asian for some reason.
I thought HK was issuing most of those visas to mainland Chinese, but I was wrong.
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Usually Filipino and Indonesians only do the maid work, while Pakistani tend to work in the construction industry since HKers are too chicken to do the job lol, and Indians usually work in security, etc. But to answer the question the domestic workers has always been only fulfilled by South East Asian for some reason.
I thought HK was issuing most of those visas to mainland Chinese, but I was wrong.
Though I haven't lived in HK long enough to be sure, but I assume the number 1 reason is the insane rent cost there that discourage anyone from the mainland to work in HK, not to mention HKers are nothing but asswipes. :laugh:
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Usually Filipino and Indonesians only do the maid work, while Pakistani tend to work in the construction industry since HKers are too chicken to do the job lol, and Indians usually work in security, etc. But to answer the question the domestic workers has always been only fulfilled by South East Asian for some reason.
I thought HK was issuing most of those visas to mainland Chinese, but I was wrong.
Though I haven't lived in HK long enough to be sure, but I assume the number 1 reason is the insane rent cost there that discourage anyone from the mainland to work in HK, not to mention HKers are nothing but asswipes. :laugh:
Don't hold back, what do you really think of Hong Kongers Zetsu.
:laugh:
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Usually Filipino and Indonesians only do the maid work, while Pakistani tend to work in the construction industry since HKers are too chicken to do the job lol, and Indians usually work in security, etc. But to answer the question the domestic workers has always been only fulfilled by South East Asian for some reason.
I thought HK was issuing most of those visas to mainland Chinese, but I was wrong.
Though I haven't lived in HK long enough to be sure, but I assume the number 1 reason is the insane rent cost there that discourage anyone from the mainland to work in HK, not to mention HKers are nothing but asswipes. :laugh:
Don't hold back, what do you really think of Hong Kongers Zetsu.
:laugh:
Stingy x gold diggers, bitchy, love to stereotype based on just 1 or 2 examples, jumping to conclusions, can't tell the difference between their ass and a hole in the ground, ignorant, arrogant, bleeding cowards, extremely racist, highest population density of assholes in the world. ac_blush
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But they pay like 3 cents per shroom... They can pick them by themselves.
The industry is whining that lazy finnish dogs are not interested in work..
Lol, the wage for the average Thai berry picker is 8x of what they make back in Thailand, they say about 40 euros a day.
The house takes a cut..
Gasoline, housing, food comes out of that extraordinary paycheck..
At least in Finland.
I'm sure they have a way to cut expenses, maybe 6 people can rent a dorm room for the season, in just 2 days they can pay off the monthly rent, and a day for a whole month of transportation cost and just eat the stuff they pick for the season, lol. ac_cool
The point was that there is no real need for work based immigration...
Just a need for a slave laborforce..
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But they pay like 3 cents per shroom... They can pick them by themselves.
The industry is whining that lazy finnish dogs are not interested in work..
Lol, the wage for the average Thai berry picker is 8x of what they make back in Thailand, they say about 40 euros a day.
The house takes a cut..
Gasoline, housing, food comes out of that extraordinary paycheck..
At least in Finland.
I'm sure they have a way to cut expenses, maybe 6 people can rent a dorm room for the season, in just 2 days they can pay off the monthly rent, and a day for a whole month of transportation cost and just eat the stuff they pick for the season, lol. ac_cool
The point was that there is no real need for work based immigration...
Just a need for a slave laborforce..
Foreign workers in Canada are entitled to the same labour protections as citizens and permanent residents.
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But they pay like 3 cents per shroom... They can pick them by themselves.
The industry is whining that lazy finnish dogs are not interested in work..
Lol, the wage for the average Thai berry picker is 8x of what they make back in Thailand, they say about 40 euros a day.
The house takes a cut..
Gasoline, housing, food comes out of that extraordinary paycheck..
At least in Finland.
I'm sure they have a way to cut expenses, maybe 6 people can rent a dorm room for the season, in just 2 days they can pay off the monthly rent, and a day for a whole month of transportation cost and just eat the stuff they pick for the season, lol. ac_cool
The point was that there is no real need for work based immigration...
Just a need for a slave laborforce..
Lol it's called supply and demand nor the stone age. Being entitled and lazy will get you and others no where.
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But they pay like 3 cents per shroom... They can pick them by themselves.
The industry is whining that lazy finnish dogs are not interested in work..
Lol, the wage for the average Thai berry picker is 8x of what they make back in Thailand, they say about 40 euros a day.
The house takes a cut..
Gasoline, housing, food comes out of that extraordinary paycheck..
At least in Finland.
I'm sure they have a way to cut expenses, maybe 6 people can rent a dorm room for the season, in just 2 days they can pay off the monthly rent, and a day for a whole month of transportation cost and just eat the stuff they pick for the season, lol. ac_cool
The point was that there is no real need for work based immigration...
Just a need for a slave laborforce..
Foreign workers in Canada are entitled to the same labour protections as citizens and permanent residents.
But, they can't quit their job. Their visas are tied to their employer.
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But they pay like 3 cents per shroom... They can pick them by themselves.
The industry is whining that lazy finnish dogs are not interested in work..
Lol, the wage for the average Thai berry picker is 8x of what they make back in Thailand, they say about 40 euros a day.
The house takes a cut..
Gasoline, housing, food comes out of that extraordinary paycheck..
At least in Finland.
I'm sure they have a way to cut expenses, maybe 6 people can rent a dorm room for the season, in just 2 days they can pay off the monthly rent, and a day for a whole month of transportation cost and just eat the stuff they pick for the season, lol. ac_cool
The point was that there is no real need for work based immigration...
Just a need for a slave laborforce..
Foreign workers in Canada are entitled to the same labour protections as citizens and permanent residents.
But, they can't quit their job.
I haven't heard of this before, though I'm not too familiar can't they just apply for a new visa under another employer?
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But they pay like 3 cents per shroom... They can pick them by themselves.
The industry is whining that lazy finnish dogs are not interested in work..
Lol, the wage for the average Thai berry picker is 8x of what they make back in Thailand, they say about 40 euros a day.
The house takes a cut..
Gasoline, housing, food comes out of that extraordinary paycheck..
At least in Finland.
I'm sure they have a way to cut expenses, maybe 6 people can rent a dorm room for the season, in just 2 days they can pay off the monthly rent, and a day for a whole month of transportation cost and just eat the stuff they pick for the season, lol. ac_cool
The point was that there is no real need for work based immigration...
Just a need for a slave laborforce..
Foreign workers in Canada are entitled to the same labour protections as citizens and permanent residents.
But, they can't quit their job.
I haven't heard of this before, though I'm not too familiar can't they just apply for a new visa under another employer?
Old Velvet is right about that.
I should have added, that after one two or three year visa period, TFW's are allowed to keep their work visa and change employers.
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But they pay like 3 cents per shroom... They can pick them by themselves.
The industry is whining that lazy finnish dogs are not interested in work..
Lol, the wage for the average Thai berry picker is 8x of what they make back in Thailand, they say about 40 euros a day.
The house takes a cut..
Gasoline, housing, food comes out of that extraordinary paycheck..
At least in Finland.
I'm sure they have a way to cut expenses, maybe 6 people can rent a dorm room for the season, in just 2 days they can pay off the monthly rent, and a day for a whole month of transportation cost and just eat the stuff they pick for the season, lol. ac_cool
The point was that there is no real need for work based immigration...
Just a need for a slave laborforce..
Lol it's called supply and demand nor the stone age. Being entitled and lazy will get you and others no where.
Entitled...
Yeah I like being able to afford to pay for rent, food etc.
And I wont take any shit from the boss either... Dont expect me to smile and say "neehow" like a chinese man when you have disrespected me..
I´m gonna give you a wedgie and tie you to a flagpole.
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But they pay like 3 cents per shroom... They can pick them by themselves.
The industry is whining that lazy finnish dogs are not interested in work..
Lol, the wage for the average Thai berry picker is 8x of what they make back in Thailand, they say about 40 euros a day.
The house takes a cut..
Gasoline, housing, food comes out of that extraordinary paycheck..
At least in Finland.
I'm sure they have a way to cut expenses, maybe 6 people can rent a dorm room for the season, in just 2 days they can pay off the monthly rent, and a day for a whole month of transportation cost and just eat the stuff they pick for the season, lol. ac_cool
The point was that there is no real need for work based immigration...
Just a need for a slave laborforce..
Lol it's called supply and demand nor the stone age. Being entitled and lazy will get you and others no where.
Entitled...
Yeah I like being able to afford to pay for rent, food etc.
And I wont take any shit from the boss either... Dont expect me to smile and say "neehow" like a chinese man when you have disrespected me..
I´m gonna give you a wedgie and tie you to a flagpole.
I'd love see you try without being locked up and black listed by the government and companies, but anyone that tries to pull that stunt at me I'd not hesitate to turn their ass inside out.
The problem is when you're asking for more than what you're worth to your company, then yea you're just being entitled. If you feel so bad for yourself and others, you're more than welcome to spend half a million to start up your own business and pay others 20+ USD per hour.
Odinson, are you on the frickin dole. There aint no honour in that.
No TFW's. Hire Canadians or use technology like the Japanese do.
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The issue is no Canadians are willing to work for these low wage simplistic jobs, else they'd hired them long time ago.
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But they pay like 3 cents per shroom... They can pick them by themselves.
The industry is whining that lazy finnish dogs are not interested in work..
Lol, the wage for the average Thai berry picker is 8x of what they make back in Thailand, they say about 40 euros a day.
The house takes a cut..
Gasoline, housing, food comes out of that extraordinary paycheck..
At least in Finland.
I'm sure they have a way to cut expenses, maybe 6 people can rent a dorm room for the season, in just 2 days they can pay off the monthly rent, and a day for a whole month of transportation cost and just eat the stuff they pick for the season, lol. ac_cool
The point was that there is no real need for work based immigration...
Just a need for a slave laborforce..
Lol it's called supply and demand nor the stone age. Being entitled and lazy will get you and others no where.
Entitled...
Yeah I like being able to afford to pay for rent, food etc.
And I wont take any shit from the boss either... Dont expect me to smile and say "neehow" like a chinese man when you have disrespected me..
I´m gonna give you a wedgie and tie you to a flagpole.
I'd love see you try without being locked up and black listed by the government and companies, but anyone that tries to pull that stunt at me I'd not hesitate to turn their ass inside out.
The problem is when you're asking for more than what you're worth to your company, then yea you're just being entitled. If you feel so bad for yourself and others, you're more than welcome to spend half a million to start up your own business and pay others 20+ USD per hour.
By that logic workers would never get paid enough to get by..
Thats why we have the collective... The union holds that shit together.
If you dont like it and dont wanna pay... You can do the work yourself, you entitled.. gentleman.. ac_biggrin
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For what its worth.. I have no debt and I dont live on the dole.
Just not okay with bringing in cheap labor... It undermines worker rights.
Soon we will be back in the coal mines working for a loaf of bread per day.
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For what its worth.. I have no debt and I dont live on the dole.
Just not okay with bringing in cheap labor... It undermines worker rights.
Soon we will be back in the coal mines working for a loaf of bread per day.
exactly
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But they pay like 3 cents per shroom... They can pick them by themselves.
The industry is whining that lazy finnish dogs are not interested in work..
Lol, the wage for the average Thai berry picker is 8x of what they make back in Thailand, they say about 40 euros a day.
The house takes a cut..
Gasoline, housing, food comes out of that extraordinary paycheck..
At least in Finland.
I'm sure they have a way to cut expenses, maybe 6 people can rent a dorm room for the season, in just 2 days they can pay off the monthly rent, and a day for a whole month of transportation cost and just eat the stuff they pick for the season, lol. ac_cool
The point was that there is no real need for work based immigration...
Just a need for a slave laborforce..
Lol it's called supply and demand nor the stone age. Being entitled and lazy will get you and others no where.
Entitled...
Yeah I like being able to afford to pay for rent, food etc.
And I wont take any shit from the boss either... Dont expect me to smile and say "neehow" like a chinese man when you have disrespected me..
I´m gonna give you a wedgie and tie you to a flagpole.
I'd love see you try without being locked up and black listed by the government and companies, but anyone that tries to pull that stunt at me I'd not hesitate to turn their ass inside out.
The problem is when you're asking for more than what you're worth to your company, then yea you're just being entitled. If you feel so bad for yourself and others, you're more than welcome to spend half a million to start up your own business and pay others 20+ USD per hour.
By that logic workers would never get paid enough to get by..
Thats why we have the collective... The union holds that shit together.
If you dont like it and dont wanna pay... You can do the work yourself, you entitled.. gentleman.. ac_biggrin
Pot calling the kettle black again, not to mention lame as usual ac_boring , how am I entitled when I pay people fairly based upon the equilibrium of supply and demand meanwhile you union protestors can't find a likeable job and keep on protesting for higher wages then what employers are willing to offer? I don't over pay or under pay, and I doubt you'll be able to give me a logical and rational answer.
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The issue is no Canadians are willing to work for these low wage simplistic jobs, else they'd hired them long time ago.
That's it Zetsu..
In an advanced economy there will always be low skilled jobs that are difficult to fill locally..
I've been posting with seoulbro for so long, I'm posting like him.
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For what its worth.. I have no debt and I dont live on the dole.
Just not okay with bringing in cheap labor... It undermines worker rights.
Soon we will be back in the coal mines working for a loaf of bread per day.
You should read the article, they're only bringing in workers to fulfill tasks that no Canadians want to do b/c the sales/profit are too low to pay the workers in a luxury manner.
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The issue is no Canadians are willing to work for these low wage simplistic jobs, else they'd hired them long time ago.
That's it Zetsu..
In an advanced economy there will always be low skilled jobs that are difficult to fill locally..
I've been posting with seoulbro for so long, I'm posting like him.
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Exactly Fash, this has always been a problem when the society, business and especially tech companies advanced so much ahead and revolutionize the whole country, meanwhile poor, unskilled, uneducated, lazy and entitled workers lags behind clinging to the old simpleton jobs and wants to make a decent and comfortable living out of it, lol.
Honestly it's not rocket science Odinson, either learn some valuable useful skills not much people have, get a degree, or invest and start your own business... or else expect yourself to be fighting against the billions of 3rd world cheap labour out there for the sake of left over scrap.
In the old days they didn't use immigrant labour... they exploited their own children in slave labour and didn't pay them.
I have no time for farmers. Fuck farmers.
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Unfortunately, that will be even more true in the future as technology replaces workers and the global population grows.
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I have no time for farmers. Fuck farmers.
They inherited a farm and all machinery paid for..
That's hardly being exploited.
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I have no time for farmers. Fuck farmers.
Grain and stock raising don't need much man power. Produce farming does.
I was not exploited as a kid. I had mini bikes, an atc, and when I tuned sixteen, a truck. Why? Because I worked for it on my parent's farm. I would never trade that for city life.
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I do understand what you are saying..
What kind of work do you do?
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For what its worth.. I have no debt and I dont live on the dole.
Just not okay with bringing in cheap labor... It undermines worker rights.
Soon we will be back in the coal mines working for a loaf of bread per day.
You should read the article, they're only bringing in workers to fulfill tasks that no Canadians want to do b/c the sales/profit are too low to pay the workers in a luxury manner.
Link?
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I do understand what you are saying..
What kind of work do you do?
My family runs a garment supplier business of over a thousand employees and I run a customized apparel store and do graphics design.
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For what its worth.. I have no debt and I dont live on the dole.
Just not okay with bringing in cheap labor... It undermines worker rights.
Soon we will be back in the coal mines working for a loaf of bread per day.
You should read the article, they're only bringing in workers to fulfill tasks that no Canadians want to do b/c the sales/profit are too low to pay the workers in a luxury manner.
Link?
It's in the OP article.
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I do understand what you are saying..
What kind of work do you do?
My family runs a garment supplier business of over a thousand employees and I run a customized apparel store and do graphics design.
Is that all.
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I do understand what you are saying..
What kind of work do you do?
My family runs a garment supplier business of over a thousand employees and I run a customized apparel store and do graphics design.
Is that all.
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lol yep, since I've decided to abandon ecommerce and Herman was right the whole time, lol I should have taken his advice sooner.
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I do understand what you are saying..
What kind of work do you do?
My family runs a garment supplier business of over a thousand employees and I run a customized apparel store and do graphics design.
Is that all.
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lol yep, since I've decided to abandon ecommerce and Herman was right the whole time, lol I should have taken his advice sooner.
Ah shit, that is too bad brother. That is a tough business these days, but still.
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For what its worth.. I have no debt and I dont live on the dole.
Just not okay with bringing in cheap labor... It undermines worker rights.
Soon we will be back in the coal mines working for a loaf of bread per day.
You should read the article, they're only bringing in workers to fulfill tasks that no Canadians want to do b/c the sales/profit are too low to pay the workers in a luxury manner.
Link?
It's in the OP article.
Of course.
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Yes but what is useful.. Your skills suffer an inflation if the market is flooded with cheap people with similar skills.
Guys that work in mines, drilling for soil samples etc... They get good pay..
But if you think about it... You could hire 3rd worlders to do that with only a fraction of the pay..
The job market and salaries get destabilized because a certain part of the world is lagging behind in human rights..
Fashies job aint valuable...
We can hire a little taiwanese girl to do her job for crappy pay.
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Yes but what is useful.. Your skills suffer an inflation if the market is flooded with cheap people with similar skills.
Guys that work in mines, drilling for soil samples etc... They get good pay..
But if you think about it... You could hire 3rd worlders to do that with only a fraction of the pay..
The job market and salaries get destabilized because a certain part of the world is lagging behind in human rights..
Even in third world countries, there are people with good jobs and good lives. If you want to have a comfortable living, it aint happening if a person works at Starbucks.
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Yes but what is useful.. Your skills suffer an inflation if the market is flooded with cheap people with similar skills.
Guys that work in mines, drilling for soil samples etc... They get good pay..
But if you think about it... You could hire 3rd worlders to do that with only a fraction of the pay..
The job market and salaries get destabilized because a certain part of the world is lagging behind in human rights..
Even in third world countries, there are people with good jobs and good lives. If you want to have a comfortable living, it aint happening if a person works at Starbucks.
Of course... But they still get paid like 10 bucks per hour.. Its enough..
But what is happening is that some cheap construction worker steals jobs from local construction workers..
Now... a new apartment building has cracks on the walls because the foundation has been laid by nikkuzz..
Nikku got all kinds of papers from a Jamaican school.
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We can hire a little taiwanese girl to do her job for crappy pay.
About one third of the people in my department could be terminated without affecting public service.
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No Canadian wants to do it. They come here for three weeks every year and return home. If you got a better idea, let's hear it.
To be quite honest and I don't like saying this, but I really don't care.
I worked hard to get to the point in life where I am. I had to fight the system with blood, sweat and tears...and did anyone care? No. So why should I give two shit about them?
I'm not even done yet. I'm going above and beyond. Off topic about fuckin fruits here...but I'm fed up with the system. I've been trying to access some help for years and I just can't get it...I'm a born and raised Canadian and my child has Native roots...we get ignored...yet the Syrian immigrants who have only been gere for 1-2 years have already accessed the system and have mega help....why? I'm working on a paper with documents and research to be sent out to some clowns in the system....and I demand an answer. Im not going into detail about it, but someone is going to have to answer to this bullshit. This is total neglect and im turning it on them. If they can't respond, even in a proper time frame, then my MLA is last resort.
Yes, I'm one pissed off mama bear! Fuck the fruit pickers, they can go eat ass.
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No Canadian wants to do it. They come here for three weeks every year and return home. If you got a better idea, let's hear it.
To be quite honest and I don't like saying this, but I really don't care.
I worked hard to get to the point in life where I am. I had to fight the system with blood, sweat and tears...and did anyone care? No. So why should I give two shit about them?
I'm not even done yet. I'm going above and beyond. Off topic about fuckin fruits here...but I'm fed up with the system. I've been trying to access some help for years and I just can't get it...I'm a born and raised Canadian and my child has Native roots...we get ignored...yet the Syrian immigrants who have only been gere for 1-2 years have already accessed the system and have mega help....why? I'm working on a paper with documents and research to be sent out to some clowns in the system....and I demand an answer. Im not going into detail about it, but someone is going to have to answer to this bullshit. This is total neglect and im turning it on them. If they can't respond, even in a proper time frame, then my MLA is last resort.
Yes, I'm one pissed off mama bear! Fuck the fruit pickers, they can go eat ass.
:ohmy:
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We can hire a little taiwanese girl to do her job for crappy pay.
About one third of the people in my department could be terminated without affecting public service.
I believe it. There are a lot of areas that don't need all those people. I would believe that half of them aren't even qualified for their jobs. Even those with degree are dumb as fuck and still dont know what they're doing. There's a huge line between education and actual intelligence....the latter is hard to find. Idiots need to stop being protected by unions. So much shame.
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We can hire a little taiwanese girl to do her job for crappy pay.
About one third of the people in my department could be terminated without affecting public service.
I believe it. There are a lot of areas that don't need all those people. I would believe that half of them aren't even qualified for their jobs. Even those with degree are dumb as fuck and still dont know what they're doing. There's a huge line between education and actual intelligence....the latter is hard to find. Idiots need to stop being protected by unions. So much shame.
The Alberta government hires and promotes people not based on whether they have the skills needed for the jobs they are seeking, but solely on diplomas.
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Yes but what is useful.. Your skills suffer an inflation if the market is flooded with cheap people with similar skills.
Guys that work in mines, drilling for soil samples etc... They get good pay..
But if you think about it... You could hire 3rd worlders to do that with only a fraction of the pay..
The job market and salaries get destabilized because a certain part of the world is lagging behind in human rights..
There's no such thing as cheap people, it's all about the equilibrium of supply and demand, based on where they live and do they have citizenship or not.
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Yes but what is useful.. Your skills suffer an inflation if the market is flooded with cheap people with similar skills.
Guys that work in mines, drilling for soil samples etc... They get good pay..
But if you think about it... You could hire 3rd worlders to do that with only a fraction of the pay..
The job market and salaries get destabilized because a certain part of the world is lagging behind in human rights..
There's no such thing as cheap people, it's all about the equilibrium of supply and demand, based on where they live and do they have citizenship or not.
Developing countries usually have a lot of young unskilled people.
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Yes but what is useful.. Your skills suffer an inflation if the market is flooded with cheap people with similar skills.
Guys that work in mines, drilling for soil samples etc... They get good pay..
But if you think about it... You could hire 3rd worlders to do that with only a fraction of the pay..
The job market and salaries get destabilized because a certain part of the world is lagging behind in human rights..
There's no such thing as cheap people, it's all about the equilibrium of supply and demand, based on where they live and do they have citizenship or not.
Developing countries usually have a lot of young unskilled people.
Yep, not enough investors and too many unskilled, uneducated people that lacks discipline and moral.
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We can hire a little taiwanese girl to do her job for crappy pay.
About one third of the people in my department could be terminated without affecting public service.
Its the same with all public sector jobs.. everywhere.
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No Canadian wants to do it. They come here for three weeks every year and return home. If you got a better idea, let's hear it.
To be quite honest and I don't like saying this, but I really don't care.
I worked hard to get to the point in life where I am. I had to fight the system with blood, sweat and tears...and did anyone care? No. So why should I give two shit about them?
I'm not even done yet. I'm going above and beyond. Off topic about fuckin fruits here...but I'm fed up with the system. I've been trying to access some help for years and I just can't get it...I'm a born and raised Canadian and my child has Native roots...we get ignored...yet the Syrian immigrants who have only been gere for 1-2 years have already accessed the system and have mega help....why? I'm working on a paper with documents and research to be sent out to some clowns in the system....and I demand an answer. Im not going into detail about it, but someone is going to have to answer to this bullshit. This is total neglect and im turning it on them. If they can't respond, even in a proper time frame, then my MLA is last resort.
Yes, I'm one pissed off mama bear! Fuck the fruit pickers, they can go eat ass.
Honestly Berry what is it you trying to seek from the government? I remember you once told us you received welfare, scholarship, access to food bank and living in a government subsidize home, don't you think it's already good enough?
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Yes but what is useful.. Your skills suffer an inflation if the market is flooded with cheap people with similar skills.
Guys that work in mines, drilling for soil samples etc... They get good pay..
But if you think about it... You could hire 3rd worlders to do that with only a fraction of the pay..
The job market and salaries get destabilized because a certain part of the world is lagging behind in human rights..
There's no such thing as cheap people, it's all about the equilibrium of supply and demand, based on where they live and do they have citizenship or not.
Developing countries usually have a lot of young unskilled people.
Yep, not enough investors and too many unskilled, uneducated people that lacks discipline and moral.
A natural progression once a country becomes middle income is lower fertility rates.
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Yes but what is useful.. Your skills suffer an inflation if the market is flooded with cheap people with similar skills.
Guys that work in mines, drilling for soil samples etc... They get good pay..
But if you think about it... You could hire 3rd worlders to do that with only a fraction of the pay..
The job market and salaries get destabilized because a certain part of the world is lagging behind in human rights..
There's no such thing as cheap people, it's all about the equilibrium of supply and demand, based on where they live and do they have citizenship or not.
Developing countries usually have a lot of young unskilled people.
Yep, not enough investors and too many unskilled, uneducated people that lacks discipline and moral.
A natural progression once a country becomes middle income is lower fertility rates.
No where is that more true than the Asian tiger nations.