Title: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2020, 04:26:20 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2020, 04:26:20 AM
I do not accept these Iranians to be "Canadian" while holding dual status. That's my personal take on that.
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2020, 07:50:53 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2020, 07:50:53 AM
Contrary to what the media has portrayed, not one of those "Canadians" were actually Canadian, since while they did hold a Canadian passport, they were also all still citizens of Iran too. They were all dual citizens of Iranian descent.Quote from: "Mel"
I do not accept these Iranians to be "Canadian" while holding dual status. That's my personal take on that.
Canada permits dual citizenship so legally these individuals were Canadian citizens.
If we apply your argument to Canadians holding American citizenship, then they are not Canadians either.
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2020, 08:47:16 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2020, 08:47:16 AM
Contrary to what the media has portrayed, not one of those "Canadians" were actually Canadian, since while they did hold a Canadian passport, they were also all still citizens of Iran too. They were all dual citizens of Iranian descent.Quote from: "Mel"
I do not accept these Iranians to be "Canadian" while holding dual status. That's my personal take on that.
Canada permits dual citizenship so legally these individuals were Canadian citizens.
If we apply your argument to Canadians holding American citizenship, then they are not Canadians either.
Iran does not technically recognize dual citizenship..
However, it is possible for someone to hold Iranian citizenship and another second citizenship.
For Iranian dual citizens, Iran simply recognizes the individual as an Iranian citizen.
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 03:43:03 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 03:43:03 AM
Iran does not technically recognize dual citizenship..Quote from: "Fashionista"
So in other words they admit to shooting down a bunch of their own citizens in retaliation for the US canceling Salami's breathing license, good good.
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 03:49:06 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 03:49:06 AM
Iran does not technically recognize dual citizenship..Quote from: "Fashionista"
So in other words they admit to shooting down a bunch of their own citizens in retaliation for the US canceling Salami's breathing license, good good.
They shot it down unintentionally. Then they probably shot down the officer in charge of the fuck up and his entire family.
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 04:09:49 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 04:09:49 AM
They shot it down unintentionally. Then they probably shot down the officer in charge of the fuck up and his entire family.
More than likely...
He would've been asked to "step inside my office" where he would've been told this: "You shot down down the wrong target, since they were our own people. Now you must be executed. Any final words?"
And that's just how things works there!
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Odinson on January 11, 2020, 04:21:26 AM
Post by: Odinson on January 11, 2020, 04:21:26 AM
It tells you that it is the wrong aircraft..
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Odinson on January 11, 2020, 04:35:36 AM
Post by: Odinson on January 11, 2020, 04:35:36 AM
But who knows the condition of these platforms in iranian hands..
Might not be working properly..
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 04:54:41 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 04:54:41 AM
They shot it down unintentionally. Then they probably shot down the officer in charge of the fuck up and his entire family.
Yeah, I know, I was being willfully facetious.
The truth is far more mundane. That whole fireworks display was purely for the Iranians' benefit, a spectacular array of firepower specifically designed to impress Iran's people that the Ayatolla could rock n rollah and the US would hunker down and not say "boo". They even made sure it would happen that way by telling the Iraqis which airfields were being targeted first so all military personnel might be evacuated ahead of the impending airstrikes.
That's why Trump didn't go off his nut on Twitter, it's also the reason for all the long faces at CNN and NBC. "What? No US casualties? Fuck, there goes another chance for our war correspondents to sit in front of a green screen for the next two decades, looking all hard and haggard while those patriotic advertising bux stream in, punctuated by frequent calls of 'Orangeman did this' and 'Orangeman BAD'."
Iran needed this as a face saving exercise. The only casualties in this shit-show were civilians. Oh, and some cretin who, despite his anti-ISIS leanings, was nonetheless just as butcherous to our allies and universally despised in the neighbouring regions for it. Which, if you know your middle-east history, is a pretty common enough scenario down through the ages.
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 06:53:54 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 06:53:54 AM
They shot it down unintentionally. Then they probably shot down the officer in charge of the fuck up and his entire family.
Yeah, I know, I was being willfully facetious.
The truth is far more mundane. That whole fireworks display was purely for the Iranians' benefit, a spectacular array of firepower specifically designed to impress Iran's people that the Ayatolla could rock n rollah and the US would hunker down and not say "boo". They even made sure it would happen that way by telling the Iraqis which airfields were being targeted first so all military personnel might be evacuated ahead of the impending airstrikes.
That's why Trump didn't go off his nut on Twitter, it's also the reason for all the long faces at CNN and NBC. "What? No US casualties? Fuck, there goes another chance for our war correspondents to sit in front of a green screen for the next two decades, looking all hard and haggard while those patriotic advertising bux stream in, punctuated by frequent calls of 'Orangeman did this' and 'Orangeman BAD'."
Iran needed this as a face saving exercise. The only casualties in this shit-show were civilians. Oh, and some cretin who, despite his anti-ISIS leanings, was nonetheless just as butcherous to our allies and universally despised in the neighbouring regions for it. Which, if you know your middle-east history, is a pretty common enough scenario down through the ages.
Get the fuck out of the Mid-East
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 07:03:01 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 07:03:01 AM
Get the fuck out of the Mid-EastQuote from: "No Shit Sherlock"
Ontario? But I like it here!
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2020, 08:16:46 AM
Post by: caskur on January 11, 2020, 08:16:46 AM
Contrary to what the media has portrayed, not one of those "Canadians" were actually Canadian, since while they did hold a Canadian passport, they were also all still citizens of Iran too. They were all dual citizens of Iranian descent.Quote from: "Mel"
I do not accept these Iranians to be "Canadian" while holding dual status. That's my personal take on that.
I agree with this.
I believe that wherever you are born and raised is what you truly are.
I have Italians friends two generation in Australia and they consider themselves 'Italian' even though it was their grandparents that actually immigrated.
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Odinson on January 11, 2020, 12:11:46 PM
Post by: Odinson on January 11, 2020, 12:11:46 PM
And people believe that they really are that stupid..
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 03:28:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 03:28:44 PM
Here are some key answers to questions about the missile system that may have brought down the Ukrainian passenger plane near Tehran Jan. 8:
what is the sa-15?
It is a Russian-made air defence system that allows its operators to shoot down aircraft at relatively close range. It is also known as the Tor air defence.
The SA-15 can shoot down aircraft, precision weapons and guided munitions. It can intercept targets as high as 33,000 feet.
It is designed to defend against objects flying at medium to very low altitudes and can track up to 48 targets at once, the documents show, with an ability to fire two missiles nearly simultaneously.
Will Mackenzie, a research associate in the defence program at the Center for New American Security, said the SA-15 "is an older platform" that is "primarily made for short-range air defence, and it's a mobile system so it can be moved around."
Missiles fired from the SA-15 are designed to pepper targets with shrapnel when it explodes, which sends tumbling shards of metal into the fuselages of aircraft and drones.
How did iran get it?
Russian officials announced in 2007 that they had delivered the Tor M-1 system, also known as the SA-15, to Tehran. The Guardian reported that year that Iran had obtained 29 of the systems under the terms of a $700-million contract.
Duitsman said U.S. officials were likely concerned when Iran obtained the SA-15 because "it was a very large improvement over some of the other systems Iran had at the time."
fired By Mistake?
Observers have noted that Iranian forces may have been on high alert.
"They'd be pretty jumpy. said former Pentagon official Michael Spirtas.
The SA-15 does not track threats and fire autonomously. The operator must identify the target on a screen and then fire the missile.
Duitsman said that if Iran did launch a missile that struck the plane, he believes it would be a "complete accident."
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 07:27:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 07:27:26 PM
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 08:53:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 08:53:42 PM
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Odinson on January 11, 2020, 09:26:46 PM
Post by: Odinson on January 11, 2020, 09:26:46 PM
Of course it was an accident.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Wouldnt have happened with a crew that knows its business..
Had to be conscripts who dont know how to use the thing properly.
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 11:07:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2020, 11:07:35 PM
Of course it was an accident.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Wouldnt have happened with a crew that knows its business..
Had to be conscripts who dont know how to use the thing properly.
There is a high probability of that.
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Gaon on January 12, 2020, 12:10:18 AM
Post by: Gaon on January 12, 2020, 12:10:18 AM
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They bought it from Russia. The money did not come from Canadian aid.
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2020, 04:03:30 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2020, 04:03:30 AM
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2020, 11:44:57 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2020, 11:44:57 AM
You're probably right. Trudeau wasn't calling the shots in 2007 when the system was bought, therefore the 2.5mil he did ultimately send could just as easily be spent on "other things".Quote from: "Guest"
Never trust memes.
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2020, 09:14:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2020, 09:14:31 PM
You're probably right. Trudeau wasn't calling the shots in 2007 when the system was bought, therefore the 2.5mil he did ultimately send could just as easily be spent on "other things".Quote from: "Guest"
Never trust memes.
I trust memes have the ability to wind the left up into frothing fits of unreasoning rage. Other than that...
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2020, 09:16:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2020, 09:16:26 PM
You're probably right. Trudeau wasn't calling the shots in 2007 when the system was bought, therefore the 2.5mil he did ultimately send could just as easily be spent on "other things".Quote from: "Guest"
Never trust memes.
I trust memes have the ability to wind the left up into frothing fits of unreasoning rage. Other than that...
They're meant to entertain, not educate.
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2020, 09:18:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2020, 09:18:57 PM
You're probably right. Trudeau wasn't calling the shots in 2007 when the system was bought, therefore the 2.5mil he did ultimately send could just as easily be spent on "other things".Quote from: "Guest"
Never trust memes.
I trust memes have the ability to wind the left up into frothing fits of unreasoning rage. Other than that...
They're meant to entertain, not educate.
I know. And some even succeed at it.
Title: Re: "Canadians" on board Ukraine flight 752...
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2020, 09:37:55 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2020, 09:37:55 PM
You're probably right. Trudeau wasn't calling the shots in 2007 when the system was bought, therefore the 2.5mil he did ultimately send could just as easily be spent on "other things".Quote from: "Guest"
Never trust memes.
I trust memes have the ability to wind the left up into frothing fits of unreasoning rage. Other than that...
They're meant to entertain, not educate.
I know. And some even succeed at it.
Some of them do that.