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QuoteCN Rail, at the urging of Chinese-owned Nexen Inc., is considering shipping Alberta bitumen to Prince Rupert, B.C., by rail in quantities matching the controversial Northern Gateway pipeline, documents show.



Internal memos obtained by Greenpeace under the Access to Information Act show the rail carrier raised the proposal last March with Natural Resources Canada.



"Nexen Inc. is reportedly working with CN to examine the transportation of crude oil on CN's railway to Prince Rupert, B.C., to be loaded onto tankers for export to Asia," states a departmental briefing note setting up the March 1 meeting.



An attached CN presentation paper notes that "CN has ample capacity to run seven trains per day to match Gateway's proposed capacity."



Greenpeace provided the documents to The Canadian Press.



The proposed Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline, which would carry crude oil to Kitimat, B.C., has met fierce opposition from First Nations and environmentalists.



Greenpeace researcher Keith Stewart said the CN rail pitch has the appearance of a "Plan B" in case Northern Gateway is blocked, but that it raises "the same or greater risks."



The horrific Lac-Megantic, Que., disaster in July, which claimed 47 lives when a train carrying crude oil derailed and exploded, has focused intense scrutiny on the burgeoning oil-by-rail industry.



Some 5.5 million litres of oil either burned or leaked into the environment in Lac-Megantic. The fire burned for four days.



A spokesman for CN Rail told The Canadian Press in an email that "no specific crude-by-rail project to Prince Rupert (was) discussed" at the March meeting with Natural Resources Canada.



The company "does not disclose publicly its commercial discussions with customers," Mark Hallman said in the email.



"CN will continue to explore new opportunities to move crude oil safely and efficiently to markets," Hallman wrote.



"The company will consider concrete crude-by-rail proposals, including any specific project to move crude to Prince Rupert. However, there is no infrastructure in place at Prince Rupert to transfer crude oil from train tank cars to vessels."



Hallman also noted it was the government that asked CN for the meeting, not the other way around.



Indeed, the documents obtained by Greenpeace show Ottawa was intensely interested in oil by rail, at least prior to the Quebec accident.



"NRCan is currently meeting with Transport Canada to mutually understand how rail could be part of a solution to current market access challenges," says an undated memorandum for Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver.



The memo describes rail as "an increasingly viable option" and states that carriers Canadian Pacific and CN "have indicated that the potential to increase rail movements of crude oil is theoretically unlimited."



Rail officials had indicated that a project to bring crude to port for tanker export "is likely in future."



A separate memo for International Trade Minister Ed Fast and Dennis Lebel, then the transport minister, assets that Transport Canada "has identified no major safety concerns with the increased oil on rail capacity in Canada, nor with the safety of tank cars ..."



The memo states that "transportation of oil by rail does not trigger the need for a federal environmental assessment" but notes that "proposals to construct new infrastructure to support the activity" may require an assessment under the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act.



The "Departmental Position" on oil by rail is entirely blacked out from the memo.



Greenpeace's Stewart said the Lac-Megantic tragedy revealed that federal safety regulations hadn't kept pace with the oil-by-rail boom.



"If the government or industry imagines they can use these regulatory loopholes to do an end-run around opposition to tar sands moving through those lands or waters, they will be in for a rude awakening," said Stewart.



Opposition in Canada to the Northern Gateway and in the United States to TransCanada's Keystone XL pipeline has keyed on stopping or slowing development of Alberta's oilsands development.



The undated memo to Oliver, the natural resources minister, suggests that's wishful thinking.



"Despite difficulties related to new pipeline capacity, Canadian crude producers are unlikely to slow down production and will turn to rail to ensure their product reaches market," said the memo.



"To date, there hasn't been a project to bring crude by rail to port for tanker export, however rail officials indicate that such a project is likely in future."

http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-98987-4-.htm

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No1 reads your novels...

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Quote from: "Odinson"Always about oil...



No1 reads your novels...

Yes, Canada has heaps of oil and I am very interested in the economy. You on the other hand post repetitive puerile shit that no adult wants to read.

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Quote from: "Odinson"Always about oil...



No1 reads your novels...

Yes, Canada has heaps of oil and I am very interested in the economy. You on the other hand post repetitive puerile shit that no adult wants to read.

Yea I´am interested in economy.



I´m only repetive because 110000 is too much for the pop. of 5,4 million finnish to handle.



It´s like keeping up an army with 3times the pay + the education and housing 24/7/365.



We are in debt yet our politicians are promising more money to hairy dwarves of greece and somalians.



We have no money and the fool Obama praises us like we are some kind of saints.

Over half of my salary goes to the government.



I have not said anything that you had already said.

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Yes, Canada has heaps of oil and I am very interested in the economy. You on the other hand post repetitive puerile shit that no adult wants to read.

Yea I´am interested in economy.



I´m only repetive because 110000 is too much for the pop. of 5,4 million finnish to handle.



It´s like keeping up an army with 3times the pay + the education and housing 24/7/365.



We are in debt yet our politicians are promising more money to hairy dwarves of greece and somalians.



We have no money and the fool Obama praises us like we are some kind of saints.

Over half of my salary goes to the government.



I have not said anything that you had already said.

Foreign aid is not what I meant.

Quote from: "seoulbro"Trains and trucks haul products a lot more dangerous than oil or liquefied gas right through the heart of big cities.

Quote from: "Odinson"There´s a thing called the white mans burden which means the white man gets the blame for everything.



You are blaming the white man for everything... Why don´t you get off your fat ass and do something for a change...



Try using your head for something else than for sucking cocks you piece of shit human waste.

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Quote from: "Odinson"There´s a thing called the white mans burden which means the white man gets the blame for everything.



You are blaming the white man for everything... Why don´t you get off your fat ass and do something for a change...



Try using your head for something else than for sucking cocks you piece of shit human waste.

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Quote from: "Odinson"There´s a thing called the white mans burden which means the white man gets the blame for everything.



You are blaming the white man for everything... Why don´t you get off your fat ass and do something for a change...



Try using your head for something else than for sucking cocks you piece of shit human waste.

You pathetic immature, low class, no manners little punk. Fuck off, get cancer and die a slow excruciating death. In the mean time take your trolling over to the white homo forum where you belong.  :evil:



Obvious Li, I may change my mind about this fucking douch. Nobody likes him and he fucks up every decent discussion with his spam. I will talk to Fash about this because I will not stick around if this social misfit is allowed to wreck every single serious thread.

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Quote from: "Odinson"There´s a thing called the white mans burden which means the white man gets the blame for everything.



You are blaming the white man for everything... Why don´t you get off your fat ass and do something for a change...



Try using your head for something else than for sucking cocks you piece of shit human waste.

You pathetic immature, low class, no manners little punk. Fuck off, get cancer and die a slow excruciating death. In the mean time take your trolling over to the white homo forum where you belong.  :evil:



Obvious Li, I may change my mind about this fucking douch. Nobody likes him and he fucks up every decent discussion with his spam. I will talk to Fash about this because I will not stick around if this social misfit is allowed to wreck every single serious thread.[/quote]





agreed..this dolt has become our Gambino...fucking up every thread...contributes nothing and openly states he hates this forum.....so say the word and i will whack the fucktard

Quote from: "Fashionista"Odinson, please stop hijacking all discussions with personal grudges..



I can set up a separate subforum or thread just for you where you can release all your pent up anger at the members of Asian Canadian Corner.

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Quote from: "Fashionista"Odinson, please stop hijacking all discussions with personal grudges..



I can set up a separate subforum or thread just for you where you can release all your pent up anger at the members of Asian Canadian Corner.

Wanting to wipe out your husband and his entire race is ok?

QuoteNo one can say they didn't see this coming.



With oil pipeline construction facing resistance from the green lobby, firms involved in the extraction and delivery of crude are seeking any way to get their goods to market.



It's pure economics: Alberta energy producers want to sell their products at the best possible price and make the highest possible return -- and they aren't able to.



In the last few months, the Alberta crude remains discounted compared to West Texas Intermediate by about $25 to $30 per barrel. By all accounts, this is mainly because Alberta oil has a harder time getting to market.



Taxpayers are feeling it, too: Lower prices means lower royalties for the province.



So with pipelines proposals everywhere tied up, you can understand why companies are eager to use whatever means are at their disposal to move their product.



An environmental group recently released documents that appear to show trains between northern Alberta and the port in Prince Rupert, B.C., as a backup for moving oilsands crude in case the Northern Gateway pipeline isn't built soon.



This would add to the growing number of trains linking the oilsands and the Great Plains to ports around the continent.



Although moving crude by train is more expensive than pipelines, recent reports indicate companies are slowly closing the gap.



For example, one cost-saving innovation in the works would allow companies to move crude in train tankers without having to dilute the oil first, as is generally the case now for rail and pipeline transportation.



Such advancements could make oil trains more popular. In some instances, however, they are losing their appeal.



Not surprising, given the deadly derailment and explosion in Lac Megantic, Que., which killed 47 people.



The Manitoba government, for example, is raising red flags about a plan to ship Alberta oils to Churchill, a port on Hudson Bay.



Despite assurances from the potential operator, Omnitrax, that it would follow regulations to the letter, there are concerns about what an oil train derailment would do to the environment, to First Nations communities and to the eco-tourism industry.



There are also worries about the company's safety record, as there've been more than 50 derailments on the Hudson Bay line in the last 10 years.



Meanwhile, Irving Oil in New Brunswick, which saw its main supply line cut after the Lac Megantic disaster, decided to move Bakken crude by oil tanker ship down the Hudson River from Albany to New York and up the Atlantic coast to Saint John.



Media reports indicate the lone ship making this trip will soon be joined by a second tanker, allowing for shipments of Bakken oil to arrive at Irving's refinery every four days.



Clearly, oil will get to where it needs to be.



Exxon Valdez didn't sink ocean tanker traffic; Deepwater Horizon didn't end offshore drilling; Kalamazoo didn't doom pipelines; Lac Megantic won't stop oil trains.

This is not to dismiss legitimate, local environmental concerns. Those need to be addressed. After all, there are no upsides for anyone when tankers run aground, pipelines leak or oil trains derail.



This is where green groups could shine: Acknowledge our need for oil, help people reduce consumption of crude-based products and aid in efforts to make petroleum transport safer.



Instead, what we have is obnoxious obstruction from hard-core environmentalists, making for self-serving photo ops and rousing political punditry but providing no real help to anyone. Truly, a disaster in the making.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/09/24/oil-will-always-find-a-way

QuoteOTTAWA - If Canadian oil can't get into a pipeline, it will find its way onto a train, says the country's natural resources minister.



"As the production increases we've got to build more pipelines to cope with the new capacity," Joe Oliver said. "To the extent that pipeline projects are delayed, shippers look at alternative ways of getting their product to market."



His comments follow reports that Chinese-owned Nexen is looking to team up with CN to ship crude from the Alberta oilsands to Prince Rupert, B.C.



The plans came to light after Greenpeace released Natural Resources Canada memos Monday, including a possible rail-based alternative to the Northern Gateway proposal to connect Alberta's oilsands with Kitimat, B.C.



There may be more fear than substance to the anti-oilsands activists' warnings, however, with Northern Gateway aiming to ship 550,000 barrels per day.



"That would require operating 10 trains of 100 cars a day roughly," Oliver said. "That's one train coming and going very hour. It obviously would need offloading facilities and so on."



Still, transporting oil by rail is increasing in Canada.



Oliver's officials said in the first four months of 2013, around 272,000 barrels per day of oil travelled by rail in Canada - up 77% from the same period in 2012.



Other demand for oil on the West Coast could come from media mogul David Black who wants to build a refinery in Kitimat, B.C.



Conservative MP Brian Jean, whose riding is home to oilsands activity, said oil trains are going to increase.



"I want to see oil carried by pipelines, but until we have the capacity to carry the oil by pipeline it's bluntly going to go on rail," Jean said.



NDP natural resources critic Peter Julian said that makes him nervous, especially when he thinks of the deadly summer explosion of oil-transporting rail cars in Lac Megantic, Que.



"(The) public's confidence in the Conservative government's ability to properly manage safety systems has been really tested," he said.



Julian accuses the Tories of trying to "skimp or cut back on safety protections," but Oliver disagrees.



"We've invested over $100 million for rail safety, we've increased fines for companies that break regulations and we've required rail companies to submit environmental management plans," he said.



A June study by the Manhattan Institute found that pipeline transport of oil is safer than rail.



The study found oil pipelines had only 0.58 serious incidents per billion ton-miles in the U.S., compared to 2.08 incidents for oil-carrying trains.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/politics/archives/2013/09/20130923-183716.html

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Quote from: "Fashionista"Odinson, please stop hijacking all discussions with personal grudges..



I can set up a separate subforum or thread just for you where you can release all your pent up anger at the members of Asian Canadian Corner.

Wanting to wipe out your husband and his entire race is ok?

Fuck you're nuttier than your Asian counterpart Hornung.