Title: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: cc on April 09, 2020, 10:56:24 PM
Post by: cc on April 09, 2020, 10:56:24 PM
"Today, more than ever, the life of the nation and its people runs on our telecommunications networks," said John C. Demers, assistant attorney general for national security.
"The security of our government and professional communications, as well as of our most private data, depends on our use of trusted partners from nations that share our values and our aspirations for humanity," Demers said in a statement.
The Justice Department reviewed China Telecom's authorizations and determined the company had failed to comply with the terms of an existing agreement with the department. China Telecom is a subsidiary of the People's Republic of China state-owned telecommunications company.
In its recommendation, the executive branch agencies cited "increased knowledge of the PRC's role in malicious cyber activity targeting the United States" and "concerns that China Telecom is vulnerable to exploitation, influence, and control by the PRC government."
The FCC last May voted unanimously to deny another Chinese state-owned telecommunications company, China Mobile Ltd., the right to provide service in the U.S., saying the Chinese government could use the company to conduct espionage on the U.S. government. It said then it was "looking" at China Telecom's license.
Oh, Sigh ....
China Telecom denied the allegations. "The company has always been extremely cooperative and transparent with regulators," spokesman Ge Yu told Fox News. "In many instances, we have gone beyond what has been requested to demonstrate how our business operates and serves our customers following the highest international standards. We look forward to sharing additional details to support our position and addressing any concerns."
In 2019 the Trump administration sanctioned Chinese telecom giant Huawei. The administration in February said it had proof Huawei had been spying on its customers for years.
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on April 10, 2020, 07:41:58 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 10, 2020, 07:41:58 AM
Not about this, but about China's unscrupulous methods, companies that relocated production from their home countries to China were forced to surrender their technology..
China acquired all of Taiwan's advanced technology through bullying, same with Japan and the USA.
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on April 10, 2020, 08:14:53 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 10, 2020, 08:14:53 AM
The West must repatriate our production lines, especially in critical medical and pharma supply industries. Now, the left will say it's a giveaway to big corporations making billions. But, let's never lose sight of the dangerous position being dependent on China for vital supplies has put us in. Not, to mention all the jobs that were lost.
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on April 10, 2020, 11:44:04 AM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on April 10, 2020, 11:44:04 AM
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: cc on April 10, 2020, 12:42:27 PM
Post by: cc on April 10, 2020, 12:42:27 PM
Well, actually I didn't. I have always gone to great lengths to identify and stay away from China goods .. on principle
It was easier for me as I have always bought only things I really need
Have always seen free trade as eventual suicide .. which is what it proved to be.
Once soul is sold, there's not much left .. whether country or individual.
I dunno what's going to happen from here on .. my country's leadership has always been China-soft ... 1/2 of US is, EU is so maybe little will change .. and the world will continue to make China more and more dominant
It will change in major communication software .. clearly China misuses it to its advantage
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on April 10, 2020, 05:44:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 10, 2020, 05:44:51 PM
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Vancouver on April 10, 2020, 06:41:31 PM
Post by: Vancouver on April 10, 2020, 06:41:31 PM
There are way too many North American businesses that manufacture products in China. The labour cost in China is cheap. Make big money and have little ants work for you.Can we actually see manufacturing leaving China and returning to the USA for good? We have enjoyed how "cheap" products are when they are made in China. What's going to happen? We will be paying more for the same products when they are made in the USA? Can we afford that?Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on April 10, 2020, 06:56:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 10, 2020, 06:56:44 PM
Can we actually see manufacturing leaving China and returning to the USA for good? We have enjoyed how "cheap" products are when they are made in China. What's going to happen? We will be paying more for the same products when they are made in the USA? Can we afford that?Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
Labour is not that cheap anymore. Ditch China. Bring supply chains home.
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Vancouver on April 10, 2020, 07:04:46 PM
Post by: Vancouver on April 10, 2020, 07:04:46 PM
but over here nobody wants to work for minimum wage at some factory. They will have to ship thousands of Chinese, Filippinos, and Mexicans over. Essential travel.
Labour is not that cheap anymore. Ditch China. Bring supply chains home.
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on April 10, 2020, 09:12:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 10, 2020, 09:12:28 PM
Labour is not that cheap anymore. Ditch China. Bring supply chains home.
Have you ever heard of productivity. I remember reading a thread on VF a few years ago where Richard Kuklinski could not figure out why Costco is able to pay higher wages than Walmart. It's quite simple actually. Costco employees are about fifty per cent more productive than their Walmart counterparts.
This applies to manufacturing too. Chinese manufacturing employees are not as productive as their North American counterparts and not nearly as productive as Japanese and German manufacturing employees. So, if we repatriate production lines, the difference in productivity would offset the wage differential. Do you get what I am laying down VG?
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Vancouver on April 10, 2020, 11:44:56 PM
Post by: Vancouver on April 10, 2020, 11:44:56 PM
This applies to manufacturing too. Chinese manufacturing employees are not as productive as their North American counterparts and not nearly as productive as Japanese and German manufacturing employees. So, if we repatriate production lines, the difference in productivity would offset the wage differential. Do you get what I am laying down VG?Quote from: "seoulbro"
I don't know how true that is. The Chinese working in factories have no choice but to work like sheeps. Over here people would bitch for working overtime. Over there a 15 hour shift is norm.
Are Chinese workers really not as productive? Workers are like robots on a soldier line. Would North American companies really want to move manufacturing here and pay people 6 times more per hour? Health benefits and paid sick days.
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2020, 08:01:01 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2020, 08:01:01 AM
I don't know how true that is. The Chinese working in factories have no choice but to work like sheeps. Over here people would bitch for working overtime. Over there a 15 hour shift is norm.
Are Chinese workers really not as productive? Workers are like robots on a soldier line. Would North American companies really want to move manufacturing here and pay people 6 times more per hour? Health benefits and paid sick days.
It's absolutely true. No offense TVG, but you don't understand what productivity is. Productivity is the rate of output per unit of input. Hundreds of employees working long hours performing a single repetitive task is not productivity. Fewer workers performing more tasks and achieving the same or higher levels of output is productivity.
Four years ago, China's labour costs were only 4% cheaper than those in the U.S. when productivity is factored in, according to Oxford Economics. Today, with rising wages in China, and increased productivity is factored wages are equal, if not slightly higher wages in China.
That's because wages in China have risen much faster than increases in productivity. Coupled with a strengthening yuan, Chinese labor costs have grown dramatically. Meanwhile, huge productivity improvements in the U.S. have helped keep labor costs down.
Interestingly, countries with lower number of hours worked have higher productivity. China is not on here, but if it was, it would be below the bottom countries. Chinese manufacturing is a low productivity per worker model.
A rising currency, too many employees performing too few tasks, better productivity in the West, and rapidly rising wages means production in China is not a money saver that it used to be.
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on April 11, 2020, 12:36:59 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on April 11, 2020, 12:36:59 PM
Can we actually see manufacturing leaving China and returning to the USA for good? We have enjoyed how "cheap" products are when they are made in China. What's going to happen? We will be paying more for the same products when they are made in the USA? Can we afford that?Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
Labour is not that cheap anymore. Ditch China. Bring supply chains home.
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2020, 01:44:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2020, 01:44:36 PM
I don't know how true that is. The Chinese working in factories have no choice but to work like sheeps. Over here people would bitch for working overtime. Over there a 15 hour shift is norm.
Are Chinese workers really not as productive? Workers are like robots on a soldier line. Would North American companies really want to move manufacturing here and pay people 6 times more per hour? Health benefits and paid sick days.
It's absolutely true. No offense TVG, but you don't understand what productivity is. Productivity is the rate of output per unit of input. Hundreds of employees working long hours performing a single repetitive task is not productivity. Fewer workers performing more tasks and achieving the same or higher levels of output is productivity.
Four years ago, China's labour costs were only 4% cheaper than those in the U.S. when productivity is factored in, according to Oxford Economics. Today, with rising wages in China, and increased productivity is factored wages are equal, if not slightly higher wages in China.
That's because wages in China have risen much faster than increases in productivity. Coupled with a strengthening yuan, Chinese labor costs have grown dramatically. Meanwhile, huge productivity improvements in the U.S. have helped keep labor costs down.https://money.cnn.com/2016/03/17/news/economy/china-cheap-labor-productivity/index.html
Interestingly, countries with lower number of hours worked have higher productivity. China is not on here, but if it was, it would be below the bottom countries. Chinese manufacturing is a low productivity per worker model.(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://www.brinknews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/YKLb_DkhAhbpnL2n9doJFLNq8TSnLRf6U0gjX8tBAt4.png%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://www.brinknews.com/wp-content/up%20...%208tBAt4.png%22%3Ehttps://www.brinknews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/YKLb_DkhAhbpnL2n9doJFLNq8TSnLRf6U0gjX8tBAt4.png%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2019/02/05/where-labor-productivity-is-highest-infographic/#2ab6b8f8ea44
A rising currency, too many employees performing too few tasks, better productivity in the West, and rapidly rising wages means production in China is not a money saver that it used to be.
Damn, that was a hell of a cunting. I don't think you meant to give old Vancouver Guy a cunting, but that is what you did. Arguing with you about economic matters is like taking on ceec about islam. Best bring your A game or not show up at all.
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: cc on April 11, 2020, 05:07:39 PM
Post by: cc on April 11, 2020, 05:07:39 PM
I always knew Canadians were nowhere close to US and many others for productivity ... but it seems I did not know by how much
WOW .. who would want to start a world product company in Canada
OK, not much you can buy from Canada but US is pretty efficient and competitive
As I recall, always was that way before China got its hooks into things ... and Mexico
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Vancouver on April 11, 2020, 05:38:03 PM
Post by: Vancouver on April 11, 2020, 05:38:03 PM
I guess you could be right. Maybe north america is more productive. Companies should move manufacturing out from China but I still think many won't.A rising currency, too many employees performing too few tasks, better productivity in the West, and rapidly rising wages means production in China is not a money saver that it used to be.Quote from: "seoulbro"
I read this morning.
"Chinese companies are going out of business and that will continue as foreign companies race for the exit. It should go without saying that when a country's economy is in tatters, you will see an increase in companies shutting down. We are seeing this with manufacturing companies and we expect this will only get worse as more and more foreign companies move their manufacturing out."
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Zetsu on April 11, 2020, 07:15:25 PM
Post by: Zetsu on April 11, 2020, 07:15:25 PM
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2020, 07:45:35 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2020, 07:45:35 AM
I don't find the top 4 surprisingQuote from: "cc"
I always knew Canadians were nowhere close to US and many others for productivity ... but it seems I did not know by how much
WOW .. who would want to start a world product company in Canada
OK, not much you can buy from Canada but US is pretty efficient and competitive
As I recall, always was that way before China got its hooks into things ... and Mexico
Productivity has been a problem in Canada for a while. Trudeau has chased away foreign capital investment in key sectors which would have boosted our productivity. We are a productivity laggard and getting worse in fact.
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2020, 12:58:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2020, 12:58:11 PM
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2020, 03:48:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2020, 03:48:51 PM
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Frood on April 14, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
Post by: Frood on April 14, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
Never again can Canada be unprepared for national emergencies. Canada shipped critical supply chains overseas, and the jobs that came with them. We put our faith in corrupt foreign governments and incompetent global institutions. Now we're paying the price. The Chinese regime lied to the world in the early stages of COVID-19. Now they control most of the world's supply of protective equipment and PPE. We are at their mercy.Quote from: "seoulbro"
..and pharmaceuticals...
...and when the world retracts from China, they'll have nothing to lose pursuing their hard empire ambitions....
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2020, 03:53:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2020, 03:53:35 PM
Never again can Canada be unprepared for national emergencies. Canada shipped critical supply chains overseas, and the jobs that came with them. We put our faith in corrupt foreign governments and incompetent global institutions. Now we're paying the price. The Chinese regime lied to the world in the early stages of COVID-19. Now they control most of the world's supply of protective equipment and PPE. We are at their mercy.Quote from: "seoulbro"
..and pharmaceuticals...
...and when the world retracts from China, they'll have nothing to lose pursuing their hard empire ambitions....
From what I have read, Beijing is desperately trying to contain the coming exodus of companies.
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Frood on April 14, 2020, 04:01:01 PM
Post by: Frood on April 14, 2020, 04:01:01 PM
Never again can Canada be unprepared for national emergencies. Canada shipped critical supply chains overseas, and the jobs that came with them. We put our faith in corrupt foreign governments and incompetent global institutions. Now we're paying the price. The Chinese regime lied to the world in the early stages of COVID-19. Now they control most of the world's supply of protective equipment and PPE. We are at their mercy.Quote from: "seoulbro"
..and pharmaceuticals...
...and when the world retracts from China, they'll have nothing to lose pursuing their hard empire ambitions....
From what I have read, Beijing is desperately trying to contain the coming exodus of companies.
And then our problems grow...
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: cc on April 14, 2020, 07:34:20 PM
Post by: cc on April 14, 2020, 07:34:20 PM
Among many other China - benefit items, WHO claimed it could not be spread by human-to-human contact .. which they knew was not true from China .. and they knew this would hurt the rest of the world.
Calling it what it is - In effect it helped China with its act of war
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2020, 07:44:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2020, 07:44:33 PM
JUST IN: President Trump Halts US Funding of WHO "While a Review is Conducted" (like the UN, the US carries WHO on its back - others pay very little to both)Quote from: "cc"
Among many other China - benefit items, WHO claimed it could not be spread by human-to-human contact .. which they knew was not true from China .. and they knew this would hurt the rest of the world.
Calling it what it is - In effect it helped China with its act of war
Best president the states has had in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2020, 08:23:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2020, 08:23:52 PM
The Trump administration has taken a smart first step on this path. The Department of Health and Human Services recently awarded a $354 million contract for generic drug production to Phlow Corp., a Virginia-based manufacturer that uses state-of-the art drug manufacturing technology. The company will start making prescription drugs and pharmaceutical ingredients, including medicines used to treat COVID-19.
This marks a good start toward boosting U.S. drug production. But a comprehensive, whole-of-government response is needed. For example, the three standard antibiotics used to treat coronavirus-related infections — azithromycin, ciprofloxacin, and piperacillin — all require ingredients made in China. The United States also sources 80 percent of its active pharmaceutical ingredients from overseas, mostly from China and India. And even common household medicines like ibuprofen and acetaminophen overwhelmingly come from China. It's past time to start reshoring these capabilities.
The bigger issue is that China remains heavily interwoven in U.S. drug manufacturing. Currently, if a drug is assembled in the U.S. from ingredients made in China, the finished pharmaceutical can still be considered "American-made." And that allows companies using China-made drug ingredients to claim their product is 'Made in USA' — and have access to federal contracts. Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida has introduced legislation to close this loophole and ensure that federal procurement applies only to medicines with active ingredients made entirely in the United States.
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: cc on May 26, 2020, 09:06:02 PM
Post by: cc on May 26, 2020, 09:06:02 PM
Canada wimps out?
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2020, 09:29:39 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2020, 09:29:39 AM
Tomorrow comes ruling in the enemy prisoner
Canada wimps out?
A BC court.
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: cc on May 27, 2020, 02:44:43 PM
Post by: cc on May 27, 2020, 02:44:43 PM
The B.C. Supreme Court has ruled against Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou in a major decision this morning.
The decision, released Wednesday by Justice Heather Holmes, means Meng must stay in Canada and keep fighting the U.S. extradition order.
The legal arguments centre on whether the allegations Meng is facing in the United States would be a crime in Canada.
The United States has charged her with fraud over allegations she violated American sanctions against Iran, which she and the Chinese telecommunications giant have denied.
You got me watching Global a lot Fash!!
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2020, 03:25:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2020, 03:25:11 PM
Aha - "Meng Wanzhou loses key court fight, must stay in B.C. to fight extradition"https://globalnews.ca/news/6992243/meng-wanzhou-extradition-case-ruling-2/
The B.C. Supreme Court has ruled against Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou in a major decision this morning.
The decision, released Wednesday by Justice Heather Holmes, means Meng must stay in Canada and keep fighting the U.S. extradition order.
The legal arguments centre on whether the allegations Meng is facing in the United States would be a crime in Canada.
The United States has charged her with fraud over allegations she violated American sanctions against Iran, which she and the Chinese telecommunications giant have denied.
You got me watching Global a lot Fash!!
I aint sure if this is good or bad. Your thoughts ceec?
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: cc on May 27, 2020, 04:32:32 PM
Post by: cc on May 27, 2020, 04:32:32 PM
Giving secret info to Iran from US soil should get one trouble
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2020, 04:44:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2020, 04:44:23 PM
Well, a step .. it continues .. not sure of ending but I sure hope they give her to the US
Giving secret info to Iran from US soil should get one trouble
I didn't mean that. I mean we can forget about getting those two Canadians out of Chinese detention. And will we they punish us using trade.
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: cc on May 27, 2020, 05:12:45 PM
Post by: cc on May 27, 2020, 05:12:45 PM
I know we are digging out now, but it will be a while before we get our independence back
At moment we have no leverage to get anyone back .. combating trade pressure is difficult and a part of the hole we dug
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2020, 05:12:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2020, 05:12:57 PM
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: cc on May 27, 2020, 05:31:56 PM
Post by: cc on May 27, 2020, 05:31:56 PM
Things have changed greatly on the world stage - Most Western countries now openly admit to the pariah and know they much they must change everything to do with it .. in effect turn old ways upside down . We need join the club for support
There's a new tide in town!!! If we try to buck that tide, we will be alone
Title: Re: Get Out China - Feds move to block China-owned telecom service from operating in US
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2020, 06:25:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2020, 06:25:53 PM
And the longer we cowtow to them, the more and longer we will be controlled
Things have changed greatly on the world stage - Most Western countries now openly admit to the pariah and know they much they must change everything to do with it .. in effect turn old ways upside down . We need join the club for support
There's a new tide in town!!! If we try to buck that tide, we will be alone
I don't believe much will change this time..
I hope I'm wrong though.