Health experts demand end of closure, claim economic damage will drive increase morbidity and be worse than coronavirus epidemic.
A former director of Israel's health ministry and member of Knesset said Monday the "monstrous hysteria" over the coronavirus pandemic is doing more damage to the country than the virus itself.
Prof. Yoram Lass of Tel Aviv University said a letter that he and a dozen colleagues sent last week to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was ignored. The health experts wrote that the strict closures of schools and much of the economy would cause Israel's morbidity rate to go up and over time would result in more deaths than from the coronavirus epidemic.
"There is a monstrous hysteria like in the rest of the world" that was being driven by panic in the media.
"This is the first time that a medical epidemic has been accompanied by a social media epidemic," Lass told World Israel News.
Under the strict closures ordered by the government to prevent the spread of the virus, the education system was shut down and most Israelis have been restricted to their homes. In the space of a few weeks the unemployment rate has skyrocketed to a staggering 25 percent and there are fears of long-term damage to Israel's economy.
In a Channel 13 interview last week, Lass and colleague Prof. Asher Elhayani pointed to a European study that showed that any 1 percent increase in the unemployment rate leads to a 0.4 percent increase in population mortality. Elyahani said the drop in standard of living results in a rise in depression, suicide and other factors that adversely affect public health.
"The number of people likely to die as a result of quarantine, unemployment, poverty and loneliness will be infinitely greater than the number of deaths expected from the virus," the letter stated.
The professors said there is no data to support the claim that the coronavirus epidemic compares to the 20th-century Spanish influenza pandemic. Keeping healthy people at home who are not in high-risk groups was damaging the country, they stressed.
Elyani said he wasn't advising to remove the conditions totally, but to be smarter in battling the epidemic by concentrating on those who were more susceptible.
He recommended immediately reopening schools while keeping older staff at home because they are in a more susceptible age group.
Lass and Elhayani, a member of the Israel National Institute For Health Policy Research, said the 585 Israelis who have already recovered from the virus could go back to work immediately with no problems.
Lass said the mass hysteria was driving the politicians and public to take drastic, unneeded actions because they were expecting the worst case scenarios to happen.
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A total lockdown doesn't seem rational.
There is probably a better way than a total lockdown. The health professionals advising governments have been wrong so much, it is hard to take them seriously anymore.
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A total lockdown of healthy people. That does not make a lot of sense.
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Not arguing with you and I am aware of your current situation .. Now, the other side of that argument
one of those healthy people are out there till one contacts a carrier
now 1 more carrying it (maybe not even knowingly) .. and many other get it from him .. and many others get it from them .. and many others get it from them on a rapidly escalating scale
Replicate that x ???? and we overfill hospitals and can't cope .. and we have to shut everything down ... but it's too late .. no hospital beds .. nada
Remember as it is currently,
I know little for sure, but I do know there are no easy answers ... this stuff is the easiest to catch and most spreadable illness ever seen .. and worse, one can go days spreading it while not knowing they even have it
I don't know current status, but I do know Israel .. always the sharpest tool in the box .. and gutsiest ... and wisest .. shut down tight . .even though it is most prevalent among orthodox
People acting like teenagers who are grounded...oooh you have to stay home, life is so hard, boo-fuckin-hoo...
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Nothing in our modern times has come close to this.
Have you not seen the mass graves in the USA?
Our doctors know there should be 100% stage 4 lockdown and it should have started weeks ago.
We just have to tough it out... there will be another wave soon enough.
You will be OK... people survived the Great Depression... we will survive this too.
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A total lockdown of healthy people. That does not make a lot of sense.
Gaon, you're a very good poster..
But, could your haste to reopen the economy be for personal reasons?
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Nothing in our modern times has come close to this.
Have you not seen the mass graves in the USA?
Our doctors know there should be 100% stage 4 lockdown and it should have started weeks ago.
We just have to tough it out... there will be another wave soon enough.
You will be OK... people survived the Great Depression... we will survive this too.
Of the eighteen thousand deaths in the USA officially listed as due to COVID-19, not all are due to the virus..
If one has a heart attack and dies, but tests positive for the virus, their cause of death is registered as due to the virus..
The official death count from coronavirus is unreliable.
Remember that the virus can bring on heart problems along with many other problems .. so I'll argue that they are not perverting the count in those situations
If they listed it as heart, then they are kidding themselves as to the deadliness of the virus
In fact, there is technically 0 death by virus - all are do to
Now, if it was someone coming in the door with heart problem and died and not virus positive, I suspect it is not counted as virus ... so I don't buy the central argument, although I have heard it said a lot
On another argument, lock down or not, Rand Paul, someone I often see as voice of wisdom just said something that made me angry
He said, "
What a gross distortion of fact - Yes, they had 500 deaths .. BECAUSE they shut down very early FFS.
NY has 8,000 and rising because they were slow to shut down for example
People don't get it - if no shutdowns, health care will be totally overwhelmed (by a factor of multiples in fact .. like x2, x3,x4 etc) and be able to help few to none
As to what happens when things open up - I'm not optimistic ... may mean a great many cases and "here we go again"
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If they listed it as heart, then they are kidding themselves as to the deadliness of the virus
In fact, there is technically 0 death by virus - all are do to
Now, if it was someone coming in the door with heart problem and died and not virus positive, I suspect it is not counted as virus ... so I don't buy the central argument, although I have heard it said a lot
As I understand it, even if a person is asymptomatic, but dies, the coronavirus is listed as the cause of death.
I get it .. but still,
asymptomatic & dying not of virus would be a rare situation .. would not greatly skew the count
Also, symptoms and effects vary greatly - Some exhibit very very different symptoms .. maybe what they died from WAS their virus symptom
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asymptomatic & dying not of virus would be a rare situation .. would not greatly skew the count
Also, symptoms and effects vary greatly - Some exhibit very very different symptoms .. maybe what they died from WAS their virus symptom
That is not the impression I got from a video I saw of Dr Brix..
She basically acknowledged the death count is inaccurate..
But, nearly everything health leaders in the West have told us so far has been false.
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He said, "
What a gross distortion of fact - Yes, they had 500 deaths .. BECAUSE they shut down very early FFS.
NY has 8,000 and rising because they were slow to shut down for example
People don't get it - if no shutdowns, health care will be totally overwhelmed (by a factor of multiples in fact .. like x2, x3,x4 etc) and be able to help few to none
As to what happens when things open up - I'm not optimistic ... may mean a great many cases and "here we go again"
I'm becoming skeptical of total lockdowns..
I prefer the targeted isolation and use of technology methods advanced Asian countries have used..
Though, due to privacy concerns it may not be possible to do that here in North America.
Asian countries have done well
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He said, "
What a gross distortion of fact - Yes, they had 500 deaths .. BECAUSE they shut down very early FFS.
NY has 8,000 and rising because they were slow to shut down for example
People don't get it - if no shutdowns, health care will be totally overwhelmed (by a factor of multiples in fact .. like x2, x3,x4 etc) and be able to help few to none
As to what happens when things open up - I'm not optimistic ... may mean a great many cases and "here we go again"
It'll take awhile for it to sink into people's heads, the world as we knew it is gone for awhile. (Hopefully just awhile and not forever)
I had a nighmare the other day, I dreamt I was trying to feed 9 people on two cans of soup...
Every border inside every border should be locked down.
Our authorities are happy our graph is flattening but very worried about complacency.
Relevant point of interest as to why US shut Down drastically
Coronavirus task force member Dr. Anthony Fauci told "The Story with Martha MacCallum" Friday that he has always been skeptical of models projecting the toll of the coronavirus pandemic in the United States.
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"But then as you start to accumulate data, [...] that's real data likely being influenced heavily by the mitigation programs that you put in the physical separations, when real data comes in, then data in my mind always trumps any model," Fauci added.
This is the West's first real pandemic, so they weren't as sure of what to do as some of China's neighbours..
This pandemic will flare up again..
Hopefully, the response is not another total shutdown.
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If they listed it as heart, then they are kidding themselves as to the deadliness of the virus
In fact, there is technically 0 death by virus - all are do to
Now, if it was someone coming in the door with heart problem and died and not virus positive, I suspect it is not counted as virus ... so I don't buy the central argument, although I have heard it said a lot
As I understand it, even if a person is asymptomatic, but dies, the coronavirus is listed as the cause of death.
It seems the left in America wants the death rolls to appear larger than they are, so they can extend the government mandated recession. COVID-19 is doing what they could not with climate alarmism: destroy Western capitalism.
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Quote from: "cc"
If they listed it as heart, then they are kidding themselves as to the deadliness of the virus
In fact, there is technically 0 death by virus - all are do to
Now, if it was someone coming in the door with heart problem and died and not virus positive, I suspect it is not counted as virus ... so I don't buy the central argument, although I have heard it said a lot
As I understand it, even if a person is asymptomatic, but dies, the coronavirus is listed as the cause of death.
It seems the left in America wants the death rolls to appear larger than they are, so they can extend the government mandated recession. COVID-19 is doing what they could not with climate alarmism: destroy Western capitalism.
That wouldn't surprise me..
Public health officials in the West have been so wrong or deceptive from the beginning.