Title: UPDATE - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: cc on April 19, 2020, 06:37:22 PM
Post by: cc on April 19, 2020, 06:37:22 PM
multiple victims were found inside a residence in the community, and says there are more victims in communities across the province.
Gabriel Wortman, 51, is believed to be the primary suspect in the shooting spree that occurred in and around the area of Portapique,
Dressed as cop - also tried to make car look like cop - reports of setting fire also
Title: Re: More than 10 dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: cc on April 19, 2020, 06:44:16 PM
Post by: cc on April 19, 2020, 06:44:16 PM
RCMP Chief Superintendant Chris Leather says multiple victims were found inside a residence in the community, and says there are more victims in communities across the province.
By late Sunday morning, Wortman was about 90 kilometres away in Enfield, where the chase ended.
See Rejected > for full story
Title: Re: More than 10 dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 07:03:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 07:03:25 PM
I just found out about this less than five minutes ago.
Title: Re: 13 dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 07:18:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 07:18:26 PM
Title: Re: 13 dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: cc on April 19, 2020, 07:19:27 PM
Post by: cc on April 19, 2020, 07:19:27 PM
Here is timeline
He started 10.30 at night - it ended noon next day
Title: Re: 13 dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 07:42:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 07:42:21 PM
Count is 14 now (including shooter)Quote from: "cc"
Here is timelinehttps://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/a-timeline-of-the-deadly-shooting-incident-in-nova-scotia-1.4902954
He started 10.30 at night - it ended noon next day
I just watched it on Global.
Title: Re: 13 dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 08:05:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 08:05:38 PM
Title: Re: 13 dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: cc on April 19, 2020, 08:16:35 PM
Post by: cc on April 19, 2020, 08:16:35 PM
Title: Re: 13 dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 08:17:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 08:17:43 PM
Not seen the car. What I read implied a "sort of" level job on the carQuote from: "cc"
On the CBC, they said a cop couldn't tell it was a fake.
Title: Re: 13 dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: cc on April 19, 2020, 08:20:06 PM
Post by: cc on April 19, 2020, 08:20:06 PM
How the hell did he do this?
And why? ... Details are coming in pieces - must be lots to this story
Officer he killed Heidi Stevenson
Title: Re: 13 dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 08:31:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 08:31:59 PM
Title: Re: 13 dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: cc on April 19, 2020, 08:43:54 PM
Post by: cc on April 19, 2020, 08:43:54 PM
this guy was something else
He also switched cars
Enough parts to this to make a best seller, sadly
Title: Re: 13 dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 09:30:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 09:30:30 PM
It will be interesting when we get the whole story - there'a a lot of of pieces to it from start to finishQuote from: "cc"
this guy was something else
He also switched cars
Enough parts to this to make a best seller, sadly
There are a lot of holes in this story that need filling.
Title: Re: 13 dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: cc on April 19, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
Post by: cc on April 19, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
Using the jigsaw puzzle example, we have lots of dramatic bits and pieces, but still don't have the picture
Seems the number of dramatic events from early evening until noon next day is huge (different shootings, fires etc. .. only one highway end to end) .. and yet he was able to avoid capture
Title: Re: 13 dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 09:50:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 09:50:50 PM
Ya. That's what I was getting at.Quote from: "cc"
Using the jigsaw puzzle example, we have lots of dramatic bits and pieces, but still don't have the picture
Seems the number of dramatic events from early evening until noon next day is huge (different shootings, fires etc. .. only one highway end to end) .. and yet he was able to avoid capture
Oh, I know. Details are coming out drip drip, so it's hard to put it all together.
Title: Re: 13 dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 10:06:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2020, 10:06:52 PM
Ya. That's what I was getting at.Quote from: "cc"
Using the jigsaw puzzle example, we have lots of dramatic bits and pieces, but still don't have the picture
Seems the number of dramatic events from early evening until noon next day is huge (different shootings, fires etc. .. only one highway end to end) .. and yet he was able to avoid capture
Oh, I know. Details are coming out drip drip, so it's hard to put it all together.
It could be a day or two before we have answers.
Title: Re: 16 at least dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: cc on April 19, 2020, 10:30:10 PM
Post by: cc on April 19, 2020, 10:30:10 PM
Title: Re: 13 dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: cc on April 20, 2020, 12:50:05 AM
Post by: cc on April 20, 2020, 12:50:05 AM
His "cruiser" and uniform made it more difficult - His trick worked for a while
Initial concept is first people were planned .. final people maybe not
Title: Re: 16 dead (at least) not including perp - shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: caskur on April 20, 2020, 10:55:15 AM
Post by: caskur on April 20, 2020, 10:55:15 AM
Kate, 19 dead now. I said right away, there's a woman behind this. He was a well liked neighbour he made dentures and even made free set for a woman who couldn't afford them. Neighbours are shocked.
Because he had lots of money and had the time, he put his plan together buying a couple of police cars, had one retrofitted and got his hands on a police uniform or had one made. among the dead are his ex girlfriend and her spouse I heard last night, that confirms to me my opening statement. Why so many, I expect they helped his ex in some way and others said they had no connection with him, possibly he thought they did and that's all I have for now.
Oh yes, the police saw him in his parked car as an Irving Big Stop gas Bar/restaurant 45 minutes from here and open firing killing him
Title: Re: 13 dead, including one RCMP officer, after shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2020, 11:52:33 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2020, 11:52:33 AM
Damn!! "16 at least" not including killerQuote from: "cc"
His "cruiser" and uniform made it more difficult - His trick worked for a while
Initial concept is first people were planned .. final people maybe not
I saw that's seventeen dead now. This is officially the most prolific mass killing in Canadian history.
Title: Re: 16 dead (at least) not including perp - shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: cc on April 20, 2020, 12:06:07 PM
Post by: cc on April 20, 2020, 12:06:07 PM
Damn .. seems he went after people he knew initially, then killed random people
I don't recall seeing such action in past anywhere .. usually it's a grudge against people shooter know OR random .. but not both
and, fires - well planned, car & uniform etc.... pure evil
Title: Re: 16 dead (at least) not including perp - shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2020, 12:14:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2020, 12:14:45 PM
latest up to 18 + shooterQuote from: "cc"
Damn .. seems he went after people he knew initially, then killed random people
I don't recall seeing such action in past anywhere .. usually it's a grudge against people shooter know OR random .. but not both
and, fires - well planned, car & uniform etc.... pure evilhttps://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/18-dead-plus-the-shooter-in-nova-scotia-rampage-1.4903398
Targeted and random killings.
Title: Re: 19 dead (at least) not including perp - shooting spree in Portapique, N.S.
Post by: cc on April 20, 2020, 12:17:04 PM
Post by: cc on April 20, 2020, 12:17:04 PM
There could be more - difficult to check every home along his routes
So far, 16 locations - 16 forensic teams out there
Title: Re: EDIT - in excess of 19 victims - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: cc on April 20, 2020, 02:04:21 PM
Post by: cc on April 20, 2020, 02:04:21 PM
TORONTO -- There are "in excess of 19 victims" in the weekend killing rampage in Nova Scotia and investigators fear that number will rise as they probe 16 crime scenes.
Those include the scenes of five structure fires where RCMP believe more fatalities may be found, Chief Supt. Chris Leather said at a media update Monday afternoon.
Some of the victims were known to their killer and others who were not, Leather said. He would not comment on the nature of any relationship between the suspect and any victim or any motive.
"His ability to move around was certainly aided by the fact he had what looked like a police vehicle and that he was wearing a police uniform." It's unclear, says Leather, whether that uniform was a fabrication or a real one.
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2020, 02:11:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2020, 02:11:00 PM
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: cc on April 20, 2020, 02:20:34 PM
Post by: cc on April 20, 2020, 02:20:34 PM
I have a thing for following complex crime stories. Never heard of anything with all the elements of this one, anywhere
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Odinson on April 20, 2020, 02:37:46 PM
Post by: Odinson on April 20, 2020, 02:37:46 PM
And then he had to give half of his stuff to her and her lover in the divorce..
Pay alimony to her while she gets banged by a new guy on their old marital bed..
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Odinson on April 20, 2020, 02:43:56 PM
Post by: Odinson on April 20, 2020, 02:43:56 PM
He tried to get help for his situation from the super-duper feminist canadian courtroom..
They just said to him "its 2020"..
He then started planning his retribution against his ex-wife, the justice system and the whole nation of Canada.
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2020, 03:20:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2020, 03:20:21 PM
Would seem so. This one is so far over the top I'm making no assumptions on anythingQuote from: "cc"
I have a thing for following complex crime stories. Never heard of anything with all the elements of this one, anywhere
This is a unique crime spree.
Odinson, I read that two of the victims may have been the killer's estranged wife and her boyfriend.
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2020, 04:55:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2020, 04:55:38 PM
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: cc on April 20, 2020, 06:12:42 PM
Post by: cc on April 20, 2020, 06:12:42 PM
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Berry Sweet on April 20, 2020, 06:48:15 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on April 20, 2020, 06:48:15 PM
Yes. This unimaginable chain of events & sub-plots will be the source for many books and movies .. and TVQuote from: "cc"
Absolutely
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Berry Sweet on April 20, 2020, 06:55:54 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on April 20, 2020, 06:55:54 PM
His business was falling a part because the income wasnt enough for the expenses and alimony..Quote from: "Odinson"
He tried to get help for his situation from the super-duper feminist canadian courtroom..
They just said to him "its 2020"..
He then started planning his retribution against his ex-wife, the justice system and the whole nation of Canada.
I wouldn't be surprised. The courts are harsh with the alimony shit...a lot of injustice for men in a divorce...they end up paying obscene amounts of support and nothing left to support themselves...I dunno why they do this? There are so many stories of guys commiting suicide over these ridiculous court outcomes....I even read one about a guy to just left his home, left his wallet, shoes and took a canoe out to sea....it's really sad.
There was this story I read a while back...the guys ex wife was a lawyer..God, did she ever fuck him over...huge amount of alimony, over the top child support, then on top of it, she managed to add dings and fine for random shit, the guy was paying more monthly than what he was making...I would really like to know why judges do this to people? Zero common sense.
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2020, 08:03:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2020, 08:03:21 PM
His business was falling a part because the income wasnt enough for the expenses and alimony..Quote from: "Odinson"
He tried to get help for his situation from the super-duper feminist canadian courtroom..
They just said to him "its 2020"..
He then started planning his retribution against his ex-wife, the justice system and the whole nation of Canada.
I wouldn't be surprised. The courts are harsh with the alimony shit...a lot of injustice for men in a divorce...they end up paying obscene amounts of support and nothing left to support themselves...I dunno why they do this? There are so many stories of guys commiting suicide over these ridiculous court outcomes....I even read one about a guy to just left his home, left his wallet, shoes and took a canoe out to sea....it's really sad.
There was this story I read a while back...the guys ex wife was a lawyer..God, did she ever fuck him over...huge amount of alimony, over the top child support, then on top of it, she managed to add dings and fine for random shit, the guy was paying more monthly than what he was making...I would really like to know why judges do this to people? Zero common sense.
Old Odinson is pulling that out of his ass. Nobody knows that for sure.
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on April 20, 2020, 08:17:17 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on April 20, 2020, 08:17:17 PM
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2020, 08:29:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2020, 08:29:51 PM
Did he go into each home and shot these people while they were peaceful inside?Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"
I wonder about that too Azhya.
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Berry Sweet on April 20, 2020, 08:56:30 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on April 20, 2020, 08:56:30 PM
His business was falling a part because the income wasnt enough for the expenses and alimony..Quote from: "Odinson"
He tried to get help for his situation from the super-duper feminist canadian courtroom..
They just said to him "its 2020"..
He then started planning his retribution against his ex-wife, the justice system and the whole nation of Canada.
I wouldn't be surprised. The courts are harsh with the alimony shit...a lot of injustice for men in a divorce...they end up paying obscene amounts of support and nothing left to support themselves...I dunno why they do this? There are so many stories of guys commiting suicide over these ridiculous court outcomes....I even read one about a guy to just left his home, left his wallet, shoes and took a canoe out to sea....it's really sad.
There was this story I read a while back...the guys ex wife was a lawyer..God, did she ever fuck him over...huge amount of alimony, over the top child support, then on top of it, she managed to add dings and fine for random shit, the guy was paying more monthly than what he was making...I would really like to know why judges do this to people? Zero common sense.
Old Odinson is pulling that out of his ass. Nobody knows that for sure.
Oh I know, but the stories are true...it was actually a thought that crossed my mind when I first heard the story...
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on April 20, 2020, 09:12:20 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on April 20, 2020, 09:12:20 PM
Maybe his wife cheated on him..Quote from: "Odinson"
And then he had to give half of his stuff to her and her lover in the divorce..
Pay alimony to her while she gets banged by a new guy on their old marital bed..
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2020, 09:12:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2020, 09:12:57 PM
His business was falling a part because the income wasnt enough for the expenses and alimony..Quote from: "Odinson"
He tried to get help for his situation from the super-duper feminist canadian courtroom..
They just said to him "its 2020"..
He then started planning his retribution against his ex-wife, the justice system and the whole nation of Canada.
I wouldn't be surprised. The courts are harsh with the alimony shit...a lot of injustice for men in a divorce...they end up paying obscene amounts of support and nothing left to support themselves...I dunno why they do this? There are so many stories of guys commiting suicide over these ridiculous court outcomes....I even read one about a guy to just left his home, left his wallet, shoes and took a canoe out to sea....it's really sad.
There was this story I read a while back...the guys ex wife was a lawyer..God, did she ever fuck him over...huge amount of alimony, over the top child support, then on top of it, she managed to add dings and fine for random shit, the guy was paying more monthly than what he was making...I would really like to know why judges do this to people? Zero common sense.
Old Odinson is pulling that out of his ass. Nobody knows that for sure.
Oh I know, but the stories are true...it was actually a thought that crossed my mind when I first heard the story...
It could be true, but he does not know for sure.
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2020, 10:54:36 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2020, 10:54:36 AM
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2020, 11:12:24 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2020, 11:12:24 AM
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: cc on April 21, 2020, 01:04:17 PM
Post by: cc on April 21, 2020, 01:04:17 PM
1. the emergency warning system they count on there was not triggered
2. "at the time" radio or TV said nothing about him being in cruiser and uniform .. even though authorities knew very early .. and everyone in the area knew bad was happening and was tuned in all night long
If either is true, and he didn't seem to be making it up, authorities failed their people badly
The extent of course overwhelmed authorities, which is not an excuse. Rather it is even more reason to at least warn people to keep safe until it was over using every means possible
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: caskur on April 21, 2020, 02:32:26 PM
Post by: caskur on April 21, 2020, 02:32:26 PM
No one is to blame except the mass killer. He is the sole person to blame.
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: cc on April 21, 2020, 03:04:27 PM
Post by: cc on April 21, 2020, 03:04:27 PM
Authorities are trained and invested in for years .. and their only raison d'etre is to do the right thing at critical moments to protect people
Title: Re: EDIT - "in excess of 19 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2020, 06:10:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2020, 06:10:45 PM
I just heard a husband on TV whose wife was killed said very emotionally and angrily:Quote from: "cc"
1. the emergency warning system they count on there was not triggered
2. "at the time" radio or TV said nothing about him being in cruiser and uniform .. even though authorities knew very early .. and everyone in the area knew bad was happening and was tuned in all night long
If either is true, and he didn't seem to be making it up, authorities failed their people badly
The extent of course overwhelmed authorities, which is not an excuse. Rather it is even more reason to at least warn people to keep safe until it was over using every means possible
I blame Trump. Seriously, that is a big failure.
Title: Re: EDIT - " 22 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: cc on April 21, 2020, 07:30:59 PM
Post by: cc on April 21, 2020, 07:30:59 PM
Title: Re: EDIT - " 22 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2020, 09:49:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2020, 09:49:54 PM
Yes, clearly another T fail. He should have known and got it done .. the $$%^&*Quote from: "cc"
If it happened in the USA, I'm sure he would be blamed..
American politics is a three ring circus.
Title: Re: EDIT - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: caskur on April 22, 2020, 07:14:55 AM
Post by: caskur on April 22, 2020, 07:14:55 AM
Title: Re: EDIT - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: cc on April 22, 2020, 01:23:37 PM
Post by: cc on April 22, 2020, 01:23:37 PM
We have discussed lack of alerts by NS govt etc.
Nova Scotia premier says province had technicians on hand to send an alert — but the Mounties never asked
(They did put it on police's twitter - How many are logged into that? )
Both RCMP and NS govt were exceedingly derelict in informing no one .. and the province does have an alert process that was not used
I acknowledge the pace + small number of police would be overwhelming to management - but notifying people should have been done
In contrast, US embassy did sent 2 separate alerts .. 1 via email and other via text as I read it to their people registered as staying in NS > "dangerous activity in process, stay in, lock doors etc."
WTF??
As for investigation of the 16 sites, this small province of course is overwhelmed and bringing in teams from across Canada
Title: Re: EDIT - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2020, 08:15:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2020, 08:15:18 PM
^^^ Not surprised .. that's justifiedQuote from: "cc"
We have discussed lack of alerts by NS govt etc.
Nova Scotia premier says province had technicians on hand to send an alert — but the Mounties never askedhttps://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/questions-remain-rcmp-ns-emergency-alert-1.5540100
(They did put it on police's twitter - How many are logged into that? )
Both RCMP and NS govt were exceedingly derelict in informing no one .. and the province does have an alert process that was not used
I acknowledge the pace + small number of police would be overwhelming to management - but notifying people should have been done
In contrast, US embassy did sent 2 separate alerts .. 1 via email and other via text as I read it to their people registered as staying in NS > "dangerous activity in process, stay in, lock doors etc."
WTF??
As for investigation of the 16 sites, this small province of course is overwhelmed and bringing in teams from across Canada
Our alerts in Alberta are very good.
Title: Re: EDIT - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2020, 10:19:13 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2020, 10:19:13 AM
Title: Re: EDIT - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2020, 12:07:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2020, 12:07:47 PM
Title: Re: EDIT - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: cc on April 23, 2020, 02:18:45 PM
Post by: cc on April 23, 2020, 02:18:45 PM
Video appears to show Nova Scotia shooting suspect stop, change clothes amid killing
Looks legit - A real cop would not do that .. "Cool" / cold or what?
The person who posted the video said it was taken from a surveillance camera outside their father's business in Millbrook First Nation, just eight kilometres north of Brookfield.
"I am so disgusted and disturbed at how calm this man is," the original Facebook post read.
"My heart is with you, Nova Scotia."
Title: Re: EDIT - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2020, 08:04:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2020, 08:04:00 PM
I saw a chilling interview with a man who was being hunted by the killer. He managed to hide in the woods until daylight.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
I saw that too on The National..
The shooter had killed the brother man of the man who hid in the forest.
Title: Re: EDIT - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: cc on April 24, 2020, 12:08:56 AM
Post by: cc on April 24, 2020, 12:08:56 AM
Nova Scotia shootings began after gunman attacked his girlfriend, sources say
The killings started with what investigators believe was an argument between Gabriel Wortman and his girlfriend, sources tell Global News.
The killings that began Saturday night in the rural Nova Scotia community of Portapique and ended the next morning with the death of the gunman at a gas station started with domestic violence when Gabriel Wortman attacked his girlfriend, sources tell Global News.
Investigators believe Wortman and his girlfriend were at a party at a nearby home in the Portapique area when Wortman began arguing with her. They left the party and sources believe Wortman escalated the argument back at his cottage — assaulting her and tying her up. She escaped and hid in the woods.
Wortman left his cottage after the assault and investigators believe that's when the shootings started. He returned to the house where the party was being held and killed several people there, sources said.
Police found Wortman's girlfriend around 7 a.m. local, sources said. It was from her they learned he was likely dressed as a police officer and driving a fake cruiser. She also provided the picture of the vehicle that was widely distributed. The information changed the way police were searching for Wortman.
Police have not yet commented on a possible motive, nor have they said whether the killing was planned.
Title: Re: EDIT - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
Info dribbling in nowQuote from: "cc"
Nova Scotia shootings began after gunman attacked his girlfriend, sources say
The killings started with what investigators believe was an argument between Gabriel Wortman and his girlfriend, sources tell Global News.
The killings that began Saturday night in the rural Nova Scotia community of Portapique and ended the next morning with the death of the gunman at a gas station started with domestic violence when Gabriel Wortman attacked his girlfriend, sources tell Global News.
Investigators believe Wortman and his girlfriend were at a party at a nearby home in the Portapique area when Wortman began arguing with her. They left the party and sources believe Wortman escalated the argument back at his cottage — assaulting her and tying her up. She escaped and hid in the woods.
Wortman left his cottage after the assault and investigators believe that's when the shootings started. He returned to the house where the party was being held and killed several people there, sources said.
Police found Wortman's girlfriend around 7 a.m. local, sources said. It was from her they learned he was likely dressed as a police officer and driving a fake cruiser. She also provided the picture of the vehicle that was widely distributed. The information changed the way police were searching for Wortman.
Police have not yet commented on a possible motive, nor have they said whether the killing was planned.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6858994/nova-scotia-shootings-gunman-attacked-girlfriend/?utm_source=NewsletterNational&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=2020
I'm surprised he didn't kill his girlfriend.
Title: Re: EDIT - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: cc on May 11, 2020, 03:23:02 PM
Post by: cc on May 11, 2020, 03:23:02 PM
I'm surprised he didn't kill his girlfriend.Quote
I believe she got ropes undone, fled and hid ... although if you mean right then and there instead of tying her, a good question.
He did burn his house down so maybe he intended to burn her to death like he did to 9 others .. but didn't realize she got away??
Not totally sure. There's a new summary article out today .. I'll see if they address that
TODAY INFO:
Wortman had 4 semi-automatic weapons .. two semi-automatic handguns and two semi-automatic rifles
Police have confirmed that nine of the victims died in house fires and 13 were shot.
They now believe Wortman used "an accelerant" to set the fires .. From witness statements, we know the gunman had a significant supply of gasoline at his home
"with the intent of gathering insights into why he committed the acts of violence."
"This includes an analysis of his personality, past behaviour and how he related to others,"
Title: Re: UPDATE - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2020, 05:18:16 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2020, 05:18:16 PM
Title: Re: UPDATE - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2020, 08:07:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2020, 08:07:00 PM
Title: Re: UPDATE - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2020, 12:13:13 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2020, 12:13:13 AM
Title: Re: UPDATE - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: cc on May 14, 2020, 01:05:20 AM
Post by: cc on May 14, 2020, 01:05:20 AM
The firearms were not legal correct?Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
At least most were not .. I forget if all were not
Apparently Gabriel Wortman was a violent alcoholic who beat his girlfriend. Police investigated his violent attacks and were warned he had illegal firearms.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
If they were warned??? Why did they not take them .. before he used them
Title: Re: UPDATE - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2020, 01:15:28 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2020, 01:15:28 AM
The firearms were not legal correct?Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
At least most were not .. I forget if all were notApparently Gabriel Wortman was a violent alcoholic who beat his girlfriend. Police investigated his violent attacks and were warned he had illegal firearms.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
If they were warned??? Why did they not take them .. before he used them
Title: Re: UPDATE - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2020, 02:28:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2020, 02:28:34 PM
Title: Re: UPDATE - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: cc on September 02, 2020, 03:51:12 PM
Post by: cc on September 02, 2020, 03:51:12 PM
The body of a Nova Scotia shooting victim was allegedly transported from a crime scene by a tow truck while still inside his vehicle, according to an amended version of a proposed class action lawsuit filed against the RCMP, the federal government and the province.
"(The RCMP) allowed a deceased victim's body to remain in a vehicle while said vehicle was towed from a crime scene to be collected and analysed as evidence, rather than ensuring that the body was first removed and cared for in the appropriate manner before the vehicle was seized," the amended lawsuit claims.
The claim does not identify the victim by name. However, the two lawyers who represent victims of the shooting spree and victims' family members told Global News the body was that of Joey Webber, a 36-year-old man who was killed by the gunman when he reportedly stopped to assist RCMP Cst. Heidi Stevenson after she was attacked.
"Joey Webber's family is deeply troubled by how his body was treated," said the family's lawyer Sandra McCulloch.
Webber was one of 22 people killed in a 13-hour shooting spree on the weekend of April 18 and 19.
Title: Re: UPDATE - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on September 02, 2020, 04:01:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 02, 2020, 04:01:11 PM
RCMP screwed up even worse it turns outBody of Nova Scotia shooting victim allegedly transported by tow truck while left in his vehicle(//https)
The body of a Nova Scotia shooting victim was allegedly transported from a crime scene by a tow truck while still inside his vehicle, according to an amended version of a proposed class action lawsuit filed against the RCMP, the federal government and the province.
"(The RCMP) allowed a deceased victim's body to remain in a vehicle while said vehicle was towed from a crime scene to be collected and analysed as evidence, rather than ensuring that the body was first removed and cared for in the appropriate manner before the vehicle was seized," the amended lawsuit claims.
The claim does not identify the victim by name. However, the two lawyers who represent victims of the shooting spree and victims' family members told Global News the body was that of Joey Webber, a 36-year-old man who was killed by the gunman when he reportedly stopped to assist RCMP Cst. Heidi Stevenson after she was attacked.
"Joey Webber's family is deeply troubled by how his body was treated," said the family's lawyer Sandra McCulloch.
Webber was one of 22 people killed in a 13-hour shooting spree on the weekend of April 18 and 19."They received videos and photographs from just regular citizens that showed Joey's body was left in his car for eight or nine hours and then transported on a tow truck," Pineo said.
The RCMP handled everything about that mass killing spree badly.
Title: Re: UPDATE - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: cc on April 11, 2022, 04:59:41 PM
Post by: cc on April 11, 2022, 04:59:41 PM
I have to allow there were few cops over the larger area this guy killed 22 people .. both night before & them again in morning
Many more cops should have been sent in to cover the whole area
Now, this is extremely bad form!! Mistaken for mass killer, man recalls shot 'like a sonic boom' as RCMP fired at him
At 10:17 a.m., as Westlake was chatting with an RCMP officer parked in front of the building, he watched in disbelief as a car screeched to a halt about 80 metres away and two men emerged with rifles. As both took aim at him, he made a dash for the firehall.
"I remember a shot that sounded like a sonic boom and then another one that was really loud, and I'm moving at this time," Westlake told a public inquiry investigating the worst mass shooting in modern Canadian history.
The two shooters were RCMP officers who mistakenly assumed Westlake was the killer, mainly because he was wearing a yellow-and-orange reflective vest that matched the police description of what the suspect was wearing.
Westlake's dramatic account of what happened that day was given to an inquiry investigator on June 15, 2021. The release Monday of a document that includes excerpts from that interview marks the first time the public has heard Westlake's version of events.
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Repeated communication failures were partly to blame for the Nova Scotia RCMP's inability to stop a gunman from killing 22 people over a 13-hour span in April 2020, recently released documents show ... not to mention miscommunication of a victim saying "perfectly decked out cop car & uniform" getting discounted
Title: Re: UPDATE - " 23 victims" - 16 __cpLocations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2022, 05:32:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2022, 05:32:32 PM
The investigation is now being reported ... what a mess this thing was
I have to allow there were few cops over the larger area this guy killed 22 people .. both night before & them again in morning
Many more cops should have been sent in to cover the whole area
Now, this is extremely bad form!! Mistaken for mass killer, man recalls shot 'like a sonic boom' as RCMP fired at him
At 10:17 a.m., as Westlake was chatting with an RCMP officer parked in front of the building, he watched in disbelief as a car screeched to a halt about 80 metres away and two men emerged with rifles. As both took aim at him, he made a dash for the firehall.
"I remember a shot that sounded like a sonic boom and then another one that was really loud, and I'm moving at this time," Westlake told a public inquiry investigating the worst mass shooting in modern Canadian history.
The two shooters were RCMP officers who mistakenly assumed Westlake was the killer, mainly because he was wearing a yellow-and-orange reflective vest that matched the police description of what the suspect was wearing.
Westlake's dramatic account of what happened that day was given to an inquiry investigator on June 15, 2021. The release Monday of a document that includes excerpts from that interview marks the first time the public has heard Westlake's version of events.
{Again, cops were greatly overwhelmed what with the shooter's use of cop car & clothing +++ ... but shooting at a running away person with no weapons was very WAY off .. cops almost killed a fireman and shot up the firestation ... the whole thing was a fkup from the gitgo ending with 22 killed in almost as many individual incidents]
Repeated communication failures were partly to blame for the Nova Scotia RCMP's inability to stop a gunman from killing 22 people over a 13-hour span in April 2020, recently released documents show ... not to mention miscommunication of a victim saying "perfectly decked out cop car & uniform" getting discounted
The Nova Scotia RC's really screwed the pooch.
Title: Re: UPDATE - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2022, 07:08:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2022, 07:08:29 PM
The investigation is now being reported ... what a mess this thing was
I have to allow there were few cops over the larger area this guy killed 22 people .. both night before & them again in morning
Many more cops should have been sent in to cover the whole area
Now, this is extremely bad form!! Mistaken for mass killer, man recalls shot 'like a sonic boom' as RCMP fired at him
At 10:17 a.m., as Westlake was chatting with an RCMP officer parked in front of the building, he watched in disbelief as a car screeched to a halt about 80 metres away and two men emerged with rifles. As both took aim at him, he made a dash for the firehall.
"I remember a shot that sounded like a sonic boom and then another one that was really loud, and I'm moving at this time," Westlake told a public inquiry investigating the worst mass shooting in modern Canadian history.
The two shooters were RCMP officers who mistakenly assumed Westlake was the killer, mainly because he was wearing a yellow-and-orange reflective vest that matched the police description of what the suspect was wearing.
Westlake's dramatic account of what happened that day was given to an inquiry investigator on June 15, 2021. The release Monday of a document that includes excerpts from that interview marks the first time the public has heard Westlake's version of events.
{Again, cops were greatly overwhelmed what with the shooter's use of cop car & clothing +++ ... but shooting at a running away person with no weapons was very WAY off .. cops almost killed a fireman and shot up the firestation ... the whole thing was a fkup from the gitgo ending with 22 killed in almost as many individual incidents]
Repeated communication failures were partly to blame for the Nova Scotia RCMP's inability to stop a gunman from killing 22 people over a 13-hour span in April 2020, recently released documents show ... not to mention miscommunication of a victim saying "perfectly decked out cop car & uniform" getting discounted
How did they mess this up so badly.......I guess that's what they will find out.
Title: Re: UPDATE - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: cc on April 11, 2022, 08:23:28 PM
Post by: cc on April 11, 2022, 08:23:28 PM
I have never heard of such an ongoing many hours long screwup upon screwup upon screwup
Title: Re: UPDATE - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2022, 08:28:15 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2022, 08:28:15 PM
Yes, that's what they are detailing now.
I have never heard of such an ongoing many hours long screwup upon screwup upon screwup
People died because they got it o wrong.
Title: Re: UPDATE - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: cc on April 11, 2022, 08:33:42 PM
Post by: cc on April 11, 2022, 08:33:42 PM
That said, this was unbelievably messed up over & over for 13 hours long - Today's finding that they shot at a fireman & the firehouse because he had emergency person vest on & ran like hell when they both pointed guns at him was mindboggling
Title: Re: UPDATE - " 23 victims" - 16 locations / crime scenes in Nova Scotia
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2022, 08:37:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2022, 08:37:45 PM
I'm not down on cops at all ..I count on them to be my my protectors in a pinch
That said, this was unbelievably messed up over & over for 13 hours
I'm not either cc......my younger brother is a policeman..
He gas said too that so many mistakes were made that shouldn't have happened.