Title: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2020, 10:03:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2020, 10:03:56 PM
There is no such thing as a non-essential small business. It is the engine that powers our economy. 85% of all jobs in Canada are created by small and medium-sized businesses. This shutdown has been great for Walmart, Amazon and Loblaws, but it has devastated small businesses.
We don't need a sprawling bureaucracy holding up the re-opening any longer than necessary.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2020, 10:14:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2020, 10:14:25 PM
When Canada went into lockdown, we had one goal in mind: flattening the curve and creating healthcare capacity. Thanks to the sacrifice of Canadians and the hard work of our first-responders, we've flattened that curve. Hospital admissions are on the decline around the country. We have healthcare capacity. Now, we must turn our attention to safely re-opening the economy.
There is no such thing as a non-essential small business. It is the engine that powers our economy. 85% of all jobs in Canada are created by small and medium-sized businesses. This shutdown has been great for Walmart, Amazon and Loblaws, but it has devastated small businesses.
We don't need a sprawling bureaucracy holding up the re-opening any longer than necessary.
We've done that in Alberta, so has BC, Saskatchewan and Manitoba..
What is the point of continuing these destructive lockdowns.....they were meant to be very temporary measures.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2020, 11:07:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2020, 11:07:27 PM
The Seoul brother has a good point though. The reason for lockdowns was to prevent overwhelming hospitals. We have done that.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2020, 11:56:37 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2020, 11:56:37 AM
The only way this ends: herd immunity
It has a bad rap, but in the long run it's our best hope.
while there is still a lot we don't know about COVID-19, including exactly how many people are or have been infected, epidemiologists believe that this virus won't begin to disappear until a far higher percentage of the population — at least 60 percent — develops immunity. If that doesn't happen with a vaccine, it has to happen through exposure.
For weeks, the most pressing policy challenge has been relieving the life-and-death pressure on our hospitals. But all that justifiable emphasis on flattening the curve may have created a dangerous illusion that we can get away with relatively small infection rates.
It's easy to forget that if a disease can't be contained — and it's too late for that in the COVID-19 pandemic — then there's only one possible ending to the story: We must collectively develop immunity to the disease. In lieu of a vaccine, that means most of us will need to be exposed to the virus, and some unknowably large number of us will die in the process.
This is the simple, scary math that Harvard epidemiologists Marc Lipsitch and his colleague Yonatan Grad have tried to convey in a series of recently published papers: If each person infected with COVID-19 disease in turn infects three more, as we now think, then in order to bring the disease to heel, Grad says, two of those people must already be immune. "If one person can only spread the disease to one other person, the virus is no longer an epidemic," he says.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2020, 12:03:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2020, 12:03:39 PM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2020, 12:26:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2020, 12:26:17 PM
Limiting infection rates is only a stop gap measure. We really need a vaccine. Since that won't happen soon, we may start to consider herd immunity.Quote from: "seoulbro"
Or we may get it without even trying.
Way more people may have gotten coronavirus than we thought, small antibody study suggests
Between 50 and 85 times as many people in Santa Clara County have coronavirus antibodies as have tested positive for the virus.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: kiebers on May 05, 2020, 12:33:12 PM
Post by: kiebers on May 05, 2020, 12:33:12 PM
Between 50 and 85 times as many people in Santa Clara County have coronavirus antibodies as have tested positive for the virus.
Exactly what I have been saying. No telling where it will end up after all the data is in. LA county was 28-55% more and could get bigger when all the data is finally in. Based on New York states results so far, 12.5% of the states population shows antibodies, roughly 2.5 million.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: caskur on May 05, 2020, 01:46:24 PM
Post by: caskur on May 05, 2020, 01:46:24 PM
When Canada went into lockdown, we had one goal in mind: flattening the curve and creating healthcare capacity. Thanks to the sacrifice of Canadians and the hard work of our first-responders, we've flattened that curve.Quote from: "seoulbro"
What graph is flattening?
According to this you haven't sustained any "flattening" of anything yet.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: cc on May 05, 2020, 02:15:23 PM
Post by: cc on May 05, 2020, 02:15:23 PM
curves which your link does show this are lower down the page
Here's another look - Unfortunately most charts here are not images
Further good data is within link
This one I can reproduce - it represents increases
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: caskur on May 05, 2020, 02:55:56 PM
Post by: caskur on May 05, 2020, 02:55:56 PM
SB says, "Hospital admissions are on the decline around the country", that is because hospitals are probably telling people to go home to die.
Canada yesterday = 1,298 new cases and 172 new deaths in Canada
WA has no deaths in the last week...
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: cc on May 05, 2020, 03:09:25 PM
Post by: cc on May 05, 2020, 03:09:25 PM
It also was the 1st one hit in N America (a horrid incident in Care Home outside of Seattle woke everyone up)
It is doing extremely well for a while now
My Province BC is doing quite well, but not as good as Wa
Canada as a whole has slowed a bit .. but not near as much as I had presumed it would via some lock downs
It's all in the numbers over time and I have each day totals since March 14 to today for Canada, US, BC, Wa and Sweden
My chart is a good way to keep track of trends but curves make trends into no brainers
Had I done it in a spreadsheet instead of text pages I could have made curves
Do you have a good daily WA source? I'm having trouble getting updates quickly
EDIT - Oh, you mean your WA .....
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2020, 03:34:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2020, 03:34:23 PM
You're kidding yourselves if you think you are flattening...Quote from: "caskur"
SB says, "Hospital admissions are on the decline around the country", that is because hospitals are probably telling people to go home to die.
Canada yesterday = 1,298 new cases and 172 new deaths in Canada
WA has no deaths in the last week...
No idiot, it's because they don't need to be hospitalized. It's a virus, not cancer.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2020, 03:39:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2020, 03:39:29 PM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: caskur on May 05, 2020, 03:44:24 PM
Post by: caskur on May 05, 2020, 03:44:24 PM
You're kidding yourselves if you think you are flattening...Quote from: "caskur"
SB says, "Hospital admissions are on the decline around the country", that is because hospitals are probably telling people to go home to die.
Canada yesterday = 1,298 new cases and 172 new deaths in Canada
WA has no deaths in the last week...
No idiot, it's because they don't need to be hospitalized. It's a virus, not cancer.
Um... so why was Boris hospitalized IHJ?
And why did these married doctors die of the Chinese Virus IJH?
Ontario husband and wife with COVID-19 die within days of each other
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: cc on May 05, 2020, 03:51:30 PM
Post by: cc on May 05, 2020, 03:51:30 PM
Cascur is always gentle and a very good and very smart informative poster ... a great addition to our group
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: caskur on May 05, 2020, 04:00:52 PM
Post by: caskur on May 05, 2020, 04:00:52 PM
He can call me an idiot but we went hard on this virus, New Zealand went harder... NZ is going from stage 4 to 3 now and we are preparing to loosen up a little as well. Bars and Restaurants will still be closed but they can still serve take-away.
If you listen to the negativity from the press about the financial situation, you'll go bonkers... Haven't we as a human race conquered every financial disaster we've ever had? Yes we have but you cannot bring back all the frontliners from death of this virus. The Dr, Nurses, Police and Armies.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: caskur on May 05, 2020, 04:06:44 PM
Post by: caskur on May 05, 2020, 04:06:44 PM
Hey IH. You know I love ya ... but please save insult words for the MANY cases and clunkers where they are earned & appropriateQuote from: "cc"
Cascur is always gentle and a very good and very smart informative poster ... a great addition to our group
CC, does your Prime Minster/Premier give daily reports about newly infected from self quarantined to people in hospital?
We put people coming home from overseas on to Rottnest Island, ones who are sicker, in hotels so when they turn critical, we then put them in hospital.
What sort of information do you actually get?
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: caskur on May 05, 2020, 04:14:14 PM
Post by: caskur on May 05, 2020, 04:14:14 PM
New South Wales was the most whacked mainly from letting off (without checking) the Ruby Princess cruise ship passengers to then infect NSW. There is now a criminal inquiry.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: cc on May 05, 2020, 04:38:00 PM
Post by: cc on May 05, 2020, 04:38:00 PM
Agreed. Stopping border entry has been key .. every time they slip up of left it for a while a huge price was paid
My province comprising Canada's entire West Coast is doing fairly well. One human disaster in a care home in Vancouver really woke people up - govt took it over fast
Care homes are all doing it right now and doing very well .. as is the entire province in general
We would have fewer had the govt closed border earlier - many Chinese from Wuhan embarked in Vancouver and got it going here
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: caskur on May 05, 2020, 05:56:49 PM
Post by: caskur on May 05, 2020, 05:56:49 PM
We do not get good info from the FedsQuote from: "cc"
Agreed. Stopping border entry has been key .. every time they slip up of left it for a while a huge price was paid
My province comprising Canada's entire West Coast is doing fairly well. One human disaster in a care home in Vancouver really woke people up - govt took it over fast
Care homes are all doing it right now and doing very well .. as is the entire province in general
We would have fewer had the govt closed border earlier - many Chinese from Wuhan embarked in Vancouver and got it going here
One woman with little symptoms infected aged people in a home in our Eastern States... 17 elderly dead and 3 more staff now infected too..
We now have 97 deaths Australia-wide but I guess it'll break the 100 mark today perhaps...
4 states have had no deaths in days...
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2020, 08:28:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2020, 08:28:20 PM
The faster the infection curve rises, the quicker the local health care system gets overloaded beyond its capacity to treat people.
Our health care system is not overloaded in Canada even though we have 12th highest number of infections in the world..
The biggest fear is that the provinces health care couldn't manage the number of people who needed hospitalization for the coronavirus, but that didn't happen..
This is why provinces are opening up again and people needing treatments and surgeries that were put on hold, can receive them now......hopefully it's not too late..
This is why we wanted to flatten the curve.....to manage the number of people who may need hospitalization for the virus..
Lockdowns to flatten the curve are not a solution to the pandemic and nor were they intended to be anything more than a temporary measure.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2020, 03:00:57 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2020, 03:00:57 AM
Hospitals were not designed for just handling a virus. Death is the result of health care lockdowns.
Delayed cardiac surgeries due to coronavirus may have caused 35 deaths in Ontario: minister
Doctors worry the coronavirus is keeping patients away from US hospitals as ER visits drop: 'Heart attacks don't stop'
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2020, 03:07:37 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2020, 03:07:37 AM
Controversial given the high risk of deaths, a coronavirus strategy discarded by the U.K. is being touted as the solution for poor but young countries like India.
Herd immunity, which allows a majority of the population to gain resistance to the virus by becoming infected and then recovering, could result in less economic devastation and human suffering than restrictive lockdowns designed to stop its spread, according to a growing group of experts.
"No country can afford a prolonged period of lockdowns, and least of all a country like India," said Jayaprakash Muliyil, a prominent Indian epidemiologist. "You may be able to reach a point of herd immunity without infection really catching up with the elderly. And when the herd immunity reaches a sufficient number the outbreak will stop, and the elderly are also safe."
A team of researchers at Princeton University and the Center for Disease Dynamics, Economics and Policy, a public health advocacy group based in New Delhi and Washington, has identified India as a place where this strategy could be successful because its disproportionately young population would face less risk of hospitalization and death.
They said allowing the virus to be unleashed in a controlled way for the next seven months would give 60% of the country's people immunity by November, and thus halt the disease.
Mortality could be limited as the virus spreads compared to European nations like Italy given that 93.5% of the Indian population is younger than 65, they said, though no death toll projections were released.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 06, 2020, 04:52:46 AM
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 06, 2020, 04:52:46 AM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2020, 05:58:46 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2020, 05:58:46 AM
We got killer hornets now...Jumanji is just getting started....Quote from: "Berry Sweet"
I would rather get infected by the coronavirus than get stung by two or three of them.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Frood on May 06, 2020, 09:42:19 AM
Post by: Frood on May 06, 2020, 09:42:19 AM
We got killer hornets now...Jumanji is just getting started....Quote from: "Berry Sweet"
I would rather get infected by the coronavirus than get stung by two or three of them.
Insects and arachnids are easy bites... venomous snakes are different...
...I remember getting bit by a spider in 1997 and enduring near death for a week... I pissed orange when I managed to pee, shook violently through the night and day with chills then fevers, then chills again... I was delirious for 3 days straight...
A venomous snake bites you.... that's a whole new world of trouble... the best you can expect is to have elastic bandages handy to wrap the area up and down, and then get to a hospital with antivenom.
...Abos here used to practice the lie down in place regime...usually for 3-5 days.... totally still immediately after the bite...
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2020, 11:14:47 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2020, 11:14:47 AM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Frood on May 06, 2020, 11:52:45 AM
Post by: Frood on May 06, 2020, 11:52:45 AM
I imagine all the hospitals have anti venom available.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Not for all or the unidentified snake bite... or the crossbreed's... it's hit and miss unless you bring the dead snake with you...
...sonething I realized in a different hemisphere of my youth when I got bit by a squirrel....
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2020, 12:30:16 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2020, 12:30:16 PM
Advanced countries in Asia, Europe and North America are old. But, herd immunity could be a solution for young developing nations.Quote from: "Herman"https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-21/a-herd-immunity-strategy-could-actually-work-in-youthful-india
Controversial given the high risk of deaths, a coronavirus strategy discarded by the U.K. is being touted as the solution for poor but young countries like India.
Herd immunity, which allows a majority of the population to gain resistance to the virus by becoming infected and then recovering, could result in less economic devastation and human suffering than restrictive lockdowns designed to stop its spread, according to a growing group of experts.
"No country can afford a prolonged period of lockdowns, and least of all a country like India," said Jayaprakash Muliyil, a prominent Indian epidemiologist. "You may be able to reach a point of herd immunity without infection really catching up with the elderly. And when the herd immunity reaches a sufficient number the outbreak will stop, and the elderly are also safe."
A team of researchers at Princeton University and the Center for Disease Dynamics, Economics and Policy, a public health advocacy group based in New Delhi and Washington, has identified India as a place where this strategy could be successful because its disproportionately young population would face less risk of hospitalization and death.
They said allowing the virus to be unleashed in a controlled way for the next seven months would give 60% of the country's people immunity by November, and thus halt the disease.
Mortality could be limited as the virus spreads compared to European nations like Italy given that 93.5% of the Indian population is younger than 65, they said, though no death toll projections were released.
Some form of herd immunity might be inevitable in North America and Europe..
There are too many infected people for lockdowns to be even a temporary solution.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 06, 2020, 06:38:04 PM
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 06, 2020, 06:38:04 PM
We got killer hornets now...Jumanji is just getting started....Quote from: "Berry Sweet"
I would rather get infected by the coronavirus than get stung by two or three of them.
Me too, it sounds less painful. Scary at the same time, what's next tho? What's on the next level up? I'm sure there's something right around the corner for summer...
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Vancouver on May 06, 2020, 08:46:16 PM
Post by: Vancouver on May 06, 2020, 08:46:16 PM
Province lays out COVID-19 reopening plans, prioritizes rebooting health-care system and some businesses
The highlights:
- Gatherings of 2-6 people permitted in time for long weekend.
- Retail stores, hair salons, child care, restaurants, libraries and museums could reopen soon.
- Elective surgeries, dental services and physiotherapy are priorities to resume in mid-May.
- Provincial parks expected to open for day use on May 14.
- Overnight camping could be allowed in June.
- Hotels, movie theatres and the film industry might reopen in the summer.
- Schools expected to be open to most students in September.
- All reopenings will depend on detailed plans to avoid transmission of COVID-19.
- Nightclubs, bars and casinos will not reopen anytime soon.
- The ban on gatherings of more than 50 people remains in place.
Small dinner parties, backyard barbecues and hugs with family are set to return to B.C., just in time for the Victoria Day long weekend, while haircuts, elective surgeries and dentist appointments might be available again within weeks.
The provincial government announced its plans Wednesday for a gradual return to normal life in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic.
During a technical briefing with reporters that was closed to the public, B.C. officials told reporters that beginning next weekend, gatherings with two to six guests are OK, as long as there's a strict understanding that no one will socialize if they have any symptoms of COVID-19, including coughing and sneezing. Provincial parks will be open for day use as of May 14.
Even long-verboten signs of affection like hugging extended family members and close friends will be acceptable, as long as the recipient isn't vulnerable to serious illness. In all cases where people are opening up their social circles and renewing physical contact, Provincial Health Officer Dr. Bonnie Henry says it's important to consider who someone else may be interacting with and how that might affect the risk of transmission.
The goal of B.C.'s reopening plan, according to public health officials, is to allow for a return to about 60 per cent of normal interactions, without causing a surge in infections.
"It won't be the flipping of a switch. We'll be proceeding carefully bit by bit, one step at a time," Premier John Horgan said.
"If we lose this discipline, everything we've worked towards will be lost."
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: cc on May 06, 2020, 09:28:29 PM
Post by: cc on May 06, 2020, 09:28:29 PM
Our, BC,s, situation (in effect numbers) are the best I can find anywhere. Whatever the reason, BC is doing it well and is opening slowly.
Let's keep and eye on things and hope it is reasonably successful .. and does not simply undo all that we did right in the beginning and put us in the place the rest of the world is in
I'm cautiously optimistic .. So far Bonnie & Co have beat the world
We got killer hornets now...Jumanji is just getting started....Quote from: "Berry Sweet"
I would rather get infected by the coronavirus than get stung by two or three of them.
As you likely know, they first appeared in our area
I captured and have 3 in a jar. Do you want me to airmail them to you overnight?
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2020, 03:00:46 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2020, 03:00:46 AM
There will be a second wave until we get a consistent treatment or vaccine. We gonna delay surgeries again and keep people on poverty benefits. That aint winning. I do not have a solution, I am just pointing out that what BC has done is hardly anything to celebrate.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2020, 06:30:09 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2020, 06:30:09 AM
I have a feeling this was a pyhrric victory.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: cc on May 07, 2020, 01:27:00 PM
Post by: cc on May 07, 2020, 01:27:00 PM
I really don't know exactly why we did so good so far. To my knowledge, we did little if anything different than others. Maybe more discipline? Dunno.
I expect our numbers to take off very rapidly. They will be keeping a close eye on hospital beds
Our Care Home situation is excellent at moment .. Discipline over staff has been very good ... but I expect the results of that will dilute once we open things up.
It will be nice to see things moving so long as we can keep them moving
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2020, 01:53:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2020, 01:53:17 PM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2020, 10:47:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2020, 10:47:35 PM
Florida hospitals not overwhelmed, ready to resume elective procedures MondayQuotehttps://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/05/03/desanits-florida-hospitals-not-overwhelmed-ready-to-resume-elective-procedures-starting-monday/
Iowa's health care system is not overwhelmed. Why is our economy still closed?Quote
We are no longer flattening the curve; we are flattening our state and nation.https://www.thegazette.com/subject/opinion/guest-columnist/iowas-health-care-system-is-not-overwhelmed-why-is-our-economy-still-closed-20200505
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2020, 12:01:22 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2020, 12:01:22 AM
The harm outweighs the good.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2020, 10:49:29 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2020, 10:49:29 AM
There is nothing conformed yet, but Premier Kenney and our public health chief are giving that indication.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2020, 11:15:24 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2020, 11:15:24 AM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2020, 03:45:16 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2020, 03:45:16 PM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Vancouver on May 13, 2020, 03:57:59 AM
Post by: Vancouver on May 13, 2020, 03:57:59 AM
Here in BC we will rise above all and pave the way to a new and better future. Only 7 new confirmed cases and 1 new death yesterday. Starting this long weekend we can have social gatherings of up to 6 people. I can't believe Alberta allowed gatherings of up to 15 people this whole time. We BCers emerge to a new beginning.It is. All are. No matter what one does there are no outright victories in this whole thing ... just different and highly variable shades of lossQuote from: "cc"
I really don't know exactly why we did so good so far. To my knowledge, we did little if anything different than others. Maybe more discipline? Dunno.
I expect our numbers to take off very rapidly. They will be keeping a close eye on hospital beds
Our Care Home situation is excellent at moment .. Discipline over staff has been very good ... but I expect the results of that will dilute once we open things up.
It will be nice to see things moving so long as we can keep them moving
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 11:26:38 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 11:26:38 AM
It is. All are. No matter what one does there are no outright victories in this whole thing ... just different and highly variable shades of lossQuote from: "cc"
I really don't know exactly why we did so good so far. To my knowledge, we did little if anything different than others. Maybe more discipline? Dunno.
I expect our numbers to take off very rapidly. They will be keeping a close eye on hospital beds
Our Care Home situation is excellent at moment .. Discipline over staff has been very good ... but I expect the results of that will dilute once we open things up.
It will be nice to see things moving so long as we can keep them moving
What difference does gatherings of fifteen or six make?
People are going to ignore government rules anyway..
People are social creatures and young people don't care what rules the government makes about what they do in their own homes..
Oh, and Alberta is testing far more people than BC....your real rate of infection is far higher than what your government says it is.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 11:54:59 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 11:54:59 AM
It is. All are. No matter what one does there are no outright victories in this whole thing ... just different and highly variable shades of lossQuote from: "cc"
I really don't know exactly why we did so good so far. To my knowledge, we did little if anything different than others. Maybe more discipline? Dunno.
I expect our numbers to take off very rapidly. They will be keeping a close eye on hospital beds
Our Care Home situation is excellent at moment .. Discipline over staff has been very good ... but I expect the results of that will dilute once we open things up.
It will be nice to see things moving so long as we can keep them moving
You destroyed your economy, you cancelled surgeries causing deaths and you added massive amounts of debt. History will decide if these lock down were effective or a disaster. But, let's not pretend they don't serious consequences.
And by they way, Quebec did not allow any gatherings and they have over fifty per cent of the coronavirus cases in Canada.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 12:31:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 12:31:57 PM
It is. All are. No matter what one does there are no outright victories in this whole thing ... just different and highly variable shades of lossQuote from: "cc"
I really don't know exactly why we did so good so far. To my knowledge, we did little if anything different than others. Maybe more discipline? Dunno.
I expect our numbers to take off very rapidly. They will be keeping a close eye on hospital beds
Our Care Home situation is excellent at moment .. Discipline over staff has been very good ... but I expect the results of that will dilute once we open things up.
It will be nice to see things moving so long as we can keep them moving
You destroyed your economy, you cancelled surgeries causing deaths and you added massive amounts of debt. History will decide if these lock down were effective or a disaster. But, let's not pretend they don't serious consequences.
And by they way, Quebec did not allow any gatherings and they have over fifty per cent of the coronavirus cases in Canada.
The rationale for lock downs was not to overwhelm hospitals..
That has not happened anywhere in Canada, including hard hit Montreal..
We have flattened the curve, but continuation of this madness is flattening the economy.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 03:33:58 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 03:33:58 PM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Vancouver on May 13, 2020, 07:14:54 PM
Post by: Vancouver on May 13, 2020, 07:14:54 PM
That's debatable.
People are going to ignore government rules anyway..
People are social creatures and young people don't care what rules the government makes about what they do in their own homes..
Oh, and Alberta is testing far more people than BC....your real rate of infection is far higher than what your government says it is.
Once we open up it will be a celebration of life in the most glorious way.
Sacrifice for the greater good. They did not die in vein. In time we will see.
You destroyed your economy, you cancelled surgeries causing deaths and you added massive amounts of debt. History will decide if these lock down were effective or a disaster. But, let's not pretend they don't serious consequences.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 07:28:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 07:28:29 PM
You destroyed your economy, you cancelled surgeries causing deaths and you added massive amounts of debt. History will decide if these lock down were effective or a disaster. But, let's not pretend they don't serious consequences.
The curve is flat enough for fuck sakes. We never overwhelmed our hospitals like what was predicted. That was the reason for these idiotic lock downs.
It's a virus with no vaccine. A second wave is coming and we still haven't built up herd immunity among healthy people. All we are doing with continued lock downs is causing unnecessary hardship. Not to mention killing people by cancelling surgeries.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Vancouver on May 13, 2020, 07:38:35 PM
Post by: Vancouver on May 13, 2020, 07:38:35 PM
It's a virus with no vaccine. A second wave is coming and we still haven't built up herd immunity among healthy people. All we are doing with continued lock downs is causing unnecessary hardship. Not to mention killing people by cancelling surgeries.
The virus is just a lie. We are safe. Soon I will be going to the bar with friends and have an iced cold root beer, do some fist pumps, and laugh at people who are still wearing face mask.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 07:45:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 07:45:17 PM
How high does the number climb if you include projections for all deaths caused by the postponement of the treatment of all serious ailments in every province? How high does it get if you go even further and include the number of suicides and heart attacks related to the economic and social pressures of the lockdown?
If the number of deaths that occur as a result of the lockdowns comes anywhere close to matching the number of direct COVID-19 deaths, doesn't that tell us that the lockdowns themselves are a serious harm to public health?
But that FAO report appears to have answered that question. They found that, as of April 23, there were 9,345 empty acute-care beds and 2,191 empty critical care beds across Ontario, which is Canada's second hardest hit province.
We were originally told that the point of the lockdown was to guarantee we don't overwhelm the health care system. We haven't.
So what's the hold up on safely re-opening the Canadian economy? The secondary harms are getting worse by the day.
For millions of young people, coronavirus restrictions have made access to food, water and shelter even more precarious
The UN agency predicts that up to 265 million people face "acute food insecurity" as COVID-19 lock downs ramp up in poor countries south of the equator.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 08:05:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 08:05:05 PM
It's a virus with no vaccine. A second wave is coming and we still haven't built up herd immunity among healthy people. All we are doing with continued lock downs is causing unnecessary hardship. Not to mention killing people by cancelling surgeries.
The virus is just a lie. We are safe. Soon I will be going to the bar with friends and have an iced cold root beer, do some fist pumps, and laugh at people who are still wearing face mask.
That isn't a response to my post. It's a deflection.
How many millions of people around the world will die from starvation, cancelled surgeries, untreated illnesses, and suicide because healthy, but paranoid 'men' like you are afraid to get a week of dry cough. Poverty kills far more people than viruses do.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 10:22:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 10:22:54 PM
Unicef warns lockdown could kill more than Covid-19 as model predicts 1.2 million child deathsQuote
'Indiscriminate lockdowns' are an ineffective way to control Covid and could contribute to a 45 per cent rise in child mortality
According to a stark report published in Lancet Global Health journal on Wednesday, almost 1.2 million children could die in the next six months due to the disruption to health services and food supplies caused by the coronavirus pandemic.
The modelling, by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Unicef, found that child mortality rates could rise by as much as 45 per cent due to coronavirus-related disruptions, while maternal deaths could increase by almost 39 per cent.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/unicef-warns-lockdown-could-kill-covid-19-model-predicts-12/
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 10:55:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 10:55:09 PM
Millions of dead kids due to these insane lock downs. I suppose Teenie Weenie thinks that's all a lie or he just doesn't give a fuck.Quote from: "Shen Li"Unicef warns lockdown could kill more than Covid-19 as model predicts 1.2 million child deathsQuote
'Indiscriminate lockdowns' are an ineffective way to control Covid and could contribute to a 45 per cent rise in child mortality
According to a stark report published in Lancet Global Health journal on Wednesday, almost 1.2 million children could die in the next six months due to the disruption to health services and food supplies caused by the coronavirus pandemic.
The modelling, by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Unicef, found that child mortality rates could rise by as much as 45 per cent due to coronavirus-related disruptions, while maternal deaths could increase by almost 39 per cent.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/unicef-warns-lockdown-could-kill-covid-19-model-predicts-12/
He has about a 99.7 per cent chance of making a full recovery if he caught the coronavirus. Cancelling cancer treatments or cardiac surgery means death.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Oak on May 13, 2020, 11:15:41 PM
Post by: Oak on May 13, 2020, 11:15:41 PM
Millions of dead kids due to these insane lock downs. I suppose Teenie Weenie thinks that's all a lie or he just doesn't give a fuck.Quote from: "Shen Li"Unicef warns lockdown could kill more than Covid-19 as model predicts 1.2 million child deathsQuote
'Indiscriminate lockdowns' are an ineffective way to control Covid and could contribute to a 45 per cent rise in child mortality
According to a stark report published in Lancet Global Health journal on Wednesday, almost 1.2 million children could die in the next six months due to the disruption to health services and food supplies caused by the coronavirus pandemic.
The modelling, by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Unicef, found that child mortality rates could rise by as much as 45 per cent due to coronavirus-related disruptions, while maternal deaths could increase by almost 39 per cent.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/unicef-warns-lockdown-could-kill-covid-19-model-predicts-12/
Since when do you believe "lefty globalist" sources?
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 11:20:40 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2020, 11:20:40 PM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2020, 06:10:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2020, 06:10:06 PM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Gaon on May 14, 2020, 08:44:56 PM
Post by: Gaon on May 14, 2020, 08:44:56 PM
Research shows that joblessness, poverty, and isolation kill large numbers of people in every country in the world.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"https://academic.oup.com/qje/article-abstract/124/3/1265/1905153?redirectedFrom=fulltext
Of course. Did countries think they could destroy people's, and turn hospitals into coughing factories without consequences.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2020, 10:20:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2020, 10:20:25 PM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2020, 11:54:25 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2020, 11:54:25 AM
OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has been "shifting the goalposts" in justifying the lockdowns over COVID-19, while portraying as "selfish" any hopes to reopen an increasingly damaged economy, a coalition of health experts and business executives say.Quote
The Macdonald-Laurier Institute released the letter, dated May 14 and co-signed by several business and health leaders, which said "the Liberal government has presented social distancing measures as a stark choice — either selflessly shut down the economy to save lives or selfishly worry about the economy and condemn thousands to a vicious illness."
But that approach oversimplifies the decision facing governments, and "is being pursued at an almost incalculably large cost to the well-being of Canadians," according to the letter, which was co-signed by 24 health professionals and business executives.
"It's becoming clearer and clearer that the fear we experienced at the beginning, when we knew so little about the virus, is exaggerated," said Brian Lee Crowley, managing director of MLI. "We can rein that back now."
But the letter stresses that economic considerations should not merely be dismissed as callous, particularly in the face of evidence suggesting that the economic shock has taken a heavy toll on people's mental and physical health, not to mention a rise in domestic abuse and other forms of violence.
Further complicating the issue, the letter says, thresholds for a return to normal continue to shift. Ottawa has declined to endorse the re-opening of the economy even as hospitals remain well below capacity — the metric that was initially used to justify the restrictions.
"The rationale for the lockdown seems to have morphed subtly from managing the outbreak by 'flattening the curve' to preventing the illness from infecting Canadians at all, pushing the timeline for a return to some economic activity into the summer and a return to 'normal' a year or more into the distance," the letter said.
Dr. Neil Rau, an infectious diseases specialist and medical microbiologist in Oakville, Ont., said there is a "growing chorus" of medical professionals beginning to question strict lockdowns that have carried on for months.
"More people are taking the view that the risk-benefit calculation here, where you avert the risk of transmission in return for suppressing the economy, that it's not a worthwhile sacrifice," said Rau, who was not a signatory to the letterhttps://nationalpost.com/news/business-and-health-leaders-accuse-trudeau-of-shifting-the-goalposts-for-reopening-economy
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2020, 03:00:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2020, 03:00:28 PM
As the economic and health costs of these idiotic lock downs continue to rise, a growing chorus of health experts are saying enough is enough.Quote from: "Shen Li"OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has been "shifting the goalposts" in justifying the lockdowns over COVID-19, while portraying as "selfish" any hopes to reopen an increasingly damaged economy, a coalition of health experts and business executives say.Quote
The Macdonald-Laurier Institute released the letter, dated May 14 and co-signed by several business and health leaders, which said "the Liberal government has presented social distancing measures as a stark choice — either selflessly shut down the economy to save lives or selfishly worry about the economy and condemn thousands to a vicious illness."
But that approach oversimplifies the decision facing governments, and "is being pursued at an almost incalculably large cost to the well-being of Canadians," according to the letter, which was co-signed by 24 health professionals and business executives.
"It's becoming clearer and clearer that the fear we experienced at the beginning, when we knew so little about the virus, is exaggerated," said Brian Lee Crowley, managing director of MLI. "We can rein that back now."
But the letter stresses that economic considerations should not merely be dismissed as callous, particularly in the face of evidence suggesting that the economic shock has taken a heavy toll on people's mental and physical health, not to mention a rise in domestic abuse and other forms of violence.
Further complicating the issue, the letter says, thresholds for a return to normal continue to shift. Ottawa has declined to endorse the re-opening of the economy even as hospitals remain well below capacity — the metric that was initially used to justify the restrictions.
"The rationale for the lockdown seems to have morphed subtly from managing the outbreak by 'flattening the curve' to preventing the illness from infecting Canadians at all, pushing the timeline for a return to some economic activity into the summer and a return to 'normal' a year or more into the distance," the letter said.
Dr. Neil Rau, an infectious diseases specialist and medical microbiologist in Oakville, Ont., said there is a "growing chorus" of medical professionals beginning to question strict lockdowns that have carried on for months.
"More people are taking the view that the risk-benefit calculation here, where you avert the risk of transmission in return for suppressing the economy, that it's not a worthwhile sacrifice," said Rau, who was not a signatory to the letterhttps://nationalpost.com/news/business-and-health-leaders-accuse-trudeau-of-shifting-the-goalposts-for-reopening-economy
The reason for lock downs in Canada was to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed..
Since that never happened, there really isn't any reason to continue with all the unnecessary pain lock downs cause.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2020, 03:20:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2020, 03:20:06 PM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2020, 01:28:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2020, 01:28:06 PM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Gaon on May 17, 2020, 08:25:07 PM
Post by: Gaon on May 17, 2020, 08:25:07 PM
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Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2020, 05:19:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2020, 05:19:12 PM
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This could have gone in the Hypocrisy thread.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2020, 11:16:20 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2020, 11:16:20 AM
TORONTO — Ontarians will not be allowed to dine in bars and restaurants, gather in groups larger than five or use playground equipment until at least mid-June.
The provincial government says it is extending its COVID-19 emergency orders until June 9.
They were last extended on May 19 and were set to expire May 29.
The orders include the closure of child care centres, libraries except for pick-up and delivery, theatres, and bars and restaurants except to provide take-out or delivery.
I will have to wait another two weeks before I can walk to my favourite sports bars on Dunlop Street for a pint of draft.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2020, 01:39:49 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2020, 01:39:49 AM
And it seems our premier will not return this province to lock downs..
Alberta will quarantine vulnerable groups, but not healthy people.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Thiel on May 30, 2020, 03:22:19 PM
Post by: Thiel on May 30, 2020, 03:22:19 PM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 01:37:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 01:37:06 PM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 01:37:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 01:37:06 PM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 02:11:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 02:11:53 PM
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That says it right there. At least your premier is ruling out further lock downs.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 09:13:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 09:13:18 PM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 09:58:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 09:58:27 PM
I read that schools in BC reopen tomorrow.
They may not even reopen by September here in Manitoba.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 10:05:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 10:05:48 PM
I read that schools in BC reopen tomorrow.
They may not even reopen by September here in Manitoba.
Schools may reopen with stage two, but realistically there will be no K-12 school until September.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2020, 09:18:37 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2020, 09:18:37 AM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2020, 08:02:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2020, 08:02:02 PM
While some people may not feel comfortable going outside of their homes, we shouldn't force that restriction on millions of other Americans who need to work or seek important medical care. Canadians should be free to make their own decisions regarding their safety, but that won't happen unless we speak out and send our leaders a message.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on June 03, 2020, 09:22:29 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 03, 2020, 09:22:29 AM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Vancouver on June 08, 2020, 02:00:33 PM
Post by: Vancouver on June 08, 2020, 02:00:33 PM
Comments come as B.C.'s city with highest number of Chinese reports lowest infection rates on Lower Mainland
The Chinese community's early efforts to stop the spread of COVID-19 in B.C. appear to have paid off, despite some of its members being stigmatized because of the virus, say infectious disease doctors.
Data recently released by the province shows Richmond, B.C., the city with the highest concentration of Chinese residents in the province, as having the lowest percentage of cases on the Lower Mainland, where the bulk of B.C.'s cases reside.
According to the latest census, 54.4 per cent of Richmond residents identify as having a Chinese background. B.C's latest COVID-19 geographic data shows the city has had the lowest percentage of cases, with just 444 per million residents, compared to 832 in Vancouver.
There have also been no new active cases in Richmond since May 18. It's the only part of the Lower Mainland where that is the case.
"Whether that is a direct impact of early distancing and early aggressive manoeuvres on behalf of the [Chinese] community, it's impossible to say but clearly there is an association there," says Dr. Srinivas Murthy, co-chair of the World Health Organization's clinical research committee on COVID-19.
UBC infectious diseases specialist, Dr. Peter Phillips said the "evidence is pretty clear" that the community "showed great leadership." Many members of the community adopted measures such as self-isolation and face masks before they were mandated.
Phillips points to other regions around the world with large Chinese communities as examples of similar success.
In Prato, which is home to Italy's largest Chinese population, at 25 per cent, health officials credit the community for bringing down the town's infection rate to half the Italian average after many Chinese residents voluntarily isolated themselves weeks before authorities mandated it.
As of the end of March, a top state health official for the area said no Chinese resident there had contracted the virus.
In B.C., Ian Young, the South China Morning Post's Vancouver correspondent, noted the early, self-imposed measures by the Chinese community.
In February, when health authorities said the province's risk for transmission was still low, he pointed out that popular Chinese malls like Richmond's Aberdeen Centre were already sitting empty.
A mall representative who spoke to CBC News at the time said business had dropped by 30 per cent and nearby restaurants were down about 50 per cent as the community chose to stay home.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on June 08, 2020, 04:51:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 08, 2020, 04:51:17 PM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2020, 03:16:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2020, 03:16:46 PM
It would be hard for officials to demand everyone else stay home after letting such large gatherings go ahead.
Meanwhile, one thousand physicians in Quebec have signed an open letter to their government calling for the restrictions to be eased on children.
"The healthy development of children involves fostering relationships, playing with other children, bonding with educators, etc. We are very concerned these measures will have a negative impact on the physical and mental health of children and adolescents," Dr. Suzanne Vaillancourt, associate director of pediatric emergency medicine at the Montreal Children's Hospital, and one of the lead authors of the open letter, told the Montreal Gazette on Sunday.
These are important points. There are negative health consequences to letting the restrictions stick around for longer than is necessary.
The good news is Canadians across the country all now starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2020, 04:43:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2020, 04:43:26 PM
Hopefully, K-12 schools will resume in September.
Kenney said Stage 2 involves the reopening of several businesses and organizations, including public libraries, wellness services, most personal services, movie theatres, community halls and sports teams.
K-12 schools will also be able to reopen for diploma exams and summer schools.
Kenney also noted that participation numbers for indoor gatherings, including weddings and funerals have been raised to 50 people, as long as physical distancing is maintained.
"Outdoor events and indoor seated meetings, plus entertainment and sport, conferencing and public events, can have up to 100 people," Kenney added.
Some activities originally planned for Stage 3 of the relaunch have also been moved forward to be incorporated in Stage 2, including indoor recreation, fitness and sports facilities which includes gyms and pools, Kenney announced on Tuesday.
"Friends and families from different households can choose to form cohorts of up to 15 people," Alberta's chief medical officer of health Dr. Deena Hinshaw added.
A cohort group is a small group of people whose members do not always keep two metres apart. However, Alberta Health says everyone is encouraged to follow public health guidelines and notify others in the cohort if they have symptoms or test positive for COVID-19. If they do test positive or have symptoms, mandatory isolation is required.
"We have made it to Stage 2 earlier than expected because we remained vigilant."
The 50 per cent capacity limit for restaurants, bars, lounges and cafes will also been lifted in Stage 2, however, these facilities will still have a limit of six people per table, Kenney said.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2020, 06:50:16 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2020, 06:50:16 PM
The 50 per cent capacity limit for restaurants, bars, lounges and cafes will also been lifted in Stage 2, however, these facilities will still have a limit of six people per tableQuote
That is good news. I read that restaurants across Canada are losing money and in danger of closing with the fifty per cent capacity rule.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Vancouver on June 09, 2020, 08:55:10 PM
Post by: Vancouver on June 09, 2020, 08:55:10 PM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2020, 09:49:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2020, 09:49:59 PM
Today I had lunch at a big restaurant with my family. Had to go through temperature check. There was this computer that scanned my face. I was standing a foot away. Not sure how it read my temperature.
It's not a requirement though?
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2020, 11:03:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2020, 11:03:47 PM
Today I had lunch at a big restaurant with my family. Had to go through temperature check. There was this computer that scanned my face. I was standing a foot away. Not sure how it read my temperature.
It's not a requirement though?
Maybe for employees, but not customers.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: cc on June 09, 2020, 11:22:01 PM
Post by: cc on June 09, 2020, 11:22:01 PM
It's not 100 as can take days to become symptomatic, but what's to lose?
Did they give you a choice Vancouver?
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2020, 11:29:01 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2020, 11:29:01 PM
I think that's good. Temp check for everyone is simple quick and not a bad idea.
It's not 100 as can take days to become symptomatic, but what's to lose?
Did they give you a choice Vancouver?
Have you went out for a meal since they opened restaurants ceec?
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: cc on June 09, 2020, 11:42:00 PM
Post by: cc on June 09, 2020, 11:42:00 PM
I'm paranoid because of having had severe pneumonia just as this was about to start here. Been in serious "protect" mode.
Sad as a lazy meal @ our favorite spot is one of our favorite times ... used to do about 2 x / week. Good together time
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2020, 09:19:34 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2020, 09:19:34 AM
No.
I'm paranoid because of having had severe pneumonia just as this was about to start here. Been in serious "protect" mode.
Sad as a lazy meal @ our favorite spot is one of our favorite times ... used to do about 2 x / week. Good together time
The first day they opened restaurants in Calgary, we went out for ramen.
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2020, 11:25:56 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2020, 11:25:56 PM
The Worldwide Lockdown May Be the Greatest Mistake in HistoryQuote
THE UNITED NATIONS WORLD FOOD PROGRAM (WFP) STATES THAT BY THE END OF THE YEAR, MORE THAN 260 MILLION PEOPLE WILL FACE STARVATION — DOUBLE LAST YEAR'S FIGURES.
The forcible prevention of Americans from doing anything except what politicians deem "essential" has led to the worst economy in American history since the Great Depression of the 1930s. It is panic and hysteria, not the coronavirus that created this catastrophe. And the consequences in much of the world will be more horrible than in the United States.
The United Nations World Food Program (WFP) states that by the end of the year, more than 260 million people will face starvation — double last year's figures. According to WFP Director David Beasley on April 21: "We could be looking at famine in about three-dozen countries ... There is also a real danger that more people could potentially die from the economic impact of COVID-19 than from the virus itself" (italics added).
That would be enough to characterize the worldwide lockdown as a deathly error. But there is much more. If global gross domestic product (GDP) declines by 5%, another 147 million people could be plunged into extreme poverty, according to the International Food Policy Research Institute.
Foreign Policy magazine reports that, according to the International Monetary Fund, the global economy will shrink by 3% in 2020, marking the biggest downturn since the Great Depression, and the U.S., the eurozone and Japan will contract by 5.9%, 7.5% and 5.2%, respectively. Meanwhile, across South Asia, as of a month ago, tens of millions already were "struggling to put food on the table." Again, all because of the lockdowns, not the virus.
In one particularly incomprehensible act, the government of India, a poor country of 1.3 billion people, locked down its people. As Quartz India reported on April 22, "Coronavirus has killed only around 700 Indians ... a small number still compared to the 450,000 TB (tuberculosis) and 10,000-odd malaria deaths recorded every year."
The lockdown is "possibly even more catastrophic (than the virus) in its outcome: the collapse of global food-supply systems and widespread human starvation" (italics added). That was published in the left-wing The Nation, which, nevertheless, enthusiastically supports lockdowns. But the American left cares as much about the millions of non-Americans reduced to hunger and starvation because of the lockdown as it does about the people of upstate New York who have no income, despite the minuscule number of coronavirus deaths there. Or about the citizens of Oregon, whose governor recently announced the state will remain locked down until July 6. As of this writing, a total of 109 people have died of the coronavirus in Oregon.
An example of how disinterested the left is in worldwide suffering is made abundantly clear in a front-page "prayer" by a left-wing Christian in the current issue of The Nation: "May we who are merely inconvenienced remember those whose lives are at stake."
"Merely inconvenienced" is how Rev. William J. Barber II, a Protestant minister and president of the North Carolina National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) describes the tens of millions of Americans rendered destitute, not to mention the hundreds of millions around the world rendered not only penniless but hungry. The truth is, like most of the elites, it is Barber who is "merely inconvenienced." Indeed, the American battle today is between the merely inconvenienced and the rest of America.
Michael Levitt, professor of structural biology at Stanford Medical School and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize in chemistry, recently stated, "There is no doubt in my mind that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor."https://jewishjournal.com/commentary/columnist/315249/the-worldwide-lockdown-may-be-the-greatest-mistake-in-history/?fbclid=IwAR1YlwEsF55SlUEPO9ebeX537A2Bkc2pK6LCxKNQ1Dxe7X7NAlcaM6MAl-E
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2020, 11:28:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2020, 11:28:32 PM
Title: Re: We achieved our goal with the lockdowns
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2020, 11:43:01 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2020, 11:43:01 PM
History will judge the global lock downs as one of the most disastrous decisions ever made by govertnments.The Worldwide Lockdown May Be the Greatest Mistake in HistoryQuote
THE UNITED NATIONS WORLD FOOD PROGRAM (WFP) STATES THAT BY THE END OF THE YEAR, MORE THAN 260 MILLION PEOPLE WILL FACE STARVATION — DOUBLE LAST YEAR'S FIGURES.
The forcible prevention of Americans from doing anything except what politicians deem "essential" has led to the worst economy in American history since the Great Depression of the 1930s. It is panic and hysteria, not the coronavirus that created this catastrophe. And the consequences in much of the world will be more horrible than in the United States.
The United Nations World Food Program (WFP) states that by the end of the year, more than 260 million people will face starvation — double last year's figures. According to WFP Director David Beasley on April 21: "We could be looking at famine in about three-dozen countries ... There is also a real danger that more people could potentially die from the economic impact of COVID-19 than from the virus itself" (italics added).
That would be enough to characterize the worldwide lockdown as a deathly error. But there is much more. If global gross domestic product (GDP) declines by 5%, another 147 million people could be plunged into extreme poverty, according to the International Food Policy Research Institute.
Foreign Policy magazine reports that, according to the International Monetary Fund, the global economy will shrink by 3% in 2020, marking the biggest downturn since the Great Depression, and the U.S., the eurozone and Japan will contract by 5.9%, 7.5% and 5.2%, respectively. Meanwhile, across South Asia, as of a month ago, tens of millions already were "struggling to put food on the table." Again, all because of the lockdowns, not the virus.
In one particularly incomprehensible act, the government of India, a poor country of 1.3 billion people, locked down its people. As Quartz India reported on April 22, "Coronavirus has killed only around 700 Indians ... a small number still compared to the 450,000 TB (tuberculosis) and 10,000-odd malaria deaths recorded every year."
The lockdown is "possibly even more catastrophic (than the virus) in its outcome: the collapse of global food-supply systems and widespread human starvation" (italics added). That was published in the left-wing The Nation, which, nevertheless, enthusiastically supports lockdowns. But the American left cares as much about the millions of non-Americans reduced to hunger and starvation because of the lockdown as it does about the people of upstate New York who have no income, despite the minuscule number of coronavirus deaths there. Or about the citizens of Oregon, whose governor recently announced the state will remain locked down until July 6. As of this writing, a total of 109 people have died of the coronavirus in Oregon.
An example of how disinterested the left is in worldwide suffering is made abundantly clear in a front-page "prayer" by a left-wing Christian in the current issue of The Nation: "May we who are merely inconvenienced remember those whose lives are at stake."
"Merely inconvenienced" is how Rev. William J. Barber II, a Protestant minister and president of the North Carolina National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) describes the tens of millions of Americans rendered destitute, not to mention the hundreds of millions around the world rendered not only penniless but hungry. The truth is, like most of the elites, it is Barber who is "merely inconvenienced." Indeed, the American battle today is between the merely inconvenienced and the rest of America.
Michael Levitt, professor of structural biology at Stanford Medical School and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize in chemistry, recently stated, "There is no doubt in my mind that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor."https://jewishjournal.com/commentary/columnist/315249/the-worldwide-lockdown-may-be-the-greatest-mistake-in-history/?fbclid=IwAR1YlwEsF55SlUEPO9ebeX537A2Bkc2pK6LCxKNQ1Dxe7X7NAlcaM6MAl-E
At first, I accepted that lock downs were necessary, but after seeing the devastation they've caused, I no longer do.