Title: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2020, 04:15:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2020, 04:15:18 PM
Herd-Immunity is an inevitable consequence of the Covid-19 pandemic. In the absence of a vaccine and if environmental or climate related factors are not influential upon reducing spread of the virus, Herd-Immunity is the only viable means of eradication.Quote
At present there is no vaccine available for Covid-19. The absence of a vaccine has greatly contributed to the 'pandemic of panic', in respect of the virus. It is commonly believed that this means there is no 'cure' for the virus.
There is however an entirely inevitable and 'natural cure' for the virus. The fact is, that 80-90% of those infected will by all accounts experience nothing more than symptoms generally associated with a standard 'cold' or 'flu'. There is no 'cure' for Covid-19, in the same sense that there is no 'cure' for the 'common cold'. The cure for both conditions lies in the reality that infection is not dangerous for the vast majority of victims. Following an infection, the significant majority who survive, are expected to remain immune to (the same) virus for quite some time. This is the same reality for cases of the 'common cold' and seasonal 'Flu'.
'Herd-Immunity' is not the enemy, it is a natural and inevitable part of the process. Once some 60-70% of a population have been infected and recover, existing infections are unlikely to spread within that population. On each occasion that an infected individual meets another person in the community, the virus has a significantly reduced opportunity to spread. When a newly encountered 'potential host' is in fact immune to the virus (by virtue of that he or she has fully recovered). Spread, becomes increasingly difficult, and the virus eventually expires. Unfortunately, this type of immunity is contingent upon the fact that the original viral infection is the same virus; that the virus itself has not mutated and can therefore re-infect the initial host for a second time.https://gript.ie/covid-19-mismanagement-in-ireland/
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19
Post by: Odinson on May 17, 2020, 04:27:55 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 17, 2020, 04:27:55 PM
I´ve heard the total opposite.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2020, 05:10:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2020, 05:10:53 PM
Has it been confirmed that you actually develop immunity to this thing..Quote from: "Odinson"
I´ve heard the total opposite.
Yes, but for how long we don't know. The scientific consensus is that testing is the issue with patients being incorrectly told they were free of the virus.
The new coronavirus, called Sars-CoV-2, has not been around long enough to know how long immunity lasts, but there are six other human coronaviruses that can give a clue.Quote
Four produce the symptoms of the common cold and immunity is short-lived. Studies showed some patients could be re-infected within a year.
But the common cold is generally mild. There are two more troublesome coronaviruses - the ones that cause Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (Sars) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (Mers) - in which antibodies have been detected a few years later.
"The question is not whether you become immune, it's how long for," said Paul Hunter, a professor in medicine at the University of East Anglia.https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52446965
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: cc on May 17, 2020, 05:39:04 PM
Post by: cc on May 17, 2020, 05:39:04 PM
Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (Sars) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (Mers) - in which antibodies have been detected a few years later.Quote
That's encouraging to an extent .. to the extent that this one does likewise
Seems despite HUGE effort by science, we still know so little about the specifics of this one
So little known = impossible to know best ways to move in all directions
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2020, 06:55:58 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2020, 06:55:58 PM
By Dr Marcus De BrunQuote from: "Shen Li"Herd-Immunity is an inevitable consequence of the Covid-19 pandemic. In the absence of a vaccine and if environmental or climate related factors are not influential upon reducing spread of the virus, Herd-Immunity is the only viable means of eradication.Quote
At present there is no vaccine available for Covid-19. The absence of a vaccine has greatly contributed to the 'pandemic of panic', in respect of the virus. It is commonly believed that this means there is no 'cure' for the virus.
There is however an entirely inevitable and 'natural cure' for the virus. The fact is, that 80-90% of those infected will by all accounts experience nothing more than symptoms generally associated with a standard 'cold' or 'flu'. There is no 'cure' for Covid-19, in the same sense that there is no 'cure' for the 'common cold'. The cure for both conditions lies in the reality that infection is not dangerous for the vast majority of victims. Following an infection, the significant majority who survive, are expected to remain immune to (the same) virus for quite some time. This is the same reality for cases of the 'common cold' and seasonal 'Flu'.
'Herd-Immunity' is not the enemy, it is a natural and inevitable part of the process. Once some 60-70% of a population have been infected and recover, existing infections are unlikely to spread within that population. On each occasion that an infected individual meets another person in the community, the virus has a significantly reduced opportunity to spread. When a newly encountered 'potential host' is in fact immune to the virus (by virtue of that he or she has fully recovered). Spread, becomes increasingly difficult, and the virus eventually expires. Unfortunately, this type of immunity is contingent upon the fact that the original viral infection is the same virus; that the virus itself has not mutated and can therefore re-infect the initial host for a second time.https://gript.ie/covid-19-mismanagement-in-ireland/
You would get along with my boy. He is twenty nine and has no fear of catching this virus. In fact, he wants everybody that is healthy enough to catch it and get it over with.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Gaon on May 17, 2020, 08:09:17 PM
Post by: Gaon on May 17, 2020, 08:09:17 PM
By Dr Marcus De BrunQuote from: "Shen Li"Herd-Immunity is an inevitable consequence of the Covid-19 pandemic. In the absence of a vaccine and if environmental or climate related factors are not influential upon reducing spread of the virus, Herd-Immunity is the only viable means of eradication.Quote
At present there is no vaccine available for Covid-19. The absence of a vaccine has greatly contributed to the 'pandemic of panic', in respect of the virus. It is commonly believed that this means there is no 'cure' for the virus.
There is however an entirely inevitable and 'natural cure' for the virus. The fact is, that 80-90% of those infected will by all accounts experience nothing more than symptoms generally associated with a standard 'cold' or 'flu'. There is no 'cure' for Covid-19, in the same sense that there is no 'cure' for the 'common cold'. The cure for both conditions lies in the reality that infection is not dangerous for the vast majority of victims. Following an infection, the significant majority who survive, are expected to remain immune to (the same) virus for quite some time. This is the same reality for cases of the 'common cold' and seasonal 'Flu'.
'Herd-Immunity' is not the enemy, it is a natural and inevitable part of the process. Once some 60-70% of a population have been infected and recover, existing infections are unlikely to spread within that population. On each occasion that an infected individual meets another person in the community, the virus has a significantly reduced opportunity to spread. When a newly encountered 'potential host' is in fact immune to the virus (by virtue of that he or she has fully recovered). Spread, becomes increasingly difficult, and the virus eventually expires. Unfortunately, this type of immunity is contingent upon the fact that the original viral infection is the same virus; that the virus itself has not mutated and can therefore re-infect the initial host for a second time.https://gript.ie/covid-19-mismanagement-in-ireland/
Lock downs were meant to prevent overwhelming hospitals. Since that did not happen there is no reason to continue flattening the economy and people's lives.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2020, 09:27:01 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2020, 09:27:01 PM
Has it been confirmed that you actually develop immunity to this thing..Quote from: "Odinson"
I´ve heard the total opposite.
Yes, but for how long we don't know. The scientific consensus is that testing is the issue with patients being incorrectly told they were free of the virus.The new coronavirus, called Sars-CoV-2, has not been around long enough to know how long immunity lasts, but there are six other human coronaviruses that can give a clue.Quote
Four produce the symptoms of the common cold and immunity is short-lived. Studies showed some patients could be re-infected within a year.
But the common cold is generally mild. There are two more troublesome coronaviruses - the ones that cause Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (Sars) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (Mers) - in which antibodies have been detected a few years later.
"The question is not whether you become immune, it's how long for," said Paul Hunter, a professor in medicine at the University of East Anglia.https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52446965
Testing is not always one hundred per cent accurate.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 12:14:18 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 12:14:18 AM
"I think that probably 80% of the children have coronavirus. We are not testing children. I'm in New York City. I can't get my patients tested. And we have to assume, if they are sick, they have coronavirus. Most of them, probably 80 to 90% of them, are asymptomatic. So, these numbers are so skewed. I think that the mortality rate is way, way less than 0.5% for children who have it because it is so prevalent. You have to remember thousands of kids die from flu a year. This is much, much less virulent in children."
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: cc on May 18, 2020, 12:43:14 AM
Post by: cc on May 18, 2020, 12:43:14 AM
I'm not about to argue the claims as the person simply makes claims and guesses ... and puts forward absolutely zero science to support it
OK, this one is so far over the top I will address it - 80 % is absurd ... If it was above even a small % of that they would have infected parents, grandparents, aunts etc. .,. when in the real world still only a very small % of adults have had it ... It's absurd and does not fit the science / numbers etc.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 12:51:31 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 12:51:31 AM
I read that.Quote from: "cc"
I'm not about to argue the claims as the person simply makes claims and guesses ... and puts forward absolutely zero science to support it
OK, this one is so far over the top I will address it - 80 % is absurd ... If it was above even a small % they would have infected parents, grandparents, aunts etc. .,. when still only a very small % of adults have had it ... It's absurd and does not fit the science / numbers etc.
Precisely. Take that with buckets of salt handy.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: cc on May 18, 2020, 12:53:37 AM
Post by: cc on May 18, 2020, 12:53:37 AM
Thanks to that, the more we learn the less we know
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 05:15:29 AM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 05:15:29 AM
Lock downs were meant to prevent overwhelming hospitals. Since that did not happen there is no reason to continue flattening the economy and people's lives.
It happened on my continent... lets not forget that.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: kiebers on May 18, 2020, 08:23:48 AM
Post by: kiebers on May 18, 2020, 08:23:48 AM
Lock downs were meant to prevent overwhelming hospitals. Since that did not happen there is no reason to continue flattening the economy and people's lives.
It happened on my continent... lets not forget that.
Are you saying that Australian hospitals were overwhelmed?
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 10:35:32 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 10:35:32 AM
Lock downs were meant to prevent overwhelming hospitals. Since that did not happen there is no reason to continue flattening the economy and people's lives.
It happened on my continent... lets not forget that.
Are you saying that Australian hospitals were overwhelmed?
I read that there were predictions in late February and March that hospitals would be overwhelmed, but that never happened, just like in Canada..
I couldn't find the number of hospitalized, but ninety per cent of people in Australia who caught it, are officially recovered.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: kiebers on May 18, 2020, 10:44:05 AM
Post by: kiebers on May 18, 2020, 10:44:05 AM
I read that there were predictions in late February and March that hospitals would be overwhelmed, but that never happened, just like in Canada..
I couldn't find the number of hospitalized, but ninety per cent of people in Australia who caught it, are officially recovered.
Just trying to clarify which sentence she was talking about since they are different sides.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 04:16:34 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 04:16:34 PM
Lock downs were meant to prevent overwhelming hospitals. Since that did not happen there is no reason to continue flattening the economy and people's lives.
It happened on my continent... lets not forget that.
Are you saying that Australian hospitals were overwhelmed?
Lockdowns prevented this virus taking hold in our community.
Lockdowns WORK.
So far Australia has had 99 deaths only and most of those were off cruise ships.
Our hospitals are now fully equipped to handle an increase but we will not let that happen.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 04:37:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 04:37:57 PM
epidemiologists believe that this virus won't begin to disappear until a far higher percentage of the population — at least 60 percent — develops immunity. If that doesn't happen with a vaccine, it has to happen through exposure.Quote
For weeks, the most pressing policy challenge has been relieving the life-and-death pressure on our hospitals. But all that justifiable emphasis on flattening the curve may have created a dangerous illusion that we can get away with relatively small infection rates.
It's easy to forget that if a disease can't be contained — and it's too late for that in the COVID-19 pandemic — then there's only one possible ending to the story: We must collectively develop immunity to the disease. In lieu of a vaccine, that means most of us will need to be exposed to the virus, and some unknowably large number of us will die in the process.
Right now public policy needs to bake in the understanding that unless we plan on spending the year or more it'll take to widely distribute a vaccine sequestered in our homes without respite, we will need to immunize the state's population the hard way.
For instance, one of Lipsitch and Grad's findings is that the better we are at social distancing this spring, the worse the subsequent spikes become.
For instance, one of Lipsitch and Grad's findings is that the better we are at social distancing this spring, the worse the subsequent spikes become. In fact, a loose version of isolation that is less immediately effective might actually be preferable. Instead of trying to flatten the curve as much as possible now, Lipsitch and Grad's findings indicate that it would be preferable to have periods in which some of the population resumes normal social interactions followed by renewed suppression.
The study also found that more extensive distancing now could lead to sharper spikes in cases later.
Case in point, Grad said, is Singapore. Widely portrayed as a success story these past few months, the city-state has now issued a month-long lockdown. "They did a good job containing the disease initially," said Grad. "But what that did was ensure that most of the population was still susceptible, so now they're seeing a spike in infections." The lesson here is that without a vaccine, you can delay the pain, but you can't prevent it.
But once more widespread testing is in place and hospitals have the resources they need to treat COVID-19 patients, then we could switch gears and allow for more exposure than we are allowing now. "We can do this carefully and deliberately," Abuelezam said.https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/10/opinion/its-possible-flatten-curve-too-long/
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 04:44:17 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 04:44:17 PM
Both New Zealand and Australia have recorded 4 deaths per every million people... Canada is what...ummm, 155 dead per million. Embarrassing.
Lockdowns work.
It's why mainland China locked down at the beginning.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 04:52:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 04:52:46 PM
I forgot New Zealand...Quote from: "caskur"
Both New Zealand and Australia have recorded 4 deaths per every million people... Canada is what...ummm, 155 dead per million. Embarrassing.
Lockdowns work.
It's why mainland China locked down at the beginning.
China never locked down the whole country. Lock downs are very good at turning hospitals into places that offer surgeries and treatments to people who have real illnesses into places where people go in a panic because they have a cough. But, other than death and poverty, lock downs have done nothing to bring about immunity and that is the only thing that will stop the coronavirus.
Canada's COVID outbreak has been confined mostly to senior's centres in Quebec and Ontario. The type of places you isoolate while building herd immunity. Governments here too think delaying herd immunity a few months is winning.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 05:02:13 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 05:02:13 PM
Canada has been dumbed down.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: kiebers on May 18, 2020, 05:06:44 PM
Post by: kiebers on May 18, 2020, 05:06:44 PM
Lock downs were meant to prevent overwhelming hospitals. Since that did not happen there is no reason to continue flattening the economy and people's lives.
It happened on my continent... lets not forget that.
Are you saying that Australian hospitals were overwhelmed?
Lockdowns prevented this virus taking hold in our community.
Lockdowns WORK.
So far Australia has had 99 deaths only and most of those were off cruise ships.
Our hospitals are now fully equipped to handle an increase but we will not let that happen.
You can't really compare figures to the US or Canada. Australia's population is too small to be able to compare anything to the US. There are almost as many people in metropolitan New York as there are in Australia. You have no where near the population density in any city in your country and that plays a very big part in things. Your population density is about 8.5 per sq mi and ours is 10 times that. On top of that, you are an island continent. So, no way to compare Australia to the US or Canada. You are dealt a winning hand from the start.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 05:08:42 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 05:08:42 PM
They have not worked out this virus yet so you blubbering all over the forums about your flailing economy is crapolla!
But I guess you don't really have fellow feeling for the rest of mankind. You must have had a hard upbringing or something... But I will tell you what... it'll be a cold day in hell before we stop caring about EVERY life on our continent... it's not going to happen.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 05:15:02 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 05:15:02 PM
Lock downs were meant to prevent overwhelming hospitals. Since that did not happen there is no reason to continue flattening the economy and people's lives.
It happened on my continent... lets not forget that.
Are you saying that Australian hospitals were overwhelmed?
Lockdowns prevented this virus taking hold in our community.
Lockdowns WORK.
So far Australia has had 99 deaths only and most of those were off cruise ships.
Our hospitals are now fully equipped to handle an increase but we will not let that happen.
You can't really compare figures to the US or Canada. Australia's population is too small to be able to compare anything to the US. There are almost as many people in metropolitan New York as there are in Australia. You have no where near the population density in any city in your country and that plays a very big part in things. Your population density is about 8.5 per sq mi and ours is 10 times that. On top of that, you are an island continent. So, no way to compare Australia to the US or Canada. You are dealt a winning hand from the start.
Compare the USA pop to Canada...
USA has over 300 million and their death rate is 277 per Million
And Canada with population of 38 million wasn't it? You have 155 per million... your Canadian stats are much much worse than the USA.
Why?
Australia and New Zealand, both first world countries have 4 deaths per million... lockdowns work, simple as that.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: cc on May 18, 2020, 05:46:50 PM
Post by: cc on May 18, 2020, 05:46:50 PM
US - 4,668 cases for every Million people & 277 / m deaths
Canada has 2.069 cases for every Million people & 155 / m deaths
Your numbers are right - but
Canada has a case rate of somewhat less than 1/2 per of any number of people one chooses .. same for death rate
- BUT We are doing better than twice as good a job of prevention as the US
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 06:00:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 06:00:34 PM
Lock downs are not immunity and are only meant to buy time. Nobody expects any country or jurisdiction to continue with lock downs much longer. Besides the damage to economies and health care systems, there is not much point. They only delay the inevitable second wave that we know is coming in the fall and winter. Even countries that appear to have low rates of infection now could see that change quickly as what happened with Singapore.
Epidemiologists are not sure themselves what to do. They know this pandemic cannot be contained indefinitely. Growing global contagion is inevitable. Sweden could become the model for the world and for future pandemics. We don't yet. After the second wave hits the Northern hemisphere in late fall, we will have a better idea.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 06:01:22 PM
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 06:01:22 PM
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 06:13:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 06:13:45 PM
well.... looking at the ages of these ppl, it isn't even a mild threat till 50 and up.... old folks are cool and all but is it worth destroying your economy and crashing your way of life.... i mean really....Quote from: "deadskinmask"
I will be forty six near the end of this year. I had the coronavirus and recovered. My symptoms were worse than most, but it still only felt like influenza.
But, to answer your question, no, it probably isn't worth it. The lock down idea came from regions in China. Epidemiologists know it's a Band-Aid fix, but they're too scared to try even limited forms of immunity.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 06:17:41 PM
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 06:17:41 PM
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 06:22:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 06:22:13 PM
if lockdowns and masks were actuallyQuote from: "deadskinmask"achievinganything, don't you think the press conferences would be held on zoom from individual locations.... this is just a 'party trick' to see how many cov-idiots comply....
The epidemiologists who are advising our elected leaders really are flying by the seat of their pants.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 06:28:02 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 06:28:02 PM
Wait!! .. Hold The Phone!! ... cases / million is a "ratio"Quote from: "cc"
US - 4,668 cases for every Million people & 277 / m deaths
Canada has 2.069 cases for every Million people & 155 / m deaths
Your numbers are right - butinterpretationis out 180 degrees
Canada has a case rate of somewhat less than 1/2 per of any number of people one chooses .. same for death rateI'm not bragging about it - I'd like to see a lot better (like 0 / Million people)
- BUT We are doing better than twice as good a job of prevention as the US
no...
you need to check Canada and the USA here.... USA is first... Canada is 14 th and frankly a disgrace imo. Check the rate of per million Pop. It's the 9th column along.
VVVV
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 06:29:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 06:29:54 PM
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 06:35:51 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 06:35:51 PM
When I had COVID-19, the attending tele-doctor compared lock downs to applying direct pressure on a deep cut. It temporarily slows the bleeding, but it doesn't fix the wound.Quote from: "seoulbro"
Lock downs are not immunity and are only meant to buy time. Nobody expects any country or jurisdiction to continue with lock downs much longer. Besides the damage to economies and health care systems, there is not much point. They only delay the inevitable second wave that we know is coming in the fall and winter. Even countries that appear to have low rates of infection now could see that change quickly as what happened with Singapore.
Epidemiologists are not sure themselves what to do. They know this pandemic cannot be contained indefinitely. Growing global contagion is inevitable. Sweden could become the model for the world and for future pandemics. We don't yet. After the second wave hits the Northern hemisphere in late fall, we will have a better idea.
Australia was at stage 3 and now is at stage two...
NZ was stage 4 and now they are at stage 3 heading towards stage 2
A few of our states have closed borders and they are doing the best... the worst states are Victoria and New South Wales... and still there is only 99 mostly imported deaths. Everyone getting to the critical stage has first class medical care so our survival rates have been good.
Elective surgery continued a couple of weeks back where we live.
Canada should have gone hard as soon as they heard the "pandemic" was imminent. The delay cost both you and the USA. ... And the UK too.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 06:51:02 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 06:51:02 PM
well.... looking at the ages of these ppl, it isn't even a mild threat till 50 and up.... old folks are cool and all but is it worth destroying your economy and crashing your way of life.... i mean really....Quote from: "deadskinmask"
Since when has a western economy crashed that hasn't recovered?
So instead of taking 2 years to recover it takes 3 or 4 years... big deal...
If you listen to economists you'll go mad.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 06:57:50 PM
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 06:57:50 PM
well.... looking at the ages of these ppl, it isn't even a mild threat till 50 and up.... old folks are cool and all but is it worth destroying your economy and crashing your way of life.... i mean really....Quote from: "deadskinmask"
:001_rolleyes:
Since when has a western economy crashed that hasn't recovered?
So instead of taking 2 years to recover it takes 3 or 4 years... big deal...
If you listen to economists you'll go mad.
since when has
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: cc on May 18, 2020, 07:05:10 PM
Post by: cc on May 18, 2020, 07:05:10 PM
you need to check Canada and the USA here.... USA is first... Canada is 14 th and frankly a disgrace imo. Check the rate of per million Pop. It's the 9th column along.Quote
VVVVhttps://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
YUP!! 4,681 case for each million yanks & only 2,069 for each million of us (we gained even more on them overnight)
We are still doin better than them by a factor of well over 2X (or put the other way,
I'm not sure how you are interpreting the numbers ... You have me a tad confused about that ... but I've been recording the numbers for 2 months now .. using that same site for countries and other sites for provinces and states.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 07:10:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 07:10:21 PM
well.... looking at the ages of these ppl, it isn't even a mild threat till 50 and up.... old folks are cool and all but is it worth destroying your economy and crashing your way of life.... i mean really....Quote from: "deadskinmask"
:001_rolleyes:
Since when has a western economy crashed that hasn't recovered?
So instead of taking 2 years to recover it takes 3 or 4 years... big deal...
If you listen to economists you'll go mad.
since when hasanybodyever quarantined healthyppl??? ever??? this isn't about 'health and safety'.... this is about destroying the constitution and making way for the new world order.... lab-grown 'meat' and 24 hour surveillance incoming....
I went along with the idea of quarantining healthy people because I was told it would overwhelm our hospitals..
No surprise for a virus where four out of five people only get mild symptoms, it never happened..
It is far less serious than cancer, but the coronavirus has been prioritized over cancer surgeries and treatments..
That is not only unscientific, it's unethical.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 07:13:12 PM
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 07:13:12 PM
That is not only unscientific, it's unethical.Quote from: "Fashionista"
i absolutely agree.... and good to see ya....
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 07:14:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 07:14:43 PM
That is not only unscientific, it's unethical.Quote from: "Fashionista"
i absolutely agree.... and good to see ya....
Good to see you too skinz..
How are you coping with the forced economic depression?
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 07:20:05 PM
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 07:20:05 PM
How are you coping with the forced economic depression?Quote from: "Fashionista"
i'm doing real good.... my boss closed up shop and gave me enough money to buy a brand new car.... i decided against the car and have been enjoying an early retirement instead....
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 07:21:13 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 07:21:13 PM
well.... looking at the ages of these ppl, it isn't even a mild threat till 50 and up.... old folks are cool and all but is it worth destroying your economy and crashing your way of life.... i mean really....Quote from: "deadskinmask"
:001_rolleyes:
Since when has a western economy crashed that hasn't recovered?
So instead of taking 2 years to recover it takes 3 or 4 years... big deal...
If you listen to economists you'll go mad.
since when hasanybodyever quarantined healthyppl??? ever??? this isn't about 'health and safety'.... this is about destroying the constitution and making way for the new world order.... lab-grown 'meat' and 24 hour surveillance incoming....
oh boy... another interwebz nutter!!!
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 07:23:56 PM
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 07:23:56 PM
oh boy... another interwebz nutter!!!Quote from: "caskur"
yeah.... my thoughts exactly, ya self-isolating 'new normal' twat....
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 07:28:51 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 07:28:51 PM
you need to check Canada and the USA here.... USA is first... Canada is 14 th and frankly a disgrace imo. Check the rate of per million Pop. It's the 9th column along.Quote
VVVVhttps://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
YUP!! 4,681 case for each million yanks & only 2,069 for each million of us (we gained even more on them overnight)
We are still doin better than them by a factor of well over 2X (or put the other way,we have less than 1/2 the number per person/ per 100 people, per 10000 people, per million people (or per any number selected)
I'm not sure how you are interpreting the numbers ... You have me a tad confused about that ... but I've been recording the numbers for 2 months now .. using that same site for countries and other sites for provinces and states.
What's confusing?
USA = now 278 dead per 1 million population (over 300 million people)
Canada = now 155 dead per 1 million population ( 38 million)
Canada is near 50% of USA's death total and you're only 1/9 ish of their population.
Canada is doing way worse than the USA...
Maybe Soulbro can put it a better way than I do.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 07:30:19 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 07:30:19 PM
oh boy... another interwebz nutter!!!Quote from: "caskur"
yeah.... my thoughts exactly, ya self-isolating 'new normal' twat....
At least we'll survive... you? Maybe not so much.
Your fellow citizens want you dead. they keep spreading the virus.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: cc on May 18, 2020, 07:33:02 PM
Post by: cc on May 18, 2020, 07:33:02 PM
Thank god my parents got me over here when young, of it could have happened to me
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 07:34:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 07:34:53 PM
Lock downs in developed countries are pointless when developing countries like India are pursuing herd immunity. We cannot remain islands with no immunity.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 07:35:29 PM
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 07:35:29 PM
At least we'll survive... you? Maybe not so much.Quote from: "caskur"
i've been out everyday.... eating
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 07:37:27 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 07:37:27 PM
At least we'll survive... you? Maybe not so much.Quote from: "caskur"
i've been out everyday.... eatinginsiderestaurants.... going to stores unmasked.... where as you have deprived your immune system, i've maintained mine.... good luck, little lady....
you're full of shit.
Don't you think I don't recognize that?
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 07:38:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 07:38:54 PM
At least we'll survive... you? Maybe not so much.Quote from: "caskur"
i've been out everyday.... eatinginsiderestaurants.... going to stores unmasked.... where as you have deprived your immune system, i've maintained mine.... good luck, little lady....
I am glad I got it and got it over with. If statistics are correct, people like me infected three other people. That is three more people that will realize a dry cough for a week is not more serious than coronary heart disease.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 07:39:05 PM
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 07:39:05 PM
Be gentle deader ... The poor Aussies have alreadyQuote from: "cc"fallen off the edge of the earth
see? i told ya it was fuckin flat....
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 07:39:58 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 07:39:58 PM
Indian Congress Party Leader said "Lockdown is in no way a solution to the Covid-19. Lockdown is like a pause button. When we come out of the lockdown, the virus is going to start its work again" he said. He is right.Quote from: "seoulbro"
Lock downs in developed countries are pointless when developing countries like India are pursuing herd immunity. We cannot remain islands with no immunity.
Well most of the Pacific Islands (Oceana) are free of the Virus.
India is a developed country. They have nuclear weapons.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 07:41:39 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 07:41:39 PM
At least we'll survive... you? Maybe not so much.Quote from: "caskur"
i've been out everyday.... eatinginsiderestaurants.... going to stores unmasked.... where as you have deprived your immune system, i've maintained mine.... good luck, little lady....
I am glad I got it and got it over with. If statistics are correct, people like me infected three other people. That is three more people that will realize a dry cough for a week is not more serious than coronary heart disease.
Haven't you read it causes strokes in young healthy people?
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 07:44:29 PM
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 07:44:29 PM
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 07:47:54 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 07:47:54 PM
i've read alot of things.... i've read that midochoridians in the bloodstream makes you a Jedi.... just because you read it doesn't mean its true....Quote from: "deadskinmask"
That's true but I actually heard the doctor who has alerted the world say it over the national news.
I like listening to the frontliners.
Who do you listen to?
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 07:50:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 07:50:54 PM
Indian Congress Party Leader said "Lockdown is in no way a solution to the Covid-19. Lockdown is like a pause button. When we come out of the lockdown, the virus is going to start its work again" he said. He is right.Quote from: "seoulbro"
Lock downs in developed countries are pointless when developing countries like India are pursuing herd immunity. We cannot remain islands with no immunity.
Well most of the Pacific Islands (Oceana) are free of the Virus.
India is a developed country. They have nuclear weapons.
India a developed country.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 07:53:58 PM
Post by: deadskinmask on May 18, 2020, 07:53:58 PM
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 07:57:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 07:57:06 PM
i've heard facci say masks were dangerous and shouldn't be worn by healthy ppl.... i read the same dr facci write that 'covid 19 is akin to a seasonal flu' in the new england journal of medicine.... truthfully, i don't listen toQuote from: "deadskinmask"anybodyand i go about with life....
Our public health chief has given contradictory advice too..
They really don't know..
Lock downs are a delay tactic, not a cure..
And as you said, quarantining healthy people makes no sense.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 08:02:30 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 08:02:30 PM
Indian Congress Party Leader said "Lockdown is in no way a solution to the Covid-19. Lockdown is like a pause button. When we come out of the lockdown, the virus is going to start its work again" he said. He is right.Quote from: "seoulbro"
Lock downs in developed countries are pointless when developing countries like India are pursuing herd immunity. We cannot remain islands with no immunity.
Well most of the Pacific Islands (Oceana) are free of the Virus.
India is a developed country. They have nuclear weapons.
India a developed country.:crazy:
Didn't I just tell you it has nuclear weapons?
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 08:06:36 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 08:06:36 PM
i've heard facci say masks were dangerous and shouldn't be worn by healthy ppl.... i read the same dr facci write that 'covid 19 is akin to a seasonal flu' in the new england journal of medicine.... truthfully, i don't listen toQuote from: "deadskinmask"anybodyand i go about with life....
I don't wear a mask.
No one has to here in Western Australia.
I've only seen one old bloke wear a mask at a shopping centre supermarket ONCE.
You better pay attention to social distancing and washing your hands frequently or you'll be a dead duck.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 08:41:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 08:41:20 PM
At least we'll survive... you? Maybe not so much.Quote from: "caskur"
i've been out everyday.... eatinginsiderestaurants.... going to stores unmasked.... where as you have deprived your immune system, i've maintained mine.... good luck, little lady....
I am glad I got it and got it over with. If statistics are correct, people like me infected three other people. That is three more people that will realize a dry cough for a week is not more serious than coronary heart disease.
Haven't you read it causes strokes in young healthy people?
Of the young people that caught the virus in the zone of Ontario that I did, not one required hospitalization. And I can find no cases of this from anywhere outside the big apple area.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 08:43:44 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 08:43:44 PM
At least we'll survive... you? Maybe not so much.Quote from: "caskur"
i've been out everyday.... eatinginsiderestaurants.... going to stores unmasked.... where as you have deprived your immune system, i've maintained mine.... good luck, little lady....
I am glad I got it and got it over with. If statistics are correct, people like me infected three other people. That is three more people that will realize a dry cough for a week is not more serious than coronary heart disease.
Haven't you read it causes strokes in young healthy people?
Of the young people that caught the virus in the zone of Ontario that I did, not one required hospitalization. And I can find no cases of this from anywhere outside the big apple area.
But this is what you don't get... it's not just about YOU or young ones. It is about the entire community.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 09:31:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 09:31:38 PM
At least we'll survive... you? Maybe not so much.Quote from: "caskur"
i've been out everyday.... eatinginsiderestaurants.... going to stores unmasked.... where as you have deprived your immune system, i've maintained mine.... good luck, little lady....
I am glad I got it and got it over with. If statistics are correct, people like me infected three other people. That is three more people that will realize a dry cough for a week is not more serious than coronary heart disease.
Haven't you read it causes strokes in young healthy people?
Of the young people that caught the virus in the zone of Ontario that I did, not one required hospitalization. And I can find no cases of this from anywhere outside the big apple area.
But this is what you don't get... it's not just about YOU or young ones. It is about the entire community.
Don't talk about community you selfish uneducated fat pig. You want people to die from cancelled surgeries and treatments so you won't get a cough for a week.
The coronavirus might do you some good. Besides becoming immune, it might suppress your appetite and you lose weight.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 09:36:15 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 09:36:15 PM
At least we'll survive... you? Maybe not so much.Quote from: "caskur"
i've been out everyday.... eatinginsiderestaurants.... going to stores unmasked.... where as you have deprived your immune system, i've maintained mine.... good luck, little lady....
I am glad I got it and got it over with. If statistics are correct, people like me infected three other people. That is three more people that will realize a dry cough for a week is not more serious than coronary heart disease.
Haven't you read it causes strokes in young healthy people?
Of the young people that caught the virus in the zone of Ontario that I did, not one required hospitalization. And I can find no cases of this from anywhere outside the big apple area.
But this is what you don't get... it's not just about YOU or young ones. It is about the entire community.
Don't talk about community you selfish uneducated fat pig. You want people to die from cancelled surgeries and treatments so you won't get a cough for a week.
The coronavirus might do you some good. Besides becoming immune, it might suppress your appetite and you might lose weight.
It is going to be funny after you kill all your medical people or they quit because they cannot protect themselves from their critical patients... then how are all your postponed patients going to get the surgeries they need?...
Stop talking bulldust... you people carry on like wet blankets.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: cc on May 18, 2020, 09:37:03 PM
Post by: cc on May 18, 2020, 09:37:03 PM
I've never seem you try to fuck up the main site before ... not "this" site
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 09:39:10 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 09:39:10 PM
why don't you run for government and see how far you get?
You'll be a little carp in a big pond.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 09:41:04 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 09:41:04 PM
That didn't take long .. Cumon Shen - WTF are you trying to prove today?Quote from: "cc"
I've never seem you try to fuck up the main site before ... not "this" site
I keep hitting nerves.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: cc on May 18, 2020, 09:43:25 PM
Post by: cc on May 18, 2020, 09:43:25 PM
K?
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 09:47:25 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 09:47:25 PM
S'OK, it's gone. There's nothing to fight back against now .. so let's all cool it down "on main board"Quote from: "cc"
K?
I'm going on a trip within the hour..
I'll post pictures tomorrow or next day.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 09:49:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 09:49:25 PM
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 09:56:23 PM
Post by: caskur on May 18, 2020, 09:56:23 PM
Anyway, doctors know lock downs are not a solution to this pandemic. They bought us a bit of time, and that is all. The virus is still around. It will probably be a bad fall in the Northern hemisphere with influenza and COVID hitting at the same time.Quote from: "seoulbro"
Dr say indeed here that the lockdown brought us time.
we're easing back into "normal' BUT if there is the slightest hint of an increase they're going to lockdown again and our borders are going to be locked for some time. And NO ONE wants to repeat this lockdown.
I'm going to use a restaurant today with any luck... Only 20 people are allowed in restaurants.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 09:58:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 09:58:12 PM
Anyway, doctors know lock downs are not a solution to this pandemic. They bought us a bit of time, and that is all. The virus is still around. It will probably be a bad fall in the Northern hemisphere with influenza and COVID hitting at the same time.Quote from: "seoulbro"
Our provincial public health officer said the same thing..
We've had 6700 cases of the virus in Alberta, but less than a thousand have yet to recover..
Each day, more people recover than catch the virus..
But, without a vaccine or immunity, we know it's coming back.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 11:17:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2020, 11:17:26 PM
I think the approach we are taking now as we open up, is probably a more proportional response to the pandemic. It seems Dr Ron Paul is of a similar opinion.
Across the U.S., millions of businesses have been shut down by "executive order" and the unemployment rate has skyrocketed to levels not seen since the Great Depression. Americans, who have seen their real wages decline thanks to Federal Reserve monetary malpractice, are finding themselves thrust into poverty and standing in breadlines.
It is like a horror movie, but it's real.
Last week, the UN Secretary General warned that a global recession resulting from the worldwide coronavirus lockdown could cause "hundreds of thousands of additional child deaths per year."
Many Americans have also died this past month because they were not able to get the medical care they needed. Cancer treatments have been indefinitely postponed. Life-saving surgeries have been put off to make room for coronavirus cases. Meanwhile, hospitals are laying off thousands because the expected coronavirus cases have not come and the hospitals are partially empty.
What if the "cure" is worse than the disease?
Kentucky, a strict lockdown state, is five times more populated than South Dakota, yet it has some 8 times more coronavirus deaths. If lockdown and house arrest are the answer, shouldn't those numbers be reversed, with South Dakota seeing mass death while Kentucky dodges the coronavirus bullet?
Countries like Sweden that did not lock down their economy and place the population under house arrest are faring no worse than countries that did. Sweden's deaths-per-million from coronavirus is lower than in many lockdown countries.
Imagine if we had used even a fraction of the resources spent to lock down the entire population and focused on providing assistance and protection to the most vulnerable – the elderly and those with serious medical conditions. We could have protected these people and still had an economy to go back to when the virus had run its course. And it wouldn't have cost us six trillion dollars either.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2020, 12:11:48 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2020, 12:11:48 AM
We know lockdowns are not a cure, they were meant to buy us time, which they did..
They are in causing horrendous collateral damage and hospitals are not overwhelmed..
I agree with Seoul's article, it would have made more sense scientifically to use our resources to protect the most vulnerable rather than quarantine the healthy.
Everywhere is the constant reiteration of the now disproven narrative that the lock up is saving lives.
Our politicians vie with one another to virtue signal their intent to prolong the misery and impoverishment of our people, and of future generations.
Our elderly are told they are being kept alive, but denied all of the simple pleasures which make life worth living-family, friends, society and their religious practices.
Meanwhile, the entire healthy population is under house arrest, policed by the state, but more worryingly by their neighbours in a social media shamefest.
Those who "follow the science" know that this foul disease is behaving as many such seasonal viral illnesses have done for millions of years.
They travel through communities, and wreak havoc on the elderly and infirm.
In Ireland, the median age of death is 84 years. 86% of those dying have other, often multiple medical problems, like cancer heart disease and strokes.
In most of the community, viral illnesses cause illness and misery to many, but most have a mild illness, recover completely and are conferred with immunity to further infection.
Each death is a personal loss for those left behind, but death is a necessary and inevitable part of the human condition. Many older people do not fear it.
The science also suggests that this virus was in Europe much earlier than previously thought-possibly in December and January, that the peak of deaths was on 8th April, which given an incubation period of 10-14 days, meant the lockup came too late to influence outcomes.
The evidence for this timeline is growing daily, but doesn't seem to have reached the politicians who are deciding the fate and future of our very civilization.
The dire predictions of tens, even hundreds of thousands of deaths in the UK alone were based on computer models which have been heavily criticized by independent statisticians and mathematicians.
The original aim of protecting the NHS, and flattening the curve has been achieved.
But now we see the narrative changing, with dread warnings of second waves and the new normal, indeed no return to an open society until there is a vaccine.
The rules around social distancing, plucked from the ether, without any evidence base are internalized by the population.
The media, which is essentially an arm of government, eagerly reinforces the narrative.
We should realise that the search for a vaccine for HIV/AIDS is now entering its fourth decade. Also safety trials for any vaccine historically take years, and rightly so, given the exposure of entire populations to potential harm.
It is clear, as I pointed out in a previous article for this paper about a month ago, that countries who have imposed lockdowns have outcomes comparable to those who took more moderate steps to protect their people.
Also, since around half of the fatalities occur in the care home sector, the total failure to protect these facilities with whatever resources were available has cost many lives.
It is also clear that the lockup policy is causing at least half of the excess mortality we are seeing, and that this proportion is likely to increase significantly as people are being denied treatment and diagnostics in the other areas.
Heart disease, strokes, cancer and mental health problems haven't gone away, but their recognition and treatment have.
I've been working in the NHS throughout this period.
On my one shift in the GP Covid assessment centre, I counted fifteen staff, including three doctors and many highly skilled nurses, who in a four-hour shift saw three patients, none of whom has Covid.
Hospitals are half empty, highly skilled staff idle.
There are no elective surgical lists, nor routine outpatient appointments, so people wait in pain for surgery or in anxiety and stress for tests to find out if they have serious illnesses such as cancer.
Meantime in the out-of-hours GP service, we see people in mental health crises, deal with people isolated and displaced, those suffering from a relapse of addictions under control for years, and an elderly population terrified and reluctant to seek help, because they have been repeatedly told that their NHS is in danger of being overwhelmed, and because they dread separation from loved ones.
The distress of those families with children with behavioural or learning difficulties, or additional physical needs is truly heartbreaking.
Discussion of the economic consequences of all of this are beyond my remit, but experts say there is not a linear, but exponential effect on the crash which is certainly coming as a result of the almost total cessation of economic activity.
In other words, a four-month lockup isn't twice as bad as a two month one, but many, many times worse.
Here in the developed world we are unlikely to starve, although there will be widespread austerity the likes of which we have not seen in generations.
But in the global south, where millions live on subsistence wages, the abrupt loss of economic activity and markets for produce will cause catastrophic starvation and cost the lives of millions.
Disease is a constant challenge to societies and governments.
But the unprecedented response to this one takes us to uncharted and very dangerous waters.
There is no evidence that the political decision makers have done any intelligent cost/benefit analysis, looking at the big picture of the physical, mental, social and economic outcomes for those whose lives they are entrusted to improve.
They are either inept beyond imagining, or willfully colluding in the destruction of society, especially for future generations.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2020, 12:28:12 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2020, 12:28:12 AM
Hospitals are half empty, highly skilled staff idle.Quote
That is the hospital in my city. It is has never seen fewer patients. People that should be going to hospitals for illnesses, some of them serious, are not. There are even reminders now that if you are ill or hurt yourself in an accident, go to emerg. Lock downs made the population sicker.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2020, 09:59:30 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2020, 09:59:30 AM
well.... looking at the ages of these ppl, it isn't even a mild threat till 50 and up.... old folks are cool and all but is it worth destroying your economy and crashing your way of life.... i mean really....Quote from: "deadskinmask"
:001_rolleyes:
Since when has a western economy crashed that hasn't recovered?
So instead of taking 2 years to recover it takes 3 or 4 years... big deal...
If you listen to economists you'll go mad.
since when hasanybodyever quarantined healthyppl??? ever??? this isn't about 'health and safety'.... this is about destroying the constitution and making way for the new world order.... lab-grown 'meat' and 24 hour surveillance incoming....
Lockdowns were based on panic, not hard based science. Italy was the first country that implemented a nation wide lockdown because they panicked. Like travel bans, they bought us some time. But, it is time to end them.
In my province, 94% of deaths are in senior's care facilities. If we had been smart, instead of quarantining the healthy and thereby destroying our way of life, we should have put our resources into protecting those facilities. The outcomes would be the same, but without the economic and health collateral damage.
A friend of mine had her joint replacement surgery indefinitely postponed. She is in agony.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Blazor on May 19, 2020, 10:42:27 AM
Post by: Blazor on May 19, 2020, 10:42:27 AM
Be gentle deader ... The poor Aussies have alreadyQuote from: "cc"fallen off the edge of the earth
see? i told ya it was fuckin flat....
Damn good to see ya man
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2020, 12:20:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2020, 12:20:46 PM
i've heard facci say masks were dangerous and shouldn't be worn by healthy ppl.... i read the same dr facci write that 'covid 19 is akin to a seasonal flu' in the new england journal of medicine.... truthfully, i don't listen toQuote from: "deadskinmask"anybodyand i go about with life....
Good to see you again buddy.
Fauci, like Theresa Tam here has been wrong more than he has been right. My wife and I go to our favourite patio cafe every chance we get. And we don't care if Fauci and Tam like it or not.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: deadskinmask on May 19, 2020, 04:31:54 PM
Post by: deadskinmask on May 19, 2020, 04:31:54 PM
Damn good to see ya manQuote from: "Blazor"
good to see you too.... i was in the neighborhood so i figured i'd post....
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: deadskinmask on May 19, 2020, 04:33:42 PM
Post by: deadskinmask on May 19, 2020, 04:33:42 PM
Good to see you again buddy.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
same here.... i need to come around more.... not sure why i don't....
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2020, 04:36:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2020, 04:36:39 PM
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2020, 05:15:40 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2020, 05:15:40 PM
well.... looking at the ages of these ppl, it isn't even a mild threat till 50 and up.... old folks are cool and all but is it worth destroying your economy and crashing your way of life.... i mean really....Quote from: "deadskinmask"
:001_rolleyes:
Since when has a western economy crashed that hasn't recovered?
So instead of taking 2 years to recover it takes 3 or 4 years... big deal...
If you listen to economists you'll go mad.
since when hasanybodyever quarantined healthyppl??? ever??? this isn't about 'health and safety'.... this is about destroying the constitution and making way for the new world order.... lab-grown 'meat' and 24 hour surveillance incoming....
Lockdowns were based on panic, not hard based science. Italy was the first country that implemented a nation wide lockdown because they panicked. Like travel bans, they bought us some time. But, it is time to end them.
In my province, 94% of deaths are in senior's care facilities. If we had been smart, instead of quarantining the healthy and thereby destroying our way of life, we should have put our resources into protecting those facilities. The outcomes would be the same, but without the economic and health collateral damage.
A friend of mine had her joint replacement surgery indefinitely postponed. She is in agony.
Now that we know who to protect and how, we can hit reset on this and escape further destruction.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Blazor on May 19, 2020, 07:03:40 PM
Post by: Blazor on May 19, 2020, 07:03:40 PM
Damn good to see ya manQuote from: "Blazor"
good to see you too.... i was in the neighborhood so i figured i'd post....
Mighty kind of ya. I'd pour ya a drink, but since you dont touch alcohol anymore, it'll have to be sweet tea
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2020, 01:24:23 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2020, 01:24:23 AM
Damn good to see ya manQuote from: "Blazor"
good to see you too.... i was in the neighborhood so i figured i'd post....
Mighty kind of ya. I'd pour ya a drink, but since you dont touch alcohol anymore, it'll have to be sweet tea:laugh:
They call it iced tea here.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Blazor on May 20, 2020, 12:44:34 PM
Post by: Blazor on May 20, 2020, 12:44:34 PM
Damn good to see ya manQuote from: "Blazor"
good to see you too.... i was in the neighborhood so i figured i'd post....
Mighty kind of ya. I'd pour ya a drink, but since you dont touch alcohol anymore, it'll have to be sweet tea:laugh:
They call it iced tea here.
You're not South enough like me and Deadskin lol. Here its sweet tea. Up there Im sure its just... tea
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2020, 12:49:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2020, 12:49:43 PM
Damn good to see ya manQuote from: "Blazor"
good to see you too.... i was in the neighborhood so i figured i'd post....
Mighty kind of ya. I'd pour ya a drink, but since you dont touch alcohol anymore, it'll have to be sweet tea:laugh:
They call it iced tea here.
You're not South enough like me and Deadskin lol. Here its sweet tea. Up there Im sure its just... tea:laugh:
We say iced tea too..
I like hot tea.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: deadskinmask on May 20, 2020, 01:25:33 PM
Post by: deadskinmask on May 20, 2020, 01:25:33 PM
Damn good to see ya manQuote from: "Blazor"
good to see you too.... i was in the neighborhood so i figured i'd post....
Mighty kind of ya. I'd pour ya a drink, but since you dont touch alcohol anymore, it'll have to be sweet tea:laugh:
They call it iced tea here.
You're not South enough like me and Deadskin lol. Here its sweet tea. Up there Im sure its just... tea:laugh:
partner, we're so south that we don't even say 'tea'.... we just say 'sweet'.... do you have sweet? yeah. i'll have a glass of sweet....
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Blazor on May 20, 2020, 01:31:58 PM
Post by: Blazor on May 20, 2020, 01:31:58 PM
Damn good to see ya manQuote from: "Blazor"
good to see you too.... i was in the neighborhood so i figured i'd post....
Mighty kind of ya. I'd pour ya a drink, but since you dont touch alcohol anymore, it'll have to be sweet tea:laugh:
They call it iced tea here.
You're not South enough like me and Deadskin lol. Here its sweet tea. Up there Im sure its just... tea:laugh:
We say iced tea too..
I like hot tea.
Yup, you're not South enough
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Blazor on May 20, 2020, 01:32:30 PM
Post by: Blazor on May 20, 2020, 01:32:30 PM
Damn good to see ya manQuote from: "Blazor"
good to see you too.... i was in the neighborhood so i figured i'd post....
Mighty kind of ya. I'd pour ya a drink, but since you dont touch alcohol anymore, it'll have to be sweet tea:laugh:
They call it iced tea here.
You're not South enough like me and Deadskin lol. Here its sweet tea. Up there Im sure its just... tea:laugh:
partner, we're so south that we don't even say 'tea'.... we just say 'sweet'.... do you have sweet? yeah. i'll have a glass of sweet....
See, now thats South hahaha.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2020, 01:54:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2020, 01:54:34 PM
Damn good to see ya manQuote from: "Blazor"
good to see you too.... i was in the neighborhood so i figured i'd post....
Mighty kind of ya. I'd pour ya a drink, but since you dont touch alcohol anymore, it'll have to be sweet tea:laugh:
They call it iced tea here.
You're not South enough like me and Deadskin lol. Here its sweet tea. Up there Im sure its just... tea:laugh:
We say iced tea too..
I like hot tea.
Yup, you're not South enough:laugh:
I'm so North, I make New Englanders look like Alabamans.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Blazor on May 20, 2020, 02:00:38 PM
Post by: Blazor on May 20, 2020, 02:00:38 PM
Damn good to see ya manQuote from: "Blazor"
good to see you too.... i was in the neighborhood so i figured i'd post....
Mighty kind of ya. I'd pour ya a drink, but since you dont touch alcohol anymore, it'll have to be sweet tea:laugh:
They call it iced tea here.
You're not South enough like me and Deadskin lol. Here its sweet tea. Up there Im sure its just... tea:laugh:
We say iced tea too..
I like hot tea.
Yup, you're not South enough:laugh:
I'm so North, I make New Englanders look like Alabamans.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: deadskinmask on May 20, 2020, 02:01:48 PM
Post by: deadskinmask on May 20, 2020, 02:01:48 PM
I make New Englanders look like Alabamans.Quote from: Fashionista post_id=362995 time=1589997274 user_id=3254
what do you do? knock out some of their teeth and dress em in overalls? barbaric....
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2020, 04:47:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2020, 04:47:12 PM
Damn good to see ya manQuote from: "Blazor"
good to see you too.... i was in the neighborhood so i figured i'd post....
Mighty kind of ya. I'd pour ya a drink, but since you dont touch alcohol anymore, it'll have to be sweet tea:laugh:
They call it iced tea here.
What we call iced tea is like a cross between cold tea with sugar and lemonade.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: deadskinmask on May 20, 2020, 04:57:35 PM
Post by: deadskinmask on May 20, 2020, 04:57:35 PM
Damn good to see ya manQuote from: "Blazor"
good to see you too.... i was in the neighborhood so i figured i'd post....
Mighty kind of ya. I'd pour ya a drink, but since you dont touch alcohol anymore, it'll have to be sweet tea:laugh:
They call it iced tea here.
What we call iced tea is like a cross between cold tea with sugar and lemonade.
i think thats called an arnold palmer here.... half tea. half lemonade....
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2020, 04:59:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2020, 04:59:54 PM
Damn good to see ya manQuote from: "Blazor"
good to see you too.... i was in the neighborhood so i figured i'd post....
Mighty kind of ya. I'd pour ya a drink, but since you dont touch alcohol anymore, it'll have to be sweet tea:laugh:
They call it iced tea here.
What we call iced tea is like a cross between cold tea with sugar and lemonade.
i think thats called an arnold palmer here.... half tea. half lemonade....
Sort of. Iced tea here uses lemons or lemon flavour instead of lemonade.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: deadskinmask on May 20, 2020, 05:11:00 PM
Post by: deadskinmask on May 20, 2020, 05:11:00 PM
Sort of. Iced tea here uses lemons or lemon flavour instead of lemonade.Quote from: seoulbro post_id=363024 time=1590008394 user_id=114
i have a friend that adds a scoop of powdered lemonade to his glass of tea.... personally, i think it would choke a goat.... but he seems to like it....
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2020, 05:19:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2020, 05:19:44 PM
Sort of. Iced tea here uses lemons or lemon flavour instead of lemonade.Quote from: seoulbro post_id=363024 time=1590008394 user_id=114
i have a friend that adds a scoop of powdered lemonade to his glass of tea.... personally,i think it would choke a goat.... but he seems to like it....
So, do I.....too much sugar.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2020, 08:32:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2020, 08:32:04 PM
"When Georgia became one of the first states to reopen back in April many said it was too much too soon, predicting a new surge in coronavirus cases," said Diaz-Balart, introducing the segment. "Now, exactly four weeks later, Blayne Alexander reports on whether Georgia's gamble paid off."
"One month later, here's what Georgia looks like today," Alexander said, narrating a graph tracking Georgia's new coronavirus cases. "These are new cases before and after the state's reopening. Looking at a three-day average, there is no steady trend up or down. So far, no major spike in cases, as some predicted.
"These are new hospitalizations before and after," Alexander continued as the data in the graph on-screen shifted first to a breakdown of Georgia's new hospitalizations and then to new deaths. "Same with new deaths, though the number has fluctuated."
NBC medical contributor Dr. Vin Gupta called the signs "encouraging," noting that emergency rooms have not been "overwhelmed."
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Oak on May 28, 2020, 04:38:49 PM
Post by: Oak on May 28, 2020, 04:38:49 PM
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Gaon on May 28, 2020, 05:28:26 PM
Post by: Gaon on May 28, 2020, 05:28:26 PM
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2020, 06:18:22 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2020, 06:18:22 PM
Belgium
11,23 million people
9388 deaths related to COVID-19
Sweden
10,23 million people
4266 deaths related to COVID-19
And much like Canada, Sweden's COVID related deaths have disproportionately happened in elder care..
As of April 15, more than half the deaths in Belgium were in elder care facilities too..
Taiwan never had a lock down either, but it has one of the lowest rates of deaths from COVID in the developed world..
But, Taiwan has fewer people in elder care facilities.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2020, 11:14:55 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2020, 11:14:55 PM
The Chinese province of Taiwan and South Korea never had a full lock down. Neither place cancelled surgeries, deliberately a quarter of their population out of work and euthanized livestock.
I have maintained that quarantining healthy people is madness. Quarantines should be targeted at the vulnerable groups. I see the government of Alberta understands this now and will not return to locking down healthy people.
Premier Jason Kenney says Alberta has been among the world leaders in staunching the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic, but at a staggering financial cost the province cannot afford to repeat should there be a second wave.Quote
Kenney says the key to prevention will be ramped up testing, border screening and a focus on the protecting the highest risk group — seniors and those with underlying conditions.
"The most important strategy as we move forward is building a wall of defence around the most vulnerable," Kenney told the house Wednesday in a speech updating his government's response to the pandemic.
He noted the province has made changes to provide personal protective equipment and financial aid to care facilities, along with new rules that prevent staff from working in more than one continuing care centre.
He said Alberta has just over three deaths per 100,000 people, compared with 10 in Germany, 30 in the United States, 39 in Sweden, 40 in France, 54 in Italy, 55 in the United Kingdom, 57 in Spain, and 81 in Belgium.https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/jason-kenney-alberta-covid-19-cost-1.5588090
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2020, 11:47:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2020, 11:47:39 PM
Cherry picked data from Sweden. One week spike of deaths primarily in senior's facilities doesn't make a case for anything.
The Chinese province of Taiwan and South Korea never had a full lock down. Neither place cancelled surgeries, deliberately a quarter of their population out of work and euthanized livestock.
I have maintained that quarantining healthy people is madness. Quarantines should be targeted at the vulnerable groups. I see the government of Alberta understands this now and will not return to locking down healthy people.Premier Jason Kenney says Alberta has been among the world leaders in staunching the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic, but at a staggering financial cost the province cannot afford to repeat should there be a second wave.Quote
Kenney says the key to prevention will be ramped up testing, border screening and a focus on the protecting the highest risk group — seniors and those with underlying conditions.
"The most important strategy as we move forward is building a wall of defence around the most vulnerable," Kenney told the house Wednesday in a speech updating his government's response to the pandemic.
He noted the province has made changes to provide personal protective equipment and financial aid to care facilities, along with new rules that prevent staff from working in more than one continuing care centre.
He said Alberta has just over three deaths per 100,000 people, compared with 10 in Germany, 30 in the United States, 39 in Sweden, 40 in France, 54 in Italy, 55 in the United Kingdom, 57 in Spain, and 81 in Belgium.https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/jason-kenney-alberta-covid-19-cost-1.5588090
That is what we should have done instead of lock downs. But, even the epidemiologists didn't know what to do.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2020, 12:01:16 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2020, 12:01:16 AM
But, even the epidemiologists didn't know what to do.
Fauci and Therea Tam are still flying blind.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2020, 12:49:47 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2020, 12:49:47 AM
Cherry picked data from Sweden. One week spike of deaths primarily in senior's facilities doesn't make a case for anything.
The Chinese province of Taiwan and South Korea never had a full lock down. Neither place cancelled surgeries, deliberately a quarter of their population out of work and euthanized livestock.
I have maintained that quarantining healthy people is madness. Quarantines should be targeted at the vulnerable groups. I see the government of Alberta understands this now and will not return to locking down healthy people.Premier Jason Kenney says Alberta has been among the world leaders in staunching the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic, but at a staggering financial cost the province cannot afford to repeat should there be a second wave.Quote
Kenney says the key to prevention will be ramped up testing, border screening and a focus on the protecting the highest risk group — seniors and those with underlying conditions.
"The most important strategy as we move forward is building a wall of defence around the most vulnerable," Kenney told the house Wednesday in a speech updating his government's response to the pandemic.
He noted the province has made changes to provide personal protective equipment and financial aid to care facilities, along with new rules that prevent staff from working in more than one continuing care centre.
He said Alberta has just over three deaths per 100,000 people, compared with 10 in Germany, 30 in the United States, 39 in Sweden, 40 in France, 54 in Italy, 55 in the United Kingdom, 57 in Spain, and 81 in Belgium.https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/jason-kenney-alberta-covid-19-cost-1.5588090
That is what we should have done instead of lock downs. But, even the epidemiologists didn't know what to do.
Yes, I agree Herman..
Fewer people would have died and more people would be working.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2020, 03:29:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2020, 03:29:14 PM
Weighing the risk of infection against the risk to our economy and to Albertans' mental well- being, Kenney said, "We cannot continue indefinitely to impair the social and economic ... health of the broader population, for potentially a year for an influenza that does not generally threaten life, apart from the most elderly, the immunocompromised and those with co-morbidities."
In other words, most Albertans won't get seriously ill from the virus. And even those who do are unlikely to die unless they are over 80 and in long-term care.
"For most Albertans," Kenney explained, "the risk of death from other pathogens, accidents and traffic fatalities is actually higher than it is for COVID."
In one of those moments in which you know Kenney is correct, but you wish he were a little more gentle, the premier explained the average age of death in Alberta from COVID is 83, while the average life expectancy is 82.
The premier proposed, correctly, that in the future — for instance, if there is a second wave — rather than close down our economy we should instead "move forward by building a wall of defence around the most vulnerable, seniors in particular."
The rest of us should take precautions, like endless handwashing and social distancing, but otherwise pretty much carry on as normal.
Large events might have to be cancelled again in a future outbreak. Gyms and rec centres may have to be locked down and sporting events, concerts, fairs, festivals and rodeos postponed.
But given that "an influenza of this nature" is not especially deadly for those under 80 and not in institutions, we can't afford another shutdown.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2020, 04:53:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2020, 04:53:30 PM
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2020, 05:46:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 29, 2020, 05:46:05 PM
Targeted rather than total lock downs are as effective and without the same economic devastation.
Well duh. For most working age people this is a cold.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2020, 02:37:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 30, 2020, 02:37:25 PM
Targeted rather than total lock downs are as effective and without the same economic devastation.
Well duh. For most working age people this is a cold.
The Seoul brother bounced back.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 10:08:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2020, 10:08:20 PM
Targeted rather than total lock downs are as effective and without the same economic devastation.
Well duh. For most working age people this is a cold.
The Seoul brother bounced back.
Yes, he did and he said his symptoms were slightly worse than most people who catch the virus.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2020, 12:08:45 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2020, 12:08:45 AM
Targeted rather than total lock downs are as effective and without the same economic devastation.
Well duh. For most working age people this is a cold.
The Seoul brother bounced back.
Over 99.5 per cent of people his age do.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2020, 12:18:19 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2020, 12:18:19 AM
Targeted rather than total lock downs are as effective and without the same economic devastation.
Well duh. For most working age people this is a cold.
The Seoul brother bounced back.
Over 99.5 per cent of people his age do.
Seoul compared it to the flu.
Title: Re: There Already is A Cure For COVID-19 And It's Not Lock Downs
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2021, 10:17:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2021, 10:17:06 PM
