What are we doing about the pandemic? It's not exactly a trick question. But it's tricky because pace Yogi Berra, unless you know what you're trying to do, you will probably do something else.
At one point we knew. We were trying to contain then eradicate SARS-CoV-2 because we thought it was as deadly as it was contagious, including "flattening the curve" to protect the health system from its initial virulent onset. But it does not make sense to continue to act in this manner once we realize it is quite contagious but not as lethal as originally feared.
Would anyone really spend half the Gross National Product to wipe out the last vestige of shoplifting, or every minor skin rash?" Would we spend half of GDP to wipe out the last vestige of COVID-19? Perhaps, if we thought the alternative was to see one in 20 of us die, vital services collapse etc. We might also tolerate sidelining Parliament, mass unemployment, and the prime minister handing out half a billion dollars a day in unexamined spending while telling bureaucrats to ignore fraud despite a deficit likely to exceed $300 billion and push borrowing above total revenue.
When we thought this illness combined the contagiousness of the common cold with the consequences of the original 2002-04 SARS, such conduct made sense. Not any more. But we're having trouble shaking off the mindset.
Tuesday's Post had the usual "experts say" we're reopening too fast, without a detailed plan, without the "outbreak under control." And "to open up effectively, you need to know you can detect and squash any new cluster before they can explode."
You would if it was the Plague, Black, Justinian or otherwise. Maybe even the Spanish flu. But it's not. It's nowhere close.
Four out of five COVID-19 deaths have been linked to seniors' homes. Thus the most important thing this number tells us is COVID-19 poses little threat to people who are neither old nor sick. So little that when it first got into the hospitals, nobody noticed.
Our dangerous obsession with perfect safety has us still talking of building a wall, keeping it out, beating it in two years. What would it take to keep out flu? Beat the common cold in two years?
So what should we be trying to do about SARS-CoV-2? Not make sure nobody ever dies of it. Not flatten the curve to protect the health system. We already did, postponing many other needed procedures to brace for a tsunami that wasn't coming.
I'd like to know how "experts say" we're going to meet the next pandemic, natural or not, if we've destroyed the economy, public finances and our health in a foolish attempt to eradicate this one totally.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-robson-we-cant-eradicate-covid-and-wed-bankrupt-ourselves-trying
Would we spend half of GDP to wipe out the last vestige of COVID-19? Perhaps, if we thought the alternative was to see one in 20 of us die.
Lockdowns and shutting down businesses, schools, public works was imposed on us because they said our hospitals would be overwhelmed..
That never happened, so they moved the goal posts.
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Lockdowns and shutting down businesses, schools, public works was imposed on us because they said our hospitals would be overwhelmed..
That never happened, so they moved the goal posts.
Exactly. It is very contagious like a cold, but it is not even to as lethal as SARS was. But, we continue to inflict massive damage on our nations for something reserved for a plague, but is not a plague.
My boy and his girlfriend have a lot to say about all of this. It is pretty frickin extreme what we are doing. Like they were trying to contain a contagious form of cancer.
We have really lost our heads haven't we.
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My boy and his girlfriend have a lot to say about all of this. It is pretty frickin extreme what we are doing. Like they were trying to contain a contagious form of cancer.
It made sense at first, because we didn't know much about it.
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My boy and his girlfriend have a lot to say about all of this. It is pretty frickin extreme what we are doing. Like they were trying to contain a contagious form of cancer.
It made sense at first, because we didn't know much about it.
i knew
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My boy and his girlfriend have a lot to say about all of this. It is pretty frickin extreme what we are doing. Like they were trying to contain a contagious form of cancer.
It made sense at first, because we didn't know much about it.
i knew
It set a dangerous precedent.
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My boy and his girlfriend have a lot to say about all of this. It is pretty frickin extreme what we are doing. Like they were trying to contain a contagious form of cancer.
It made sense at first, because we didn't know much about it.
i knew
It set a dangerous precedent.
no doubt.... but its
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My boy and his girlfriend have a lot to say about all of this. It is pretty frickin extreme what we are doing. Like they were trying to contain a contagious form of cancer.
It made sense at first, because we didn't know much about it.
i knew
Can you post a link to Dr Fauci's article.
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an you post a link to Dr Fauci's article.
all my links are down and replaced with fear porn.... i'll look through my earlier posts elsewhere and find it.... the article is called Navigating The Uncharted....
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an you post a link to Dr Fauci's article.
all my links are down and replaced with fear porn.... i'll look through my earlier posts elsewhere and find it.... the article is called Navigating The Uncharted....
Thank you. I am Velvet by the way. ac_hithere
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an you post a link to Dr Fauci's article.
all my links are down and replaced with fear porn.... i'll look through my earlier posts elsewhere and find it.... the article is called Navigating The Uncharted....
Thank you. I am Velvet by the way. ac_hithere
you're welcome.... call me skinz.... its easier to type....
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What are we doing about the pandemic? It's not exactly a trick question. But it's tricky because pace Yogi Berra, unless you know what you're trying to do, you will probably do something else.
At one point we knew. We were trying to contain then eradicate SARS-CoV-2 because we thought it was as deadly as it was contagious, including "flattening the curve" to protect the health system from its initial virulent onset. But it does not make sense to continue to act in this manner once we realize it is quite contagious but not as lethal as originally feared.
Would anyone really spend half the Gross National Product to wipe out the last vestige of shoplifting, or every minor skin rash?" Would we spend half of GDP to wipe out the last vestige of COVID-19? Perhaps, if we thought the alternative was to see one in 20 of us die, vital services collapse etc. We might also tolerate sidelining Parliament, mass unemployment, and the prime minister handing out half a billion dollars a day in unexamined spending while telling bureaucrats to ignore fraud despite a deficit likely to exceed $300 billion and push borrowing above total revenue.
When we thought this illness combined the contagiousness of the common cold with the consequences of the original 2002-04 SARS, such conduct made sense. Not any more. But we're having trouble shaking off the mindset.
Tuesday's Post had the usual "experts say" we're reopening too fast, without a detailed plan, without the "outbreak under control." And "to open up effectively, you need to know you can detect and squash any new cluster before they can explode."
You would if it was the Plague, Black, Justinian or otherwise. Maybe even the Spanish flu. But it's not. It's nowhere close.
Four out of five COVID-19 deaths have been linked to seniors' homes. Thus the most important thing this number tells us is COVID-19 poses little threat to people who are neither old nor sick. So little that when it first got into the hospitals, nobody noticed.
Our dangerous obsession with perfect safety has us still talking of building a wall, keeping it out, beating it in two years. What would it take to keep out flu? Beat the common cold in two years?
So what should we be trying to do about SARS-CoV-2? Not make sure nobody ever dies of it. Not flatten the curve to protect the health system. We already did, postponing many other needed procedures to brace for a tsunami that wasn't coming.
I'd like to know how "experts say" we're going to meet the next pandemic, natural or not, if we've destroyed the economy, public finances and our health in a foolish attempt to eradicate this one totally.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-robson-we-cant-eradicate-covid-and-wed-bankrupt-ourselves-trying
Would we spend half of GDP to wipe out the last vestige of COVID-19? Perhaps, if we thought the alternative was to see one in 20 of us die.
Societal collapse as a response to the equivalent of a flu bug. This is the exact point when the West lost it's collective fucking mind.
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here ya go.... this was published in february....
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
i'd like to point out that bill gates has the
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here ya go.... this was published in february....
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
i'd like to point out that bill gates has the
He does.
ac_wot
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here ya go.... this was published in february....
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
i'd like to point out that bill gates has the
He does.
ac_wot
well.... yes and no.... its owned by the Pirbright Group.... they 'study' these types of disease..... he has given them 2 huge grants above board but he also holds fundraisers for them and such.... its pretty much conducts itself as a 'seperate company' but its just a branch of the Gates Foundation....
The new normal for Canadians because of the COVID-19 recession will be unprecedented levels of government spending and debt for decades to come, according to a new study by the Fraser Institute released Tuesday.
Whatever one thinks of the massive stimulus and support programs Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has been announcing for weeks to help Canadians cope with the severe economic impact of the global recession, in the end, it will all have to be paid for by taxpayers.
According to the Fraser report, Prime Ministers and Government Spending, Updated 2020 edition, estimated federal spending this year at $13,226 per Canadian, adjusted for inflation, will be 50.7% higher than in the last global recession in 2009, and 74.5% higher than at the peak of the Second World War.
Jason Clemens, executive vice-president of the Fraser Institute, said it's also a 42% hike over the previous record high of $9,306 per person Trudeau intended to spend this year, prior to the economic fallout from the COVID-19 pandemic, and 46% higher than the then-record $9,041 per person his government spent in 2019.
n a second Fraser Institute report, also released Tuesday, Deferring Federal Taxes: Illustrating the Deficit Using the GST, the fiscally-conservative think tank said Trudeau would have had to raise the GST to 9% from its current 5% to balance the federal government's books this year, even before the COVID-19 recession hit.
"Because of the federal government's lack of fiscal prudence recently, Ottawa's finances were much worse than they should have been going into this recession," Clemens said.
Giroux, an independent financial watchdog on government spending, predicts this year's federal deficit will be $252.1 billion.
That's based on $146 billion in additional spending by the Trudeau government because of COVID-19, an estimated 12% drop in Canada's Gross Domestic Product (GDP) because of the global recession caused by the pandemic, and the recent crash in oil prices.
Giroux said it's possible Canada's total debt, depending on the length and severity of the recession, could top $1 trillion this year, with a debt-to-GDP ratio of 48.4%.
A healthy debt-to-GDP ratio, which the Trudeau government has repeatedly promised but never delivered, is 27%.
So far, Trudeau hasn't given any indication, through a budget or economic statement, of how he plans to pay for the record deficits and debt his stimulus package created.
All we know is budgets don't balance themselves.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-trudeaus-covid-spending-means-decades-of-debt-report
Harper left Trudeau with a budget surplus and declining debt to GDP ratio. He quickly reversed that which put us in a bad situation during bad times and it doesn't get any worse than a global pandemic.
Canadians approve of Trudeau handing out money like it grows on trees. But, in the future when taxes skyrocket and services are slashed to pay the interest on the debt I hope they remember how they got to that point.
all of this 'free money' being handed out pointless anyway.... the economy isn't gonna recover ever.... by the
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all of this 'free money' being handed out pointless anyway.... the economy isn't gonna recover ever.... by the
I am not that pessimistic. But through panic, we have dug ourselves into a hole that will take more than a decade to fully recover from.
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all of this 'free money' being handed out pointless anyway.... the economy isn't gonna recover ever.... by the
I am not that pessimistic. But through panic, we have dug ourselves into a hole that will take decades to recover from.
i guess i don't consider myself 'pessimistic' because i have Jesus.... i suppose if i believed
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all of this 'free money' being handed out pointless anyway.... the economy isn't gonna recover ever.... by the
I am not that pessimistic. But through panic, we have dug ourselves into a hole that will take decades to recover from.
i guess i don't consider myself 'pessimistic' because i have Jesus.... i suppose if i believed
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
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you may find this interesting.... the RFID chip that will be shot into your hand.... the patent number is - 060606....
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you may find this interesting.... the RFID chip that will be shot into your hand.... the patent number is - 060606....
I'm not a dispensationalist, but that is interesting.
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you may find this interesting.... the RFID chip that will be shot into your hand.... the patent number is - 060606....
I'm not a dispensationalist, but that is interesting.
They briefly talked of the RFID chip in that long video I posted for you that you never finished :laugh:
First they said it was good for tracking pets, and a lot of folks bought into that, then they said it would be good for the kids, and I dont think that took off as well as they would've liked. NOW, with this crap where they are talking tracking, its kinda scary. I will not comply. Im sure they would just track cell phones of those that didnt anyway lol.
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you may find this interesting.... the RFID chip that will be shot into your hand.... the patent number is - 060606....
I'm not a dispensationalist, but that is interesting.
i dunno what a dispensationalist is.... but i know this -
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all of this 'free money' being handed out pointless anyway.... the economy isn't gonna recover ever.... by the
They do not take cash in Saskatchewan or in very few places. We shut down the economy, threw millions out of work, cancelled surgeries and racked up record amounts of debt for something slightly worse than the flu. Now we know how the next hysteria will be handled.
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do you think 'the next wave' will be
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do you think 'the next wave' will be
What do you mean by worse skinz?
Do you mean the number of infections will be higher or the response to it will be more extreme, or both?
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do you think 'the next wave' will be
What do you mean by worse skinz?
Do you mean the number of infections will be higher or the response to it will be more extreme, or both?
longer and more mandatory lockdowns and
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do you think 'the next wave' will be
What do you mean by worse skinz?
Do you mean the number of infections will be higher or the response to it will be more extreme, or both?
longer and more mandatory lockdowns and
Even without a second wave there will be extreme food shortages this year.....I have a thread about it.
http://thebluecashew.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11879&sid=9ed0f7f2074e75c00ecaa255aae17b6c
A second wave of lock downs means hundreds of millions more people are malnourished or starve to death.
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do you think 'the next wave' will be
What do you mean by worse skinz?
Do you mean the number of infections will be higher or the response to it will be more extreme, or both?
Knowing Deader, he prolly means the response. Infections will climb again prolly in the Fall/Winter, thus triggering a stricter response. But its "all for your safety" Fash :laugh:
Crap, didnt notice he had posted. I had to pause my post while doing work lol.
He is right!
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do you think 'the next wave' will be
What do you mean by worse skinz?
Do you mean the number of infections will be higher or the response to it will be more extreme, or both?
Knowing Deader, he prolly means the response. Infections will climb again prolly in the Fall/Winter, thus triggering a stricter response. But its "all for your safety" Fash :laugh:
lol.... 'safety first'.... *folds constitution and puts in their pocket* 'we wont be needing
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do you think 'the next wave' will be
What do you mean by worse skinz?
Do you mean the number of infections will be higher or the response to it will be more extreme, or both?
Knowing Deader, he prolly means the response. Infections will climb again prolly in the Fall/Winter, thus triggering a stricter response. But its "all for your safety" Fash :laugh:
lol.... 'safety first'.... *folds constitution and puts in their pocket* 'we wont be needing
:laugh:
Pretty much! Its already happening.
You remember back when Bush said "Its just a goddamn piece of paper"? Shit has gone downhill since.
look at this.... this is what happens when rights are taken way....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJQJgKICvAs
that man was murdered in cold blood....
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look at this.... this is what happens when rights are taken way....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJQJgKICvAs
that man was murdered in cold blood....
I saw that yesterday. Very disturbing.